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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by Princedapace(m): 7:42pm On Mar 01, 2019
Obi1kenobi:


1) Two of us know that that guy is Igbo.
2) Even if he were not Igbo, the psychopaths online that were cheering his stupidity were over 90% Igbo.
It's best you confront evil like this in its infancy, so we don't lose our humanity because of deep-seethed hatred. Because cheering at such treatment of a poor, desperate beggar is inhumanity to man. Cheering the misfortune of others is pure, unadulterated evil and has to be called out when seen.

My bro, do u know how many yoruba G boys I know today who are saying the same thing about never giving money to northern beggars?

Make una stop this nonsense.. How would u simply conclude that u and I know it is igbo guy? That means u are also habouring hate.

And, any sane Nigerian is quite tired of a system that is not working and since these people make up the greater number of voters, they laugh at other regions for not having high number of people for voting, yet they consistute the highest number of beggars, it is rationale to withdraw any form of support.

All my guys I know who work online, be it igbo or Yoruba have said the same thing. No more giving free money to those who will simply vote in leaders who are incompetent all becus the leaders are from their region and religion. No more.

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by Willed042(m): 7:42pm On Mar 01, 2019
Corrinthians:
I would cut straight to the chase here because I have never felt so appalled by such brazen display of HATE in my whole life.

The 2019 elections have come and gone, and expectedly, there are the victors and the losers, and those whose mighty egos have been bruised, somewhat irreparably. Unfortunately, those who pride themselves as the beacons of literacy and civility have been the ones displaying the worst signs of barbarism and illiteracy.

A video has emerged of a guy, presumably an Atiku/Obi supporter, rebuffing a beggar who approached him, simply because the beggar is of Northern origin! More surprising than the brazen display of hate towards a destitute, are the comments which have trailed the video, especially on this forum. To those who seem to applaud the callous and shameful display of RAW HATE, the beggar deserves it because they aided the reelection of Buhari.

Now, the following questions arise, and these are questions a human with the heart and brain of a human, should ask themselves.

1. Majority of those who claim the election was a sham and that the actual winner is Atiku/obi, what more evidence does one need to prove they dont believe themselves when they say that?

If indeed you believe Atiku/obi won the election, isnt it then likely that AT LEAST 40% of those northerners voted them? We are talking about millions of people here. Allow that sink for a moment.

Therefore, if millions of those people did vote Atiku/obi, then, chances are there's a healthy probably that person towards whom you are directing your hate actually voted the same candidate you voted!!! How then do you justify your HATE for him?? Can you see how hate blinds reason?

2. If you claim Atiku/obi won but rigged out, what exactly concerns a beggar with rigging? Would someone who rigged an election be on the streets bagging? Do you think any of those people seen in those disgusting videos where folks were thumb printing rims after rims of ballot papers would have anything doing in the streets begging? Do the people you saw in those videos look anything like these beggars to you?

3. We take pride in our religion as Christians and those who are seen applauding the barbaric act are same folks who claim to be Christian's and speak of some phantom islamization agenda. Now, what I would like to ask is, what part of our religion encourage such acts of wickedness and hate? Isnt LOVE itself the greatest virtue of Christianity? Or is there some other brand of Christianity out there which we are oblivious of?

As a matter of fact, both frontline contenders to the office are from THE SAME REGION AND RELIGION, so why have we chosen to become so embittered by the loss of one of them? Or is the reaction born more out of Obi's defeat than it is Atiku's?

We thought we had seen it all as per the hate these folks are capable of after jonathan's loss, but from what we are seeing, it is instructive that we the good citizens of this country brave ourselves for the worse. Unfortunately, those pushing us to the precipice happen to be the most dispersed people across this country. There is hardly any corner of the country where you dont find their kith and kin doing business. What then do they think would be the fate of their loved ones if shiit hits the fan? What exactly is there to gain from this show of shame?

The APC endured opposition for sixteen long years under which period they suffered needless damages and oppression by agents of the state. We never saw them demonstrate such vileness. Why then is it so difficult for the pdp and her supporters to stomach just FIVE YEARS of opposition? Had the supporters of APC acted the way we see these guys act today, would there really be any country left to scramble over today? What is there to gain from burning down a country to whose leadership you aspire? Are you planning on ruling over her ashes?

I think it is time the government of the day uses all the resources within her powers, especially with the incoming NASS, to bring some sanity into the social media space before it consumes the country. China is doing it and heavens have yet to fall!!! As a matter of fact, one is tempted to think Nigerians aren't civilised enough to have access to social media if the things we see there every day is anything to go by. Ironically, the people who boast of being civilised are the ones pushing the boundaries of hate on the internet!

There should be a clampdown on those propagating hate in whichever form. If they can't learn to accept defeat like civilised humans do, then they should have no business having their inflammable opinions broadcasted to the general public. Let them keep that pollution to their nuclear families. angry angry

Thank you.
Oga if there need be a clamp down, it starts from
1 You the op because you couldn't comment or profess your opinion without mentioning a particular tribe. When does the opinion of one or two person of a tribe represent the general belief of that particular tribe. the way you marshal your points itself is hate
2 the clampdown itself will end up bringing this forum down cause i bet you this forum has created more divide than inter ethnic relationship resulting from its comments section.

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by LazyGold(m): 7:44pm On Mar 01, 2019
oilPUSSY:

I am aware at the bolded..

If other tribe can't understand those dialects, then not all Yoruba can understand it..

First they will ask you where you come from, then they will ask you to pronounce some words or sentence in Your local Dialects grin Even IFE and MODAKEKE were abled to singled out themselves due to their different dialects, if you are a Yoruba living in Nigeria you must be able to speak in Your Local Dialects because it is part of you. If IFE and MODAKEKE could fight themselves despite having the same Cultures and Language, and If Yoruba Could Experienced Civil War among themselves to the Extent that some tribes got extincted despite having same Culture, then there is no way other tribe can escape any Violence or get any upper hand just because you know the Culture and Language. The Best thing is to avoid it but don't think you can have any benefits just because you know the Language and Culture Yoruba is deeper than you think.

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by Gandollar(f): 7:44pm On Mar 01, 2019
Corrinthians:
I take your comment in good faith. Choke in hell with Buhari I might. But I'm glad we both agree beggars dont deserve such, especially coming form a Christian.

North, south, east, west, my heart bleeds whenever I see the poor and helpless, let alone someone treating them shabbily all for the sake of political. That video cut me real deep I had to write this piece. I had sworn never to create a thread on the forum. Just had to vent on this one.

God help us all.
God has deserted you for this foolish thread you opened!!!

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by JuanDeDios: 7:44pm On Mar 01, 2019
Ziggylady:


That is the point of this stuppid thread as well the fact that numerous people agree with him not giving the beggar money

I honestly will not stop giving to northern needy folks cos i actually bought food and drink to a shoe-cobbler who asked me for money to buy food on my way to lunch from my office yesterday cos he pleaded with me he had not made any sales and was hungry.

.I didnt have the heart to turn him away...


But that is just me..
Mother Theresa. Yea, that's the point of this thread. Those of us who thought it's about the reason given for not giving were reading it upside down. Until along came Mother Einstein Ziggylady Theresa to explain it all.
Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by Emyjeze(m): 7:45pm On Mar 01, 2019
Corrinthians:
Someone has to do the talking at some point. We all can't fold our hands and watch these vile beasts bring our country to ruins simply because they can't stomach the feeling of defeat for eight years. The same shut others did for twice as long!

I am at this point imagining boycotting all igbo businesses honestly! The hate from them is nauseating.
lols... Bycotting all igbo business?? What a mentality. And you think that will keep them from prospering or it will end up crushing their business. . . . Buy sence man, is quite cheap in the north.

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by sonature1: 7:45pm On Mar 01, 2019
Corrinthians:
It is just appalling. The traditional rulers in south east should call their subjects to order. This attitude we see them put up, especially online, might soon start bearing real fruits with substance.

I just don't understand the hurt! Would this be the first time someone loses an election? Why do they keep making the same mistakes time and again?

U will always look for a way to drag Igbos into your madness!

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by Gandollar(f): 7:46pm On Mar 01, 2019
Obi1kenobi:
I'm Igbo and that video is shameful. We cannot waste the next 4 years perpetuating the same cycle of bitterness and hate we've promoted the last 4 years. If that happens again, 2023 will be another disappointing year. Build bridges. Build alliances. Reach out to others. Make a reasoned case to be brought back to the fold of Nigerian leadership after decades of being ignored since the civil war. The same people who are targets of your hate today are the people you would need tomorrow. Biko, don't spend the next 4 years of Buhari's administration perpetuating this hatred.

That video and the reactions to it was disgusting and inhumane. It really cut me deep that there are psychopaths that think there is anything to justify treating a beggar that way. It is disgusting and if you think it is justifiable for any reason, you're a dangerous psychopath. If you don't want to give a beggar money, that is your damn prerogative and right. Hold your money. Ridiculing a beggar is morally repugnant and I couldn't imagine myself doing it. I've said this with brutal honesty, but many Igbos don't want to hear the truth. On cyberspace (whether Whatsapp, Facebook or wherever) Ndigbo since Buhari became President are comfortably Nigeria's number one peddlers of hate. Too much anger. Too much hatred. Too much bitter emotion. It is scary.
Your education is a waste Oga. I'll say no more.

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by bionixs: 7:46pm On Mar 01, 2019
MANDIPUTIN:
Its my money and I will decide on how or whom to reach out to(the less privilege). Christianity didn't say if you didn't give to almajiri or someone from the North you seize to be a Christian. A lot of business have crumbled due to the archaic policies and programs of the Buhari administration which has rendered a lot of people hopeless,helpless and out Jobs and businesses. I believe a lot of people voted Atiku/Obi not because they're the best but because they believe he'll initiate friendly policies/programs that will encourage SMEs and Entrepreneurship drive.Pls don't bring 'trader money'or NPOWER', because the China you use as an illustration in your babaric quest to stifle the voice of the voiceless through the regulations of the social media, They(China) didn't grow her economy by given traders 10K or handing out handouts in the name of NPOWER. If you you intend to copy China,pls copy In Total.
don't mind them. they think we are dumb. standing under the sun for hours to vote, only to be chased away by state sponsored thugs and had the votes burnt as the police look the other way,INEC kept mute. Now their dumb senseless policy tears my business apart,put me under the burden of taxation; now someone is telling me who to share my hard earned money with. Let sai baba feed them

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by Dino98: 7:46pm On Mar 01, 2019
MANDIPUTIN:
Its my money and I will decide on how or whom to reach out to(the less privilege). Christianity didn't say if you didn't give to almajiri or someone from the North you seize to be a Christian. A lot of business have crumbled due to the archaic policies and programs of the Buhari administration which has rendered a lot of people hopeless,helpless and out Jobs and businesses. I believe a lot of people voted Atiku/Obi not because they're the best but because they believe he'll initiate friendly policies/programs that will encourage SMEs and Entrepreneurship drive.Pls don't bring 'trader money'or NPOWER', because the China you use as an illustration in your babaric quest to stifle the voice of the voiceless through the regulations of the social media, They(China) didn't grow her economy by given traders 10K or handing out handouts in the name of NPOWER. If you you intend to copy China,pls copy In Total.

To buy you chicken and chips hungry me.

God bless you richly.

The truth is we can never tell if Atiku/Obi would have been bad for us or if they would have been a blessing....but one thing we were sure of was that both men are more intelligent and insightful than Buhari.

We have to grow past PDP and APC, and rally behind whoever has more to offer, who has a better policy. If they fail, we kick them out in 4years....even Ghanaians that we are smarter than, do it.

People say its NPower and 10k tradermoni we need to be developed or have a better Nigeria.

If we are being honest, its extremely difficult to find a clean politician in Nigeria or Africa as a whole...PDP and APC are the same people being reshuffled...what we should be looking at for is who has more to offer.

Maybe I am wrong but for me that was Atiku...cos besides his economic policies, he would have been a bridge between the North and the South, unlike the incumbent who is pro-North.

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by iammo(m): 7:47pm On Mar 01, 2019
Ziggylady:



Who is this almajiri again?..na wa embarassed

Hate consumes and very counter productive, imagine someone's future parent who hate can't let him/her condemn mocking online of a less privilege

Anyways hate kills, it ended many lives in the civil war,, same thing consume some of you in S.A through xenophobia
Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by Fatherofdragons: 7:47pm On Mar 01, 2019
grin Wey the Igbo hating benue rat dey? The guy don run leave em thread.

HATE BEGETS HATE, it's a vicious cycle.

Continue!!!! cool

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by ILLarii: 7:48pm On Mar 01, 2019
The hate started from the military era n civil war u can't expect the south to be happy n by the way let the good name "buhari" solve their financial problems not begging on the streets like its a job

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by Nobody: 7:48pm On Mar 01, 2019
panmunium:
Every sensible Nigerian didn't celebrate the dullards winning because he has no policies yo revamp this nation, am from the north and will never support this administration
Which part of the North?
Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by Ziggylady(f): 7:50pm On Mar 01, 2019
JuanDeDios:

Mother Theresa. Yea, that's the point of this thread. Those of us who thought it's about the reason given for not giving were reading it upside down. Until along came Mother Einstein Ziggylady Theresa to explain it all.

Bye.

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by IGrey(m): 7:50pm On Mar 01, 2019
stupidity everywhere... If you can do this to a beggar simply because buhari is Hausa then you should also do it to the Yoruba's since osinbanjo is Yoruba and also to your fellow Igbo's who voted for buhari... Most of the fools parading themselves as atiku supporters don't even know a thing about his restructure for Nigeria... Nigerians fight for ppl that don't know em n make enemies out of the ones they know..so pathetic

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by Mouthgag: 7:51pm On Mar 01, 2019
Fatherofdragons:


grin Shut up u hypocritical yoruber bigot, the guy in that video is not igbo.

You yorubers are so despicable. " Spits"
Shut up

You frustrated is alusi flat head pigs are so unreasonable and miserable.
I spit on your flat heads.

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by Fidelismaria: 7:51pm On Mar 01, 2019
Gandollar:
I stopped giving those Bambialas money over 10yrs ago the day I discovered that after the day's job, these dreggs retire to wherever they perch and begin to wash all the money they received claiming it was giving by infidels!! embarassed

Still, those who decide not to give them again on political grounds are within their rights to do so.
After all, buhari called them 5% without an apology.

This OP turned pastor is brimming with hate for SE himself so I wonder what morals he's got to accuse another. Yeye!

Lol

Are you for real?

You mean they really wash the money given to them?

shocked

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by ILLarii: 7:51pm On Mar 01, 2019
Dino98:


To buy you chicken and chips hungry me.

God bless you richly.

The truth is we can never tell if Atiku/Obi would have been bad for us or if they would have been a blessing....but one thing we were sure of was that both men are more intelligent and insightful than Buhari.

We have to grow past PDP and APC, and rally behind whoever has more to offer, who has a better policy. If they fail, we kick them out in 4years....even Ghanaians that we are smarter than, do it.

People say its NPower and 10k tradermoni we need to be developed or have a better Nigeria.

If we are being honest, its extremely difficult to find a clean politician in Nigeria or Africa as a whole...PDP and APC are the same people being reshuffled...what we should be looking at for is who has more to offer.

Maybe I am wrong but for me that was Atiku...cos besides his economic policies, he would have been a bridge between the North and the South, unlike the incumbent who is pro-North.


Use the word nepotism it justifies his 4years in office

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by brainbox80: 7:51pm On Mar 01, 2019
CAN'T YOU JUST SEE THAT YOU ARE NOT MAKING ANY SENSE HERE? GO GIVE YOUR LIFE TO THE ALMAJIRIS IF YOU WANT TO AND LEAVE 'MR B' IF HE DOESN'T -- JUST POCKET YOUR DAMN MORAL 'COS NO ONE NEEDS IT NOW. HEY, I THINK THOSE BEGGAR GUYS NEED SOME REAL BRAIN, OKAY. If you know you know.
Corrinthians:
Stop trying to whitewash the shameful display of hate.

Who says giving is compulsory? What was his REASON for refusing to give? That is the crux of the matter here. Why must he even make a video of it in the first place?

This ember you people are stoking, remember, remember, your brothers are littered throughout the length and breath of this country!!

What is so difficult accommodating a situation which you had others accommodate for sixteen years for just eight years? Why are you people like this?

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by LazyGold(m): 7:52pm On Mar 01, 2019
Gandollar:
Oga not for people like me that read Efusetan Aniwura and Alawiye books. I'm sure you were not born then.

Even if you read the Book that doesn't mean anything.
Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by Gandollar(f): 7:52pm On Mar 01, 2019
Emmanuel226:
when i dey talk am say Atiku and PDP supporters, dey wicked and heartless person go think say i just hate them
You are crying because they didn't give you alms, don't go and work you hia. If buhari had lost, you lots would have killed all Southerners living amongst you whether christains or moslems.

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by nextstep(m): 7:52pm On Mar 01, 2019
OP,

Somebody was making posts about how the North thinks they need to hold on to power because they don't have giants of commerce, industry, education, etc, so power was all they could.

https://www.nairaland.com/5046825/north-never-told-us-not

I found it sad that instead of Northern leaders emulating the well-proven examples of other societies and peoples around the world - emphasizing education and empowering their children so that they too can become giants of commerce, industry, science and technology - they prefer to keep them shackled in poverty and oppression, using religious dogma as the chains. I'm not even sure what their purpose is - I would assume everyone would want their people to progress and be successful.

The government that was re-elected is part of that Northern elite that produces the vast number of beggars who have been disenfranchised since birth; denied education; denied vaccinations (which would eradicate all the cases of polio and other such diseases); denied self-determination.

If I have 200 Naira, I will use it to buy chalk for my local schools in Asaba, rather than give it to a class of people who insist on empowering the very same people that are the source of their predicament. If they need alms, they should refer to their elite in the North - the ones with billion-naira weddings in Dubai, who line the walls of their homes with gold, and wear the finest threads while holding $105,000 purses.

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by Simeon88(m): 7:52pm On Mar 01, 2019
Corrinthians:
Someone has to do the talking at some point. We all can't fold our hands and watch these vile beasts bring our country to ruins simply because they can't stomach the feeling of defeat for eight years. The same shut others did for twice as long!

I am at this point imagining boycotting all igbo businesses honestly! The hate from them is nauseating.
Bro please how are you sure the guy in the video is from the east?

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by Ziggylady(f): 7:53pm On Mar 01, 2019
iammo:


Hate consumes and very counter productive, imagine someone's future parent who hate can't let him/her condemn mocking online of a less privilege

Anyways hate kills, it ended many lives in the civil war,, same thing consume some of you in S.A through xenophobia


Aww what a nice speech from a fake bigot undecided..very rich coming from you indeed..

.Like i said earlier we know the World is about to end when the DEVIL accuses you of being evil..

Bye.

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by Nobody: 7:53pm On Mar 01, 2019
The fool don run leave him thread wawa kowai grin

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by Nobody: 7:54pm On Mar 01, 2019
stephleena:
lol..u are really hurt..doh!
In as much as, Christianity is all about love,loving your neighbours as yourself that doesn't mean u should go blind, when you see the truth staring at u...and the truth is these northerners don't want help, they detest
t progress, as long as their brother is in power.. they love power even to the detriment of their well being .

You were part of the people hailing them,calling them "kingmakers".. despite the kings coming from their midst, what do they have to show it?..

Even the Bible say,he that hates work, should not eat.. if they could queue up as early as 2 a.m,to vote,they should have the strength to work..

Eyah if only Atiku and Obi managed to win. grin
Very funny how the two main contenders are from the same NORTH and both MUSLIMS yet it's the people from outside the North that feel most pained because the North chose a NORTHERN over another NORTHERN.


VERY CONFUSED SET OF HUMAN BEINGS.

As if their queueing as early as 2a.m is not to vote one from among themselves a NORTHERN.

The only strength most of you have is to come on line and be making noise.

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by mccoyelectric: 7:54pm On Mar 01, 2019
Haha haha.. It's really funny that u r preaching about love... U v Neva loved us... Even wen we marry ur women u hate us and want to kill us and take over our property... Yoruba's see Igbomen as fools... Ritualist... Money miss road... Meanwhile Na dem get native doctor pass... We suffered for 4yrs... My Aboki at work will complain about baba.... Tell me his wife born I ll give him 5k out of good hart... Sometimes 3k but wen election reach he started doing 4+4 sign for me... Tomorrow he will come and meet me again Na! Who is the fool.... Let dem eat from Buhari simple... They deserve to rule so let their president take care of them finish... Wen I want to give I ll go to motherless babies home in east and give the children. Who need help... Dis is just the begining of the next level

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by victorvezx(m): 7:54pm On Mar 01, 2019
ILLarii:
The hate started from the military era n civil war u can't expect the south to be happy n by the way let the good name "buhari" solve their financial problems not begging on the streets like its a job
And since the civil war and he military regime now, u can’t mention one thing the south has gained with all the hatred. Lol
Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by Emotionss: 7:55pm On Mar 01, 2019
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Corrinthians:
It is just appalling. The traditional rulers in south east should call their subjects to order. This attitude we see them put up, especially online, might soon start bearing real fruits with substance.

I just don't understand the hurt! Would this be the first time someone loses an election? Why do they keep making the same mistakes time and again?

Look at pot calling kettle black.
Op if there's anyone that should raise this issue it shouldn't be you because your level of hate to the people of South east is soooooo obvious.

Nevertheless the people of South east should please take it easy with this display of Hate because in time it may deprive them a lot of things in the future.

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by Gandollar(f): 7:55pm On Mar 01, 2019
Banter1:
look at this 5% o. you people needs to change your mindset or you will remain a slave forever in your own country. You guys should stop following the footsteps of your fathers, they are not helping you guys and they are not telling you guys the truth, cause if you guys know the truth you will all stop following them. they hate you guys for real bro, wise up and let's join hands and move this country into a better place.
Thanks but no thanks. Goan educate the teeming illiterate northerners, they are the reason for your backwardness not Igbos.

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Re: Video Of Hausa-fulani Beggar: Matters Arising by bionixs: 7:55pm On Mar 01, 2019
mcbreeze:
Nigerians and their wahala.
We said we won't vote ,problem. We later agreed to vote, problem. We turned out to vote and you pursued us, we cried, problem. You did election as you like, we kept quite, problem. We said we are not giving alms again to beggars, problem. You closed our shops, we did nothing about it, problem.
Abeg, Let me ask you, Is it your money? Is it your hustle? Why are you pained? I thought you love poverty and backwardness.
Giving is from the heart not by force.
don't mind them. Next level na. no body should complain

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