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Maximus69:
This is the main reason why i said 'i'm not ready for arguments' i just asked a simple question regarding your none denominational religion and instead of going straight to the answer you've posted three questions !
Baptism is of utmost importance according to Jesus,and his followers takes it seriously but if you are a none denominational believer on social media,how will baptizing new converts take place?
Please JWs do give direct answers through their study aids that will help an interested person know exactly what needs to be done. So if you can't do the same it's OK,as for me i'll ask questions that's disturbing my mind based on what each so called believer presents and if you can't answer then i'll simply take it that you're not in the best position to be addressed with such inquiry period!

I hope you know questions are meant to THINKER with your KNOWLEDGE and THOUGHT about what the questions raised. You have equally not responded to numerous questions raised from about what you have come to ACCEPT as CORRECT BIBLE TEACHINGS from your BIBLE STUDY CONDUCTOR.

Go and read all the account of baptism as contained in the scriptures, obviously your bible study CONDUCTOR don't SPOON FEED you all the TIME. You do carryout research of your own sometimes, then comeback and relate your findings let's reason together.

Then the ETHIOPIAN EUNUCH that was BAPTIZED and numerous cases in the Scriptures, was it by DENOMINATION or NON DENOMINATION? The answer you chose is the answer you SEEK.

Concerning how such baptisms take place, How was Ethiopian eunuch baptized?

As a note to aid your research...... BAPTISM has nothing to do with becoming a member of some CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS but symbolizes ONE’S PUBLICLY MADE CONFESSION of FAITH in GOD’S SON and “an APPEAL to GOD for a GOOD CONSCIENCE, through the RESURRECTION of JESUS CHRIST. Romans 10: 9,10, 1 Peter 3:20,21

Is the SYMBOL more IMPORTANT than WHAT it stands for? Another question for you to ponder.

achorladey:
Since you have your opinion about NON DENOMINATION CHRISTIAN keep it to yourself, don't go about posting and stating CATEGORICALLY things you are not sure of concerning NON DENOMINATION CHRISTIANS. The reason why Johnw47 and brocab keep responding to your post is because of this.


Maximus69: Jehovah's Witnesses teaches that it's ONLY their members that will survive the judgment day{though not all their followers}.

Achorladey: From what I posted earlier concerning this, what the GB and JWs believe is CONFLICTING. It was YES in the watchtower study articles but on the FAQ it was capital NO. and it went further to state it all DEPENDS on JESUS CHRIST.


Maximus69: Going by what i've learnt from them so far,whoever lived before the commencement of THEIR PREACHING and TEACHING PROGRAM will be weighed base on conscience, so whatever such a person believes doesn't count.

Achorladey: Where in the scriptures it is stated that PEOPLE'S SALVATION and CONSCIENCE will be BASED and JUDGED on the PREACHING and TEACHING PROGRAM of the GOVERNING BODY of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES and Jws as it were.
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Maximus69: But WHOEVER NOTICED their PEACEFUL PREACHING and TEACHING program,yet IGNORE,snub,make jest or OPPOSE them is on the danger list! Matthew 10:14,15.

Achorladey: If the JWS have not done so to the PEACEFUL PREACHING and TEACHING program of other CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS let them be the FIRST to CAST the STONE and be FREE from DANGER LIST.

It is just what i've perceived from their teaching technique, take note 'they're not that presumptuous when answering sensitive questions like this'.
I knew Jesus sent his followers out to preach and teach people about his father's Kingdom, most people rejected that message and oppositions is coming from all sides.
The topic of this thread shows the mindset of the owner,who belongs to a specific religious organization that also separates itself from others. The 'Deeperlife' is not a member of CAN for a reason best know to the founder,and all you commentators now are claiming NONE DENOMINATIONAL.
What i'm perceiving is just the same criticism those first century Jews posed against Jesus and his followers. Because i can't understand why you're all criticizing JWs when the owner of this thread is totally opposed to the none denominational ideology.
Pastor W.F. Kumuyi is the one and only preacher that his members revere, no staunch deeperlife member listens or count on the preaching of any other so called pastors!
Yet a member of such a group now posed a vilifying question against another SELF~ESTEEMED religious group,and all of you just join in typing against the group in question!
Haba! If truthfully you guys are sincere with this your none denominational stuff,why not first help the owner of the thread to change his thought regarding other religious group before joining him to castigate JWs

achorladey:
I hope you know questions are meant to THINKER with your KNOWLEDGE and THOUGHT about what the questions raised. You have equally not responded to numerous questions raised from about what you have come to ACCEPT as CORRECT BIBLE TEACHINGS from your BIBLE STUDY CONDUCTOR.

Go and read all the account of baptism as contained in the scriptures, obviously your bible study CONDUCTOR don't SPOON FEED you all the TIME. You do carryout research of your own sometimes, then comeback and relate your findings let's reason together.

Then the ETHIOPIAN EUNUCH that was BAPTIZED and numerous cases in the Scriptures, was it by DENOMINATION or NON DENOMINATION? The answer you chose is the answer you SEEK.

Concerning how such baptisms take place, How was Ethiopian eunuch baptized?

As a note to aid your research...... BAPTISM has nothing to do with becoming a member of some CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS but symbolizes ONE’S PUBLICLY MADE CONFESSION of FAITH in GOD’S SON and “an APPEAL to GOD for a GOOD CONSCIENCE, through the RESURRECTION of JESUS CHRIST. Romans 10: 9,10, 1 Peter 3:20,21

Is the SYMBOL more IMPORTANT than WHAT it stands for? Another question for you to ponder.

You need to know a little about my journey. I'm a soldier Sir, the first assignment of a soldier is IDENTIFYING the central controlling unit,then the special authentic instructor sent to lead the group,through whom we all learn about our mission. Without having these three objectives in mind,that soldier is useless to the army!
According to the JWs, Jehovah is the supreme God the one whose will is to be carried out. Jesus is the commander in chief of Jehovah's heavenly and earthly army,the GB{serving in the office of Apostles today} are the group overseeing the entire army in the central unit,the Bible is the map to study in order to carry out a successful mission, my Bible study conductor is serving as a soldier on a rescue mission to save me from approaching enemies and lead me safely to their camp. Now from my Bible{map}, i can see myself as a civilian{spiritually speaking} and there is impending danger but i don't know anything more. So it's my Bible study conductor that has helped me to study the map together,explain the mission of the enemies and their strategy,taught me from the map the safe passage to the camp,those overseeing the well-being of all refugees in the name of the commander in chief!
You're also coming in the name of the same commander in chief of the army but every other questions regarding the overseers,the camp and the squadron{group carrying out the mission}.
What else do you expect from me than to start asking you certain intelligent questions and getting straightforward answers? Before i can forget about the first set and begin trusting you,you must identify yourself and the squadron with which you're working!
Now you don't belong to any group{squadron},how do you expect me to see you as one of the soldiers under the command of the chief of army staff?

@achorladey
I've been reading and meditating on your comments for long,and i thought to myself 'this man has a good mission,he doesn't discriminate so to him whoever confesses Jesus is a Christian'
That's why i initially ruled out every other commentator so as to concentrate on you,my intention is to know how all Christians can be united as one.
The signals i was getting from your responses gradually cooled off the anxiety i had at first,because you kept talking about JWs instead of addressing my question. And to worsen matters you started asking counter questions as if i'm taking sides!
Now this is another thread belonging to a staunch deeperlife member who has been condemning other religious groups e.g Catholics. I never expected you'll come here without challenging his beliefs since you're the only one i've noticed to be a true none denominational believer. But i was disappointed that you never said anything about him,you're just after the ONLY the JWs. So i checked through NL and discovered that you only surface on threads that's set against JWs.
That's why i gave up on that your none denominational stuff Sir,my conclusion is 'you and your friends aren't sincere with it'

Maximus69:
Lies comes in three forms!

lying pharisee false jw max

better still lies come from liars, with the false jw sect who cannot stop lying being among the biggest of them

you lie even in this short statment from you on lies, ha ha pathetic
saying that non denomination falls into a catorgrie of lie

Maximus69: ¤Lies that both the liar and the recipient knows of it and laugh it off,this comes like sarcasm
¤Lies that only the liar is aware of it, this leaves the liar in tension and anxiety just to cover it.
¤Lies that both the one lying and the recipient got it from a third party who manipulated them to believe it.
But when it comes to this none denominational ideology,please sir it falls in the first category.

so the belief of a non denomination bible believing Spirit led christian is a lie, ha ha
you are so blinded, and lie like hell, of course
but then your evil is from your god:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Maximus69:
You claim to be a Christian bah?

a christian is a person saved by grace through having faith in the Lord and Saviour Jesus christ
brocab is a person saved by grace through having faith in the Lord and Saviour Jesus christ

Eph 2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Act 16:31  And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house

 

on the other hand, you lying pharisee false jw max believe Jesus is "a god" with God:
NWT John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

however there is no god with God:
Deu 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

and so God and the word is God, not two gods, God and "a god" as you false jw's falsely teach:
KJV Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


know nothing max, your jesus is a false jesus
your jehovah is a false jehovah that has "a god" with him



1Jn 2:23  Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

1Jn 5:12  He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

johnw47:
a christian is a person saved by grace through having faith in the Lord and Saviour Jesus christ
brocab is a person saved by grace through having faith in the Lord and Saviour Jesus christ

Eph 2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Act 16:31  And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house

 

on the other hand, you lying pharisee false jw max believe Jesus is "a god" with God:
NWT John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

however there is no god with God:
Deu 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

and so God and the word is God, not two gods, God and "a god" as you false jw's falsely teach:
KJV Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


know nothing max, your jesus is a false jesus
your jehovah is a false jehovah that has "a god" with him



1Jn 2:23  Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

1Jn 5:12  He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Good morning Mr John, how are you and the family? Hope all is well,if so let's glorify the most high God!
I really appreciate your zeal for God but please Sir try to meditate thoroughly on issues on ground so as to make corresponding comments that addresses matters rather than anxiously pouring out your anger on everyone that's found on the side you detest.
None of us was there when the inspired writers were penning down those words you're anxiously quoting be it fitting or not.
I've noticed how eager you're to fight against the JWs but if you're not efficient and on point, no intelligent person will take you seriously. People can be funny when they're desperately looking for all means to get rid of someone,they can employ all means even if such is pointless,unreasonable,unlawful even wicked. So after they've succeeded in their mission,that is when the irrelevant ones will realise their condition.
So instead of setting all your mind against someone or group of persons,try to weigh matters FIRST from both sides PRAYERFULLY, otherwise you can just be another Paul used by the Pharisees as they knew his zeal for their tradition, but when Paul is no more on their side they're after his life rather than reasoning with this man who has been on their side all his life!
Before Paul became a Christian he knew the scriptures from Genesis to Malachi but the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of what he is reading and quoting against the Christians was out of his grasp,so the Pharisees used him just as a tool against the holy ones. Of course he was thrown away like a banana peel after they discovered he is of no use to them anymore!
Once again i'm saying "good morning Sir" God bless you!

@johnw47
Judas Iscariot{one of the twelve Apostles}, Herod Antipas{a Jewish king}, Pontius Pilate{Roman governor}, Barabbas{condemned criminal} and false accusers{Jewish thugs} were all employed as tools by the Pharisees just to get read of Jesus. Of course none of this individuals meant anything to those self righteous Pharisees,they only gathered them to accomplish their evil mission!
After Jesus' resurrection and ascension to heaven they got Saul a competent lawyer tutored by one of them. Act 22:3 ~ 5:34
After they noticed that Paul{Saul}is now fully aware of his state of mind,they hired thugs to kill this same Paul! Act 23:12,21~25:2-5
I'm a neutral person in this matter so i'm not on any side until i can be certain of the side that's on God's side,that's why i just don't quote the scriptures in support of any side. I know that when Paul was persecuting the Christians he must surely quote the scriptures but not according to God's will rather he was just supporting the Jewish tradition. So that's why i'm trying to be extra careful on this matter!

Maximus69:
You need to know a little about my journey. I'm a soldier Sir, the first assignment of a soldier is IDENTIFYING the central controlling unit,then the special authentic instructor sent to lead the group,through whom we all learn about our mission. Without having these three objectives in mind,that soldier is useless to the army!
According to the JWs, Jehovah is the supreme God the one whose will is to be carried out. Jesus is the commander in chief of Jehovah's heavenly and earthly army,the GB{serving in the office of Apostles today} are the group overseeing the entire army in the central unit,the Bible is the map to study in order to carry out a successful mission, my Bible study conductor is serving as a soldier on a rescue mission to save me from approaching enemies and lead me safely to their camp. Now from my Bible{map}, i can see myself as a civilian{spiritually speaking} and there is impending danger but i don't know anything more. So it's my Bible study conductor that has helped me to study the map together,explain the mission of the enemies and their strategy,taught me from the map the safe passage to the camp,those overseeing the well-being of all refugees in the name of the commander in chief!
You're also coming in the name of the same commander in chief of the army but every other questions regarding the overseers,the camp and the squadron{group carrying out the mission}.
What else do you expect from me than to start asking you certain intelligent questions and getting straightforward answers? Before i can forget about the first set and begin trusting you,you must identify yourself and the squadron with which you're working!
Now you don't belong to any group{squadron},how do you expect me to see you as one of the soldiers under the command of the chief of army staff?

Gb members are now serving in the office of the apostles today? Lol
Thank God you put it in bracket and no Bible verse to support your claim. Last last na assumption be that.

Maximus69:
You need to know a little about my journey. I'm a soldier Sir, the first assignment of a soldier is IDENTIFYING the central controlling unit,then the special authentic instructor sent to lead the group,through whom we all learn about our mission. Without having these three objectives in mind,that soldier is useless to the army!
According to the JWs, Jehovah is the supreme God the one whose will is to be carried out. Jesus is the commander in chief of Jehovah's heavenly and earthly army,the GB{serving in the office of Apostles today} are the group overseeing the entire army in the central unit,the Bible is the map to study in order to carry out a successful mission, my Bible study conductor is serving as a soldier on a rescue mission to save me from approaching enemies and lead me safely to their camp. Now from my Bible{map}, i can see myself as a civilian{spiritually speaking} and there is impending danger but i don't know anything more. So it's my Bible study conductor that has helped me to study the map together,explain the mission of the enemies and their strategy,taught me from the map the safe passage to the camp,those overseeing the well-being of all refugees in the name of the commander in chief!
You're also coming in the name of the same commander in chief of the army but every other questions regarding the overseers,the camp and the squadron{group carrying out the mission}.
What else do you expect from me than to start asking you certain intelligent questions and getting straightforward answers? Before i can forget about the first set and begin trusting you,you must identify yourself and the squadron with which you're working!
Now you don't belong to any group{squadron},how do you expect me to see you as one of the soldiers under the command of the chief of army staff?

Maximus69: You need to know a little about my journey.

Achorladey: I am with you all the way

Maximus69: I'm a soldier Sir,

Achorladey: Just like Cornelius and I believe you are the GOD FEARING TYPE like Cornelius.

Maximus69: the first assignment of a soldier is IDENTIFYING the central controlling unit,

Achorladey: That's fine.

Maximus69: then the SPECIAL AUTHENTIC INSTRUCTOR sent to LEAD the GROUP, through whom we all LEARN about our MISSION.

Achorladey: Fine point.

Maximus69: Without having these three objectives in mind,that soldier is useless to the army!

Achorladey: Another fine point.

Maximus69: According to the JWs, Jehovah is the supreme God the one whose will is to be carried out.

Achorladey: Jesus likewise prayed that Father's will be done on earth just like they do in heaven.

Maximus69: Jesus is the commander in chief of Jehovah's heavenly and earthly army,

Achorladey: Matthew 28:18 states clearly that Jesus had all authority in heaven and on earth.

Maximus69: the GB{serving in the office of Apostles today} are the group overseeing the entire army in the central unit,

Achorladey: You have to show clear proof that the GOVERNING BODY of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the ONLY group overseeing soldiers of CHRIST.

Maximus69: the Bible is the map to study in order to carry out a successful mission,

Achorladey: The BIBLE is indeed part of the weapons we need to carryout our MISSION as Christians successfully.

Ephesians 6:10 Finally, go on acquiring power in the Lord and in the mightiness of his strength. 11 Put on the complete suit of armor from God so that you may be able to stand firm against the crafty acts of the Devil;

Ephesians 6: 17 Also, accept the helmet of salvation, and the SWORD OF THE SPIRIT, that is, GOD’S WORD,

Maximus69: my BIBLE STUDY CONDUCTOR is serving as a SOLDIER on a RESCUE MISSION to SAVE me from APPROACHING enemies and lead me SAFELY to THEIR CAMP.

Achorladey: Just like your BIBLE STUDY CONDUCTOR is a soldier, others responding to your post and myself likewise are equally SOLDIERS of Christ all on the mission to continually make people hear the Good news about Jesus Christ and EQUALLY become a CHRIST SOLDIER.

Concerning the enemies, you might want to expansiate further and the CAMP you make a case of, I know of ONE CAMP in Hebrews

Hebrews 13: 12,13 Therefore, Jesus also suffered OUTSIDE the CITY GATE in order to SANCTIFY the PEOPLE with his OWN BLOOD. 13 Let us, then, go to him OUTSIDE the CAMP, bearing the reproach he bore.

What camp are we talking about?

Maximus69: Now from my Bible{map}, i can see myself as a civilian{spiritually speaking} and there is impending danger but i don't know anything more.

Achorladey: The scenario you are painting is interesting.

Maximus69: So it's my Bible study conductor that has helped me to study the map together,

Achorladey: That's interesting just like we have been doing likewise.

Maximus69: explain the MISSION of the ENEMIES and THEIR STRATEGY,taught me from the MAP the SAFE PASSAGE to the CAMP,

Achorladey: I am really interested in WHO the ENEMIES are, their MISSION and their STRATEGY. Finally what camp are we TALKING about based on the Hebrews 13:13

Maximus69: those overseeing the well-being of all refugees in the name of the commander in chief!

Achorladey: I want to believe you are not trying to state here that the GOVERNING BODY of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the ONLY one in charge here. what about the OVERSEERS of other CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS. Until you respond to the previous question concerning the APOSTOLIC OFFICE they hold.

You are BRINGING REFUGEES into the whole equation again. Who are THE REFUGEES ooooo.

Maximus69: You're also coming in the name of the same COMMANDER IN in CHIEF of the army but every other questions regarding the overseers, the camp and the squadron{group carrying out the mission}.

Achorladey: Yes, I have come in the name of the COMMANDER IN CHIEF, your question concerning the CAMP, I have used a scripture to show you what it means,

the SQUADRON you only want to BELIEVE DENOMINATIONAL CHRISTIANS and you don't believe NON DENOMINATION CHRISTIANS and you stated clearly they are not CHRISTIANS to you. That same Hebrews 13:13 shows why you should agree that NON DENOMINATION CHRISTIANS are Christians. We are all encourage to meet the christ OUTSIDE the CAMP.

You Maximus69 want to meet Jesus through the CAMP, Paul stated we should go and MEET Jesus Christ outside the CAMP. What is your take?

Maximus69: What else do you expect from me than to start asking you certain intelligent questions and getting straightforward answers?

Achorladey: Even the commander in chief don't give straightforward answers all the time. I have given you scriptures and cited many examples but you have chosed not to research them based on why indeed we can have NON DENOMINATIONAL CHRISTIANS.

Maximus69: Before I can forget about the first set and begin trusting you,

Achorladey:Who you chose to accept or reject is your choice to make and as a note Mr Maximus69 don't put your trust in men whom cannot bring or give you salvation. Neither build your trust in human ORGANIZATION or INSTITUTIONS or GROUPS whom cannot likewise bring or give salvation. Build your trust in Christ and in his inspired words recorded in the Bible.

Romans 8:Who will separate us from the love of the Christ? Will tribulation or distress or persecution or hunger or unclothedness or danger or sword? 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor governments nor things now here nor things to come nor powers 39 nor height nor depth nor any other creation will be able to separate us from God’s love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Maximus69: you must identify yourself and the squadron with which you're working!

Achorladey: I am a Christian and I work for Jesus Christ. Do you believe this?

Maximus69: Now you don't belong to any group{squadron},

Achorladey: I belong to the Christian group, do you believe and accept that CHRISTIAN is a group?

Maximus69: how do you expect me to see you as one of the soldiers under the command of the chief of army staff?

Achorladey: You cannot see me as CHRIST SOLDIER because you don't believe Romans 10: 9-13 as stated in clear terms. You believe I must be in a GROUP before I can rightly state that ACCOUNT.

Some denominational Christians e. g ( Jehovah's witnesses) don't see other denominational Christians(e.g CATHOLICS) as CHRISTIANS because the JWS have made MONOPOLY of the CHRIST, that's why you see JWS write in their materials and publications that they are the ONLY TRUE CHRISTIANS others are IMITATION CHRISTIAN /FALSE CHRISTIAN up till the extent of tagging them as WEEDS that will get burnt when Christ returns

So when the apostle Paul wrote that account, do you have to be in a CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION to do so? You agree?

"I have said this before hand, you claim to be Christian, then pray about it-but if you feel your prayers are unworthy-and if you can't see the enemy coming up against you-first physically then spiritually, then your war is your own war..
I don't know if you will understand this, but God is always looking after His own, seek first the kingdom of God, ask and it will be given and all things shall added to you. ""The power of prayer.. Try it sometime??
If the Watchtower is surrounded by a army of police-then don't just look at it as an attack from the spiritual enemy-try looking deeper, first the natural then the spirit-because obviously someone in the Watchtower is not walking with God-believing in God-means we stay on track-follow His Commandments, obey His laws, and test everything-pray always-the enemy will only come if we allow sin to enter in and run it's course..
{1 Corinthians 15:46} The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.
The law was made for sinners-God gives us leaders to run countries, and every country have laws, but if anybody disagree's with the law of the land, then they disagree will the laws God have given us to obey, God will allow us to face the music, until we realise we have stepped over the line, we will never be set free--until we repent and ask for His forgiveness..

Maximus69:
This is what arrogance does to you when you are ignorant of realities of matters on ground.
You claim to be a Christian bah? Well then try to read about how many lives were lost because of what Jesus inculcated in the minds of his followers who stood against the tradition of the land! Many of his followers were killed on just one single charge 'they are acting against the LAWS of the nation!' John 11:48,Act 5:28,24:5
Jesus himself had at least six siblings! Mark 6:3
They all abandoned him because he goes about teaching their people things that's totally contradicts the teachings of their religious leaders{who are also serving as their lawmakers},so at a time they concluded that Jesus has run MAD! Mark 3:21
So at his death none of his siblings cared about whatever happened to Jesus since they all believe he is AGAINST THE LAWS OF THEIR NATION! Only Mary {his mother} attended his execution as she has started putting faith in him,Jesus entrusted her care in the hands of John,according to Jesus' own teachings John is now Mary's son and Mary John's mother since they now shared the same faith! John 19:26,27~Matthew 12:49
Remember that both Jesus,his siblings and those who got him executed all claims to be worshipers of the same God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob, so what went wrong.
So why not try to correlate all of these with the events leading to the accusations against Jehovah's Witnesses.
Thanks Sir,you're blessed!

Maximus69:
It is just what i've perceived from their teaching technique, take note 'they're not that presumptuous when answering sensitive questions like this'.
I knew Jesus sent his followers out to preach and teach people about his father's Kingdom, most people rejected that message and oppositions is coming from all sides.
The topic of this thread shows the mindset of the owner,who belongs to a specific religious organization that also separates itself from others. The 'Deeperlife' is not a member of CAN for a reason best know to the founder,and all you commentators now are claiming NONE DENOMINATIONAL.
What i'm perceiving is just the same criticism those first century Jews posed against Jesus and his followers. Because i can't understand why you're all criticizing JWs when the owner of this thread is totally opposed to the none denominational ideology.
Pastor W.F. Kumuyi is the one and only preacher that his members revere, no staunch deeperlife member listens or count on the preaching of any other so called pastors!
Yet a member of such a group now posed a vilifying question against another SELF~ESTEEMED religious group,and all of you just join in typing against the group in question!
Haba! If truthfully you guys are sincere with this your none denominational stuff,why not first help the owner of the thread to change his thought regarding other religious group before joining him to castigate JWs

Maximus69: It is just what i've perceived from their teaching technique, take note 'they're not that presumptuous when answering sensitive questions like this'.

Achorladey: It's good you stated that they don't want to be PRESUMPTUOUS and it will be good to a queue from there as well too concerning your believes about NON DENOMINATIONAL CHRISTIANS.

Maximus69: I knew Jesus sent his followers out to preach and teach people about his father's Kingdom, most people rejected that message and oppositions is coming from all sides.

Achorladey: That's correct, Jesus indeed sent out his disciples to preach and teach the good news. Concerning opposition, persecutions and rejection in various forms and all sides, that's expected of all Jesus Christ disciples. Jesus equally made a case for that. So bear and suffer such as CHRISTIANS.

Maximus69: The topic of this thread shows the mindset of the owner,who belongs to a specific religious organization that also separates itself from others.

Achorladey: Jws ORGANIZATION also separate ITSELF out from the OTHERS even stating CLEARLY that all other ORGANIZATIONS are Satan's ORGANIZATION in their publications. Christian denominations separating themselves is not a NEW THING.

Maximus69: The 'Deeperlife' is not a member of CAN for a reason best know to the founder,and all you commentators now are claiming NONE DENOMINATIONAL.

Maximus69: Are the JWS members of CAN? What is wrong with being a NON DENOMINATIONAL CHRISTIAN?

Maximus69: What i'm perceiving is just the same criticism those first century Jews posed against Jesus and his followers. Because i can't understand why you're all criticizing JWs when the owner of this thread is totally opposed to the none denominational ideology.

Achorladey: Are the JWS the only Christ followers on EARTH? Have the JWS not equally CRITICIZE other Christian denominations? Have they equally stopped doing so. One Christian denomination getting the sticks no be new thing they all face it and move on.

Concerning the owner of thread being according to your words TOTALLY OPPOSED to non denominational Christians. Let the owner of the thread speak for himself.


Maximus69: Pastor W.F. Kumuyi is the one and only preacher that his members revere, no staunch deeperlife member listens or count on the preaching of any other so called pastors!

Achorladey: Let me rephrase the above....

The GOVERNING BODY is the ONE and ONLY PREACHER that the JWS adherents REVERE, no STAUNCH Jws LISTENS or COUNT on the PREACHING of any OTHER according to your words SO CALLED PASTORS!


Maximus69: Yet a member of such a group now posed a vilifying question against another SELF~ESTEEMED religious group,and all of you just join in typing against the group in question!

Achorladey: Whatever he wants to achieve with the thread is left for the owner to decide, it's his freedom.

VILIFY meaning...... to say or write very HARSH and CRITICAL THINGS about (SOMEONE or SOMETHING).

What is CRITICAL or HARSH about the title of the thread that goes thus.......How can one WITNESS TO A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS.

After all said and done JEHOVAH'S witnesses too do witness to other Christian denominations. So what is there to VILIFY here?

Maximus69: Haba! If truthfully you guys are sincere with this your none denominational stuff,why not first help the owner of the thread to change his thought regarding other religious group before joining him to castigate JWs.

Achorladey: We have been sincere with you all this while in the way we have discussed so far, even when you stated we are NOT Christians, we have patiently reasoned along with you. I don't want to believe the owner HAD a bad THOUGHT by seeking for WAYS to witness to a JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES because he equally knows JWS do so about others.

Maximus69:
@achorladey
I've been reading and meditating on your comments for long,and i thought to myself 'this man has a good mission,he doesn't discriminate so to him whoever confesses Jesus is a Christian'
That's why i initially ruled out every other commentator so as to concentrate on you,my intention is to know how all Christians can be united as one.
The signals i was getting from your responses gradually cooled off the anxiety i had at first,because you kept talking about JWs instead of addressing my question. And to worsen matters you started asking counter questions as if i'm taking sides!
Now this is another thread belonging to a staunch deeperlife member who has been condemning other religious groups e.g Catholics. I never expected you'll come here without challenging his beliefs since you're the only one i've noticed to be a true none denominational believer. But i was disappointed that you never said anything about him,you're just after the ONLY the JWs. So i checked through NL and discovered that you only surface on threads that's set against JWs.
That's why i gave up on that your none denominational stuff Sir,my conclusion is 'you and your friends aren't sincere with it'

Maximus69: I've been reading and meditating on your comments for long,and i thought to myself 'this man has a good mission,he doesn't discriminate so to him whoever confesses Jesus is a Christian'.

Achorladey: Have I changed my stands on the above about whoever confesses Jesus is as being a Christian?

Maximus69: That's why i initially ruled out every other commentator so as to concentrate on you,my intention is to know how all Christians can be UNITED as ONE.

Achorladey: From the scriptures Galatians3 :26 For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith. 27 FOR ALL of you who were BAPTIZED into CHRIST have clothed YOURSELVES with CHRIST. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female—for all of you are ONE in CHRIST JESUS.

I hope you determine what is making us UNITED as ONE in JESUS CHRIST now. You might want to read the whole of GALATIANS as added bonus.

Maximus69: The signals i was getting from your responses gradually cooled off the anxiety i had at first,because you kept talking about JWs instead of addressing my question.

Achorladey: From my response so far in this particular post above you will see nothing has to do with Jws.

Maximus69: And to worsen matters you started asking counter questions as if i'm taking sides!

Achorladey: whenever you bring anything relating to Jws in your post, I expansiate it further sometimes even allow you get a better view of what you are taught as it WERE by your BIBLE STUDY CONDUCTOR.


Maximus69: Now this is another thread belonging to a staunch deeperlife member who has been condemning other religious groups e.g Catholics.

Achorladey: He has the freedom to do whatever he likes with his thread and he equally knows that if he condemns another Christian denomination, he should expect the same likewise by someone else from another Christian denomination.

Maximus69: I never expected you'll come here without challenging his beliefs since you're the only one i've noticed to be a true none denominational believer.

Achorladey: What is there in his beliefs that you want me to challenge? The thread he set up was not to challenge his beliefs, it was all about how to witness to JWS which he has the freedom to do.

Maximus69: But i was disappointed that you never said anything about him,you're just after the ONLY the JWs.

Achorladey: Don't get disappointed. What I chose to post and discussions I get involved in is entirely up to me to decide and the freedom I chose to exercise.

Maximus69: So i checked through NL and discovered that you only surface on threads that's set against JWs.

Achorladey: You have my response on this already.


Maximus69:That's why i gave up on that your none denominational stuff.

Achorladey: It's your freedom make use of it.

1 Thessalonians 5: 21 But examine all things; hold fast to what is good.

Maximus69: Sir,my conclusion is 'you and your friends aren't sincere with it'

Achorladey: It's your CONCLUSION, I cannot force you to ACCEPT what you don't believe in.

Hairyrapunzel:
Gb members are now serving in the office of the apostles today? Lol
Thank God you put it in bracket and no Bible verse to support your claim. Last last na assumption be that.

PEACE Mr Hairyrspunzel,May you have peace.
As a military intelligence officer,it's my duty to sought out the CENTRAL CONTROLLING UNIT of any army. JWs are like an army of like minded worshipers,they based their beliefs on the structure of first century Christians,and with the little understanding i got from the New Testament,the 12 Apostles are serving as the nucleus{central controlling unit of all first century Christians}. So the GB of JWs today occupy that position withing their own organization. My perception of the group though,please not compulsorily i must pester you to agree by quoting the Bible for you!
In the military,such SECRET is only revealed to soldiers within our camp NOT everyone,and for you information Sir, NUCLEUS is the name given to a powerful military base controling unit in the east if you translate it to English, so if you don't fully understand their language you'll never know what the means. It took the Pentagon{America} almost two decades to know that NUCLEUS means their underground military base!

Maximus69:
PEACE Mr Hairyrspunzel,May you have peace.
As a military intelligence officer,it's my duty to sought out the CENTRAL CONTROLLING UNIT of any army. JWs are like an army of like minded worshipers,they based their beliefs on the structure of first century Christians,and with the little understanding i got from the New Testament,the 12 Apostles are serving as the nucleus{central controlling unit of all first century Christians}. So the GB of JWs today occupy that position withing their own organization. My perception of the group though,please not compulsorily i must pester you to agree by quoting the Bible for you!
In the military,such SECRET is only revealed to soldiers within our camp NOT everyone,and for you information Sir, NUCLEUS is the name given to a powerful military base controling unit in the east if you translate it to English, so if you don't fully understand their language you'll never know what the means. It took the Pentagon{America} almost two decades to know that NUCLEUS means their underground military base!

So you have all of a sudden become a military intelligence officer? Lol.

brocab:
"I have said this before hand, you claim to be Christian, then pray about it-but if you feel your prayers are unworthy-and if you can't see the enemy coming up against you-first physically then spiritually, then your war is your own war..
I don't know if you will understand this, but God is always looking after His own, seek first the kingdom of God, ask and it will be given and all things shall added to you. ""The power of prayer.. Try it sometime??
If the Watchtower is surrounded by a army of police-then don't just look at it as an attack from the spiritual enemy-try looking deeper, first the natural then the spirit-because obviously someone in the Watchtower is not walking with God-believing in God-means we stay on track-follow His Commandments, obey His laws, and test everything-pray always-the enemy will only come if we allow sin to enter in and run it's course..
{1 Corinthians 15:46} The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.
The law was made for sinners-God gives us leaders to run countries, and every country have laws, but if anybody disagree's with the law of the land, then they disagree will the laws God have given us to obey, God will allow us to face the music, until we realise we have stepped over the line, we will never be set free--until we repent and ask for His forgiveness..

Can you remind me of ONE ancient servant of God that was attacked by spirit forces?
Please i've read the Bible like a story book and all the ancient servants of God in the Bible{including Jesus} were attacked by PHYSICAL soldiers,but those physical soldiers are acting under the influence of unseen spirit forces or PRINCIPALITIES!

Hairyrapunzel:
So you have all of a sudden become a military intelligence officer? Lol.

Just to explain why i don't need quoting the scriptures for you to agree with the reason of my conviction! Your personal conviction should remain within you until you're set to go for the preaching and teaching assignment Jesus gave his followers{if you agree to work for him}

achorladey:
Maximus69: I've been reading and meditating on your comments for long,and i thought to myself 'this man has a good mission,he doesn't discriminate so to him whoever confesses Jesus is a Christian'.

Achorladey: Have I changed my stands on the above about whoever confesses Jesus is as being a Christian?

Maximus69: That's why i initially ruled out every other commentator so as to concentrate on you,my intention is to know how all Christians can be UNITED as ONE.

Achorladey: From the scriptures Galatians3 :26 For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith. 27 FOR ALL of you who were BAPTIZED into CHRIST have clothed YOURSELVES with CHRIST. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female—for all of you are ONE in CHRIST JESUS.

I hope you determine what is making us UNITED as ONE in JESUS CHRIST now. You might want to read the whole of GALATIANS as added bonus.

Maximus69: The signals i was getting from your responses gradually cooled off the anxiety i had at first,because you kept talking about JWs instead of addressing my question.

Achorladey: From my response so far in this particular post above you will see nothing has to do with Jws.

Maximus69: And to worsen matters you started asking counter questions as if i'm taking sides!

Achorladey: whenever you bring anything relating to Jws in your post, I expansiate it further sometimes even allow you get a better view of what you are taught as it WERE by your BIBLE STUDY CONDUCTOR.


Maximus69: Now this is another thread belonging to a staunch deeperlife member who has been condemning other religious groups e.g Catholics.

Achorladey: He has the freedom to do whatever he likes with his thread and he equally knows that if he condemns another Christian denomination, he should expect the same likewise by someone else from another Christian denomination.

Maximus69: I never expected you'll come here without challenging his beliefs since you're the only one i've noticed to be a true none denominational believer.

Achorladey: What is there in his beliefs that you want me to challenge? The thread he set up was not to challenge his beliefs, it was all about how to witness to JWS which he has the freedom to do.

Maximus69: But i was disappointed that you never said anything about him,you're just after the ONLY the JWs.

Achorladey: Don't get disappointed. What I chose to post and discussions I get involved in is entirely up to me to decide and the freedom I chose to exercise.

Maximus69: So i checked through NL and discovered that you only surface on threads that's set against JWs.

Achorladey: You have my response on this already.


Maximus69:That's why i gave up on that your none denominational stuff.

Achorladey: It's your freedom make use of it.

1 Thessalonians 5: 21 But examine all things; hold fast to what is good.

Maximus69: Sir,my conclusion is 'you and your friends aren't sincere with it'

Achorladey: It's your CONCLUSION, I cannot force you to ACCEPT what you don't believe in.

Thanks Mr achorladey, i've concluded on what to note about you and your stand.
Freedom is given to the deeperlife member who condemned Catholicism so i think JWs are also free to condemn other religious belief that's contrary to theirs.
So i'm not wrong to have agreed with JWs teachings anyway because i'm also free,that's your conclusion. Therefore it's no need asking me questions on why i agreed with JWs{who condemned other religions}since you said the owner of this thread is also free to condemn any religion!
So you don't really want a unification in the first place,i just wonder why you're castigating ONLY JWs when you can see other religious groups guilty of the SAME offences you question them for!

Maximus69:
Thanks Mr achorladey, i've concluded on what to note about you and your stand.
Freedom is given to the deeperlife member who condemned Catholicism so i think JWs are also free to condemn other religious belief that's contrary to theirs.
So i'm not wrong to have agreed with JWs teachings anyway because i'm also free,that's your conclusion. Therefore it's no need asking me questions on why i agreed with JWs{who condemned other religions}since you said the owner of this thread is also free to condemn any religion!
So you don't really want a unification in the first place,i just wonder why you're castigating ONLY JWs when you can see other religious groups guilty of the SAME offences you question them for!

Maximus, achorladey has nothing to say because he is against just one single organization "Jehovah's Witnesses"
Now you can see for yourself how Satan is grouping them from different religion to criticize JWs,if he is honest about his incessant antagonising of the teachings of the JWs, why would he say "OLAADEGBU is free" yet he keeps criticizing JWs for just the same offences that he has levelled against JWs.
Well thanks Maximus, even if you chose not to argue with anyone,you've helped a lot in exposing their hypocritical spiritual warfare!
Just imagine "Kumuyi's followers only sees him as the one and only pastor worthy of preaching and teaching them" they're free~achorladey.
But "JWs only sees the Governing Body as the one and only source of divine guidance" why not consider listening to other sources~achorladey.

TATIME:
Maximus, achorladey has nothing to say because he is against just one single organization "Jehovah's Witnesses"
Now you can see for yourself how Satan is grouping them from different religion to criticize JWs,if he is honest about his incessant antagonising of the teachings of the JWs, why would he say "OLAADEGBU is free" yet he keeps criticizing JWs for just the same offences that he has levelled against JWs.
Well thanks Maximus, even if you chose not to argue with anyone,you've helped a lot in exposing their hypocritical spiritual warfare!
Just imagine "Kumuyi's followers only sees him as the one and only pastor worthy of preaching and teaching them" they're free~achorladey.
But "JWs only sees the Governing Body as the one and only source of divine guidance" why not consider listening to other sources~achorladey.

You know i almost turned to atheism because of all these confusion,until i met witnesses who helped me see things from the straightforward thinking faculty of a military intelligence officer!
Well i've learnt a lot while discussing with people on this thread.
Some just feel like every religion should be allowed to operate except JWs.
Some feels JWs should stop their preaching and teaching program.
Some feels like punishing JWs but since that's not possible they attribute all the woes in the scripture to JWs.
Some feels like all religions should be scraped so that no-one will set any standard for them.
Some feels like 'let's vote for the religious group that should be allowed to operate'.
So i'm learning a lot from different people and their mindsets, but i'm still very much clinched to the JWs even though they also have flaws, they're just the typical military setting that any military intelligence officer would admire,only that they don't believe in physical weapons. They're the only reason why the term 'Christian soldiers' makes sense to me!

Maximus69:
You know i almost turned to atheism because of all these confusion,until i met witnesses who helped me see things from the straightforward thinking faculty of a military intelligence officer!
Well i've learnt a lot while discussing with people on this thread.
Some just feel like every religion should be allowed to operate except JWs.
Some feels JWs should stop their preaching and teaching program.
Some feels like punishing JWs but since that's not possible they attribute all the woes in the scripture to JWs.
Some feels like all religions should be scraped so that no-one will set any standard for them.
Some feels like 'let's vote for the religious group that should be allowed to operate'.
So i'm learning a lot from different people and their mindsets, but i'm still very much clinched to the JWs even though they also have flaws, they're just the typical military setting that any military intelligence officer would admire,only that they don't believe in physical weapons. They're the only reason why the term 'Christian soldiers' makes sense to me!

Hmmmmmmmm. Maximus, your profession is truly of help!
So are you still in the army?

Maximus69:
Thanks Mr achorladey, i've concluded on what to note about you and your stand.
Freedom is given to the deeperlife member who condemned Catholicism so i think JWs are also free to condemn other religious belief that's contrary to theirs.
So i'm not wrong to have agreed with JWs teachings anyway because i'm also free,that's your conclusion. Therefore it's no need asking me questions on why i agreed with JWs{who condemned other religions}since you said the owner of this thread is also free to condemn any religion!
So you don't really want a unification in the first place,i just wonder why you're castigating ONLY JWs when you can see other religious groups guilty of the SAME offences you question them for!

Maximus69: Thanks Mr achorladey, i've concluded on what to note about you and your stand.

Achorladey: Good to note that.

Maximus69: Freedom is given to the deeperlife member who condemned Catholicism so i think JWs are also free to CONDEMN other religious belief that's contrary to theirs.

Achorladey: That JWs condemn other Christian denominations started from the onset of the set up of the JWS organization. It's not new. It's the freedom they have chosen to EXERCISE so when others CRITICIZE the ORGANIZATION don't cry blue murder or PERSECUTION COMPLEX or IDENTIFYING mark of being a TRUE ORGANIZATION. I wonder what the Catholics feel like during when many former adherents go against the CATHOLICS breaking out to become the PROTESTANTS and the rest.

Maximus69: So i'm not wrong to have agreed with JWs teachings anyway because i'm also free,that's your conclusion.

Achorladey: Have I ever restricted your freedom of what you chose to believe and agree? Exercise your freedom.

Maximus69: Therefore it's no need asking me questions on why I agreed with JWs{who condemned other religions}since you said the owner of this thread is also free to condemn any religion!

Achorladey: Whatever scenarios you have cited or drawn your idea from as it relates to what you have been taught by the JWS, I have only expansiated it, sometimes explain further and sometimes bring up questions to make you ponder more on what those things are. Yet whatever conclusion you made of them, it is still your CONCLUSION.

For example you stated clearly that any NON DENOMINATION CHRISTIAN is not a CHRISTIAN to you. The JWS ORGANIZATION you are about to become a member in there publications and FAQ cautiously and avoid being PRESUMPTUOUS according to your words cannot CATEGORICALLY support your CONCLUSION.


Maximus69: So you don't really want a unification in the first place

Achorladey: Did you read the account of GALATIANS I cited?

Maximus69: I just wonder why you're CASTIGATING ONLY JWs when you can see other religious groups guilty of the SAME offences you question them for!

Achorladey: this part of your post made me smile

"when you can see other religious groups guilty of the SAME offences you question them for"

Atleast you admit that other Christian denominations are guilty of CONDEMNING Jws just like the JWS do. In the course of our Discussion which of them have I praised to the high heavens above the Jws.

Maximus69:
Just to explain why i don't need quoting the scriptures for you to agree with the reason of my conviction! Your personal conviction should remain within you until you're set to go for the preaching and teaching assignment Jesus gave his followers{if you agree to work for him}

There are simply no scriptures to support your assumptions.

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmm. Maximus, your profession is truly of help!
So are you still in the army?

Resigned two months ago!
Into MLM as part~time business for years but now fully into it as i'm now convinced that i've been killing people{as a military intelligence officer} for the will of selfish politicians NOT for God's will as i formerly thought!
If you know the secrets that's kept away from the common people,you'll wonder why God has not destroy all those handling the affairs of the world!
But i think my study with your folks has answered that satisfactorily, now i'm facing the challenge of going to plead with some arrogant civilians, those that are supposed to be begging me ON THEIR KNEES to spare their lives. isn't that awful?
Your folks have turned a lion into a lamb Sr,now i can't even lift up a riffle just because of what they've inculcated in my head, that's why tyrants like Musolinni, Hitler and others feels like getting rid of your folks as they're psychologically disarming special snipers like me!

Hairyrapunzel:
There are simply no scriptures to support your assumptions.

Obviously you don't need that Sir, since you don't think there should be a God who will destroy 99% of the world's inhabitants just to preserve few. Jesus actually said this event will take place just as it happened in the days of Noah.
I have watched you closely and discovered you detest such idea,so if you argue furiously against Jesus' own words which was a reassurance that the massacre that happened in the days of Noah will repeat itself,what quotation and from which book can make any sense to you? Moreover i've told you i'm not here to preach or teach anyone because my Bible study conductor told me the GB ordered members to desist from such acts.
You should have known by now that i only came to see if others have something better than JWs since you won't come to my house to preach like JWs,but now i know that there's nothing tangible elsewhere!
So peace Mr Hairyrapunzel,may you have peace Sir!

achorladey:
Maximus69: Thanks Mr achorladey, i've concluded on what to note about you and your stand.

Achorladey: Good to note that.

Maximus69: Freedom is given to the deeperlife member who condemned Catholicism so i think JWs are also free to CONDEMN other religious belief that's contrary to theirs.

Achorladey: That JWs condemn other Christian denominations started from the onset of the set up of the JWS organization. It's not new. It's the freedom they have chosen to EXERCISE so when others CRITICIZE the ORGANIZATION don't cry blue murder or PERSECUTION COMPLEX or IDENTIFYING mark of being a TRUE ORGANIZATION. I wonder what the Catholics feel like during when many former adherents go against the CATHOLICS breaking out to become the PROTESTANTS and the rest.

Maximus69: So i'm not wrong to have agreed with JWs teachings anyway because i'm also free,that's your conclusion.

Achorladey: Have I ever restricted your freedom of what you chose to believe and agree? Exercise your freedom.

Maximus69: Therefore it's no need asking me questions on why I agreed with JWs{who condemned other religions}since you said the owner of this thread is also free to condemn any religion!

Achorladey: Whatever scenarios you have cited or drawn your idea from as it relates to what you have been taught by the JWS, I have only expansiated it, sometimes explain further and sometimes bring up questions to make you ponder more on what those things are. Yet whatever conclusion you made of them, it is still your CONCLUSION.

For example you stated clearly that any NON DENOMINATION CHRISTIAN is not a CHRISTIAN to you. The JWS ORGANIZATION you are about to become a member in there publications and FAQ cautiously and avoid being PRESUMPTUOUS according to your words cannot CATEGORICALLY support your CONCLUSION.


Maximus69: So you don't really want a unification in the first place

Achorladey: Did you read the account of GALATIANS I cited?

Maximus69: I just wonder why you're CASTIGATING ONLY JWs when you can see other religious groups guilty of the SAME offences you question them for!

Achorladey: this part of your post made me smile

"when you can see other religious groups guilty of the SAME offences you question them for"

Atleast you admit that other Christian denominations are guilty of CONDEMNING Jws just like the JWS do. In the course of our Discussion which of them have I praised to the high heavens above the Jws.

You're blessed Sir!

Maximus69:
Obviously you don't need that Sir, since you don't think there should be a God who will destroy 99% of the world's inhabitants just to preserve few. Jesus actually said this event will take place just as it happened in the days of Noah.
I have watched you closely and discovered you detest such idea,so if you argue furiously against Jesus' own words which was a reassurance that the massacre that happened in the days of Noah will repeat itself,what quotation and from which book can make any sense to you? Moreover i've told you i'm not here to preach or teach anyone because my Bible study conductor told me the GB ordered members to desist from such acts.
You should have known by now that i only came to see if others have something better than JWs since you won't come to my house to preach like JWs,but now i know that there nothing tangible elsewhere!
So peace Mr Hairyrapunzel,may you have peace Sir!

So jesus said 99% of earth's population will be destroyed so he would preserve a few? This is the first time I'm hearing this o.

So watchtower organization had to assume jesus was talking about them when he mentioned just like the days of Noah. Lol

Maximus69:
You're blessed Sir!

same to you as well.

your military scenarios posted initially is interesting. I dont really know if you have taken time to research the Military as recorded in the scriptures.

Look at this scenarios some people dont like taking up arms or serve/work in the army, the reason being that they see the MILITARY as WAR MACHINE, they love their neighbour as theirself or they dont want to kill. But sometimes we all dont need to pick up arms before we kill, we sometimes do also KILL with WORDS. I have continually ponder over this to see where the difference lies.

Its just something I feel you can ponder or think about. I do not seek any response from you about it either. Feel free to exploit areas on MILITARY as it relates with the scripture.

Concerning WORDS of mouth.....

Matthew 5 : 21- 22 “You heard that it was said to those of ancient times: ‘You must not murder, but whoever commits a murder will be accountable to the court of justice.’ However, I say to you that everyone who continues wrathful with his brother will be accountable to the court of justice; and whoever addresses his brother with
an unspeakable WORD OF CONTEMPT will be accountable to
the Supreme Court; whereas whoever SAYS, ‘You
despicable fool!’ will be liable to the fiery Ge·henʹna.



James 3: 8- 10
but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of DEADLY POISON. 9 With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse people who are made in the likeness of God. 10 From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so.

Our journey as christ soldiers is filled with many challenge but the only LEADER we have JESUS christ states in John 16: 33 that .......... These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”

Have a good night rest!

Maximus69:
i almost turned to atheism

lying pharisee false jw mad max
you chose something even worse than not believing in God, believing in false gods

of course liars will never be part of God's true faith


Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Maximus69:
your none denominational stuff Sir,my conclusion is 'you and your friends aren't sincere with it'

lying pharisee false jw mad max

how you are tormented by non denomination, and how it causes you to make up lies regarding it,
but the truth will do that to those of evil heart

God's church is of course made up of people having true faith
they are from non denomination, and from denominations

of course they are not from false jw's who believe the Lord and Saviour of the world
is "a god" "a angel"



Jesus said he will raise His temple-body

you false jw's not only call Jesus a liar, saying: He didn't raise his body, and even saying his body wasn't raised at all
and then when we show with scripture that Jesus did indeed raise his body just as he said he would, you say, Father raised his body

Jesus body wasn't raised, but Father raised it, ha ha ha

your daddy the devil loves to confuse you
and your daddy tells you that you are God's people, and you believe him, laugh

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Maximus69:
Good morning Mr John, how are you and the family? Hope all is well,if so let's glorify the most high God!
I really appreciate your zeal for God but please Sir try to meditate thoroughly on issues on ground so as to make corresponding comments that addresses matters rather than anxiously pouring out your anger on everyone that's found on the side you detest.
None of us was there when the inspired writers were penning down those words you're anxiously quoting be it fitting or not.

ha ha lying pharisee false jw mad max
i'm neither anxious or angry, but happy to show false jw's out to be liars

see how you cannot stop making up lies in your head, smile

Maximus69: I've noticed how eager you're to fight against the JWs

laugh, i'm happy to show up false jw's lies, but of course you cannot stop talking like your father,
when he speaks lies he is just speaking naturally too:

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Maximus69:
@johnw47
Judas Iscariot{one of the twelve Apostles}, Herod Antipas{a Jewish king}, Pontius Pilate{Roman governor}, Barabbas{condemned criminal} and false accusers{Jewish thugs} were all employed as tools by the Pharisees just to get read of Jesus. Of course none of this individuals meant anything to those self righteous Pharisees,they only gathered them to accomplish their evil mission!
After Jesus' resurrection and ascension to heaven they got Saul a competent lawyer tutored by one of them. Act 22:3 ~ 5:34
After they noticed that Paul{Saul}is now fully aware of his state of mind,they hired thugs to kill this same Paul! Act 23:12,21~25:2-5
I'm a neutral person in this matter so i'm not on any side until i can be certain of the side that's on God's side,that's why i just don't quote the scriptures in support of any side. I know that when Paul was persecuting the Christians he must surely quote the scriptures but not according to God's will rather he was just supporting the Jewish tradition. So that's why i'm trying to be extra careful on this matter!

lying pharisee false jw mad max
just more lies from you who like other false jw's cannot stop lying
you have clearly shown more than once which side you are on:

Maximus69:
I'll ever remain grateful God for sending his witnesses to my home and i'll never forget why i unusually attended to them despite been so tired that faithful day! It's enough,now i can confidently tell anyone without fear or intimidation that 'i've found Jesus' original group'.

what Jesus says about liars:
Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.