Jayhazard:

I don't have any, I'm not in for the "all smart" contest. But I have a question for you.
Y'all claim there can't be an evidence for an infinite God, but believe that the universe came into existence out of "nothing" . If this is true, then why can't it be same for God?

This is what I hate about christians.
Who told you atheists believe the universe came from nothing?

Ubenedictus:
no, but someone can point to a house and say someone built that and when asked for proof he may very well say the very fact it is built is proof that someone built it, houses dont build themselves, it is so true it is a truism.

Only because we have observed no other house builders. Nobody will claim it was ants that built it even though ants build anthills. Has any universe creating creature been observed?

LordReed:


More excuses. Stop the excuses and show the proof.

You, you are a proof that God exists. Your unbelief proves the existence of God and further proves the authenticity of the bible.

XxSabrinaxX:
This is what I hate about christians. Who told you atheists believe the universe came from nothing?

What's your belief on how the universe came about?

Originakalokalo:


Somehow, interacting with these special set of people has its effects.

Christians, after interacting with atheists, forget that the only visible evidence of God is the creation.

The sun, the moon and the stars are the evidence of the creator, who is the almighty God.

The universe itself is his work...

The sea, animals and humans are his works.

These are enough evidence for them to believe.

Miracles are also other evidence.


Christians, whenever they ask for evidence, do not forget to show them the creation ...

Not believing it doesn't stop it as being your evidence.


Our national anthem says.... Oh God of Creation... Direct our noble cause.

Henceforth, if any atheist ask me for evidence, I will show you mountains, oceans, planets, etc.

You owe me $10000000. My proof is the fact I said so therefore it is true.

Jayhazard:

You, you are a proof that God exists. Your unbelief proves the existence of God and further proves the authenticity of the bible.

You also owe me $1000000. Your denial is proof that my claim is true.

LordReed:


Only because we have observed no other house builders. Nobody will claim it was ants that built it even though ants build anthills. Has any universe creating creature been observed?

Just because you haven't seen something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Doesn't the claim that God is a person (with a personality) explain very much why the kind of evidence you seek hasn't been shown to you? Just as you can't force me to do what you want me to do, so it is with God.

Jayhazard:

What's your belief on how the universe came about?

My belief is: WE DON'T KNOW!! NO ONE DOES!!
We don't have a 100% confirmation of how the universe came to be. All we have is theories.
We have the scientists' theory (the big bang). And of course we have the religionists' theories (creationism: the creation of the earth by a deity)
When we have these theories to consider for the universe's origin, it is only sensible to look at the theory which has more evidence, is more logical and makes fewer assumptions. This is where The Big Bang edges creationism.
So while I don't believe 100% in The Big Bang, it is a more logical option than creationism because it has more evidence and makes lesser assumptions. The truth is there may be other possibilities to the universe's origin. But no one knows 100%. This is just my opinion. It is silly to not only attribute the origin of the universe to a "god", but also make up stories, rules, dimensions, and assign multiple attribute to this god to support its existence. Go research on deism. I find that even more logical than theism (christianity, islam).

Jayhazard:

Just because you haven't seen something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Doesn't the claim that God is a person (with a personality) explain very much why the kind of evidence you seek hasn't been shown to you? Just as you can't force me to do what you want me to do, so it is with God.

No it doesn't. Unless your claim is the god no longer interacts with this world then we should be able to observe when the god does interact with the world.

XxSabrinaxX:

My belief is: WE DON'T KNOW!! NO ONE DOES!!
We don't have a 100% confirmation of how the universe came to be. All we have is theories.
We have the scientists' theory (the big bang). And of course we have the religionists' theories (creationism: the creation of the earth by a deity)
When we have these theories to consider for the universe's origin, it is only sensible to look at the theory which has more evidence, is more logical and makes fewer assumptions. This is where The Big Bang edges creationism.
So while I don't believe 100% in The Big Bang, it is a more logical option than creationism because it has more evidence and makes lesser assumptions. The truth is there may be other possibilities to the universe's origin. But no one knows 100%. This is just my opinion. It is silly to not only attribute the origin of the universe to a "god", but also make up stories, rules, dimensions, and assign multiple attribute to this god to support its existence. Go research on deism. I find that even more logical than theism (christianity, islam).

If the earth wasn't created by a deity with a personality, how can you explain the existence of the intelligence of man? How did WE come about? Why is there a sense of orderliness with the way things occur?
These phenomena seem to be like a product of intelligence. Even if there was a complete understanding of how the universe was formed, would it be logical to ask the question "how did what led to the universe's formation come about?"

LordReed:


No it doesn't. Unless your claim is the god no longer interacts with this world then we should be able to observe when the god does interact with the world.

Suppose you had an infinite mind and were omnipotent, and also had the ability to control all things, and existed outside time, you'd know what to do, when to do it and how to do it. No finite man would be able to question you, why? Because you "know" all things. You plan would never be altered because they don't see what you see.
That's what it is. You can never talk God out of doing what he wants to do or otherwise, because you don't see what he sees and how He sees it. So no matter how much you try to rebel, it doesn't take away your freewill, but what is predetermined must be achieved.

Jayhazard:

Suppose you had an infinite mind and were omnipotent, and also had the ability to control all things, and existed outside time, you'd know what to do, when to do it and how to do it. No finite man would be able to question you, why? Because you "know" all things. You plan would never be altered because they don't see what you see.
That's what it is. You can never talk God out of doing what he wants to do or otherwise, because you don't see what he sees and how He sees it. So no matter how much you try to rebel, it doesn't take away your freewill, but what is predetermined must be achieved.

LoL! Even your own fairytale book talks several times about how the god changed its mind so I am not sure you know what you are saying.

Besides all what you said has nothing to do with providing proof. Stop dribbling upanddan and provide proof of your god.

Shelumiel:
Atheist are the most confuse sort in this world ...wahalahi

U are being dishonest... You believe in an Almighty creator who has the power to do anything, he controls our lives and has the power to put our soul into eternal fire... We have the boldness to give this ur so called fearful creator the middle finger and tell him to go Fuucck himself... Please give us the respect we deserve. U cannot even talk to a Nigerian soldier the way we talk to ur God... Abeg u suppose the de bow for us.

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frank317:


U are being dishonest... You believe in an Almighty creator who has the power to do anything, he controls our lives and has the power to put our soul into eternal fire... We have the boldness to give this ur so called fearful creator the middle finger and tell him to go Fuucck himself... Please give us the respect we deserve. U cannot even talk to a Nigerian soldier the way we talk to ur God... Abeg u suppose the de bow for us.

Why should I bow to fools who cannot discern between what is logical and what is not?

Originakalokalo:

God is a spirit.

God said. Draw closer to me and I will draw closer to you. ...When he draws closer to you, you get all the evidence you will need to sustain you till the very end.

.....and a whole lot more.

God is a spirit just like I lived the greater part of my teenage years believing that a certain night masquerade in my village was a spirit until I got initiated into the masquerade cult only to discover that the whole thing was a grand scam! A scam the elderly men used to defraud the uninitiated!

LordReed:


LoL! Even your own fairytale book talks several times about how the god changed its mind so I am not sure you know what you are saying.

Besides all what you said has nothing to do with providing proof. Stop dribbling upanddan and provide proof of your god.

How do you want the existence of God to be proven? By showing Him to you?
If this is the kind of evidence you want, after all the explanations rendered, believe me your intelligence is questionable.
And about God's immutability with respect to His mind, please read the following: https://www.gotquestions.org/God-change-mind.html

Jayhazard:

How do you want the existence of God to be proven? By showing Him to you?
If this is the kind of evidence you want, after all the explanations rendered, believe me your intelligence is questionable.
And about God's immutability with respect to His mind, please read the following: https://www.gotquestions.org/God-change-mind.html

Its yours that is questionable. Just say "I have no evidence for the god I believe" and stop trying to behave like Maradona.

frank317:


U are being dishonest... You believe in an Almighty creator who has the power to do anything, he controls our lives and has the power to put our soul into eternal fire... We have the boldness to give this ur so called fearful creator the middle finger and tell him to go Fuucck himself... Please give us the respect we deserve. U cannot even talk to a Nigerian soldier the way we talk to ur God... Abeg u suppose the de bow for us.

LoL our God is merciful. If He couldn't immediately destroy those who physically abused His son, and crucified Him, why would He then do that to people who have no idea what they're doing?
God is merciful, more reason why it's safe to believe in Him and obey His commands without questioning.

Jayhazard:

If the earth wasn't created by a deity with a personality, how can you explain the existence of the intelligence of man?

You might find this interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLBfJYnXFU4
From his website : *In The Gap, psychologist Thomas Suddendorf provides a definitive account of the mental qualities that separate humans from other animals, as well as how these differences arose. *

Jayhazard:
How did WE come about?

The truth is, nobody knows. Except science doesnt claim to know, religion does. This should tell you who is wrong right away. With that said, there are two theories. One is that we evolved from other primates, the other is that we were created in a garden with a talking snake. Man created out of a pile of dust, and women created from a rib (Christianity). Other religions make similar claims, like Islam which claims God made us out of a clot of blood etc). Which you chose to believe is up to you, but ALL of the evidence suggests it happened by the natural process of evolution over billions of years eventually led to the rise of primates and from that lineage, eventually modern humans evolved around 100,000–200,000 years ago. It all started with a cell dividing, lost in distant pre-history. But the fact remains that every new living creature begins as a single cell and grows from there. Its observable everywhere, even the beginnings of our entire universe. Simple beginnings give way to complex life and systems. Things like Gods would have to be extremely complex, so having that as the beginning point of simple life doesnt make much sense, as you would then have to ask “Who made God?” and get yourself into an infinite regression. Apart from the scientific problems connected with the big bang theory, it cannot be reconciled with what the Bible teaches concerning origins. What is presented in Genesis 1:1 has no relationship to the modern-day big bang theory. According to Scripture, the earth did not begin as an incandescent fireball but was created in the beginning with a surface covered with water. The earth did not come about as a result of some explosion. This leads us to another Bible passage that says God created the universe and then made light afterwards. So if the universe came about by the big bang then it means god didnt have much to do, and it didnt take 6 days to create the universe but a fraction of a second. So as you see science and religion are incompatible and do not mention the same things at all.

Jayhazard:
Why is there a sense of orderliness with the way things occur?

Brace yourself for this one. The answer may not help much, but it helps a little:

It starts with entropy, that is, the apparently iron-clad rule that says that the universe goes from order to disorder in a thermodynamic sort of way; from hotter to colder, from dense to less dense. Until the idea of Big Bang arrived on the scene, it seems that nobody was really thinking about entropy very clearly, because if they had, the old idea of an eternally extant cosmos would have pointed them directly towards a starting point of some sort.
That’s because if the universe were infinitely large and old, then an infinity ago it would have reached maximum entropy and there would have been nothing ordered in the universe; in fact, with infinity to deal with, there never would have been. No stars, no galaxies, no planets, no life, no ordered anything of any kind.
But with Big Bang, we had to consider it. Here’s a line of thought: if the universe is less ordered today, then it was more ordered yesterday, and more the day before that, and even more the day before that. So if you follow that inevitable line of logic, the further back in time you look, the more ordered the universe gets, until you reach the moments right after the Big Bang and realize that the universe had to arrive in the highest state of order, of thermodynamic equilibrium that it would ever be in. Which is to say that it had to be almost the same temperature, the same density everywhere at the beginning, and then gradually, as it expanded and cooled, we would find greater temperature and density variations until we get to the present day.
So then the question to be asked is the one that you asked - where did all the order come from? The first part of the answer is that almost perfect order arrived with the universe, possibly as a result of what they call the Inflationary Epoch when the universe expanded exponentially rapidly, spreading the heat and density evenly throughout a suddenly cosmos-sized cosmos.
So now we have almost perfect order, so the question is, how do we get from there to here? Simply put, we went from order to chaos, and from chaos to order. Scientist call it “clumping” - the universe, as it cooled, clumped into more chaos universally, but more order locally. That tiny variation in temperature and density allowed the universe to separate the cool spots from the hot spots. The cool spots got cooler, and matter clumped there more easily. Gravity kicked in and clumped the matter into gas clouds, and hence clumped into stars and galaxies. Stars produced most of the naturally occurring elements in star life and death, planets clumped out of the iron produced in stars and were clumped into solar systems by gravity around other stars.
Somehow, the elements clumped into life, and then into complex life. We don’t know how, though we have ideas, though without much evidence yet.
What caused all of this clumping to happen? The 4+1 fundamental forces of nature - gravity, strong and weak forces, electromagnetism, plus quantum mechanics - propelled everything into clumps and ultimately into ordered clumps. It was a 13.8B year process of clumping as entropy in the the universe combined with the laws of nature took almost zero entropy to a much higher level of entropy universally, but complex order locally. Order produced chaos, and is still doing so, but chaos produced clumps, with physics organized into ordered structure.
The final question then is, how finely tuned do the laws of physics have to be in order for this to have happened? The odds are 10 to the 10 to the 30th against an ordered universe, and 10 to the 10 to the 123rd against a universe with life. There is no way that the universe produced order, structure, life and ultimately complex life by random chance.

Jayhazard:
These phenomena seem to be like a product of intelligence. Even if there was a complete understanding of how the universe was formed, would it be logical to ask the question "how did what led to the universe's formation come about?"

Like I said before, nobody knows. If a God created the universe, maybe it was Buddha, or Allah. It could have been ANY god. It would be illogical to pin it to the christian God. Like I said, research on deism. Its a more logical view than Islam or Christianity.

Jman06:
God is a spirit just like I lived the greater part of my teenage years believing that a certain night masquerade in my village was a spirit until I got initiated into the masquerade cult only to discover that the whole thing was a grand scam! A scam the elderly men used to defraud the uninitiated!

OK.

Jman06:
God is a spirit just like I lived the greater part of my teenage years believing that a certain night masquerade in my village was a spirit until I got initiated into the masquerade cult only to discover that the whole thing was a grand scam! A scam the elderly men used to defraud the uninitiated!

What does this initiation entails? I asked because initially are generally done with or through transference of spirit or the through spirits. so if yours led to a scam was the initiation itself void of spirits or the spiritual.

XxSabrinaxX:

My belief is: WE DON'T KNOW!! NO ONE DOES!!
We don't have a 100% confirmation of how the universe came to be. All we have is theories.
We have the scientists' theory (the big bang). And of course we have the religionists' theories (creationism: the creation of the earth by a deity)
When we have these theories to consider for the universe's origin, it is only sensible to look at the theory which has more evidence, is more logical and makes fewer assumptions. This is where The Big Bang edges creationism.
So while I don't believe 100% in The Big Bang, it is a more logical option than creationism because it has more evidence and makes lesser assumptions. The truth is there may be other possibilities to the universe's origin. But no one knows 100%. This is just my opinion. It is silly to not only attribute the origin of the universe to a "god", but also make up stories, rules, dimensions, and assign multiple attribute to this god to support its existence. Go research on deism. I find that even more logical than theism (christianity, islam).

The Universe is a Form of Existence.
Anything preceded by 'the' as a word,which is existentially possible,can only be actualized as a Form of Existence.
There is no "Everything".
And there is no superstar- even in the 9th Dimension- that is capable of creating everything.

CodeTemplar:
What does this initiation entails? I asked because initially are generally done with or through transference of spirit or the through spirits. so if yours led to a scam was the initiation itself void of spirits or the spiritual.

There's no spirit whatsoever in the whole thing. Just a sham the initiates used to con the uninitiated. But honestly, anyone who hasn't gone in would think there's a spirit behind it.

Although it has some advantage in the sense that it is used to keep the men in check and maintain sanity in the village.

Jman06:
There's no spirit whatsoever in the whole thing. Just a sham the initiates used to con the uninitiated. But honestly, anyone who hasn't gone in would think there's a spirit behind it.

Although it has some advantage in the sense that it is used to keep the men in check and maintain sanity in the village.

It was a sham to you because spirit are silent and invisible. That's were you got confused.

CodeTemplar:
It was a sham to you because spirit are silent and invisible. That's were you got confused.

There's no spirit whatsoever in the thing. Just some coded scam!

Shelumiel:
Why should I bow to fools who cannot discern between what is logical and what is not?

I think the fool here is ur God

I am greater than ur God, u should bow to me

Jayhazard:

LoL our God is merciful. If He couldn't immediately destroy those who physically abused His son, and crucified Him, why would He then do that to people who have no idea what they're doing?
God is merciful, more reason why it's safe to believe in Him and obey His commands without questioning.

Good for him

frank317:


I think the fool here is ur God

I am greater than ur God, u should bow to me

...another online atheist . How market?

frank317:


I think the fool here is ur God

I am greater than ur God, u should bow to me

You don't know your enemy....This has cost people their lives.

Goliath thought David was his enemy....

He was wrong.... God was. He made God his enemy when he asked... "who is God that is able to deliver you from my hand"

You fight against the Almighty....

You won't survive it. It is an assurance with all certainty.

Anyone.....I repeat.... .anyone who asks Jesus for mercy and plead guilty BEFORE DEATH will be saved.

Either on the sick bed, or wherever.

The thieves on the cross with Jesus comes to mind.


The big question is this.... How are you sure you will have that opportunity?

People have died in a matter of seconds.. In the twinkling of an eye.

You blaspheme God, mislead people with your comments, do wickedness, and all atrocities because

You are waiting for the opportunity of the sick bed?

You need to think again. That devil you are working for is working against you at your back.

He is always accusing you before God and looking for every opportunity to CUT YOU SHORT SUDDENLY.

He knows about last minute repentance and people have died suddenly in accident and in their sleep.

At all, the poster of that comment that made you Change your mind that there is no God,

May have the opportunity at his dying moment to ask God for forgiveness and beg for mercy....

and when the opportunity comes, he begs. You won't be there to see that happen.

He gets saved, you get condemned.

The matter of the soul is a personal thing.. Don't look at people's conclusion to believe. Search for the truth yourself.

I won't be surprised if I see the likes of Frosbel and Lordred in heaven... somehow, there is still a covering of mercy know them both...

....and if originakalokalo decides to stray because of their comments,

You just find him in hell.

More like the first being the last and the last being the first.

Originakalokalo:


Anyone.....I repeat.... .anyone who asks Jesus for mercy and plead guilty BEFORE DEATH will be saved.

Either on the sick bed, or wherever.

The thieves on the cross with Jesus comes to mind.


The big question is this.... How are you sure you will have that opportunity?

People have died in a matter of seconds.. In the twinkling of an eye.

You blaspheme God, mislead people with your comments, do wickedness, and all atrocities because

You are waiting for the opportunity of the sick bed?

You need to think again. That devil you are working for is working against you at your back.

He is always accusing you before God and looking for every opportunity to CUT YOU SHORT SUDDENLY.

He knows about last minute repentance and people have died suddenly in accident and in their sleep.

At all, the poster of that comment that made you Change your mind that there is no God,

May have the opportunity at his dying moment to ask God for forgiveness and beg for mercy....

and when the opportunity comes, he begs. You won't be there to see that happen.

He gets saved, you get condemned.

The matter of the soul is a personal thing.. Don't look at people's conclusion to believe. Search for the truth yourself.

I won't be surprised if I see the likes of Frosbel and Lordred in heaven... somehow, there is still a covering of mercy know them both...

....and if originakalokalo decides to stray because of their comments,

You just find him in hell.

More like the first being the last and the last being the first.

LMAO! I will be in the grave, dead and gone. With only my children and probably those who I did something good for to keep the memory of me alive. I am not going to fake a belief in god just for a kalokalo chance lol. I don't even see the need for a belief, the god either exists or it doesn't.