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QnVee:
Anybody using the NIV is playing in the devils workshop and is giving him a foothold. Don't be deceived. Do your research!!! You have been warned!!!!

The truth is all those versions are TRANSLATIONS of what was ORIGINALLY written in Hebrew,Aramaic and Greek!
If anyone wants to make a THOROUGH research, he must FIRST understand that
*The Bible was originally written by inspired men who penned down the books in part,some part in Hebrew,some in Aramaic and the rest in Greek!
*The Inspired writers NEVER used CHAPTERS and VERSES!
*The inspired writers rendered the titles lord and god in the same way,it is UNINSPIRED translators that started using capital and small letters to distinguish the GOD of Israel from other GODS!
*The title Lord was used extensively for both humans and deities(gods),but when the UNINSPIRED translators were doing their works,they rendered the NAME of the GOD of Israel with the title LORD!
*The Bible does not contradict itself so if a reader is not able to correlate the messages to a comprehensive conclusion,then he/she has made a mistake and thus need to go back and start allover to fully understand the Bible!

CAPTIVATOR:
Mark 1:24 Have you come to destroy us?

Destruction is their end not torment. Physical fire can't harm a spirit being..


Exodus 3:2

There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. NIV

Presence of the angel In the fire is why the bush can't burn, Just like presence of an angel in Nebuchadnezzar fire didn't allow fire burn Shadrach , Meshach , Abednego .
Again, physical fire can't affect a spirit being



Spirit do not need a tongue to speak. They are not fleshy beings Mr Deadlytruth . Tongue is a flesh, a means of speaking by earthly humans, Going by Bibles statement that spirit don't have flesh. Explain why the rich man has flesh ? Either jedide lied that spirit don't have flesh or he Is correct.



Jesus said fire because fire represent second death. Elsewhere he compared it to Darkness .
Matthew 8:12
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Darkness to tell you fire Is a picture of death.


But am asking again: if its spirit that go to your imaginary hell , how come disembodied spirit will have teeth ( bone ) to gnash when Jesus said spirit doesn't have bone ?

Assumer. When did the bible say presence of angel in the fire made the bush not burn? You will just be writing Your own bible. Lol


Jesus Christ rose from death and he was telling them that he was still human. He even told them to touch him.
The rich man's location was hades and Lazarus location was Abraham's bossom. Jesus Christ location was on earth.

Jesus Christ made the statement while on earth not when he was in heaven. Can you see or touch ghosts on earth?

If the rich man was dead and unconscious how was he able to feel torment in hades?

You have turned a blind eye to this question.


Let me show you that you don't even believe jesus Christ resurrected in flesh.
in his resurrection he ‘became a life-giving spirit.’ That was why for most of the time he was invisible to his faithful apostles… He needs no human body any longer… The human body of flesh, which Jesus Christ laid down forever as a ransom sacrifice, was disposed of by God’s power.”—“Things in Which it is Impossible for God to Lie,” pp. 332, 354

“War broke out in heaven: Michael [who is the resurrected Jesus Christ] and his angels battled with the dragon… Having given up his flesh for the life of the world, Christ could never take it again and become a man once more. However, many persons believe that Christ took his fleshly body to heaven. They point to the fact that when Christ was raised from the dead, his fleshly body was no longer in the tomb. (Mark 16:5-7) Also, after his death Jesus appeared to his disciples in a fleshly body to show them that he was alive… Does this not prove that Christ was raised alive in the same body in which he was put to death? No, it does not. The Bible is very clear when it says: “Christ died once for all time concerning sins… he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit.” (1 Peter 3:18) Humans with flesh-and-blood bodies cannot live in heaven… Only spirit persons with spiritual bodies can live in heaven… Well, then, what happened to Jesus’ fleshly body? Did not the disciples find his tomb empty? They did, because God removed Jesus’ body…But since the apostle Thomas was able to put his hand into the hole in Jesus’ side, does that not show that Jesus was raised from the dead in the same body that was nailed to the stake? No, for Jesus simply materialized or took on a fleshly body, as angels had done in the past…While Jesus appeared to Thomas in a body similar to the one in which He was put to death, He also took on different bodies when appearing to His followers. Thus Mary Magdalene at first thought that Jesus was a gardener. At other times his disciples did not at first recognize him.… Jesus Christ…was the first to be raised as a spirit person. (1 Peter 3:18)”—You can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth, 1982, 21, 1989, pp. 143-145, 172



Your leaders even have to assume what's not in the Bible to lie because they want to prove that their assumption of Jesus Christ being angel Michael is true.

CAPTIVATOR:
Lying is in your blood. Where do you see Lazarus was buried in that story ?

" Now in the course of time, the beggar died and was carried off by the angels to Abraham's side . "
He was carried off bodily oga .

" Also, the rich man died and was buried " so different
.

This will expose the bold, the rich man ask for water , physical water or spiritual water ? how could Lazarus dip fingers into a physical drinkable water if he wasn't bodily ?

Tell me why Angels don't carry dead body from mortuary today

Where did you see Lazarus was carried bodily to Abraham side?

Peacefullove:
Firstly, am just a follower on this thread. But the highlighted red part is a stupid comment, you accuse the other guy of speaking where your holy book is silent, but here you are doing the same. Is tongue not a part of the physical body ? I leave you to answer that, something is wrong either you guys are right or Bible Jesus Is wrong to say Spirit don't have a physical body . one must be true. Even if we are to go by what your Bible said, a spirit should not even have a teeth to gnash, since spirit don't have bone.

I wonder o, Thanks For that

achorladey:
CAPTIVATOR: Paul would never forsake meetings - Heb 10:24,25.

Achorladey: He encouraged us all to do so. People visiting Paul at home is that not an opportunity open to Paul not to forsake gatherings?

With whom do you congregate ? If you follow Kimmoms comment, U are either in a denomination or refuse to name yourself , that gives you the non denomination tag, but even non denomination groups are many and different in variety . so he asked which none denomination group are we talking about ?

Jumping from SIT AT HOME MINISTRY to FORSAKING MEETINGS. Hahahahahaaha!

CAPTIVATOR: The act u cited , he was under house arrest as a prisoner from Jerusalem.

Achorladey: At that moment in time, circumstances made Paul become who? A SIT AT HOME CHRISTIAN. YES or NO. A sit at home Christian who carried out his MINISTRY CONTINUOUSLY therefore a SIT AT HOME MINISTRY . YES or NO. Sit at home ministry is possible?

Your friend brought the Idea, you supported him and also went ahead by citing Ronald Kimmons, I used the scriptures to show its possibility as seen in Paul's case.

CAPTIVATOR: don't twist scripture here.

Achorladey: I am not willing to do so.

CAPTIVATOR: He clearly exposed your tricks, didn't he? Read it over and over again

Achorladey: I read your post repeatedly and I told you what I could make of it in line with the discussion so far that you have in essence use that cited material to prove what you and your friend that do not want us to believe or accept that the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATIONS of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES is one out of the CHRISTIAN denominations is indeed one of the Christian denominations.

Please do reveal the TRICK I want to play on you.

No, Paul is not Sit at home, he is an associate member of the existing Christian group of the time known as " The way " . though circumstances forced him, he never forget his brothers. Who are your own brothers in your non denomination group ? Sit at home, someone who has no brothers with whom they congregate. Failure at Hebrew 10:24,25 .

Deadlytruth:
Lying is the very blood flowing in your veins. Where in that passage did you see it written that 'Lazarus died, but without being buried, the angels took his body straight up to Abraham'?
So "he was carried off" now means same thing as "he was carried off bodily"? You have smuggled 'bodily' into the statement so fast. Thief!


If it was Lazarus'body that was carried up while that of the rich man was left in the grave on earth, then how could the rich man have been able to see Abraham and Lazarus in heaven from his grave on earth?
If a physical fire was going to torment the devil and his angels as Jesus clearly stated in Revelations 20:10, then why wouldn't a soul being tormented by heat also assume that physical water would quench it? And did Abraham replied him that there was no physical water there to cool his tongue?

Lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz , Eat John 3:13,

Deadlytruth:
You are just spewing emotions without making any sense. I doubt if you thoroughly read the comments you are responding to.
For example, I used the geographical naming of churches in the Bible by the first century Christians (in the sense of the Apostles themselves who got Jesus's approval) but you are talking of how Catholic came about. If first century Christians of your own idea named gave unscriptural names like Catholic, Protestant, etc to churches as against the purely geographical names the Apostles gave them with Jesus approval as seen in Revelations, shouldn't that tell you that those first century Christians (your own idea of who they were) were not infallible hence your organization's insistence of following in their footsteps a wrong doctrine? You are only muddling up issues and drawing the hands of the clock back.
Go and follow the debate from the very beginning rather than just jumping in to start quoting my last five responses.

Zone, parish, region etc are used by modern churches too as means of identifying their branches geographically , History would have deliver you from this disgrace you are giving yourself.

I already explained why churches identify themselves with distinct names, Go and read up on Pauline Christianity and Gnostic Christianity that develop shortly after Jerusalem fall, and how Constantine tried to reunite all in the Catholic church. If you are not a Catholic, you are a Protestant or Reformation. That's another distinct group, within Protestantinism exist many other church bodies due to differences in belief gotten from the Catholic Church. If I ask which Christian group do you belong , either you are for or against the Catholic church which will make you a Protestant Christian , here u are arguing on hellfire sheepishly, where do you got the belief from if not Catholic church ? Here u are defending a tradition gotten from the Catholic church.

You attend a church every Sunday, What is the name ?

I address some other areas of your post, why not respond as well.

Peacefullove:
Zone, parish, region etc are used by modern churches too as means of identifying their branches geographically , History would have deliver you from this disgrace you are giving yourself.

I already explained why churches identify themselves with distinct names, Go and read up on Pauline Christianity and Gnostic Christianity that develop shortly after Jerusalem fall, and how Constantine tried to reunite all in the Catholic church. If you are not a Catholic, you are a Protestant or Reformation. That's another distinct group, within Protestantinism exist many other church bodies due to differences in belief gotten from the Catholic Church. If I ask which Christian group do you belong , either you are for or against the Catholic church which automatically make you a Protestant Christian . here u are arguing on hellfire sheepishly, where do you got the belief from if not Catholic church ?

You attend a church every Sunday, What is the name ?

Abeg what denomination did the early Christians belong to in the Bible?
Is it so difficult to answer?
Why are you telling us to go and check encyclopedias?

CAPTIVATOR:
I wonder o, Thanks For that

Foot and hands are part of the human body too how come angels have it?

CAPTIVATOR:
Lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz , Eat John 3:13,

13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.

Angels Nko? Except you are saying Jesus Christ used false stories in those parables. Therefore the parable of the faithful and discrete slave is also false. You can't cherry pick sir

CAPTIVATOR:
Lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz , Eat John 3:13,

13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.

Angels Nko? Except you are saying Jesus Christ used false stories in those parables. Therefore the parable of the faithful and discrete slave is also false. You can't cherry pick sir.

You still haven't answered how a dead unconscious buried person in a grave will feel agony in fire. I know you keep avoiding this question. Lol

Hairyrapunzel:
Abeg what denomination did the early Christians belong to in the Bible?
Is it so difficult to answer?
Why are you telling us to go and check encyclopedias?

You expect them to be split while the apostolic followers of Jesus himself are still alive? Shows how daft u are . They recognize the one leading of that time , after they all died and Jerusalem which is the headquarters of this apostles fall to the Romans. Christianity get splitted into groups. This Constantine reunited into Catholic church, are you a Catholic or Protestant ?

Peacefullove:
Zone, parish, region etc are used by modern churches too as means of identifying their branches geographically , History would have deliver you from this disgrace you are giving yourself.

I already explained why churches identify themselves with distinct names, Go and read up on Pauline Christianity and Gnostic Christianity that develop shortly after Jerusalem fall, and how Constantine tried to reunite all in the Catholic church. If you are not a Catholic, you are a Protestant or Reformation. That's another distinct group, within Protestantinism exist many other church bodies due to differences in belief gotten from the Catholic Church. If I ask which Christian group do you belong , either you are for or against the Catholic church which automatically make you a Protestant Christian . here u are arguing on hellfire sheepishly, where do you got the belief from if not Catholic church ?

You attend a church every Sunday, What is the name ?

You are the one disgracing yourself woefully. A typical JW trying to change the narrative from the giving of churches human invented names to the geographical naming of parishes. Did the church break up into different denominations in apostolic times to warrant your rather tricky defense of your organization's culpability with the claim that they name too follow the Bible by naming their parishes with geographical identities?
I guess the way you get your unstable and ever changing beliefs sheepishly from your publishing company which forbids her members from carrying out independent minded personal study of the Bible is the way you assume others get theirs from their Churches.
If with all the Bible references provided on this thread you still assume that belief in the existence of hell fire is not a product of personal study of the Bible but of Catholicism or protestantism, then you are the most stupid member of Nairaland. You have been asked why Jesus, in His literal interpretation of the parable of wheat and tares, referred to hell as fire, you have cleaverly been avoiding that question but keep on using abusive language on people as if you have a monopoly of it. You must be a very stupid religious bigot who can't debate with civility yet you call yourself a member of God's approved organization. By their fruits ye shall know them.

Peacefullove:
Zone, parish, region etc are used by modern churches too as means of identifying their branches geographically , History would have deliver you from this disgrace you are giving yourself.

I already explained why churches identify themselves with distinct names, Go and read up on Pauline Christianity and Gnostic Christianity that develop shortly after Jerusalem fall, and how Constantine tried to reunite all in the Catholic church. If you are not a Catholic, you are a Protestant or Reformation. That's another distinct group, within Protestantinism exist many other church bodies due to differences in belief gotten from the Catholic Church. If I ask which Christian group do you belong , either you are for or against the Catholic church which will make you a Protestant Christian , here u are arguing on hellfire sheepishly, where do you got the belief from if not Catholic church ? Here u are defending a tradition gotten from the Catholic church.

You attend a church every Sunday, What is the name ?

I address some other areas of your post, why not respond as well.

The bolded above is pure rubbish. Those are human records which are not the word of God as recorded in the Bible which tells us that the scriptures alone are enough to teach and guide us according to the mind of God. Any record outside the Bible is irrelevant to sound doctrine. Get this into your head Mr. Encyclopedia.

Deadlytruth:
You are the one disgracing yourself woefully. A typical JW trying to change the narrative from the giving of churches human invented names to the geographical naming of parishes. Did the church break up into different denominations in apostolic times to warrant your rather tricky defense of your organization's culpability with the claim that they name too follow the Bible by naming their parishes with geographical identities?

Anyone who disagreed with you is JW . u are wise, clap for yourself . you are not speaking with JW . use your brain

I guess the way you get your unstable and ever changing beliefs sheepishly from your publishing company which forbids her members from carrying out independent minded personal study of the Bible is the way you assume others get theirs from their Churches.
If with all the Bible references provided on this thread you still assume that belief in the existence of hell fire is not a product of personal study of the Bible but of Catholicism or protestantism, then you are the most stupid member of Nairaland. You have been asked why Jesus, in His literal interpretation of the parable of wheat and tares, referred to hell as fire, you have cleaverly been avoiding that question but keep on using abusive language on people as if you have a monopoly of it. You must be a very stupid religious bigot who can't debate with civility yet you call yourself a member of God's approved organization. By their fruits ye shall know them.

Idiot who said Abraham and Lazarus are in heaven,come and defend it in the face of John 3 vs 13 , if that can be false says much about all you have been saying on this thread.

No shaking, you didn't prove anything except what Catholic church gave you. Today, u will hear wee

Peacefullove:
You expect them to be split while the apostolic followers of Jesus himself are still alive? Shows how daft u are . They recognize the one leading of that time , after they all died and Jerusalem which is the headquarters of this apostles fall to the Romans. Christianity get splitted into groups. This Constantine reunited into Catholic church, are you a Catholic or Protestant ?

You are a fool. The word "church" itself means followers of Jesus. So when was there ever a time when the followers of Jesus were no longer around?

Deadlytruth:

The bolded above is pure rubbish. Those are human records which are not the word of God as recorded in the Bible which tells us that the scriptures alone are enough to teach and guide us according to the mind of God. Any record outside the Bible is irrelevant to sound doctrine. Get this into your head Mr. Encyclopedia.

Are they false ? Prove them as rubbish. Typical Olodo Nairaland xtian

Deadlytruth:
You are a fool. The word "church" itself means followers of Jesus. So when was there ever a time when the followers of Jesus were no longer around?

Followers of Which Jesus ?
Trinity Jesus, non Trinity Jesus , non messiah Jesus , Jesus is just a good man Jesus , I believe in Jesus but not the Virgin birth Jesus , I believe in the virgin birth Jesus , which ?

Olodo, Nairaland Christian.

Peacefullove:
Anyone who disagreed with you is JW . u are wise, clap for yourself . you are not speaking with JW . use your brain



Idiot who said Abraham and Lazarus are in heaven,come and defend it in the face of John 3 vs 13 , if that can be false says much about all you have been saying on this thread.

No shaking, you didn't prove anything except what Catholic churcuh gave you. Today, u will hear wee

Just as you assumed I must be either Catholic or protestant for disagreeing with you. Can't you see your reasoning faculty is dead?
You are the idiot here. In John 3:16 Jesus used "no one" in the sense of the fleshy body and added that no one has ever gone and come back to earth. How does that invalidate our position premised on the parable of Lazarus and the rich man where they both went and didn't come back? I never knew you JWs' tendency to take verses in isolation has gone so bad that you even take fractions of a verse in isolation of the verse itself. Victims of manipulation of 8 men in New York. The day they will tell you that their light has shone brighter hence they've realized hell fire is real, you will start propagating it sheepishly again. Zombified Christians!

Peacefullove:
Followers of Which Jesus ?
Trinity Jesus, non Trinity Jesus , non messiah Jesus , Jesus is just a good man Jesus , I believe in Jesus but not the Virgin birth Jesus , I believe in the virgin birth Jesus , which ?

Olodo, Nairaland Christian.

See experts of digression at work. Why not answer my question as to when Jesus followers were no longer around?

Peacefullove:
Are they false ? Prove them as rubbish. Typical Olodo Nairaland xtian

Can it be found in the scriptures? Prove they are in the Bible. Zombified Christians who try to establish the authenticity of the Bible with human error prone records. They don't believe what the Bible says until they have seen it in an encyclopedia authoured by man. Inverted faith.

Deadlytruth:
You are the one disgracing yourself woefully. A typical JW trying to change the narrative from the giving of churches human invented names to the geographical naming of parishes. Did the church break up into different denominations in apostolic times to warrant your rather tricky defense of your organization's culpability with the claim that they name too follow the Bible by naming their parishes with geographical identities?
I guess the way you get your unstable and ever changing beliefs sheepishly from your publishing company which forbids her members from carrying out independent minded personal study of the Bible is the way you assume others get theirs from their Churches.
If with all the Bible references provided on this thread you still assume that belief in the existence of hell fire is not a product of personal study of the Bible but of Catholicism or protestantism, then you are the most stupid member of Nairaland. You have been asked why Jesus, in His literal interpretation of the parable of wheat and tares, referred to hell as fire, you have cleaverly been avoiding that question but keep on using abusive language on people as if you have a monopoly of it. You must be a very stupid religious bigot who can't debate with civility yet you call yourself a member of God's approved organization. By their fruits ye shall know them.

Have answered it.

Elsewhere he refer to it as darkness, telling Fire Is synonymous to destruction just as gnashing of teeth is synonymous to regret. Or is gnashing of teeth also literal for your imagined spirit entities ? Lolzzzzzz

Deadlytruth:
Can it be found in the scriptures? Prove they are in the Bible. Zombified Christians who try to establish the authenticity of the Bible with human error prone records. They don't believe what the Bible says until they have seen it in an encyclopedia authoured by man. Inverted faith.

Prove him wrong

Deadlytruth:
See experts of digression at work. Why not answer my question as to when Jesus followers were no longer around?

He ask that followers of which Jesus . there are many versions of Jesus . answer now

Deadlytruth:
Just as you assumed I must be either Catholic or protestant for disagreeing with you. Can't you see your reasoning faculty is dead?
You are the idiot here. In John 3:16 Jesus used "no one" in the sense of the fleshy body and added that no one has ever gone and come back to earth. How does that invalidate our position premised on the parable of Lazarus and the rich man where they both went and didn't come back? I never knew you JWs' tendency to take verses in isolation has gone so bad that you even take fractions of a verse in isolation of the verse itself. Victims of manipulation of 8 men in New York. The day they will tell you that their light has shone brighter hence they've realized hell fire is real, you will start propagating it sheepishly again. Zombified Christians!

John 3:16 in the sense of fleshly body lolzzzzzzzz. No one means nobody .

CAPTIVATOR:
Have answered it.

Elsewhere he refer to it as darkness, telling Fire Is synonymous to destruction just as gnashing of teeth is synonymous to regret. Or is gnashing of teeth also literal for your imagined spirit entities ? Lolzzzzzz

You have not answered it. The disciples asked him for a literal meaning of the parable and in response he told them that the final destination of sinners is fire. He was no longer using figurative language to warrant the suggestion that he still meant a mere unconscious world of darkness with such clear statement.
Also in the Revelation 20, Jesus specifically described hell fire as a place of everlasting torment rather than a mere dark place of unconsciousness.

Deadlytruth:
Can it be found in the scriptures? Prove they are in the Bible. Zombified Christians who try to establish the authenticity of the Bible with human error prone records. They don't believe what the Bible says until they have seen it in an encyclopedia authoured by man. Inverted faith.

Very stupid guy, where is the error ? Point them out ? Olodo christian

CAPTIVATOR:
John 3:16 in the sense of fleshly body lolzzzzzzzz. No one means nobody .

Jesus said "no one" because he was speaking with a man Nicodemus in the fleshy form. He didn't say "no one's soul". Revelations tells us that souls are present in heaven. That is the difference.

Peacefullove:
Very stupid guy, where is the error ? Point them out ? Olodo christian

Mumu! Victim of Zombification. So humans records are more reliable than the Bible? Zombie! Zombie!!

Deadlytruth:
Just as you assumed I must be either Catholic or protestant for disagreeing with you. Can't you see your reasoning faculty is dead?
You are the idiot here. In John 3:16 Jesus used "no one" in the sense of the fleshy body and added that no one has ever gone and come back to earth. How does that invalidate our position premised on the parable of Lazarus and the rich man where they both went and didn't come back? I never knew you JWs' tendency to take verses in isolation has gone so bad that you even take fractions of a verse in isolation of the verse itself. Victims of manipulation of 8 men in New York. The day they will tell you that their light has shone brighter hence they've realized hell fire is real, you will start propagating it sheepishly again. Zombified Christians!

You are in soup today.

" no one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven - the son of man

No one! Simple English, even kindagarteen will understand.

Abraham is some one, Lazarus is some one , so when he says No one , someone will be there ? Won't that make him a liar ?

Olodo NL Xtian

Deadlytruth:
See experts of digression at work. Why not answer my question as to when Jesus followers were no longer around?

I said which Jesus ? Are u okay ?