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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 1:26am On Feb 03, 2019
OLAADEGBU:


"Birth and creation are not equivalent terms.... Other Bible scholars have demonstrated that the word "born" does not mean to be created..."
Olaadegbu lying Pharisee deceiving himself.

"Before the mountains were born or you (Jehovah) brought forth the earth and the world....." Ps90:2

How did Jehovah BORN the mountains?
"Synonyms For Create"
*Conceive...
*Generate
*Beget (Begotten)
* Give birth to
*etc
https://www.thesaurus.com


"What is another word for birth?"
*Nativity
* CREATION
*Producing etc
*NOUN Synonyms
*Beginning
*Genesis
*Formation etc
.https://www.wordhippo.com

*Born Synonyms
* Birth
*Nativity
* Begot
*Begotten
https://www.powerthesaurus.org

OLAADEGBU lying Pharisee & his lying Pharisee Bible scholars,
Get out ta here with your satanic doctrine .

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 7:34am On Feb 03, 2019
Janosky:

"Birth and creation are not equivalent terms... "
Olaadegbu lying Pharisee deceiving himself.

"Before the mountains were born or you (Jehovah) brought forth the earth and the world....." Ps90:2

How did Jehovah BORN the mountains?
"Synonyms For Create"
*Conceive...
*Generate
*Beget (Begotten)
* Give birth to
*etc
https://www.thesaurus.com


"What is another word for birth?"
*Nativity
* CREATION
*Producing etc
*NOUN Synonyms
*Beginning
*Genesis
*Formation etc
.https://www.wordhippo.com

*Born Synonyms
* Birth
*Nativity
* Begot
*Begotten
https://www.powerthesaurus.org

Get out ta here with your satanic doctrine
They're all confused,it's only Olaadegbu that is proud to mention Kumuyi's Church as his place of worship while johnyjohny,Hairy,brocab,achorladey and the rest are lost calling themselves Nonedenominational! embarassed embarassed embarassed
All of them don't have ANYTHING against the TRUTH than dogmatically been heady about Catholic's TRINITY,yet they are all against Catholic church as that one stands gidigba with it's original Gods of images! cheesy cheesy cheesy
But why are they sticking to the teachings of Catholics when they're against Catholic herself?
Well don't think they are naive,the answer is simple, They don't want Jehovah's organisation {TRUTH} wink wink wink

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 7:46am On Feb 03, 2019
The last time i told Albagdadi frankly that OLAADEGBU will never accept anybody that's not a deeper as his christian brother,instead of trying to verify what i said, he became enraged and disappeared from the thread! cheesy cheesy cheesy
I now understand why Pharisees,Sadducees and other Jewish Rabbis {despite having contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines} were all pointing accusing fingers at Jesus and His followers,claiming they must be scrapped for no other reason than having yet another doctrine! Act 23:1-9 embarassed embarassed embarassed

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 11:01pm On Feb 03, 2019
Yes you have said that right 'we don't want to be part of the Jehovah witnesses, and there's good reason why we shouldn't follow their false doctrines of Hell..
It's always the same with you people when you know you haven't got an argument to argue against us with, you blame other resources to fill in your mental state of minds.
We are bible believing Christians-where you are not a bible believing Christian-you don't understand the Trinity word-because you don't have the Spirit of the Lord in you to understand it's meaning!
TATIME:
They're all confused,it's only Olaadegbu that is proud to mention Kumuyi's Church as his place of worship while johnyjohny,Hairy,brocab,achorladey and the rest are lost calling themselves Nonedenominational! embarassed embarassed embarassed
All of them don't have ANYTHING against the TRUTH than dogmatically been heady about Catholic's TRINITY,yet they are all against Catholic church as that one stands gidigba with it's original Gods of images! cheesy cheesy cheesy
But why are they sticking to the teachings of Catholics when they're against Catholic herself?
Well don't think they are naive,the answer is simple, They don't want Jehovah's organisation {TRUTH} wink wink wink

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 11:31pm On Feb 03, 2019
JW's don't believe in the bible-well enough to know the scriptures, a JW's understanding is sort sighted, they can't see into the distance--the light in Heaven is out of reach for disbelievers-Hell is the blind leading the blind that chooses to be in darkness until now, the JW's believe heaven only exist for the 144000, they believe while they rest in their graves in Hell, they lay in wait-waiting for the Lord to make the New Heavens and the New Earth.. ..
What does this got to do with anything-nothing-The point I am making here 'what does anything the JW's have to say-have anything to do with the bible in the first place'' it doesn't matter how simple the Word of God is, and how well we explain the Word of God-it's the fools such as the JW's are not interested..{Lord forgive the JW's they don't know the things they have been taught-lost soul's ready to be condemn in Hell}
It doesn't matter because the world know's it's own-and the scriptures-tells us that--so it wouldn't matter what we say-how many times we explain the truth-without having the Spirit of God-the JW's will never understand it, the devil always finds away to come up against God-and God's chosen-these people are fools 'it's pointless trying to talk to somebody who refuses to obey the commandments of God..
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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 12:14am On Feb 04, 2019
Question: "Will we remember our earthly lives when we are in Heaven?"
Answer: {Isaiah 65:17} says, “For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
Some interpret {Isaiah 65:17} as saying that we will have no memory of our earthly lives in heaven. However, one verse earlier in {Isaiah 65:16} the Bible says, “For the past troubles will be forgotten and hidden from my eyes.”
It is likely only our “past troubles” will be forgotten, not all of our memories. Our memories will eventually be cleansed, redeemed, healed, and restored, not erased.
There is no reason why we could not possess many memories from our earthly lives. The memories that will be cleansed are the ones that involve sin, pain, and sadness. {Revelation 21:4} declares, “He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
The fact that the former things will not come to mind does not mean that our memories will be wiped clean. The prophecy could be suggesting the wondrous quality of our new environment. The new earth will be so spectacular, so mind-blowing, that everyone will quite forget the drudgery and sin of the current earth.
A child who is scared of the shadows in his room at night completely forgets his nocturnal fear the next day on the playground. It’s not that the memories have been wiped out, only that, in the sunshine, they don’t come to mind.
Also, it’s important to make a distinction between the eternal state and the current heaven. When a believer dies, he or she goes to heaven, but that is not our final destination. The Bible speaks of “a new heaven and a new earth” as our eternal, permanent home.
Both passages quoted above {Isaiah 65:17 and Revelation 21:1} refer to the eternal state, not the current heaven. The promise of wiping away every tear does not come until after the tribulation, after the final judgment, and after the re-creation of the universe.
In his apocalyptic vision, John sees sorrow in heaven: “I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, ‘How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?’” {Revelation 6:9–10}
John is obviously in heaven {Revelation 4:1–2} and he sees and hears those who obviously remember the injustice done to them. Their loud calls for vengeance indicate that, in the current heaven, we will remember our lives on earth, including the bad things. The current heaven of {Revelation 6} is temporary, though, giving way to the eternal state in {Revelation 21}
The story of Lazarus and the rich man {Luke 16:19–31} is further proof that the dead remember their earthly lives. The rich man in hell asks Abraham to send Lazarus back to earth to warn the rich man’s brothers of the fate awaiting the unrighteous {verses 27–28}.
The rich man obviously remembers his relatives. He also remembers his own life of self-serving and sinful comfort {verse 25}.
The memories of the rich man in hell become part of his misery. The story does not mention whether or not Lazarus has memories, but Abraham has definite knowledge of goings-on earth {verse 25} It’s not until we reach the eternal state that the righteous will leave all sorrow behind.
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:40am On Feb 04, 2019
TATIME:
They're all confused,it's only Olaadegbu that is proud to mention Kumuyi's Church as his place of worship while johnyjohny,Hairy,brocab,achorladey and the rest are lost calling themselves Nonedenominational! embarassed embarassed embarassed
All of them don't have ANYTHING against the TRUTH than dogmatically been heady about Catholic's TRINITY,yet they are all against Catholic church as that one stands gidigba with it's original Gods of images! cheesy cheesy cheesy
But why are they sticking to the teachings of Catholics when they're against Catholic herself?
Well don't think they are naive,the answer is simple, They don't want Jehovah's organisation {TRUTH} wink wink wink

false jw tatime
your usual know nothing garbage, of course

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

keep trying to convince yourself tat that fales jw is the truth, laughing

everything about false jw is false, just a little of it here;
https://www.nairaland.com/2720878/jehovahs-witnesses-17-facts-people/239#75019765
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 12:41am On Feb 04, 2019
brocab:


-you don't understand the Trinity word-because you don't have the Spirit of the Lord in you to understand it's meaning! [/color]


Brocab lying Pharisee is deceiving himself.
"There is no way to perfectly and completely understand it.
Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand ,let alone explain"
https://gotquestions.org/Trinity-Bible.html

Your fellow Pharisees confessed that satanic doctrine/ concept of a triune god is "the most difficult thing" to "completely understand" ,
because you don't have the holy spirit at all !!
Your fellow lying Pharisee, Johnw
confessed same that it's hard for him to explain/ understand how the holy spirit is Godkind.

*Jesus said the helper, the holy spirit, will teach his followers all things and they would understand the truth John 14:26. 1joh2:27, whereas your satanic doctrine has confused all of you because your triune god is not the only true God
Jehovah.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:42am On Feb 04, 2019
false jw's have always been around

Psa 62:4  They only consult to cast him down from his excellency: they delight in lies: they bless with their mouth, but they curse inwardly. Selah.
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:50am On Feb 04, 2019
Janosky:


Rubbish for the incinerator.

* OLAADEGBU & his fellow Pharisees are liars.
* Because his son, Olaadegbu Jnr has the nature of his father, OTUNBA OLAADEGBU, therefore, the son is definitely OTUNBA OLAADEGBU, may your sons never have this wacky thought IJNA.

lying pharisee jano/onej
confusion is your middle name

Olaadegbu Jnr is not the person of OTUNBA OLAADEGBU, Olaadegbu Jnr and OTUNBA OLAADEGBU are human
the same as
Jesus is not the person of His Father, Jesus and His Father are God, john 1 plus

deceiver jano/onej
Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 1:03am On Feb 04, 2019
johnw47:



confusion is your middle name

Olaadegbu Jnr is not the person of OTUNBA OLAADEGBU, Olaadegbu Jnr and OTUNBA OLAADEGBU are human
the same as
Jesus is not the person of His Father, Jesus and His Father are God, john 1 plus

Shut up there.
U have said here that "Father and the word is two person in one spirit which is God", (U done confuse u dey forget your "Father and I are one" mantra).
In other words, the son is the God the father is.

Why u dey deceive yourself dey shift 'goal post?'
Johnw lying Pharisee,coman explain how your 'holy ghost' fits into your Godkind?
Lol

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 2:24am On Feb 04, 2019
Janosky:

Shut up there.
U have said here that "Father and the word is two person in one spirit which is God",

oh duh yet again false jw jano/onej
of course Father and the Word is two persons in God:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

and of course God is a Spirit:
Joh_4:24  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


Janosky:
(U done confuse u dey forget your "Father and I are one" mantra).

lying pharisee jano/onej, of course i haven't forgotten that Father and Jesus are two persons in the one true God,
look at john 1 again, above, ha ha ha

jano/onej
Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Janosky:
In other words, the son is the God the father is.
Why u dey deceive yourself dey shift 'goal post?'

confused deceiving jano/onej
no goal post moved, you just very very confused and blinded,
that comes from hating the truth:
2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Janosky:
Johnw lying Pharisee,coman explain how your 'holy ghost' fits into your Godkind?
Lol

completely confused lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej
you are as confused as hell and cannot understand the simplicity of Father and Son being God
and you don't believe the bible verses that show such
and you wan't to know how the Holy Spirit fits in, laughing

do you want me to post bible verses showing that the Holy Spirit is God?
i'm happy to, smiley
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 4:31am On Feb 04, 2019
Janosky:
Johnw lying Pharisee,coman explain how your 'holy ghost' fits into your Godkind?
Lol

lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej
okay, a little on God the Holy spirit for you
you know that people are human-humankind
and you know that lions are animal-animalkind
and you know that roses are plant-plantkind

and i have shown that Father and the Word is God-Godkind
now to show from an article that the Holy Spirit is God-Godkind




Verses showing identity, ministry, and personhood of the Holy Spirit
by a christian


The Holy Spirit mentioned on equal level with God

1. Matt. 28:19, "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,"
2. 2 Cor. 13:14, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all."
3. Eph. 4:4-6, "There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all."
4. 2 Cor. 3:16-18, "but whenever a man turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit."

Names of the Holy Spirit

1. Spirit of God
Rom. 8:9, "However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him." See also Gen. 1:2
2. Spirit of Christ
Rom. 8:9, "However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him."
3. Spirit of your Father
Matt. 10:20, "For it is not you who speak, but it is the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you."
4. The Spirit of Truth
John 14:17, "that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you." See also, John 15:26.
5. The Spirit of the Lord
Acts 8:39, "And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; and the eunuch saw him no more, but went on his way rejoicing." See also Judges 15:14; 1 Sam. 16:12

The Holy Spirit is referred to as a person by scripture

1. Who
Rom. 8:11, "But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who indwells you."
John 6:63, "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life."
1 John 5:6, "And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth."
See also 1 Cor. 2:12; 2 Tim. 1:14;
2. He
John 14:26, "These things I have spoken to you, while abiding with you. "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you."
3. Himself
Rom. 8:16, "The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,"
Rom. 8:26, "And in the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;"

Personhood of the Holy Spirit (has emotions, is aware, speaks, knows, etc.)

1. Grieves
Isaiah 63:10, "But they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit; Therefore, He turned Himself to become their enemy, He fought against them."
Eph. 4:30, "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption."
2. Loves
Rom. 15:30, "Now I urge you, brethren, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God for me."
3. Has a mind
Rom. 8:27, "and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God."
4. Speaks
2 Sam. 23:2, "The Spirit of the LORD spoke through me; his word was on my tongue."
Acts 8:29, "And the Spirit said to Philip, "Go up and join this chariot."
Acts 10:19, "And while Peter was reflecting on the vision, the Spirit said to him, "Behold, three men are looking for you."
Acts 11:12, "And the Spirit told me to go with them without misgivings. And these six brethren also went with me, and we entered the man’s house."
Acts 13:2, "And while they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them."
Acts 21:11, "And coming to us, he took Paul’s belt and bound his own feet and hands, and said, "This is what the Holy Spirit says: ‘In this way the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.’"
Acts 28:25-26, "And when they did not agree with one another, they began leaving after Paul had spoken one parting word, "The Holy Spirit rightly spoke through Isaiah the prophet to your fathers, saying, ‘Go to this people and say, "You will keep on hearing, but will not understand."
1 Tim. 4:1, "But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,"
Heb. 3:7-8, "Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says, 'Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as when they provoked Me, as in the day of trial in the wilderness,"
Rev. 2:7, "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the Paradise of God." See also Rev. 2:11, 17, 29; 3:6, 13, 22.
Rev. 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, "Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!’" "Yes," says the Spirit, "that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them."
Rev. 22:17, "And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come." And let the one who hears say, "Come." And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost."
5. Knows
1 Cor. 2:11, "For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man, which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God."
Has an awareness of goodness
Acts 15:28, "For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials."
6. Can be lied to
Acts 5:3, "But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit, and to keep back some of the price of the land?"
7. Can be tested
Acts 5:9, "Then Peter said to her, 'Why is it that you have agreed together to put the Spirit of the Lord to the test?'"
8. Makes overseers
Acts 20:28, "Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood."
9. Can be a witness
Acts 5:32, "And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him."
10. Can be resisted
Acts 7:51, "You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit."

Activities of the Holy Spirit

1. Teaches
John 14:26, "These things I have spoken to you, while abiding with you. "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you."
Luke 12:12, "for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say."
2. Intercedes
Rom. 8:26, "And in the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;"
3. Leads
Matt. 4:1, "Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil."
4. Gives life
John 6:63, "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life."
5. Filled by
Acts 2:4, "And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance."

Forms of the Holy Spirit

1. Dove
Matt. 3:16, "And after being baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon Him."

Miscellaneous

1. Can be spoken against
Matt. 12:32, "And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come."
2. Can be baptized with the Holy Spirit
Mark 1:8, "I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."
3. The Spirit is given
John 3:34, "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the Spirit without measure."
4. The Spirit is received
John 20:22, "And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit."
5. The Spirit forbids
Acts 16:6, "And they passed through the Phrygian and Galatian region, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia."
6. The Spirit searches all things
1 Cor. 2:10, "For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God."
7. The Spirit is the truth
1 John 5:6, "And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth."

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 5:31am On Feb 04, 2019
God is a Spirit, john 4:24, = God is the Holy Spirit, duh know nothing jano/onej, laugh

2 Cor. 3:16-18, "but whenever a man turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.



of course you lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej do not have the Holy spirit living in you
and being of the world you think the Holy Spirit is an impersonable power

John 14:17, "that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you."



Act 5:1  But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 
Act 5:2  And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. 
Act 5:3  But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 
Act 5:4  Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 12:51am On Feb 05, 2019
Janosky:
Brocab lying Pharisee is deceiving himself. "There is no way to perfectly and completely understand it.
Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand ,let alone explain"
I wasn't expecting you to know the Trinity Word, it means a group of three things or people: in Christianity, the existence of one God in three forms, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit
The flesh can only understand the things of the flesh-the Spirit understands the things of the Spirit-so JW you haven't a hope in Hell to understand the things of the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit--without receiving the Spirit Himself..
Janosky:
*Jesus said the helper, the holy spirit, will teach his followers all things and they would understand the truth John 14:26. 1joh2:27, whereas your satanic doctrine has confused all of you because your triune god is not the only true God Jehovah.
Jesus said: He will send us a helper-the Spirit of God lives in man-the Holy Spirit is part of the God head-Father, Son and the Holy Spirit are three persons in One--and yet I find it quite strange-how you agree upon the fact Jesus sent us a helper to teach us all things, and still you refuse the God head at the same time.
Now it seems by your own conclusions, you believe the Holy Spirit had wasted His precious time, when it is written-when Jesus said: go out unto all the nations and baptise them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit..
What better way-when Jesus said: to Thomas, you believe because you have seen Me, bless are those who don't see Me and believe-the Holy Spirit really wasted His precious time when He gave the disciples the Words to write-say and do.
If it wasn't through the Holy Spirit-we wouldn't have the evidence, God existed..
I suppose we would end up like you-denying it's power of the manuscripts that were written through the Spirit filled disciples, it was these Holy men who seen and witnessed "God in Three Persons--The Trinity Explained"below. But as you have posted all over the net, by your own conclusions the Holy Spirit had wasted His precious time, explaining the God head through His scriptures..
{Genesis 1:1-2, 1 Corinthians 8:6, 2 Corinthians 3:17, 13:14, Colossians 1:15-17, 2:9, Isaiah 9:6, Isaiah 44:6, John 1:14, John 10:30, 36, Luke 1:35, Matthew 28:19, Matthew 3:16-17, John 14:16-17, Romans 14:17-18, Luke 3:21-22, 1 Peter 1:1-2, 2 Corinthians 1:21- 22, 1 Corinthians 12:4-6, Ephesians 4:4-6, John 14:9-11, Philippians 2:5-8}
So when the Spirit of the Lord guided the disciples to write down the scriptures, you say-it's a lie when the Spirit of the Lord came-He taught the disciples how to write the manuscripts, you still say it's a lie, it was He who helped them to remember about their jouniy they had with Jesus-and more-they had visions and dreams, in Spirit and in all truth-the disciples saw things our flesh could never understand.
Janosky:


Brocab lying Pharisee is deceiving himself.
"There is no way to perfectly and completely understand it.
Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand ,let alone explain"
https://gotquestions.org/Trinity-Bible.html

Your fellow Pharisees confessed that satanic doctrine/ concept of a triune god is "the most difficult thing" to "completely understand" ,
because you don't have the holy spirit at all !!
Your fellow lying Pharisee, Johnw
confessed same that it's hard for him to explain/ understand how the holy spirit is Godkind.

*Jesus said the helper, the holy spirit, will teach his followers all things and they would understand the truth John 14:26. 1joh2:27, whereas your satanic doctrine has confused all of you because your triune god is not the only true God
Jehovah.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 10:40am On Feb 05, 2019
brocab:
Yes you have said that right 'we don't want to be part of the Jehovah witnesses, and there's good reason why we shouldn't follow their false doctrines of Hell..
It's always the same with you people when you know you haven't got an argument to argue against us with, you blame other resources to fill in your mental state of minds.
We are bible believing Christians-where you are not a bible believing Christian-you don't understand the Trinity word-because you don't have the Spirit of the Lord in you to understand it's meaning!
It's obvious you UNDER~stand when you're all teaching various versions of your TRINITY! cheesy cheesy cheesy

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 2:59am On Feb 06, 2019
We are not all teaching various versions of just the Trinity-we are preaching everything from the Bible..
This is the trinity you refuse to understand: {1 John 5:7} For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
One Father, One Son and the Holy Spirit-are three persons in One-this is the Word of God-we preach to you, nothing more-we have explained it to you' in our ways of understanding the scriptures-we have spent hours a day searching the scriptures-everything we have given you is written in the bible.
And still you have refused it' even after you have read the very same verses, "from your bibles.
So it's not directly our teachings to you, it's bible teachings we share with you. It's these teaching's we Christians believe, the bible isn't only written for the natural 'but in Spirit-In the natural you know-In the Spirit you don't know.
You JW's turn against us like raven wolves-you throw all sort of abuse against those who love the Lord--everything we have produced is written down in the bible.
Fools first learn the scriptures before you cast the first stone-your abuse is your own-your reward is from men-it's meddling people like you, who haven't the slightest idea which end is up...
TATIME:
It's obvious you UNDER~stand when you're all teaching various versions of your TRINITY! cheesy cheesy cheesy

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 1:04pm On Feb 06, 2019
It doesn't matter how we explain things to you-Janosky-you are just that stupid kid-trying to make some sort of a name for yourself--your heart deceives you, understanding the Word-isn't your idea-you will always find a place in your heart to try and destroy the written Word of God..
You don't know the Word-even if it is, staring at you, you can't recognise it, typical JW, always believing you can stand on the front line without wearing the armour of God.
You should listen to yourselves, how you produce yourselves on here, you are a disgrace-shame on you-repent and ask the Lord to forgive you, your mouth's are full of poison-your Mother's are praying for you, that one day maybe God will forgive you-your hatred for other's outside your organisations is climbing high, your rewards are full of dead man's bones, you have been deceived-none of you speak the truth-but lie against those who seek after the Lord.
Most Christians are faithful to the Bible’s teachings, {you are not faithful to the bible's teachings-but a lair and a deceiver} {Revelation 21:8, John 8:44}
You lie then seek forgiveness from those to whom you have lied too {The JW's don't seek forgiveness} Christians obey the Gospel {Not the JW's} "He is faithful and forgiving us our sins to cleanse us from all unrighteousness” {1 John 1:9; Matthew 5:23-25}
Janosky:

Shut up there.
U have said here that "Father and the word is two person in one spirit which is God", (U done confuse u dey forget your "Father and I are one" mantra).
In other words, the son is the God the father is.

Why u dey deceive yourself dey shift 'goal post?'
Johnw lying Pharisee,coman explain how your 'holy ghost' fits into your Godkind?
Lol

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by gurusubai7(m): 1:41pm On Feb 06, 2019
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 2:19pm On Feb 06, 2019
So if I am standing on a bridge and my friend decides to jump off-does this mean I will do the same? You need to understand people chooses to live through choices.
gurusubai7:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kWgJUUzaUo
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 3:19pm On Feb 06, 2019
Janosky:


Brocab lying Pharisee is deceiving himself.
"There is no way to perfectly and completely understand it.
Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand ,let alone explain"
https://gotquestions.org/Trinity-Bible.html

Your fellow Pharisees confessed that satanic doctrine/ concept of a triune god is "the most difficult thing" to "completely understand" ,
because you don't have the holy spirit at all !!
Your fellow lying Pharisee, Johnw
confessed same that it's hard for him to explain/ understand how the holy spirit is Godkind.

*Jesus said the helper, the holy spirit, will teach his followers all things and they would understand the truth John 14:26. 1joh2:27, whereas your satanic doctrine has confused all of you because your triune god is not the only true God
Jehovah.
brocab:
We are not all teaching various versions of just the Trinity-we are preaching everything from the Bible..
This is the trinity you refuse to understand: {1 John 5:7} For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
One Father, One Son and the Holy Spirit-are three persons in One-this is the Word of God-we preach to you, nothing more-we have explained it to you' in our ways of understanding the scriptures-we have spent hours a day searching the scriptures-everything we have given you is written in the bible.
And still you have refused it' even after you have read the very same verses, "from your bibles.
[color=#000099]So it's not directly our teachings to you, it's bible teachings we share with you. It's these teaching's we Christians believe, the bible isn't only written for the natural 'but in Spirit-In the natural you know-In the Spirit you don't know


Brocab lying Pharisee is an unrepentant LIAR.
Go & quarrel with got questions.org , your fellow Pharisee triune god worshipper, they said your satanic doctrine is "difficult to understand & explain",no be me talk am.
Why e dey pain you?
.* It is even worse that you have come to a public forum & peddle a 419 ,lie lie verse wey the whole world know say your fellow Pharisees added to the holy Bible (1John5:7kjv).

*"The source material of the king James version, the Textus Receptus, adds a reference to
"The Father, the Word and the holy ghost".
This phrase is NOT found in any of the earliest manuscripts, and wasn't even in the earliest produced copies of the Textus Receptus...."

https://www.bibleref.com/
1-John/5/1-John-5-7.html

The evidence dey too much.
Go check other Bibles apart from kJV & the few ones based on Textus Receptus,that fraud is not 1Jn 5:7.
Everything about Trinity is dubious, that is why your fellow Pharisees confessed they are confused by the lie .

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 3:56pm On Feb 06, 2019
brocab:
]I wasn't expecting you to know the Trinity Word, it means a group of three things or people: in Christianity, the existence of one God in three forms, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit


"God in Three Persons--The Trinity Explained" explaining the God head {Genesis 1:1-2, 1 Corinthians 8:6, 2 Corinthians 3:17, 13:14, Colossians 1:15-17, 2:9, Isaiah 9:6, Isaiah 44:6, John 1:14, John 10:30, 36, Luke 1:35, Matthew 28:19, Matthew 3:16-17, John 14:16-17, Romans 14:17-18, Luke 3:21-22, 1 Peter 1:1-2, 2 Corinthians 1:21- 22, 1 Corinthians 12:4-6, Ephesians 4:4-6, John 14:9-11, Philippians 2:5-8}

Brocab lying Pharisee misquoted scriptures...
I dey come ....
1Cor8:6 points out the wayo u dey quote with Gen1:1-2...

* " For us (Jesus disciples) there is one God (Jehovah),the Father (minus son and holy spirit), Who is the Source of all things..." ,
Jesus is "one lord"
1Cor8:6

* Who made Jesus "one lord" ?
"God (Jehovah) made Jesus lord and Christ" Acts2:36.

* Gen1:26
"God ( Jehovah) said,'Let us make man in our image ..."
* Jehovah whom Paul called "the one God, the Father originated the thought/idea ("Let us make man.."wink for creation.
"Jehovah our God is one Jehovah" (minus Jesus and holy spirit)
Deut 6:4.

* Isa44:6 is specific reference to JEHOVAH ( Deu6:4 & 1cor8:6 circumvented any dubious ploy to link it to Jesus in Rev1:17 and further disproved trinitarian misinterpreted John 10:30).


*Rev1:17 is specific reference to Jesus. why? v13 says he is son of man (Daniel 7:13,14 revealed it's Jesus). v18 says he died & came back to life.
But Jehovah is immortal. Nobody can change that. (Ps90:2. 1tim1:17)

* The evidence is too overwhelming. Jesus is NOT Jehovah.

* Other scriptures mentioned by brocab lying Pharisee are actually misquoted portions of the scriptures. (I will respond to them later...)
This guy who used a fake, corrupted 1John5:7(KJV) for his satanic doctrine will forge more lies & claim it's from the Bible.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 6:53pm On Feb 06, 2019
Janosky:


Brocab lying Pharisee is an unrepentant LIAR.
Go & quarrel with got questions.org , your fellow Pharisee triune god worshipper, they said your satanic doctrine is "difficult to understand & explain",no be me talk am.
Why e dey pain you?
.* It is even worse that you have come to a public forum & peddle a 419 ,lie lie verse wey the whole world know say your fellow Pharisees added to the holy Bible (1John5:7kjv).

*"The source material of the king James version, the Textus Receptus, adds a reference to
"The Father, the Word and the holy ghost".
This phrase is NOT found in any of the earliest manuscripts, and wasn't even in the earliest produced copies of the Textus Receptus...."

https://www.bibleref.com/
1-John/5/1-John-5-7.html

The evidence dey too much.
Go check other Bibles apart from kJV & the few ones based on Textus Receptus,that fraud is not 1Jn 5:7.
Everything about Trinity is dubious, that is why your fellow Pharisees confessed they are confused by the lie .

See somebody that is calling another a liar. You that cannot use bible to prove your doctrines. You must use encyclopedia or history gotten from secular sources. Lol.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 10:57pm On Feb 06, 2019

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 9:47am On Feb 07, 2019
johnw47:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3704758_verse22_giff1affdaf132c2b0820981af68b6147d5

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3704760_jesusisjehovah_gifc481fd19266bbfb832bf8799776cc213

Fraudulent Johnw lying Pharisee ,that statement in Phil 2:10 began from v9..
"Therefore (Jehovah) God has highly exalted him and has freely bestowed on (Jesus) the name that is above every name..."

"(Jehovah) God has raised this Jesus to life ,and of that we all (his disciples) are witnesses" Acts2:32
( 419 johnw ,Jesus never raised himself)
*" Exalted (Jesus) to the right hand of God,he has received from the Father the promised holy spirit.."
Acts2:33.

*" Now they know and understand that all YOU ( Jehovah) have given me (Jesus) belongs to YOU"
John 17:7
Your " triune god Jesus" is forever inferior to Jehovah, the Supreme & only true God (John 17:3,that is why Jesus always received (power/ authority/ titles/ holy spirit etc) from Jehovah God,
johnw lying Pharisee,
I challenge you to name from your Bible one title/name/ position that Jesus bestowed on Jehovah his Father & God.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 10:00am On Feb 07, 2019
Hairyrapunzel:


See somebody that is calling another a liar. You that cannot use bible to prove your doctrines. You must use encyclopedia or history gotten from secular sources. Lol.


Gubernatorial Candidate for Uselu/Yaba Kolo State, go &look after your constituency.
I no get your time...

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 12:29pm On Feb 07, 2019
Janosky:


Gubernatorial Candidate for Uselu/Yaba Kolo State, go &look after your constituency.
I no get your time...


Still no bible passage on what you stated. Be lying on top bible head. Liar.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 2:28pm On Feb 07, 2019
Hairyrapunzel:


Still no bible passage on what you stated. Be lying on top bible head. Liar.

Gubernatorial Candidate for Uselu/Yaba Kolo State ,you have no brain to reason and understand anything.
I found out that Nairalanders ( for instance, 'eyinjuege' & many others) have attested to that....
Get out ta here,boy.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 3:24pm On Feb 07, 2019
Janosky:


Gubernatorial Candidate for Uselu/Yaba Kolo State ,you have no brain to reason and understand anything.
I found out that Nairalanders ( for instance, 'eyinjuege' & many others) have attested to that....
Get out ta here,boy.

Hide your head in shame. No bible passage to defend your claim. Your fellow colleague dey quote encyclopedia for us. Lol

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:03am On Feb 08, 2019
Janosky:


Fraudulent Johnw lying Pharisee ,that statement in Phil 2:10 began from v9..
"Therefore (Jehovah) God has highly exalted him and has freely bestowed on (Jesus) the name that is above every name..."

lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej
that Father bestowed on Jesus the name which is above every name
doesn't change the fact that Jehovah God is Father and the Word

Isa 45:22  Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 
Isa 45:23  I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Php 2:9  Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 
Php 2:10  That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 
Php 2:11  And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

there are many scriptures showing that Jesus is Jehovah God, ask and i will post them
but then of course you don't believe God's word
 


Janosky:
"(Jehovah) God has raised this Jesus to life ,and of that we all (his disciples) are witnesses" Acts2:32
( 419 johnw ,Jesus never raised himself)
*" Exalted (Jesus) to the right hand of God,he has received from the Father the promised holy spirit.."
Acts2:33.

Act 2:32  This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 

when Jesus died His Spirit "the Word of God" returned to His Father
3 days later the word of God(Jesus Spirit) returned to Jesus and raised Him back to life
of course Jesus raised His temple-body just like he said He would:
Joh_2:19  Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
but of course you lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej don't believe Jesus or much of the bible



Janosky:
*" Now they know and understand that all YOU ( Jehovah) have given me (Jesus) belongs to YOU"
John 17:7
Your " triune god Jesus" is forever inferior to Jehovah, the Supreme & only true God (John 17:3,that is why Jesus always received (power/ authority/ titles/ holy spirit etc) from Jehovah God,

such a confused false jw, Jehovah is a name for God, Jehovah God is Father and the Word, john 1:1 plus many, just ask and i will post them, ha ha


Janosky:
johnw lying Pharisee,
I challenge you to name from your Bible one title/name/ position that Jesus bestowed on Jehovah his Father & God.

lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej, that wouldn't make any diffrence to the fact that Father and the Word is God
but keep running away from that issue

you false jw's who deny that Jesus is God in the flesh, who deny that His body was raised etc.
have neither Jesus or His Father:
1Jn_2:23  Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.


Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 2:24am On Feb 08, 2019
Allow me to pray' "Lord" forgive the Watchtower's organisation, "Lord" they do not know what they are teaching-their hearts have been led astray there is no truth found in them-they are trained to destroy the Word the God.
"Lord" they are deceivers-against you-they are lairs against your Chosen people-they stork the widows, they prey on innocent Children, like wolves in sheep clothing-their elders molest their youth, and still Almighty Lord I pray these are forgiven.
Their ways are of the wicked-they plan to destroy your people-the Watchtower is their kingdom-they worship after their father, the devil, they carry out their father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. {John 8:44}
"Lord" you said: Many will come, and few are chosen-I pray' the Jehovah witnesses will turn from evil-I pray they will spread the gospel' you said: go out unto all the World, I pray' they will give blood and heal their sick, do many miracles, I pray' they raise their dead in the Name of Jesus's, {Iesus} "not in Jehovah...
{Matthew 7:21-22} The "Lord" said: Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' The "Lord" will say I never knew you depart from Me..
"Lord" I pray' for the Watchtower society they will repent, I pray" they will call out in Jesus's name-not another name, I pray" forgiveness and repentance is their first priority, that they preach no other doctrine, nor teach false prophesies in Jehovah's name, they have refused to heal their sick, the Watchtower organisation prays in a demonic language to demons 'casting in demons in Jehovah's Name..
Forgive them "Lord" they are murdering themselves, they prey on the innocent-they are falling soul's burning in Hell..
Forgive them "Lord" because they don't ask in your Name, but Jehovah's name-forgive them "Lord" they refuse to hear the truth the hole truth and nothing about the truth; they worship another-who is a lair and a deceiver-a murder from the beginning-forgive them "Lord "they neither go into heaven themselves nor will they allow those who are entering to go in.
Janosky:


Brocab lying Pharisee is an unrepentant LIAR.
Go & quarrel with got questions.org , your fellow Pharisee triune god worshipper, they said your satanic doctrine is "difficult to understand & explain",no be me talk am.
Why e dey pain you?
.* It is even worse that you have come to a public forum & peddle a 419 ,lie lie verse wey the whole world know say your fellow Pharisees added to the holy Bible (1John5:7kjv).

*"The source material of the king James version, the Textus Receptus, adds a reference to
"The Father, the Word and the holy ghost".
This phrase is NOT found in any of the earliest manuscripts, and wasn't even in the earliest produced copies of the Textus Receptus...."

https://www.bibleref.com/
1-John/5/1-John-5-7.html

The evidence dey too much.
Go check other Bibles apart from kJV & the few ones based on Textus Receptus,that fraud is not 1Jn 5:7.
Everything about Trinity is dubious, that is why your fellow Pharisees confessed they are confused by the lie .
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 5:34am On Feb 08, 2019
Just read the scriptures, and stop arguing over small talk, that you know you can't argue against..
Janosky:
I challenge you to name from your Bible one title/name/ position that Jesus bestowed on Jehovah his Father & God.
It doesn't take rocket science to work out-when Jesus said: I and the Father are one-this gives us enough evidence to prove who Jesus is to His Father, how about when His disciples recognises who Jesus is, the miracle becomes more greater to believe.
Thomas's statement in {John 20:28} where he said "My Lord and My God" to Jesus when he saw him.
Did Jesus rebuke Thomas "No" did Jesus say to Thomas don't say that because I am not God? "No"..Is Jesus a lair-because He never corrected Thomas, "No" but does this make you out to be a lair denying the truth, "Yes" "Jesus blessed the testimony of Thomas and therefore acknowledging that Thomas was right in calling him God.
Janosky:


Fraudulent Johnw lying Pharisee ,that statement in Phil 2:10 began from v9..
"Therefore (Jehovah) God has highly exalted him and has freely bestowed on (Jesus) the name that is above every name..."

"(Jehovah) God has raised this Jesus to life ,and of that we all (his disciples) are witnesses" Acts2:32
( 419 johnw ,Jesus never raised himself)
*" Exalted (Jesus) to the right hand of God,he has received from the Father the promised holy spirit.."
Acts2:33.

*" Now they know and understand that all YOU ( Jehovah) have given me (Jesus) belongs to YOU"
John 17:7
Your " triune god Jesus" is forever inferior to Jehovah, the Supreme & only true God (John 17:3,that is why Jesus always received (power/ authority/ titles/ holy spirit etc) from Jehovah God,
johnw lying Pharisee,
I challenge you to name from your Bible one title/name/ position that Jesus bestowed on Jehovah his Father & God.

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