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LordReed:
I know of Michellekabod1&2, who's the other?

Would love to say, buda, but finding I'd have to say 1½ at best instead of two as I'm finding some things impossible to convert to.

budaatum:
Would love to say, buda, but finding I'd have to say 1½ at best instead of two as I'm finding some things impossible to convert to.

Jesusjnr your God has not completed his work on Buda... Yahweh needs to work harder

budaatum:
Would love to say, buda, but finding I'd have to say 1½ at best instead of two as I'm finding some things impossible to convert to.

Sorry buda but I must say that i'm absolutely disgusted by this saying.

For if you weren't yet sure then why on Earth did you come to correct me that it was two?

If you say 1½, then i would say 1 and I would effect this correction every where i had made this mistake.

No wonder it was as if I was yet having to deal with an atheist, when I was living in the delusion that you had converted.

To be honest with you buda it would be very hard for me to trust your words anymore because they have grossly misled me.

For there is nothing like ½, for it's either you're fully in or fully out, no sitting on the fence, as that was why I kept you at bay before hand for it's risky business for me to fully be committed to someone that hasn't made up their mind yet.

If you are ashamed of being seen as a believer in God before other atheists, then you should know that you are not ready yet.

I'm really disappointed with you and to have fallen for this deceit, for it was your word i took for it, hence my change of position, but you can see the extent to which my trust in your words has complicated things for me.

But trust me buda this will never happen again, I promise you that for I was satisfied with Michelle because 1 is 1, and 1 is better than 1½, because the 1 is settled in heaven.

But you can be proud of yourself for your achievement of complicating things for me. smh.

At least you have made the atheists to have something to cheer about.

#neveragain

frank317:
Jesusjnr your God has not completed his work on Buda... Yahweh needs to work harder

Yeah I just found out, but it was buda that deceived me then to think so, so you guys still have one full atheist of the two with you and not even one and half.

I'm really sorry for this deception, but nothing spoil.

The end of atheism is yet high!

jesusjnr:
Sorry buda but I must say that i'm absolutely disgusted by this saying.

You make it sound as if whatever I think or do has anything to do with you! Are you God now that I'm supposed to subjugate myself to? Have you so quickly forgotten that it is what one does that matters, and not what one believes in one's head? Is this the point where you get demoted to jnr, perhaps? It is this attitude of us versus them that will actually chase me from religion completely in the end.

Get over yourself please. The God of peacemakers who created the entire universe does not belong to Christians alone. And if you can't love your neighbours just the way they are then perhaps you need a name change!

frank317:
Jesusjnr your God has not completed his work on Buda... Yahweh needs to work harder

Yahweh has absolutely nothing to do with anything, Frank! It was Jesus who got buda, and not Yahweh, and that, after careful consideration of what he taught. The pity is that some seem to be treating it like an election between candidates symbolised by this rather stupid thread! The idea that Jesus would like the division of us and them that some Christians seem to think is acceptable just makes me want to run from them since it's one of those sins buda would burn in the hottest part of hell for if committed! Or did Jesus the Lord of blessed peacemakers promote division somewhere and I've missed it?!

In my opinion, any atheist or theist who does not see anything worthwhile in Jesus might as well claim stupidity since they would see no merit in the less important tales of the tortoise and the hare, or the equally important Socrates and Mohammed, neither.

jesusjnr:
Yeah I just found out, but it was buda that deceived me then to think so, so you guys still have one full atheist of the two with you and not even one and half.

I'm really sorry for this deception, but nothing spoil.

The end of atheism is yet high!

Accept my challenge and I will accept Jesus after the miracle. Deal?

budaatum:
Yahweh has absolutely nothing to do with anything, Frank! It was Jesus who got buda, and not Yahweh, and that, after careful consideration of what he taught. The pity is that some seem to be treating it like an election between candidates symbolised by this rather stupid thread! The idea that Jesus would like the division of us and them that some Christians seem to think is acceptable just makes me want to run from them since it's one of those sins buda would burn in the hottest part of hell for if committed! Or did Jesus the Lord of blessed peacemakers promote division somewhere and I've missed it?!

In my opinion, any atheist or theist who does not see anything worthwhile in Jesus might as well claim stupidity since they would see no merit in the less important tales of the tortoise and the hare, or the equally important Socrates and Mohammed, neither.

But according to Christians... Jesus is God or better put, Jesus is Yahweh.

In my own opinion, u are very far from where jesusjnr thought u were.

hahn:
Accept my challenge and I will accept Jesus after the miracle. Deal?

Twill not work like that na... U must accept Jesus by blind faith. Just believe with no prove. Believe in ur mind that Jesus died for ur sins and created hell in case u don't accept him and this is perfect love.

budaatum:
You make it sound as if whatever I think or do has anything to do with you! Are you God now that I'm supposed to subjugate myself to? Have you so quickly forgotten that it is what one does that matters, and not what one believes in one's head? Is this the point where you get demoted to jnr, perhaps? It is this attitude of us versus them that will actually chase me from religion completely in the end.

Get over yourself please. The God of peacemakers who created the entire universe does not belong to Christians alone. And if you can't love your neighbours just the way they are then perhaps you need a name change!

Did you think I was God when you came and told me it was two and not one?

You involved me thus in this your conversion, and now you are making it seem as though i don't have any right to be disappointed, when you now say it's one and half and not two like you told me.

I'd always told you I was jesusjnr and not jesus, so only you know where you got the idea that I was ever not a jnr anyways.

Next time don't involve me in things that pertain to you if you don't want me to be involved.

Two yesterday, then one and half today, tomorrow it would then become one.

No I don't do uncertainties but certainties where one is truly one.

So my point is that next time before you come to me and say it's two not one, make sure you're damn sure it's two.

frank317:
But according to Christians... Jesus is God or better put, Jesus is Yahweh.

In my own opinion, u are very far from where jesusjnr thought u were.

As you can see I don't do sentimental stuff.

That's why to most of the Christians here I am wolf in sheep clothing.

Think about it, what does one and half really mean in this respect?

I think you can agree with me that it means one, even though you are an atheist and I'm a Jesus disciple.

So that's not sentiments but truth.

frank317:
But according to Christians... Jesus is God or better put, Jesus is Yahweh.

In my own opinion, us very far from where jesusjnr thought u were.

That may very well be the opinion of 'Christians' but in my opinion, they are in error. A God that said, thou shalt not worship any other god, would hardly change its mind and ask you to worship another god. Besides, worshipping Jesus is not exactly the same as doing the will of Jesus, which is, love one another, an idea that 'Christians' seem to think includes "only if they believe as we believe", as opposed to doing that which is right and proper. I'd not call them Christians even, but Pharisaists, in fact! Those who truly 'worship God' would be full of spirit fruits, which I'm finding in all my years on here is not so much the case, though I must offer an apology considering the numerous Christians who are so full of spiritual fruits that they very wisely hardly get involved in the divisiveness that seems to be prevalent on here.

Christianity, at least as practised by some, is more concerned with beliefs regardless of the evidence, it would seem, and I'd have to undergo a lobotomy to be one of them and believe what they think they have to believe. They don't so much worry about their life, which Jesus told them not to, but worry what happens tomorrow and whether they go to heaven or not when they die, which is much worse and contradicts what Jesus taught. They appear to have adopted the pharisaic ideology that he preached against and was killed for!

God can't possibly care about the thoughts that one rather insignificant individual in the whole scheme of things, holds, thinks or believes in their head as my favourite Psalm 15 clearly shows. And no atheist with a brain can possibly claim what that Psalm advocates would not create a Tarbernacle of the Lord for all to dwell in.

If. Nay! When people do learn what Jesus taught the world would be a much better place as we would take giant leaps forward towards creating heaven right here on earth itself where the lions and lambs, or theists and atheists, would be in peace. In that vein is Jesus God indeed. Some though need to go get some saltiness and stop crucifying the Lord Jesus the Christ and Messiah!

jesusjnr:
Two yesterday, then one and half today, tomorrow it would then become one.

First, I did not come to you! And to be honest, it is you who reduced me by ½ with your divisiveness, which, personally, my God would not accept from me since I ought to know that whether one calls on Appolos or Paul, God breathed life into us all.

budaatum:
First, I did not come to you! And to be honest, it is you who reduced me by ½ with your divisiveness, which, personally, my God would not accept from me since I ought to know that whether one calls on Appolos or Paul, God breathed life into us all.

Disprove this!

jesusjnr:
Disprove this!

Quoting a person is not "coming to" that person! When you've been here long enough you'd understand that one could be quoted without the quoter even talking to the quoted.

My "2" was a comment to God and had nothing to do with you, and while I say half to you now, I'm sure God sees the heart. Buda remains got.

budaatum:
First, I did not come to you! And to be honest, it is you who reduced me by ½ with your divisiveness, which, personally, my God would not accept from me since I ought to know that whether one calls on Appolos or Paul, God breathed life into us all.

And this.

My divisiveness indeed, just looking for any excuse to justify your error, if not why would you claim it was two atheist down instead of one, if you truly thought there was no difference?

Am sorry If i'm being hard on you, because I understand that it may not be easy to get a full grip on what it entails, hence my advice to you is that you first keep your conversion talk on the down low until you are completely sure about it. So that when you are completely certain about it, then bring it to the fore, so that you'll not find yourself confusing everyone inclusive of yourself.

budaatum:
Quoting a person is not "coming to" that person! When you've been here long enough you'd understand that one could be quoted without the quoter even talking to the quoted.

My "2" was a comment to God and had nothing to do with you, and while I say half to you now, I'm sure God sees the heart. Buda remains got.

Okay now I see where you're coming from.

But why the 1½ again?

jesusjnr:
Okay now I see where you're coming from.

But why the 1½ again?

I am buda. The buda, who said, "What the fuq, Lord! Has Moses got two heads?! Is it not you who created buda also? I'm coming up too. And I'm coming near you!"

I refuse to become as some Christians believe one should be. God has not given me any such message.

jesusjnr:
And this.

My divisiveness indeed, just looking for any excuse to justify your error, if not why would you claim it was two atheist down instead of one, if you truly thought there was no difference?

Am sorry If i'm being hard on you, because I understand that it may not be easy to get a full grip on what it entails, hence my advice to you is that you first keep your conversion talk on the down low until you are completely sure about it. So that when you are completely certain about it, then bring it to the fore, so that you'll not find yourself confusing everyone inclusive of yourself.

I don't think I said "two atheists were down", anywhere. It sure wouldn't sound like the buda I know. And as far as Christianity as practised by Christians is concerned, believe me when I say I am more of a minus than a ½. As to my actual score, the only test I've sat on the topic is the Tatime Test where I scored lowly.

You asked me for a conversion story and I refused. I guess its time. I had a visitation by a pastor prior to my half, and we discussed. In our conversation, what seemed to fundamentally contradict what I found in my own Bible was professed so I brought up the text. It was then the pastor confessed to having never read the Bible from cover to cover and I realised how much Christians had put me off Christianity. It brought to mind 90 year old Papa Roger (rip), a JW, who on hearing I was an atheist refused to talk to me for months until he learnt about me and finally told me I was more Jesusy in his opinion than many believers he knew. It so happened I was one of his more frequent visitors as he lay on his death bed.

I don't have to justify any error, jnr nor am I confused. My conversion is in my having a personal relationship with Christ and disregarding misrepresentations of him as given by numerous so called Christians I have met whom it turns out have not really properly read their Bibles hence the reason they are believers as opposed to "do my willers". The fact is, I have always admired Jesus Christ as you'd note from my posts going back a decade now but Christians have managed to put me off him. Well not anymore. And if anyone is confused then perhaps they are beginning to understand why it is written that a person’s enemies will be the members of his own household. God is the one who is ever Knowing and Wise, and not them!

budaatum:
I am buda. The buda, who said, "What the fuq, Lord! Has Moses got two heads?! Is it not you who created buda also? I'm coming up too. And I'm coming near you!"

I refuse to become as some Christians believe one should be. God has not given me any such message.

OK buda e do! I have heard you.

It two down but you have to stop complicating things unnecessarily, and be ready to portray so wherever you go, and to whomever you know, for if you say two down and then one and half it causes unwarranted confusion.

I was never trying to put you into a box, because as you can clearly see, I refused to be put into any box myself, except the box of my Master's saying which is the only necessary box as far as the church goes if you ask me.

It's okay for us to disagree on somethings but let's be united by the Truth, which is Jesus, and have Him be what we have in common.

Welcome again buda, welcome.

Sorry for not understanding you at first, but at least now you have cleared matters up, so that i'm now doubly sure that when you said it's two atheists down, it was actually two atheists down, and not one and half.

God be with buda!

frank317:
Jesusjnr your God has not completed his work on Buda... Yahweh needs to work harder

Correction!

Yahweh has already finished the work in the respect of "two atheist down", for it's been confirmed that it's indeed two atheist down.

So I have been right all along and as i said even in the midst of the confusion, nothing spoil, but it's now been established as thus.

The end of atheism is indeed nigh!

frank317:
Twill not work like that na... U must accept Jesus by blind faith. Just believe with no prove. Believe in ur mind that Jesus died for ur sins and created hell in case u don't accept him and this is perfect love.

Jesusjnr has been avoiding me o

jesusjnr:
OK buda e do! I have heard you.

It two down but you have to stop complicating things unnecessarily, and be ready to portray so wherever you go, and to whomever you know, for if you say two down and then one and half it causes unwarranted confusion.

I was never trying to put you into a box, because as you can clearly see, I refused to be put into any box myself, except the box of my Master's saying which is the only necessary box as far as the church goes if you ask me.

It's okay for us to disagree on somethings but let's be united by the Truth, which is Jesus, and have Him be what we have in common.

Welcome again buda, welcome.

Sorry for not understanding you at first, but at least now you have cleared matters up, so that i'm now doubly sure that when you said it's two atheists down, it was actually two atheists down, and not one and half.

God be with buda!

And with you too, jesus, always.

frank317:
U must accept Jesus by blind faith. Just believe with no prove. Believe in ur mind that Jesus died for ur sins....

No, you do not need to "accept Jesus by blind faith"! You might be told to accept Jesus by blind faith when you are a child, but you must indeed grow up someday and consider what you have blind faith in and test if is true or not and worth having faith in. And no, I do not mean, true that Jesus was born of a virgin and all such things, but whether it is true or not that Jesus "died for your sins". And in order to do that you'd likely have to translate words like sin, faith, hell, and even, died and Jesus, into English. And then, it's still not a 'must', but a choice.

So, in grown up English, you might 'learn' how Jesus lived so that you too may learn not to live in 'error' for the reward of error is 'pain'. You just imagine the sort of people who would be your neighbours if Jesus (logos, knowledge, the truth, the proper or at least better way to live), had not been taught. You'd likely find your neighbours would be unevolved apes who'd delight in slapping you first, amongst other nasty things they'd likely do to you.

As for atheism dying. Funny that a religious person would not understand that the "poor in spirit will always be amongst us". The difficultly of understanding religious jesusy language I suppose.

jesusjnr:
Correction!

Yahweh has already finished the work in the respect of "two atheist down", for it's been confirmed that it's indeed two atheist down.

So I have been right all along and a i said even in the midst of the confusion, nothing spoil, but now been established as thus.

The end of atheism is indeed nigh!

My advise, don't even be so sure of the other 1, the lady, she does not sound convincing. I know u Christians are gullible, but remove the bible from ur head and put the brain in, and u will see her thread of dumping atheism was put up to please u and she has not story to tell.

frank317:
My advise, don't even be so sure of the other 1, the lady, she does not sound convincing. I know u Christians are gullible, but remove the bible from ur head and put the brain in, and u will see her thread of dumping atheism was put up to please u and she has not story to tell.

So you couldn't even pretend a lil bit, at least let me still think that you have been worth my time with you, and are not being driven by sentiments with respect to you being an atheist?

For if it was in the favor of atheists then you would forget about having doubts, but it's only when it comes to Jesus now that it would now become questionable to you, if true or not?

At least you can clearly see the diff between me and you, for i'm not driven by sentiments but by the truth, that's why I wasn't willing to settle for 1½, because it's doesn't exist.

But you remind of most of the church folks here who are sentimental as you are, and you are only an atheist version of them.

A Satan zombie wants to advise me, Lol! Nothing wey person no go see for this world, chei jesusjnr don suffer!

Budaatum i'm embarrassed that it's this kind of zombie that I gave any manner of consideration to question your saying that it was 2 atheist down.

So as far as this moniker goes, the end is not even just nigh, but already history, unless something drastic happens.

Such a waste!

jesusjnr:
Budaatum i'm embarrassed that it's this kind of zombie that I gave any manner of consideration to question your saying that it was 2 atheist down.

Such a waste!

Embarrassed? Why the Jonah attitude? Don't you have girded loins, a breastplate of righteousness, shod feet, a shield of faith, a helmet of salvation and an armour of truth to deploy to quench the fiery darts of the wicked who peddle ignorance that leads to perdition? Know ye not that Jonahs end up as vomited whale food? I wonder what you'd have done if he had nails and two by fours!

God Almighty does not create Satan zombies! Spray the Power of Jesus which is love, and knees will bow!

hahn:
Jesusjnr has been avoiding me o

Avoiding you ke? Nah!

However tell me Hahn, what has been the benefit of not avoiding you, for in spite of all the time I've spent on your case what has come out of it?

But I wasn't avoiding you at all in fact I had long planned to respond to your post, but wasn't ready yet.

But if you still think I was avoiding you, then you may have to ask, Lreed, Hpagan, Fbel, etc to understand what me avoiding someone actually means.

But there's just something about you, I don't know if it's the fact that you seem to bring out the best of God in me, or maybe the fact that you just know when to back down, and not keep chasing a lost cause as some others do, or maybe something else that makes me to still feel like not putting an end to our conversations, in spite of the fact that we've had many interactions, probably more than most.

That's why I was really disappointed that you of all people would accuse me of fabricating Michelle's conversion, I mean what would I have stood to benefit if it was a fake conversion story, especially after putting through all the insults and disapproval from most of the church here, and then all I would get to show for it would be a fake conversion story?

You can at least look up to see how I first reacted to buda's 1½ talk, for i'd rather have 1 than 1½, for that's how serious it is for me, it has to be sure, otherwise I won't be here taking this nonsense.

Now to the miracles part, that is the easy part according to God, for He said that my part was the hard part, but that I've done it, so what left is the easy part, even His own part. For the problem has never been God but man, for man is hardly ever willing to do his own part, even the hard part.

That's why you see me stopping at nothing to make sure I do the hard part, in spite of all the insults and disapproval of most church folks here, because the reason God easy part of miracles and works dried up was because man has hardly been doing his own part.

So the easy part of works and wonders and miracles are definitely going to happen in a way that believe me has not happened in recent times, that's why I said that the end of atheism is nigh, because that is easily the cure for atheism.

Now so it's not going to be a big deal if you believe in Jesus after that happens, for many also would, but what's going to be a big deal, is to believe even before you see the works, for that's is what is hard to do.

As you can see Michelle didn't have to wait to see the works to believe, buda didn't have wait, even I didn't have to wait to see the works first for me to believe, but it was only long after I believed that I began to feel the presence of God in my bones to an extent that it's impossible to doubt that God was not with me and that He doesn't exist.

Jesus said:

Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. John 20:29 (KJV)

So the works are definitely going to take place and you would be able to behold them with your own eyes, but are you going to wait to see the works first before you believe?

jesusjnr:
Avoiding you ke? Nah!

However tell me Hahn, what has been the benefit of not avoiding you, for in spite of all the time I've spent on your case what has come out of it?

But I wasn't avoiding you at all in fact I had long planned to respond to your post, but wasn't ready yet.

But if you still think I was avoiding you, then you may have to ask, Lreed, Hpagan, Fbel, etc to understand what me avoiding someone actually means.

But there's just something about you, I don't know if it's the fact that you seem to bring out the best of God in me, or maybe the fact that you just know when to back down, and not keep chasing a lost cause as some others do, or maybe something else that makes me to still feel like not putting an end to our conversations, in spite of the fact that we've had many interactions, probably more than most.

That's why I was really disappointed that you of all people would accuse me of fabricating Michelle's conversion, I mean what would I have stood to benefit if it was a fake conversion story, especially after putting through all the insults and disapproval from most of the church here, and then all I would get to show for it would be a fake conversion story?

You can at least look up to see how I first reacted to buda's 1½ talk, for i'd rather have 1 than 1½, for that's how serious it is for me, it has to be sure, otherwise I won't be here taking this nonsense.

Now to the miracles part, that is the easy part according to God, for He said that my part was the hard part, but that I've done it, so what left is the easy part, even His own part. For the problem has never been God but man, for man is hardly ever willing to do his own part, even the hard part.

That's why you see me stopping at nothing to make sure I do the hard part, in spite of all the insults and disapproval of most church folks here, because the reason God easy part of miracles and works dried up was because man has hardly been doing his own part.

So the easy part of works and wonders and miracles are definitely going to happen in a way that believe me has not happened in recent times, that's why I said that the end of atheism is nigh, because that is easily the cure for atheism.

Now so it's not going to be a big deal if you believe in Jesus after that happens, for many also would, but what's going to be a big deal, is to believe even before you see the works, for that's is what is hard to do.

As you can see Michelle didn't have to wait to see the works to believe, buda didn't have wait, even I didn't have to wait to see the works first for me to believe, but it was only long after I believed that I began to feel the presence of God in my bones to an extent that it's impossible to doubt that God was not with me and that He doesn't exist.

Jesus said:

Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. John 20:29 (KJV)

So the works are definitely going to take place and you would be able to behold them with your own eyes, but are you going to wait to see the works first before you believe?

Yes. The works before belief

Can we set up a date?

hahn:
Yes. The works before belief

Can we set up a date?

If so, you would get to see the works, as every body else on the same day that atheism would be cured.

And it is nigh!

jesusjnr:
If so, you would get to see the works, as every body else on the same day that atheism would be cured.

And it is nigh!

But the cure for your delusion isn't

hahn:
But the cure for your delusion isn't

Because there can't possibly be a cure to being perfectly well and healthy, but only a disease, disorder, illness, problem, ailment, sickness, etc., called Satan zombismethylamidophenyldipyrazoloneystoureteropyelonephritis which you're obviously suffering from as we speak.

And in the less severe cases of the zombistic disease, it is curable by works, as it just requires the proof of God's existence to cure it. #theendofatheismisnigh

However there are the most severe cases of the disease where it has become fully blown which even if God comes down from heaven Himself, that would not be enough to cure it, and from the symptoms you're exhibiting, I'm suspecting that's the level yours has degenerated to.

However there's still hope for you Hahn, as your own case is not yet hopeless, just incase, so that you don't go and hang yourself, as even at that severe and fully blown stage of that disease, there is still a cure for it.

And it is called repentance!

So repent Hahn and your disease shall be fully cured!