hausadreturn:
Awolowo was ready to give Zik the post of the prime minister if they aligned?

I'm seeing this for the first time.
Shed more light.

I'm sure you are. Well pull up a chair and read up.

https://www.nairaland.com/2571555/why-did-azikiwe-reject-awolowos

https://www.nairaland.com/4565082/historical-perspective-hatred-between-yorubas

hausadreturn:
Then after that?

OK, let's say it is true...
That Igbos caused all the genesis of the problem....

We should not be positive and move forward because of that?
Don't be like what the APC is doing...
Saying that because pdp damaged Nigeria for 16 years, they can't move forward.

There's a saying, those who do not know history are bound to repeat it.

There's a reason why schools teach history.

Besides, I think Nigerians are getting tired of the persecution complex of the average Igbo who thinks he and his forebears are saints and martyrs in this project called Nigeria. It is only good to once in a while revisit and remind ourselves of the facts. That's all.

hausadreturn:
getting themselves killed over a republic they blocked others from getting?

What does that mean?

Meditate on the phrase. The answer will reveal itself to you.

In standard Ibo tradition none of them will respond intelligently to this. Their only response will be chest beating, loud mouthing and lunatic screams of "Afonja".

FortuneDeGreat:
Very good you noticed certain assertions that looked as an insult to you, I'm not surprised cos your judgmental mindset has beclouded your ability to make a concise differentiation.


If you're not biased to a point of skipping objective reasoning you would have noticed how the op piled up the names of eastern region soldiers and rebelled them Igbos, that's on the one hand, one the other hand, he diverted his narrative from region to tribe when he wanted to highlight the activities of Igbo soldiers from the SS.



If you still possess a tip of open mind kindly evaluate these:


#1, are all easterners in regard of the defunct arrangement Igbos?


#2, have you now believe that there are Igbos in SS?


If you really want to follow the headings, exclude other eastern ethnic nationality from the Igbos and infuse Igbos from other region into the Igbo folk.


Do not contradict yourself by grouping all easterners as Igbo and at the same time part of Midwesterners as Igbo. Strictly base your argument on either region or tribe and desist from bending the rules to favor you, we're not kids here.

How many top Igbo politicians were killed during the coup?

5thElement:


@ the bolded, we know you guys worship the white skin and you think Caucasians or anyone with light skin a god or special. Nothing more patethic than this.

The white man did not choose Azikiwe to be President. The North had majority in the house while the south could have formed a majority only if they combined.

Awolowo was ready to give Azikiwe the post of Prime minister if they aligned their regions to get the majority and beat the north. But guess who betrayed the south and settled for ceremonial presidency status? Azikiwe.

You guys need to read more o.

Gee we igbos by IGBOS I mean both the people you call south south.... We put up more fight against white men than any other clan... We don't see a white man as God or worship them... Because we believe we have more to offer than them.... That's one of the reason Brits are struggling with BIAFRA EXIT is not EGO but what we have in us.... We face challenges face to face.... We fail a hundred times we endure and rise up again and again and again and that's what the westerns don't wish to see in AFRICANS.... With the AWOLOWO stuff you're talking about an Igbo man may not know how to play politics but he sure plays the politics that will better everybody.... An Igbo man can leave his clan and vote another but other tribes doesn't care what you have to offer provided you're his kinsmen.... We have a different view in politics that's why and more reason FOR SOUTHERN EXIT FROM NIGERIA. Do your thing I do my thing and we respect each other.... I can't be going forward and you're dragging me backwards... We will all be stagnant. AZIKIWE MADE ALOT OF MISTAKES WE THE SOUTH DIDN'T ACCEPT

hausadreturn:
1. Louis Edet as IGP was from Cross River (that is not South East).
2. Zik was from Onitsha, Anambra


In the appointments of leaders of different parastatals, there's never been anywhere that mentioned that the positions were favoured for the igbos, rather it was based on merit. Aguiyi Ironsi was the most senior in the military (rank wise) and thus should've been naturally the GOC. I'm also surprised not to see the name of Adekunle Fajuiyi amongst the list of military personnels. He was a Lt. Col. as at the time he and Ironsi were killed.

After the first coup, the plotters were detained. I do not understand how the author says that they were treated as heroes while in prison. If Adaka Boro was also put in prison and not killed because of treason, I do not understand how Ironsi would've killed the coup plotters. The dots dont connect.

Adaka Boro was sentenced to death by ironsi. He was to be killed in Dec 1966.

FortuneDeGreat:
When he listed the top military officers of the Nigerian army, he said that the Igbo held the most positions and had the highest number, he went ahead to present their name(officers from the defunct eastern region), he listed names from other ethnic groups in the region, joined them all up as Igbos, then when he talked about the eight "majors" that conducted the January 15th 1966 coup, he said all were Igbo forgetting that only 2 out of the 8 were from the eastern region, 4 were from the Midwest and 1 from the western region. How can you reconcile this sheer unfounded antagonism, I'll be coming up with others but let's digest this one first. Please is "sturvs" an English word? If it is , what's the meaning.

Those from the midewest are igbos. Those from eastern region are controlled by igbos. It's just as y'all call anybody from the north fulani today. The former IGP was Nupe, yet you all call him fulani. Those officers were all carrying out igbo agenda of dominating Nigeria, nay Africa.

ezenwajosh:


Gee we igbos by IGBOS I mean both the people you call south south.... We put up more fight against white men than any other clan... We don't see a white man as God or worship them... Because we believe we have more to offer than them.... That's one of the reason Brits are struggling with BIAFRA EXIT is not EGO but what we have in us.... We face challenges face to face.... We fail a hundred times we endure and rise up again and again and again and that's what the westerns don't wish to see in AFRICANS.... With the AWOLOWO stuff you're talking about an Igbo man may not know how to play politics but he sure plays the politics that will better everybody.... An Igbo man can leave his clan and vote another but other tribes doesn't care what you have to offer provided you're his kinsmen.... We have a different view in politics that's why and more reason FOR SOUTHERN EXIT FROM NIGERIA. Do your thing I do my thing and we respect each other.... I can't be going forward and you're dragging me backwards... We will all be stagnant. AZIKIWE MADE ALOT OF MISTAKES WE THE SOUTH DIDN'T ACCEPT

So the British are struggling with Biafra's exit from Nigeria? Is that so? Interesting.

I'm glad to see that you have a high opinion of yourselves. Still doesn't change the facts about you guys. I think it was Ahmad Bello who talked extensively about your bragging attitude and expansionist tendencies. When I first heard his comments which I downloaded from YouTube, I felt disgusted that a supposed Nigerian leader could talk that way...then I joined Nairaland and my eyes were opened.

I'm glad we both agree that the Igbos aren't politically savvy.

hausadreturn:
Awolowo was ready to give Zik the post of the prime minister if they aligned?

I'm seeing this for the first time.
Shed more light.

If you don't know this, then you shouldn't be on this thread.

PeterUdeme:


If you don't know this, then you shouldn't be on this thread.

I don't.
That's why I need you to give me proof that it happened.

PeterUdeme:


Adaka Boro was sentenced to death by ironsi. He was to be killed in Dec 1966.

That's what I'm saying...
There is no proof of fact that Ironsi would not have executed the coup plotters, as they were already in prison.
Emmanuel Ifeajuna ran to Ghana, but he was brought back and put in prison.

5thElement:


There's a saying, those who do not know history are bound to repeat it.

There's a reason why schools teach history.

Besides, I think Nigerians are getting tired of the persecution complex of the average Igbo who thinks he and his forebears are saints and martyrs in this project called Nigeria. It is only good to once in a while revisit and remind ourselves of the facts. That's all.

Just so you know, while I am a lover of history, I only began to research more after getting to college because the Yoruba folks/historians around me talked about it from time to time. I mean, I was in Awo Hall in Ife, and there's no time you won't hear people talk about what Awo did or didn't do.

The question is, were you taught in school about how Nzeogwu killed Ahmadu Bello or how Ifeajuna killed Tafawa Balewa and dumped his body on the road side? I think the answer is no.

Unless you had a better standard of education while growing up, I only recall hearing about the fact that "there was a military coup and the specific dates"... and it ended there.

I don't know where you live or grew up but I don't live in an environment where the average Igbo thinks he's a Saint or is being persecuted.
By the way, I am average Igbo.
Am I a Saint?
Yes.
Am I being persecuted?
Why would you even persecute me for what soldiers did in the past... anybody who does that is unintelligent and has no intention of moving forward in life.
Am I part of this project called Nigeria?
Yes I am and I have to be.

adelee777:
In standard Ibo tradition none of them will respond intelligently to this. Their only response will be chest beating, loud mouthing and lunatic screams of "Afonja".

Don't be a child.
That's why this shouldn't have been put up in the first place.

If you want to contribute, contribute. If you don't, don't.

Chip in something let's learn.

PeterUdeme:


Those from the midewest are igbos. Those from eastern region are controlled by igbos. It's just as y'all call anybody from the north fulani today. The former IGP was Nupe, yet you all call him fulani. Those officers were all carrying out igbo agenda of dominating Nigeria, nay Africa.

I believe you've read about Nzeogwu's interview after the coup.
If you really want to be sincere to yourself, you'll realise he did it not because of any Igbo agenda because he had no business about things related to Igbo.

Please kindly read up his interviews after the coup.
He even said that Ironsi should've been killed but he wasn't.
The analysis shows that those in Lagos hesitated on their job and if Nzeogwu was in Lagos, he'd have executed perfectly.

He wasn't even happy that Ironsi was taking power. In his interview, he said he remains his boss but from his countenance, it showed discomfort. That's not clearly what he wanted.

There is also this part of history that no one has talked about in 7 pages of this thread.
History tells us that the intention of the coup was to kill those in power and install in power Awolowo, who was in prison.

Perhaps no one talks about this because it is not a fact isn't it?

hausadreturn:
Just so you know, while I am a lover of history, I only began to research more after getting to college because the Yoruba folks/historians around me talked about it from time to time. I mean, I was in Awo Hall in Ife, and there's no time you won't hear people talk about what Awo did or didn't do.

The question is, were you taught in school about how Nzeogwu killed Ahmadu Bello or how Ifeajuna killed Tafawa Balewa and dumped his body on the road side? I think the answer is no.

Unless you had a better standard of education while growing up, I only recall hearing about the fact that "there was a military coup and the specific dates"... and it ended there.

I don't know where you live or grew up but I don't live in an environment where the average Igbo thinks he's a Saint or is being persecuted.
By the way, I am average Igbo.
Am I a Saint?
Yes.
Am I being persecuted?
Why would you even persecute me for what soldiers did in the past... anybody who does that is unintelligent and has no intention of moving forward in life.
Am I part of this project called Nigeria?
Yes I am and I have to be.

Don't worry. Your own generation didn't meet history in school, so I understand. I was taught full Nigerian history starting from when I was in primary school and through secondary school. So, yes. I was taught how the civil war began, Nigeria's political parties in the 50s and 60s, Independence, various ethnic groups in Nigeria, their geographical locations, their culture and customs. These were facts we had to cram even in primary school as well as secondary school.

And yes, education was qualitative then.

hausadreturn:
There is also this part of history that no one has talked about in 7 pages of this thread.
History tells us that the intention of the coup was to kill those in power and install in power Awolowo, who was in prison.

Perhaps no one talks about this because it is not a fact isn't it?

Intentions and actual actions aren't the same thing. Every evil doer will tell you he had good intentions at the start of the evil deed. History doesn't really record intentions per se but acts and actions of people.

5thElement:


So the British are struggling with Biafra's exit from Nigeria? Is that so? Interesting.

I'm glad to see that you have a high opinion of yourselves. Still doesn't change the facts about you guys. I think it was Ahmad Bello who talked extensively about your bragging attitude and expansionist tendencies. When I first heard his comments which I downloaded from YouTube, I felt disgusted that a supposed Nigerian leader could talk that way...then I joined Nairaland and my eyes were opened.

I'm glad we both agree that the Igbos aren't politically savvy.

"...and then you joined nairaland and your eyes opened..."
Are you taking the things that happens here very seriously?

I hope you're not among those that read stuffs on nairaland and translate it the real world.

Because the real world is far different from whatever this thread is talking about.
Go outside and interview an average Nigerian about the events of 1966 and he/she knows little about what you're talking about.

Get real.

5thElement:


Don't worry. Your own generation didn't meet history in school, so I understand. I was taught full Nigerian history starting from when I was in primary school and through secondary school. So, yes. I was taught how the civil war began, Nigeria's political parties in the 50s and 60s, Independence, various ethnic groups in Nigeria, their geographical locations, their culture and customs. These were facts we had to cram even in primary school as well as secondary school.

And yes, education was qualitative then.

And you were taught about how Igbos caused the downfall of Nigeria in your primary and secondary school? Is that?

Every other thing you've mentioned is normal history.
But were you taught that it was the igbos that caused Nigeria's political mess? I'll call that selective teaching to malign the igbos.

5thElement:


So the British are struggling with Biafra's exit from Nigeria? Is that so? Interesting.

I'm glad to see that you have a high opinion of yourselves. Still doesn't change the facts about you guys. I think it was Ahmad Bello who talked extensively about your bragging attitude and expansionist tendencies. When I first heard his comments which I downloaded from YouTube, I felt disgusted that a supposed Nigerian leader could talk that way...then I joined Nairaland and my eyes were opened.

I'm glad we both agree that the Igbos aren't politically savvy.

By Brits struggling with biafra exit I mean they are trying everything they can underground to sabotage it.... They are ready to sponsor any movement to sabotage that call.... Theresa May made a comment last year that blacks has no right to self determination....igbos don't brag.... Knowing and delivering your potentials ain't bragging.

We are republicans by nature and that's our political style... The nigeria political system can't work for us

hausadreturn:
"...and then you joined nairaland and your eyes opened..."
Are you taking the things that happens here very seriously?

I hope you're not among those that read stuffs on nairaland and translate it the real world.

Because the real world is far different from whatever this thread is talking about.
Go outside and interview an average Nigerian about the events of 1966 and he/she knows little about what you're talking about.

Get real.

Lol. This is the real world. Do you know why people here are free with insults and curses? Because of the anonymity this forum gives us. If this forum forces everybody to put their real names and pictures on the their profile, people will be more civil.

I take what happens here very seriously indeed. It only shows me that those who smile at me and laugh with me in church (I am Catholic BTW) and shake my hands during peace offering in church wouldn't mind plunging a knife through my heart in real life. I've seen that scenario played out here one too many times.

I remember my first quarrel with a lady on this forum. She was married to a Yoruba man (I checked her earlier posts) and there she was heaping curses on the Yorubas. I'm talking as far back as 2012/13. So I calmly asked her if she could show her husband and his family what she just posted and she became livid.

Take what happens here seriously. That was how Rwandan genocide started.

hausadreturn:
And you were taught about how Igbos caused the downfall of Nigeria in your primary and secondary school? Is that?

Every other thing you've mentioned is normal history.
But were you taught that it was the igbos that caused Nigeria's political mess? I'll call that selective teaching to malign the igbos.

I see you're trying to prolong this thread unnecessarily. Were you taught everything in school? Don't you read books apart from your school books? If you don't I'd advise you to start. Don't just read to pass. My personal library at home is a book or two shy of the library of Congress. (Hyperbole )

ezenwajosh:


By Brits struggling with biafra exit I mean they are trying everything they can underground to sabotage it.... They are ready to sponsor any movement to sabotage that call.... Theresa May made a comment last year that blacks has no right to self determination....igbos don't brag.... Knowing and delivering your potentials ain't bragging.

We are republicans by nature and that's our political style... The nigeria political system can't work for us

OK. Thumbs up.

5thElement:


How many top Igbo politicians were killed during the coup?

Do we have any top ranking Igbo casualty? Answer is yes and if so what's the fuss all about? Number is therefore inconsequential.

FortuneDeGreat:
Do we have any top ranking Igbo casualty? Answer is yes and if so what's the fuss all about? Number is therefore inconsequential.

Name them. I didn't ask you to number them, I asked you to name them and the political office they held just like I did earlier.

PeterUdeme:


Those from the midewest are igbos. Those from eastern region are controlled by igbos. It's just as y'all call anybody from the north fulani today. The former IGP was Nupe, yet you all call him fulani. Those officers were all carrying out igbo agenda of dominating Nigeria, nay Africa.

What's your point exactly? How does this relate to the issue of discourse?

5thElement:


I see you're trying to prolong this thread unnecessarily. Were you taught everything in school? Don't you read books apart from your school books? If you don't I'd advise you to start. Don't just read to pass. My personal library at home is a book or two shy of the library of Congress. (Hyperbole )

Like I said, after I got to college.
I see you knew about the deep problems of Nigeria as far back as high school. Good luck with that.

5thElement:


Name them. I didn't ask you to number them, I asked you to name them and the political office they held just like I did earlier.

What about Festus Okotie-Eboh?

5thElement:


Name them. I didn't ask you to number them, I asked you to name them and the political office they held just like I did earlier.

Lt.Col Unegbu, head of military armory defense headquarters Lagos. Get that?

hausadreturn:
What about Festus Okotie-Eboh?

Not Igbo. Either Urhobo or one of the other minority tribes in the South south.

FortuneDeGreat:
Lt.Col Unegbu, head of military armory defense headquarters Lagos. Get that?

Nice try. But wrong. He was killed for not cooperating with the dissident officers and not because of his ethnicity. Try again.

And maybe while you are it you can tell us why Nnamdi Azikiwe was warned to flee and Michael Okpara, the Eastern region Premier was detained instead of killed like his counterparts in the North and West.