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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 11:29pm On Jan 28, 2019 |
TATIME: false jw tatime you are twisting and running away from the matter again moses being called God or a god has nothing to do with Jesus being God and called God but you used it as an example you don't even understand the verse you quoted, truly God wasn't claiming moses to be God or a god but that moses would represent God to pharoah, would be God to pharoah of course like i said you could not show with verses that moses is God but i can give many verses showing that Jesus is God you false jw tatime are just full of smoke screens and deception anything but truth |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 11:36pm On Jan 28, 2019 |
johnw47:Just check other translations of the Bible, write out this same verse Exodus 7:1 from about Six or Seven different versions of the Bible,then let's chat over TRUTH! 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 11:40pm On Jan 28, 2019 |
TATIME: still running away false jw twister tatime how does ex 7:1 show that Jesus isn't God, which is why you used it |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 11:42pm On Jan 28, 2019 |
TATIME: false jw tatime being non denominational is not a bad thing to be mocked but being a lying pharisee false jw is a bad thing Jud 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 11:48pm On Jan 28, 2019 |
Janosky: lying pharisee false jw deceiver jano/onej mocking the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christis to be expected from you a antichrist Jud 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:42am On Jan 29, 2019 |
Janosky: lying pharisee false jw deceiver jano/onej Jesus Christ the Lord and Saviour did cry out in pain and anguish to His Father and you antichrist mocker will go to your place: Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:43am On Jan 29, 2019 |
Janosky: Jesus Christ the Lord and Saviour of the world is not a false god and a powerless one but you antichrist lying pharisee jano/onej will have your reward: Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:43am On Jan 29, 2019 |
Janosky: lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej yes Jesus Christ the lord and saviour of the world cried out with a loud voice when he was tortured and crucified and antichrist mockers will be wailing and gnashing their teeth at their coming destiny: Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 1:31am On Jan 29, 2019 |
ifyakanu: Janosky: My points above are still valid. * Pls know that 1cor2:16.quoted Isa40:13 , therefore, the correct expression is "Who can know Jehovah's thoughts? who knows enough to teach him?... But we have the mind of Christ" (Pls study John 7:16, Matt24:36, Acts 3:13)& u will get sense of 1cor2:16), the sense there is that nobody taught Jehovah, the only Supreme & true God. But Jehovah taught Jesus & sent Jesus as a Messenger of our prospect for salvation. (John 3:16). It's totally impossible for Jesus the Messenger to be the Supreme Boss (Jehovah) . *John8:58, Geek " I am" meaning " I exist", or "I have been" is totally different from Hebrew, " I am" is not a Hebrew word. (do your research, bro & know the truth). Exodus 3:14 says "I will be what I will be" , that's the original Hebrew word. https://churchlaundry./13/03/08/theres-no-i-am-in-hebrew/ Pls use your brain Jehovah God gave u & set free yourself from satanic doctrine of Trinity 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:55pm On Jan 29, 2019 |
Janosky: "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am He, ye shall die in your sins" (John 8:24). You shall die in your sins if you do not accept Jesus as your personal Saviour and Lord. 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:00pm On Jan 29, 2019 |
Janosky: Jesus is very God of very God, and very Man of very man. He is my Saviour and Lord. Come thou with us and He will do thee good. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:06pm On Jan 29, 2019 |
Janosky: If you are an observant reader you will note that the absence of the definite article does not refer to someone other than the true God. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 3:10pm On Jan 29, 2019 |
Janosky: OLAADEGBU: U dey run from assignment? Why u no post wetin dey John 1:1 in Emphatic Diaglott Bible ,Coptic Bible & other ones I referred to u ? Your lie has found u out. John 8:24 is not the answer to the assignment u dey run from. John 8:24 & surrounding verses nack hammer for your fictitious doctrine. v25 "Then they said to him: who are you ?' just what I have been saying to you from the beginning..." *v26".... But He who SENT ME (Jesus) is true and I speak to the world those things I heard from Him" *v27"They did not understand that he spoke to them of (about) the Father.." *v28 ".... Then you will know that I am he (the Messenger), and that I do nothing of myself, but as my Father (Jehovah) taught me, I speak these things" *Jesus told lying Pharisees ,like OLAADEGBU that he (Jesus) was the one sent (envoy, a Messenger) to "speak to the world those things I heard from the Father", Jehovah, the God of Jesus Christ.(John 20:17,30,31 . Psalms 83:18). "Jesus said, :if you abide in my word, you are my disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free" ( John 8:31,32) * OLAADEGBU lying Pharisee disagreed with Jesus, Pharisees are not abiding by Jesus words. Jesus says he is JEHOVAH'S messenger to the world", but yO LIES DEY BOKU lied that Jesus is Jehovah. Trinity is a satanic doctrine. Don't be deceived by the Trinity scam . |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 3:15pm On Jan 29, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU: Your fellow Pharisees who peddle your satanic doctrine says that all of u are liars who speak from both sides of the mouth& disprove your satanic doctrine. No1 * "The same Greek word is used in both occurrences of the word "God" in John 1:1. THIS SAME WORD (God) IS USED IN MANY CONTEXTS, WHETHER IT REFERS TO THE ONLY TRUE GOD" OR NOT. No 2 They further wrote: However,since it (that is John1:1c) does not have the definite article, it does indicate that this 'Word' was not the same 'person' as the Father" (Jehovah) but has the same essence and nature" (ntgreek.org) Jesus ("the Logos is divine" in some bible translations, that is , " the word is a god" ,he has the nature or essence of the Only true God Jehovah his God & Father but he (Jesus) is NOT Jehovah. Olaadegbu has the nature/essence of his father but he is not his father, that is what John1:1 is saying. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:53pm On Jan 29, 2019 |
Janosky: Is Jesus your personal Saviour and Lord? 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:12pm On Jan 29, 2019 |
Janosky: Add your list of biblical references to the ones highlighted in this thread-->https://www.nairaland.com/4942319/satans-attack-bible |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Emusan(m): 8:24pm On Jan 29, 2019 |
Janosky: Now that you agreed that the Word (Later became Jesus) has the same nature/essence with His Father. Do you also know that, it was this same NATURE/ESSENCE that made the Father God? 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 10:39pm On Jan 29, 2019 |
Emusan: What is the essence/ nature of Jesus Father ,Jehovah? Make you reply ,I beg. 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Emusan(m): 10:48pm On Jan 29, 2019 |
Janosky: He is everlasting and uncreated... What nature/essence were you referring to when you said Jesus and His Father has the same nature/essence? reply asap 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 10:59pm On Jan 29, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU: Have u run out of excuses & lies to give your gullible sheepies? Diversionary tactics no go help your lost cause. Pls lets stick to this topic & do nothing to derail it. 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 11:35pm On Jan 29, 2019 |
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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 12:28am On Jan 30, 2019 |
Emusan: Jesus was begotten, who beget Jehovah? * "Essence is defined as the core nature or the most qualities of a person" https://www.yourdictionary.com/essence * NATURE " The fundamental qualities of a person or thing" https://www.collinsdictionary.com * Nature & Essence meaning the same thing. But pagans who worship triune gods have weaved fictitious meanings into both words. U dey see am? "He is everlasting and uncreated" are not the qualities (essence/ nature) of the only true God, Jehovah, the Father & God of Jesus Christ. A child has the nature/essence of his father when he displays sterling qualities his Father is well known for, such as kindness, meekness, humility, honesty etc . (Jesus says he speaks what Jehovah taught him (Jesus), John8:24-28,38. 7:16,28,29, that's how Jesus learned & copied his Father Jehovah's nature/ essence. He did what his Father did & approved.) It does not in anyway mean that that Father (Jehovah) & child (Jesus) are one single entity (God) or encased/operate in singular spirit body. Mr man, your Trinity scam is a satanic invention. 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Emusan(m): 8:16am On Jan 30, 2019 |
Janosky: I believe you don't take the meaning of begotten here to mean as a mother given birth to a child. The fact is Jesus was not CREATED * "Essence is defined as the core nature or the most qualities of a person" Just so unfortunate that you can still cherry pick from your own link, anyway it's not new as JWs read but only pick any part that suits them and ignore the rest. just as they do to Bible. From the link you provided, this was boldly written there: essence; 1. something that is, or exists; entity 2. that which makes something what it is; intrinsic, fundamental nature or most important quality (of something); essential being 3. a. a substance that keeps, in concentrated form, the flavor, fragrance, or other properties of the plant, drug, food, etc. from which it is extracted; essential oil b. a solution of such a substance or oil in alcohol c. a perfume 4. PHILOS. a. the inward nature of anything, underlying its manifestations; true substance b. the indispensable conceptual characteristics and relations of anything But take a look at 1&2 and see how it falsified your point. U dey see am? They are, stop displaying your ignorance here...from above point and the one here... Nature: The basic or inherent features, character, or qualities of something. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/nature A child has the nature/essence of his father when he displays sterling qualities his Father is well known for, such as kindness, meekness, humility, honesty etc . So we can then say YOU and Jehovah have the same NATURE/ESSENCE as well since you possess those characteristics. isn't it? Then why the need for John 1:1 if you as a human can have the same nature/essence as Jehovah. From here, it's evident that it's either you're lost or ignorant of you're saying. It does not in anyway mean that that Father (Jehovah) & child (Jesus) are one single entity (God) or encased/operate in singular spirit body. Where have you heard anyone saying The Father and Son are the same ENTITY? This is how your founding fathers are also ignorant of the subject matter of TRINITY. Mr man, your Trinity scam is a satanic invention. When you don't even know it |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 12:10pm On Jan 30, 2019 |
Janosky:Look here my friend,is the holy holy holy TRINITY that difficult for you to grasp? 2 Likes
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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 1:03pm On Jan 30, 2019 |
Emusan: johnw47: Mr man , your statement/question means that U condemned your comrade, Johnw comments & in the same breadth condemned your Trinity doctrine. *Entity - "Some thing that exists separately from other things and has it's own identity" (Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary). Mr lying Pharisee and educated illiterate, if u grasp what 'ENTITY' means, your brain will tell U that the only true God ,Jehovah (Jn17:3) is not Jesus. And Jehovah God is NOT your false 3 in 1 entities of Father, Son, holy spirit. U have condemned your satanic doctrine from all angles. Go look for another lie to blow here 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Emusan(m): 2:18pm On Jan 30, 2019 |
Janosky: I can see how you stylishly boycotted your first lies which I exposed your ignorance about. Now you resorted to another lie and begin to jump around Look at the two bolden parts, it shows you're totally lost in the subject matter and you're diving into what you don't know. Instead of you to ask someone to tutor you, you keep exposing your ignorance. Virtually, most JWs lack comprehensive understanding of TRINITY yet they fail to ask question. Let me enlighten you so that you won't repeat the same mistake on public forum again. Firstly, the word 'God' is a generic word like Human that differentiate the person of supreme Being from others i.e Angels, human, animals e.t.c Secondly, to differentiate human from Animals the generic word 'human' can be use as ONE to refer to the entire people on earth. Lastly, when we are talking about God we're simply saying the attributes that differentiate this entity from human or others. This is what happened to our early forefathers that made them to ascribed the word 'GOD' to different entities. But what is the scriptural truth? The truth is the ONLY TRUE GOD of the universe was not created, everlasting and uphold the universe with His own Power. Yet all these are also true about Jesus Christ. But what did you people say? You agree that there's ONE TRUE God but also agreed that Jesus is also A god. Yet you can't boldly answer if Jesus is a false god... To solve the confusion you people are into, since Bible has already established that 'The Word' which became human and known as Jesus is uncreated, everlasting and uphold the universe with His own power yet different from the person who we know as Father. Then, He is God! So just as billions of people living in the world today are ONE HUMAN (meaning we are of the same NATURE/ESSENCE) to other entities so the three PERSONS identified in the scripture as uncreated and everlasting are ONE TRUE God. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 2:53pm On Jan 30, 2019 |
Janosky:You'll find this one really funny because he will just disappear after you've shown him undeniable facts! All they're just trying to say is "don't claim to know more than others". But the only fact that eludes their understanding is we are not saying "we know more than them" but we've found the spiritual Jew foretold by Zechariah that's all! Zechariah 8:23 We are not the ORIGINAL Jehovah's Witnesses,but we have found or identified them in this time of the end when everyone is confused on who are the SLAVE Jesus foretold that will continue to prepare the spiritual meals for those hungry for righteousness? Matthew 24:45 Matthew 5:6 So if they're saying "there is none" we will say "we've found them". 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 4:27pm On Jan 30, 2019 |
Emusan:U are the liar here. "Father and the word is two person in one spirit which is God" fallacy& your fake "nature/essence" meaning "everlasting & uncreated" fallacy was debunked. U now lied that "entity" validated your fake doctrine. The actual meaning of "entity" (Father exists separately, Jesus exists separately,with separate identity ,not your "one spirit which is God" fallacy) has exposed your lie, u resorted to name calling. "One human " is now your faulty analogy which does not equate with ONE TRUE God. Jehovah called his sons gods , Jesus himself said the sons of God are gods. Jesus said " I am God's son", therefore Jesus is a god. There are gods in heaven and on earth,Jesus is one of the gods. The ONLY true God is Jehovah (the Father). John 10:34-36. Ps82:6. 1cor8:4-6. ** Jehovah never called his sons 'false gods", u Pharisees cooked up that lie. (U have no proof for that lie.). Questions for u: *Mr man, "ONLY" ,'Most High' refers to how many person ( s) ? * "Jehovah our God is one Jehovah" Deut6:4, how many person ( s) is 'one Jehovah'? *Why was Jesus begotten & Jehovah was never begotten? * Jesus called Jehovah "my Father and your Father & my God and your God, who is the Father and God of Jehovah? *If Jesus is God,who is his head or has authority over Jesus? 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 10:12pm On Jan 30, 2019 |
Emusan: The facts speaks for itself. Let's see... *"Begotten is the past participle of the verb 'beget' which means to Father or produce as offspring. You might recognize this word (begotten) from John 3:16,one of the most popular and most often quoted Bible verses "For GOD so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son...." . https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/begotten Jehovah PRODUCED Jesus Christ as his offspring (son). Synonyms, Produced > Beget, Generated, CREATED, bring/brought forth, begotten,born etc Go and quarrel with your Thesaurus/ Dictionary for further exposure of your stupidity and falsehood called Trinity. * No2 According to your comrade & fellow lying Pharisee, Johnw47: "God is a spirit, one spirit" entity. " Father and the Word is two person in one spirit which is God" entity. Get outta here with your satanic doctrine & stupidity. 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:09am On Jan 31, 2019 |
Janosky: poor tormented lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej you know you are copycatting and talking about yourself there: Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Barristter07: 1:19am On Jan 31, 2019 |
Emusan: Lies . " [Jesus] the beginning of the Creation by God " - Revelation 3:14 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Barristter07: 2:06am On Jan 31, 2019 |
Emusan: One human? The other time, it was one Man. So you brought this silly grammatical blunder here See your life, all because you wanted to defend a Lie. For the records, one human is a Single or Only Human in a group, Two humans are two separate humans, 3,4,5 so on . So keep those lies, @blue... Are you now fighting with Jesus at John 17:3? 2 Likes 1 Share |
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