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Hairyrapunzel:
So jesus said 99% of earth's population will be destroyed so he would preserve a few? This is the first time I'm hearing this o.

So watchtower organization had to assume jesus was talking about them when he mentioned just like the days of Noah. Lol

That's why i said 'you Mr Hairyrapunzel,don't need any quotations from the scriptures' Jesus said 'just as it happened in the days of Noah' every right thinking intellectual can easily perceive that 99.9% of earths pupolation must have been massacred when only eight persons survived a global deluge!
If you can't understand that, well i do that's why i need to ascertain those serving as workers in the figurative ark this last days!
As you've always assert 'everything is in my head' and i'm not forcing you to download it in your memory card neither can you force me to format mine Sr.
PEACE Mr Hairyrapunzel,may you have peace!

achorladey:
same to you as well.

your military scenarios posted initially is interesting. I dont really know if you have taken time to research the Military as recorded in the scriptures.

Look at this scenarios some people dont like taking up arms or serve/work in the army, the reason being that they see the MILITARY as WAR MACHINE, they love their neighbour as theirself or they dont want to kill. But sometimes we all dont need to pick up arms before we kill, we sometimes do also KILL with WORDS. I have continually ponder over this to see where the difference lies.

Its just something I feel you can ponder or think about. I do not seek any response from you about it either. Feel free to exploit areas on MILITARY as it relates with the scripture.

Concerning WORDS of mouth.....

Matthew 5 : 21- 22 “You heard that it was said to those of ancient times: ‘You must not murder, but whoever commits a murder will be accountable to the court of justice.’ However, I say to you that everyone who continues wrathful with his brother will be accountable to the court of justice; and whoever addresses his brother with
an unspeakable WORD OF CONTEMPT will be accountable to
the Supreme Court; whereas whoever SAYS, ‘You
despicable fool!’ will be liable to the fiery Ge·henʹna.



James 3: 8- 10
but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of DEADLY POISON. 9 With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse people who are made in the likeness of God. 10 From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so.

Our journey as christ soldiers is filled with many challenge but the only LEADER we have JESUS christ states in John 16: 33 that .......... These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”

Have a good night rest!

Good morning Mr achorladey,how was the night rest? hope all is well, if so glory to God in the highest!
What Jesus said helped Christians to restrain from hurtful words ranging from name calling, curses, abusive speech and so on.
That's why i easily agreed with my Bible study conductor when he told me that any so called JW engaging in ongoing arguments on social media is HALF BAKED. Of course i've noticed curses,abusive speeches,insults and all sort of name calling from supposed JWs on NL! No wonder their GB strictly warned them against such
Hmmm just imagine the way all of them disappeared after hearing of what their GB has taught them from the scriptures that they're now going against. What a perfect organization of obedient worshipers?
Well concerning the use of weapons,even the human authorities will never kill you for WORDS of mouth but when you intentionally use a weapon to kill you'll be held responsible for MURDER!
I'm a soldier and i know perfectly that mere words during war is tantamount to noise,what commands the attention of a soldier is harmful weapons!
So my conclusion! Jesus as a commander in chief of all spirit forces instructed his own followers to desist from using hurtful words which can also cause rottenness{harm} in the heart of intelligent fleshy creatures. This is not easy for humans to master as we're all still living under a condition where there are lots and lots of issues that can easily provoke us.
I guess that's why you can see JWs also involved in such but immediately they're reminded of the instruction from those serving as their GB, all of them stopped!
Well they're just beating my intelligence and intellect each time i tried to doubt their authenticity as the ONLY Christian organization!

johnw47:
lying pharisee false jw mad max
just more lies from you who like other false jw's cannot stop lying
you have clearly shown more than once which side you are on:



what Jesus says about liars:
Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Well Sr i'm not under any pressure to dance to any dictated tune that's not appealing.
So if there is true freedom in Jesus,i guess i'm free to join the winning team. JWs are winning from the perspective of any military intelligence expert,they're being attacked and mobbed in Russia, Croatia, North & South Korea, China, Sudan and many other countries simply because they're winning SOULS{heart of their people} whom they've spent fortune to implant in them love for their race and hatred against other nationalities. JWs are winning by gathering people as one global family of happy worshipers under one controlling unit,and all dedicated members are loyally obedient to this single GB! For your information Sr,the Arab world are trying to achieve this but FORCEFULLY inflicting terror on even any of their own people that doesn't comply with their dictation and in any nation they're able to eatablish their religion, they try to force everyone by killing those with contrary opinion!
Mr John,you can continue with your anger and name calling, Jehovah's Witnesses are winning SOULS from all the nations on earth without the use of physical weapons! So i'm free to join the winning team!

Maximus69:
Good morning Mr achorladey,how was the night rest? hope all is well, if so glory to God in the highest!
What Jesus said helped Christians to restrain from hurtful words ranging from name calling, curses, abusive speech and so on.
That's why i easily agreed with my Bible study conductor when he told me that any so called JW engaging in ongoing arguments on social media is HALF BAKED. Of course i've noticed curses,abusive speeches,insults and all sort of name calling from supposed JWs on NL! No wonder their GB strictly warned them against such
Hmmm just imagine the way all of them disappeared after hearing of what their GB has taught them from the scriptures that they're now going against. What a perfect organization of obedient worshipers?
Well concerning the use of weapons,even the human authorities will never kill you for WORDS of mouth but when you intentionally use a weapon to kill you'll be held responsible for MURDER!
I'm a soldier and i know perfectly that mere words during war is tantamount to noise,what commands the attention of a soldier is harmful weapons!
So my conclusion! Jesus as a commander in chief of all spirit forces instructed his own followers to desist from using hurtful words which can also cause rottenness{harm} in the heart of intelligent fleshy creatures. This is not easy for humans to master as we're all still living under a condition where there are lots and lots of issues that can easily provoke us.
I guess that's why you can see JWs also involved in such but immediately they're reminded of the instruction from those serving as their GB, all of them stopped!
Well they're just beating my intelligence and intellect each time i tried to doubt their authenticity as the ONLY Christian organization!

They intend to WITNESS to Jehovah's Witnesses but after a lot of arguments and debates, it is the JWs that SILENTLY bear a thorough witness against the sons of disobedience!
Thanks Maximus, i think any honesthearted individual can notice all what you've discovered about JWs and our obedience. God bless you!

Hairyrapunzel:
So you have all of a sudden become a military intelligence officer? Lol.

Hope you've heard of James Bond? Well it's a film series that's based on true life events of British military intelligence.
So Mr Hairyrapunzel,that's my FORMER job before the REAL Christians{JWs} formatted all the devilish schemes and intentions that i learned in military service!

Maximus69:
Hope you've heard of James Bond? Well it's a film series that's based on true life events of British military intelligence.
So Mr Hairyrapunzel,that's my FORMER job before the REAL Christians{JWs} formatted all the devilish schemes and intentions that i learned in military service!

Last last everything is inside your head.

Maximus69:
Good morning Mr achorladey,how was the night rest? hope all is well, if so glory to God in the highest!
What Jesus said helped Christians to restrain from hurtful words ranging from name calling, curses, abusive speech and so on.
That's why i easily agreed with my Bible study conductor when he told me that any so called JW engaging in ongoing arguments on social media is HALF BAKED. Of course i've noticed curses,abusive speeches,insults and all sort of name calling from supposed JWs on NL! No wonder their GB strictly warned them against such
Hmmm just imagine the way all of them disappeared after hearing of what their GB has taught them from the scriptures that they're now going against. What a perfect organization of obedient worshipers?
Well concerning the use of weapons,even the human authorities will never kill you for WORDS of mouth but when you intentionally use a weapon to kill you'll be held responsible for MURDER!
I'm a soldier and i know perfectly that mere words during war is tantamount to noise,what commands the attention of a soldier is harmful weapons!
So my conclusion! Jesus as a commander in chief of all spirit forces instructed his own followers to desist from using hurtful words which can also cause rottenness{harm} in the heart of intelligent fleshy creatures. This is not easy for humans to master as we're all still living under a condition where there are lots and lots of issues that can easily provoke us.
I guess that's why you can see JWs also involved in such but immediately they're reminded of the instruction from those serving as their GB, all of them stopped!
Well they're just beating my intelligence and intellect each time i tried to doubt their authenticity as the ONLY Christian organization!

Maximus69: I'm a soldier and i know perfectly that MERE WORDS during WAR is tantamount to noise,what commands the attention of a soldier is harmful weapons!

Achorladey: And you the soldier don't know that many of such MERE WORDS had led to many wars. I wonder why the military carryout MILITARY DRILLS in some specific areas of a country if MERE WORDS don't count.


Maximus69: So my conclusion! Jesus as a commander in chief of all spirit forces instructed his own followers to desist from using hurtful words which can also cause rottenness{harm} in the heart of intelligent fleshy creatures.

Achorladey: It's good to hear and you admit JESUS CHRIST advised his followers to pay heed to Matthew 5:20,21. It doesn't cause harm alone, it can equally lead to DEATH and KILLINGS that is synonymous to CARRYING WEAPONS.


Maximus69: This is not easy for humans to master as we're all still living under a condition where there are lots and lots of issues that can easily provoke us.

Achorladey: Good you admit that keeping check of one's words and utterances is an uphill task for man.

Maximus69: I guess that's why you can see JWs also involved in such but immediately they're reminded of the instruction from those serving as their GB, all of them stopped!

Achorladey: And those that have refrained from using swell and insulting words without being reminded by the GB are they not good examples to follow knowing that they heed the words of their leader JESUS CHRIST.


Maximus69: Well they're just beating my intelligence and intellect each time i tried to doubt their authenticity as the ONLY Christian organization!

Achorladey: It your conclusion about their intelligence and intellect concerning that intelligent and intellect Jesus state this ........

 At that time Jesus said in response:

Matthew 11:25 “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children.

TATIME:
They intend to WITNESS to Jehovah's Witnesses but after a lot of arguments and debates, it is the JWs that SILENTLY bear a thorough witness against the sons of disobedience!
Thanks Maximus, i think any honesthearted individual can notice all what you've discovered about JWs and our obedience. God bless you!

TATIME: They intend to WITNESS to Jehovah's Witnesses but after a lot of arguments and debates, it is the JWs that SILENTLY bear a thorough witness against the sons of disobedience!

Achorladey: The SONS of DISOBEDIENCE according to TATIME set up this thread and same TATIME believes he is using the thread to equally witness, some even complained why will the SONS OF DISOBEDIENCE set up such a thread. Oga TATIME you know the thread is beneficial and you were busy complaining that FELLOW Christians are AGAINST the ONLY CHRISTIAN ORGANIZATION on EARTH.

Oh I forgot they are SONS OF DISOBEDIENCE and not CHRISTIANS according to TATIME. But when TATIME was busy using SWELL words and ABUSIVE speech the AIR that permeates SONS OF DISOBEDIENCE was absent until he got a REMINDER from the GOVERNING BODY before he knew he too was among those who formerly LIVED ACCORDING to this WORLD’S PRESENT PATH, ACCORDING to the RULER of the KINGDOM of the AIR, the ruler of the SPIRIT that is now ENERGIZING the SONS OF DISOBEDIENCE and that made him decide to stop the DEBATES and ARGUMENTS. E get as e be ooo.

OLAADEGBU:
The difference between us is our source of authority. Mine is the infallible word of God and yours is the Watchtower magazine. My authority says that there were more than one nail that was used in the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ which proves that He died on a Cross. My authority also tells me who exactly Jesus is.

Jehovah spoke through the prophet Isaiah:

"I am God and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:22). We know only Jehovah is God.

He further says in verse 23

"I have sworn by myself...that unto Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear"

So if every knee will bow to only one being, who is that one being?

"That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:10-11)

If we only bow to God alone, then Jesus must be Jehovah and both are the same God.

You must believe that we must only pray to Jehovah, right? If yes, then you would have read in Acts chapter 7 where Stephen was being stoned to death but he saw Jesus standing at the right of the Father. Who did Stephen pray to? He prayed to Jesus and Jesus received his prayer and his spirit because Jesus is God.

After Jesus died and rose again, He appeared to 'doubting Thomas' and Thomas called Him "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28).

If Jesus is not God then that's blasphemy! But Jesus accepted Thomas' worship because Jesus is God. Remember the words of Isaiah the prophet that I quoted earlier.

"I am God and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:22).

The apostle Peter testified of our Lord Jesus Christ to the high priest, saying:

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12).

Matthew 1:22-23 fulfils the prophecy of Isaiah 7:14. Mary, a virgin, bore a child. That child, Jesus...was called "Immanuel" which means "God with us."

Jesus lived a perfect life. People tried to find fault in Him because He did things only God was supposed to do. (See Mark 2:5-7; John 10:31-33).

Evil men beat Jesus, then killed him the Roman way; by crucifixion and remember the 2 nails print on His hands (John 20:25).

Three days later Jesus raised His own body from the grave, just as He promised. Only God could raise His own body (See John 2:19-21; 10:17-18). Do you know this Jesus?

The apostle Thomas has given us an eyewitness account that disproves the heresy of the Watchtower magazines. He proved that Jesus had died on a Cross with the prints of nails in His hands and that Jesus Christ is Lord and God, all of which the Watchtower magazine denies.

"The other disciples therefore said to him, We have seen the Lord. But he said, Except I shall see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into His side, I will not believe" (John 20:25).

"And set up over His head His accusation written: THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS" (Matthew 27:37).

We also have another eyewitness to thank in apostle Matthew who said that a sign was set up over the Lord Jesus' Christ head.

This is why heretics would not see Jesus Christ as Lord and their God neither would they believe that Jesus died on the Cross nor rose physically from the grave.

OLAADEGBU:
He proved that Jesus had died on a Cross with the prints of nails in His hands and that Jesus Christ is Lord and God, all of which the Watchtower magazine denies.

"The other disciples therefore said to him, We have seen the Lord. But he said, Except I shall see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into His side, I will not believe" (John 20:25).

"And set up over His head His accusation written: THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS" (Matthew 27:37).

We also have another eyewitness to thank in apostle Matthew who said that a sign was set up over the Lord Jesus' Christ head.

This is why heretics would not see Jesus Christ as Lord and their God neither would they believe that Jesus died on the Cross nor rose physically from the grave.

I have to be very blunt with you, no holds barred...

You are educated but very illiterate...
The inscription, "THIS IS JESUS,THE KING OF THE JEWS", is that the instrument on which Jesus was impaled?
Did Matthew 27:37 say Jesus two hands were nailed to that inscription?
OLAADEGBU WAYO man,
" Jesus said... I am returning to my Father and your Father, my God and your God" (John 20:17).


"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ" who alone is immortal. Eph1:3. 1st Tim1:17

You believe your "Gods" died, so be it.
Your "Gods" is NOT the only true God, the God & Father of Jesus Christ. (John 17:3. 20:17,30,31).

achorladey:
Maximus69: I'm a soldier and i know perfectly that MERE WORDS during WAR is tantamount to noise,what commands the attention of a soldier is harmful weapons!

Achorladey: And you the soldier don't know that many of such MERE WORDS had led to many wars. I wonder why the military carryout MILITARY DRILLS in some specific areas of a country if MERE WORDS don't count.


Maximus69: So my conclusion! Jesus as a commander in chief of all spirit forces instructed his own followers to desist from using hurtful words which can also cause rottenness{harm} in the heart of intelligent fleshy creatures.

Achorladey: It's good to hear and you admit JESUS CHRIST advised his followers to pay heed to Matthew 5:20,21. It doesn't cause harm alone, it can equally lead to DEATH and KILLINGS that is synonymous to CARRYING WEAPONS.


Maximus69: This is not easy for humans to master as we're all still living under a condition where there are lots and lots of issues that can easily provoke us.

Achorladey: Good you admit that keeping check of one's words and utterances is an uphill task for man.

Maximus69: I guess that's why you can see JWs also involved in such but immediately they're reminded of the instruction from those serving as their GB, all of them stopped!

Achorladey: And those that have refrained from using swell and insulting words without being reminded by the GB are they not good examples to follow knowing that they heed the words of their leader JESUS CHRIST.


Maximus69: Well they're just beating my intelligence and intellect each time i tried to doubt their authenticity as the ONLY Christian organization!

Achorladey: It your conclusion about their intelligence and intellect concerning that intelligent and intellect Jesus state this ........

 At that time Jesus said in response:

Matthew 11:25 “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children.

Good evening Mr achorladey,how is the week end Sir?
Hmmmm your reasoning baffles me,because you're attributing the commands from a leader of a harmless group to political tyrants!
Of course Jesus' intructions or admonition is FOR THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL! Meaning individuals whose hearts are desperately in need of spiritual guidance NOT arrogant,self-centered and greedy politicians filled with ego.
You should know that people who are tied to political ambitions are the only ones whose WORDS could lead to war,not Christians who have nothing to do with position and power! Well i guess that's why Jesus asked one politician to rid himself of all that has to do with political ambitions and become one of his followers who are just irrelevant in the society!
Paul's words before becoming a Christian could lead to killings of Christians because of his position in the politics of the first century Jews but became irrelevant instantly when he became a Christian!
So let's get it straight Sr, there is just one thing a Christian can do with his utterance {say something that can lead tyrants to kill him} but as regards wars NO Sr there is nothing taken seriously in the words of Christ's followers that could lead to that!
Jesus had twelve Apostles Sr, none of them has that pedigree to utter a word that could lead to war. Rather his utterance could only lead politicians to ask for his head! Yes they can thoughtlessly say hurtful words to harmless brothers in Christ like themselves,so Jesus warned them but never to those whose comment or signature can cause ethnic,tribal,racial or national conflict which means WAR!

Janosky:
I have to be very blunt with you, no holds barred...

You are educated but very illiterate...
The inscription, "THIS IS JESUS,THE KING OF THE JEWS", is that the instrument on which Jesus was impaled?

Where did Pilate place that sign, over Jesus' hands or over His head?

Janosky:
Did Matthew 27:37 say Jesus two hands were nailed to that inscription?

No.

Janosky:
OLAADEGBU WAYO man,
" Jesus said... I am returning to my Father and your Father, my God and your God" (John 20:17).

"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ" who alone is immortal. Eph1:3. 1st Tim1:17

You believe your "Gods" died, so be it.
Your "Gods" is NOT the only true God, the God & Father of Jesus Christ. (John 17:3. 20:17,30,31).

"I am God and there is none else. I have sworn by myself...that unto Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear" (Isaiah 45:22-23)

Isaiah rightly says every knee will bow to only one being and if we are only to bow to God alone. Who is that being?

"That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and of things in earth, and things under the earth. And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:10-11).

Is this Jesus your Lord and Saviour?

Hairyrapunzel:
Last last everything is inside your head.

YES Sr everything is just in my head now, and i give glory to God that it's so unlike before when those thoughts in my head could mean the death of tens of thousands of people within 24 hours!
Praise God!

Maximus69:
YES Sr everything is just in my head now, and i give glory to God that it's so unlike before when those thoughts in my head could mean the death of tens of thousands of people within 24 hours!
Praise God!

It's the same thing na. The thing inside your head is your jehovah coming to slaughter 8 billion people so 8 Million people can live forever on earth. Then vultures coming to eat the dead bodies is inside your head. This one is even less than 24hrs.


Last last you only think of destruction of people who don't belong to watchtower organization and obey your gb

OLAADEGBU:
The apostle Thomas has given us an eyewitness account that disproves the heresy of the Watchtower magazines. He proved that Jesus had died on a Cross with the prints of nails in His hands and that Jesus Christ is Lord and God, all of which the Watchtower magazine denies.

"The other disciples therefore said to him, We have seen the Lord. But he said, Except I shall see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into His side, I will not believe" (John 20:25).

"And set up over His head His accusation written: THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS" (Matthew 27:37).

We also have another eyewitness to thank in apostle Matthew who said that a sign was set up over the Lord Jesus' Christ head.

This is why heretics would not see Jesus Christ as Lord and their God neither would they believe that Jesus died on the Cross nor rose physically from the grave.

The Watchtower{JWs} and the history of Romans translated the Bible and in their version called New Words Translation,Jesus was impaled on a torture stake.
The pagans in Rome and the traditional churches translated the Bible and in their revised version called KJV,Jesus was crucified {died on a Cross}.
So i don't think there is any dispute about that Sr,it's left for whoever wants to ascertain the facts of the matter to go and make a thorough research or investigation. Rome was and is still very much in existence till today,anyone can go there to find out the exact instrument of torture in the first century, CROSS or STAKE period!

Hairyrapunzel:
It's the same thing na. The thing inside your head is your jehovah coming to slaughter 8 billion people so 8 Million people can live forever on earth. Then vultures coming to eat the dead bodies is inside your head. This one is even less than 24hrs.


Last last you only think of destruction of people who don't belong to watchtower organization and obey your gb

Oh if that's what you meant,well that's how the JWs taught me and i believed them so there is no problem since IT'S ALL IN MY HEAD!
Peace Mr Hairyrapunzel,may you have Peace Sir!

Maximus69:
Oh if that's what you meant,well that's how the JWs taught me and i believed them so there is no problem since IT'S ALL IN MY HEAD!
Peace Mr Hairyrapunzel,may you have Peace Sir!

It's imaginary in other words, it not real and will never happen.

Maximus69:
Oh if that's what you meant,well that's how the JWs taught me and i believed them so there is no problem since IT'S ALL IN MY HEAD!
Peace Mr Hairyrapunzel,may you have Peace Sir!

Hairyrapunzel is tormented each time he sees or hear of JWs,because he's very sure that what we're saying is real.
Though he wish nobody is saying it ,anytime he hears of JWs he is certain that what the Watchtower teaches is certain. That's why he's always agitating in fear every day of his life without rest!

Maximus69:
The Watchtower{JWs} and the history of Romans translated the Bible and in their version called New Words Translation,Jesus was impaled on a torture stake.
The pagans in Rome and the traditional churches translated the Bible and in their revised version called KJV,Jesus was crucified {died on a Cross}.
So i don't think there is any dispute about that Sr,it's left for whoever wants to ascertain the facts of the matter to go and make a thorough research or investigation. Rome was and is still very much in existence till today,anyone can go there to find out the exact instrument of torture in the first century, CROSS or STAKE period!

This is what your New Word Translation said:

"So the other disciples were telling him: "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them: "Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, I will never believe it" (John 20:25).

Since you believe that the NWT is the most accurate translation of the original manuscripts, they must have forgotten to make the nails singular instead of leaving it in plural. If you are paying attention to the Bible instead of your Watchtower magazine you would have noticed that it takes more than one nail to crucify Jesus Christ and that Thomas saw the mark of two nails in Jesus' hands. Which confirms that your Watchtower got it wrong and that Jesus didn't die on a stake, He died on a cross. Why would you trust your eternal destiny on a magazine that keeps getting it wrong?

OLAADEGBU:
The apostle Thomas has given us an eyewitness account that disproves the heresy of the Watchtower magazines. He proved that Jesus had died on a Cross with the prints of nails in His hands and that Jesus Christ is Lord and God, all of which the Watchtower magazine denies.

"The other disciples therefore said to him, We have seen the Lord. But he said, Except I shall see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into His side, I will not believe" (John 20:25).

"And set up over His head His accusation written: THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS" (Matthew 27:37).

We also have another eyewitness to thank in apostle Matthew who said that a sign was set up over the Lord Jesus' Christ head.

This is why heretics would not see Jesus Christ as Lord and their God neither would they believe that Jesus died on the Cross nor rose physically from the grave.

Here is what the history of Rome depicts regarding the instrument used for executing criminals.
So how come Jesus' case differs,if not just to make you people worship images fabricated under Satan's manipulation?
Jesus was killed and the instrument used in killing him now becomes the image that all pagans carry on their necks,well if some refuse to reason not everyone will follow them in the TRADITION of men!

Maximus69:
The Watchtower{JWs} and the history of Romans translated the Bible and in their version called New Words Translation,Jesus was impaled on a torture stake.
The pagans in Rome and the traditional churches translated the Bible and in their revised version called KJV,Jesus was crucified {died on a Cross}.
So i don't think there is any dispute about that Sr,it's left for whoever wants to ascertain the facts of the matter to go and make a thorough research or investigation. Rome was and is still very much in existence till today,anyone can go there to find out the exact instrument of torture in the first century, CROSS or STAKE period!

Thanks Maximus,i keep saying it that your experience as a military intelligence officer is helping your power of reasoning a lot!
So instead of arguing,go and find out what exactly was used to execute criminals in the first century to be sure. It's just as simple as ABC!

OLAADEGBU:
This is what your New Word Translation said:

"So the other disciples were telling him: "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them: "Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, I will never believe it" (John 20:25).

Since you believe that the NWT is the most accurate translation of the original manuscripts, they must have forgotten to make the nails singular instead of leaving it in plural. If you are paying attention to the Bible instead of your Watchtower magazine you would have noticed that it takes more than one nail to crucify Jesus Christ and that Thomas saw the mark of two nails in Jesus' hands. Which confirms that your Watchtower got it wrong and that Jesus didn't die on a stake, He died on a cross. Why would you trust your eternal destiny on a magazine that keeps getting it wrong?

Sir,i know you're a member of deeperlife church. If someone tells you now that Pastor Kumuyi worships with Guru Maharaji before founding deeperlife, i'm sure you won't start arguing but straight ahead you'll go for the biography of Pastor Kumuyi and print everything out to debunk such scandal.
Please why not employ the same logic on this matter? Check the Roman history,if they used Crosses in the execution of first century criminals then Jesus surely died on a cross but if not then something is wrong somewhere. I'm not supporting any side,in critical matters like this i always try to be completely neutral!
My eternity must be carefully secured so i just don't take to stories or argument but facts, one or two nails is of no relevance here sir. What could solve this matter is the ROMAN HISTORICAL BACKGROUND!

TATIME:
Hairyrapunzel is tormented each time he sees or hear of JWs,because he's very sure that what we're saying is real.
Though he wish nobody is saying it ,anytime he hears of JWs he is certain that what the Watchtower teaches is certain. That's why he's always agitating in fear every day of his life without rest!

Fear ke? You live in constant trepidation. I know you keep living in fear of dying in your imaginary upcoming Armageddon. Kpele take heart nothing like Armageddon will ever happen

Hairyrapunzel:
Fear ke? You live in constant trepidation. I know you keep living in fear of dying in your imaginary upcoming Armageddon. Kpele take heart nothing like Armageddon will ever happen

That is it Sir!
So why not just walk away from what you know WILL NEVER HAPPEN? Why are you often offended each time you hear it?
During the war,a certain mad woman always cry saying 'my babies! my babies!!' my boss {a marine commando from Germany} instruct five officers to keep an eye on this lunatic, i wandered saying what a shortage? Why asking five soldiers to keep watching just one single 'female' psychopath?
Hmmm well this seemingly ugly lunatic is a captain sent to monitor our team by one of the top Generals perhaps there should be a sabotage plan!
I was shocked when my colleagues caught her disarming a bomb! So i went back to my German boss and asked what sign he noticed? His answer 'lunatics may have lost their sense of so many things but not of DANGER,if she sees people aim and kill and she didn't disappear from the scene,know that she's not mad!'
Please if you're so sure that JWs are just HARMLESSLY talking about what will never come to be,why are you always troubled by their words?

Maximus69:
Good evening Mr achorladey,how is the week end Sir?
Hmmmm your reasoning baffles me,because you're attributing the commands from a leader of a harmless group to political tyrants!
Of course Jesus' intructions or admonition is FOR THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL! Meaning individuals whose hearts are desperately in need of spiritual guidance NOT arrogant,self-centered and greedy politicians filled with ego.
You should know that people who are tied to political ambitions are the only ones whose WORDS could lead to war,not Christians who have nothing to do with position and power! Well i guess that's why Jesus asked one politician to rid himself of all that has to do with political ambitions and become one of his followers who are just irrelevant in the society!
Paul's words before becoming a Christian could lead to killings of Christians because of his position in the politics of the first century Jews but became irrelevant instantly when he became a Christian!
So let's get it straight Sr, there is just one thing a Christian can do with his utterance {say something that can lead tyrants to kill him} but as regards wars NO Sr there is nothing taken seriously in the words of Christ's followers that could lead to that!
Jesus had twelve Apostles Sr, none of them has that pedigree to utter a word that could lead to war. Rather his utterance could only lead politicians to ask for his head! Yes they can thoughtlessly say hurtful words to harmless brothers in Christ like themselves,so Jesus warned them but never to those whose comment or signature can cause ethnic,tribal,racial or national conflict which means WAR!

Maximus69: Good evening Mr achorladey, how is the week end Sir?

Achorladey: It's all good.

Maximus69: Hmmmm your reasoning baffles me,

Achorladey: How will I know we are really making sense with our discussion if it doesn't baffles you sometimes.

Maximus69: because you're attributing the commands from a leader of a harmless group to political tyrants!

Achorladey: what commands are we talking about here, and how am I attributing it from harmless group to political tyrant.

I hope you now know when we talked about being HARMFUL it's not restricted to those carrying ARMS/WEAPONS as stated by JESUS CHRIST.

Maximus69: Of course Jesus' intructions or admonition is FOR THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL!

Achorladey: Jesus Christ instructions is not only for the LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL, it equally applies to the PEOPLE of the NATIONS as Jesus Christ is also their LEADER.


Maximus69: Meaning individuals whose hearts are desperately in need of spiritual guidance NOT arrogant,self-centered and greedy politicians filled with ego.

Achorladey: The account is equally meant for all people, in fact we can equally aid or help people understanding on how to make PEACE using such instructions. Even those that are desperately in need of spiritual guidance can equally be ARROGANT, SELF CENTERED, GREEDY.


Maximus69: You should know that people who are tied to political ambitions are the only ones whose WORDS could lead to war,

Achorladey: Hahahahahah you make me laugh,

do husband and wives not war at home, do siblings not war at home , do families not war, do villages not war, do cities not war, do countries not war, all the above do carrying on WAR of WORDS that sometimes lead to deadly consequences without even PICKING UP ARMS AND AMMUNITION.

Oga Maximus69, it's not until we hold political position or ambition before we go to war with WORDS.

Maximus69: not Christians who have nothing to do with position and power!

Achorladey: The way all Christians denominations and their corresponding organizations including the organization of Jehovah's witnesses are structured, there are always POSITION to FILL and POWER vested on EACH position FILLED or HELD.

Maximus69: Well i guess that's why Jesus asked one politician to rid himself of all that has to do with political ambitions and become one of his followers who are just irrelevant in the society!

Achorladey: Jesus Christ followers are not IRRELEVANT in the society, JESUS called them the LIGHT of the WORLD. don't know how you come about there being IRRELEVANT.

Those holding political post are equally relevant, the Soldier that got his servants healed by Jesus Christ built the SYNAGOGUE in that community even Christ disciples attest to that.

Maximus69: Paul's words before becoming a Christian could lead to killings of Christians because of his position in the politics of the first century Jews but became irrelevant instantly when he became a Christian!

Achorladey: You might want to read Phillipians 3: 4-6

4 though I, if anyone, do have grounds for confidence in the flesh.If any other man thinks he has grounds for confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5 circumcised the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew born from Hebrews; regarding law, a Pharisee; 6 regarding zeal, persecuting the congregation; regarding righteousness based on law, one who proved himself blameless.

I hope you see what Paul said about what he was doing before he became a Christian.


Maximus69: So let's get it straight Sr, there is just one thing a Christian can do with his utterance {say something that can lead tyrants to kill him} but as regards wars NO Sr there is nothing taken seriously in the words of Christ's followers that could lead to that!

Achorladey: Now your own words BAFFLES ME because the UTTERANCE of a FELLOW CHRISTIAN can kill ANOTHER FELLOW CHRISTIAN within same denominations and different denominations. Christian equally WAR with WORDS that sometimes lead to DEADLY CONSEQUENCES without lifting WEAPONS.

Mere words of HUSBAND and WIVES can lead to them becoming TYRANT and sometimes wound and kill one another, Mere WORDS of SIBLINGS that are Christians has led to one KILLING the other. No wonder Jesus said if one CALLS his FELLOW BROTHER DESPICABLE FOOL is as equally murdering his BROTHER. They don't even have to cause WAR, those words kill without WARRING.

Maximus69: Jesus had twelve Apostles Sr, none of them has that pedigree to utter a word that could lead to war.

Achorladey: On records as recorded in the Bible I haven't come across such but there is an account of disagreement between Paul and Barnabas and you know what that led to immediately at that point in time.

Maximus69: Rather his utterance could only lead politicians to ask for his head!

Achorladey: therefore the need to be careful about our UTTERANCES and the head of his fellow Christians.

Maximus69: Yes they can thoughtlessly say hurtful words to harmless brothers in Christ like themselves,
so Jesus warned them but

Achorladey: So what has been BAFFLING you all along, such THOUGHTLESS and HURTFUL WORDS to harmless brothers can not only HARM the brothers but equally kill them just the way humans used ARMS and AMMUNITION to kill others when they go to WAR.

Maximus69: never to those whose comment or signature can cause ethnic,tribal,racial or national conflict which means WAR!

Achorladey: Jesus words applies equally to people of all nations and it beholds on all Christians to preach and teach it to others as something to hold dear in CONFLICT RESOLUTION.

In summary one don't have to carry WEAPONS like a SOLDIER before the individual kills and because some CHRISTIANS don't go to WAR don't mean they don't KILL. In fact they don't have to carry PHYSICAL WEAPONS to do so. The WORDS of their mouth are DEATH DEALING POISON that SPARKS like WILDFIRE like biological and physical weapons and it equally KILLS.

Maximus69:
That is it Sir!
So why not just walk away from what you know WILL NEVER HAPPEN? Why are you often offended each time you hear it?
During the war,a certain mad woman always cry saying 'my babies! my babies!!' my boss {a marine commando from Germany} instruct five officers to keep an eye on this lunatic, i wandered saying what a shortage? Why asking five soldiers to keep watching just one single 'female' psychopath?
Hmmm well this seemingly ugly lunatic is a captain sent to monitor our team by one of the top Generals perhaps there should be a sabotage plan!
I was shocked when my colleagues caught her disarming a bomb! So i went back to my German boss and asked what sign he noticed? His answer 'lunatics may have lost their sense of so many things but not of DANGER,if she sees people aim and kill and she didn't disappear from the scene,know that she's not mad!'
Please if you're so sure that JWs are just HARMLESSLY talking about what will never come to be,why are you always troubled by their words?

Everything is all inside your head that is: it isn't real

achorladey:
Maximus69: Good evening Mr achorladey, how is the week end Sir?

Achorladey: It's all good.

Maximus69: Hmmmm your reasoning baffles me,

Achorladey: How will I know we are really making sense with our discussion if it doesn't baffles you sometimes.

Maximus69: because you're attributing the commands from a leader of a harmless group to political tyrants!

Achorladey: what commands are we talking about here, and how am I attributing it from harmless group to political tyrant.

I hope you now know when we talked about being HARMFUL it's not restricted to those carrying ARMS/WEAPONS as stated by JESUS CHRIST.

Maximus69: Of course Jesus' intructions or admonition is FOR THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL!

Achorladey: Jesus Christ instructions is not only for the LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL, it equally applies to the PEOPLE of the NATIONS as Jesus Christ is also their LEADER.


Maximus69: Meaning individuals whose hearts are desperately in need of spiritual guidance NOT arrogant,self-centered and greedy politicians filled with ego.

Achorladey: The account is equally meant for all people, in fact we can equally aid or help people understanding on how to make PEACE using such instructions. Even those that are desperately in need of spiritual guidance can equally be ARROGANT, SELF CENTERED, GREEDY.


Maximus69: You should know that people who are tied to political ambitions are the only ones whose WORDS could lead to war,

Achorladey: Hahahahahah you make me laugh,

do husband and wives not war at home, do siblings not war at home , do families not war, do villages not war, do cities not war, do countries not war, all the above do carrying on WAR of WORDS that sometimes lead to deadly consequences without even PICKING UP ARMS AND AMMUNITION.

Oga Maximus69, it's not until we hold political position or ambition before we go to war with WORDS.

Maximus69: not Christians who have nothing to do with position and power!

Achorladey: The way all Christians denominations and their corresponding organizations including the organization of Jehovah's witnesses are structured, there are always POSITION to FILL and POWER vested on EACH position FILLED or HELD.

Maximus69: Well i guess that's why Jesus asked one politician to rid himself of all that has to do with political ambitions and become one of his followers who are just irrelevant in the society!

Achorladey: Jesus Christ followers are not IRRELEVANT in the society, JESUS called them the LIGHT of the WORLD. don't know how you come about there being IRRELEVANT.

Those holding political post are equally relevant, the Soldier that got his servants healed by Jesus Christ built the SYNAGOGUE in that community even Christ disciples attest to that.

Maximus69: Paul's words before becoming a Christian could lead to killings of Christians because of his position in the politics of the first century Jews but became irrelevant instantly when he became a Christian!

Achorladey: You might want to read Phillipians 3: 4-6

4 though I, if anyone, do have grounds for confidence in the flesh.If any other man thinks he has grounds for confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5 circumcised the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew born from Hebrews; regarding law, a Pharisee; 6 regarding zeal, persecuting the congregation; regarding righteousness based on law, one who proved himself blameless.

I hope you see what Paul said about what he was doing before he became a Christian.


Maximus69: So let's get it straight Sr, there is just one thing a Christian can do with his utterance {say something that can lead tyrants to kill him} but as regards wars NO Sr there is nothing taken seriously in the words of Christ's followers that could lead to that!

Achorladey: Now your own words BAFFLES ME because the UTTERANCE of a FELLOW CHRISTIAN can kill ANOTHER FELLOW CHRISTIAN within same denominations and different denominations. Christian equally WAR with WORDS that sometimes lead to DEADLY CONSEQUENCES without lifting WEAPONS.

Mere words of HUSBAND and WIVES can lead to them becoming TYRANT and sometimes wound and kill one another, Mere WORDS of SIBLINGS that are Christians has led to one KILLING the other. No wonder Jesus said if one CALLS his FELLOW BROTHER DESPICABLE FOOL is as equally murdering his BROTHER. They don't even have to cause WAR, those words kill without WARRING.

Maximus69: Jesus had twelve Apostles Sr, none of them has that pedigree to utter a word that could lead to war.

Achorladey: On records as recorded in the Bible I haven't come across such but there is an account of disagreement between Paul and Barnabas and you know what that led to immediately at that point in time.

Maximus69: Rather his utterance could only lead politicians to ask for his head!

Achorladey: therefore the need to be careful about our UTTERANCES and the head of his fellow Christians.

Maximus69: Yes they can thoughtlessly say hurtful words to harmless brothers in Christ like themselves,
so Jesus warned them but

Achorladey: So what has been BAFFLING you all along, such THOUGHTLESS and HURTFUL WORDS to harmless brothers can not only HARM the brothers but equally kill them just the way humans used ARMS and AMMUNITION to kill others when they go to WAR.

Maximus69: never to those whose comment or signature can cause ethnic,tribal,racial or national conflict which means WAR!

Achorladey: Jesus words applies equally to people of all nations and it beholds on all Christians to preach and teach it to others as something to hold dear in CONFLICT RESOLUTION.

In summary one don't have to carry WEAPONS like a SOLDIER before the individual kills and because some CHRISTIANS don't go to WAR don't mean they don't KILL. In fact they don't have to carry PHYSICAL WEAPONS to do so. The WORDS of their mouth are DEATH DEALING POISON that SPARKS like WILDFIRE like biological and physical weapons and it equally KILLS.

If Jesus' command is for everyone Sir,then why was he wrongly accused,charged,tried,judged and executed under the law,whereas few revere him as Lord
That's the flaw in your comment!
Jesus is Lord ONLY for faithful individuals who are desperately in need of divine guidance, NOT before powerful politicians like Caiaphas, Annas, Herod, Pilate, Tiberius{Roman Emperor} even the newly recruited Roman soldiers who were mocking him saying 'hail king of the Jews'!
Even i{Maximus} before JWs got me convinced of the right Jesus has to order me around,i would have asked 'who is Jesus?' Surely i wouldn't have taken his words seriously if not for the effort of JWs that explained fully his personality and significance,in other words i won't see him as Lord not to talk of heeding his command!
Sorry Sir it's not a matter of argument according to the Bible,Jesus commanded ONLY those who are willing to accept counsels from him NOT everybody! As a military intelligence officer,our integrity is lost if we aim at a harmless target,whatever comes out of his mouth is gibberish as long as he's got no weapons, we only aim at someone still handling weapons. So i perfectly understood Jesus' order on this matter Sir!

Hairyrapunzel:
Everything is all inside your head that is: it isn't real

PEACE Mr Hairyrapunzel,May you have Peace!

Maximus69:
Sir,i know you're a member of deeperlife church. If someone tells you now that Pastor Kumuyi worships with Guru Maharaji before founding deeperlife, i'm sure you won't start arguing but straight ahead you'll go for the biography of Pastor Kumuyi and print everything out to debunk such scandal.
Please why not employ the same logic on this matter? Check the Roman history,if they used Crosses in the execution of first century criminals then Jesus surely died on a cross but if not then something is wrong somewhere. I'm not supporting any side,in critical matters like this i always try to be completely neutral!
My eternity must be carefully secured so i just don't take to stories or argument but facts, one or two nails is of no relevance here sir. What could solve this matter is the ROMAN HISTORICAL BACKGROUND!

I believe your NWT that claims to have the most accurate translation must have done their homework when it records Thomas saying that 'until he sees the prints of nails on Jesus' hands' and we know that a person cannot show the marks of nails on both hands if he was nailed with one nail which is supposed to be used for those nailed to a stake.

Thomas' eyewitness testimony is more tenable than all your historians put together but you will rather tie your eternity to the words of sinful secular humans who keep updating their 'evidences' by the day.

OLAADEGBU:
I believe your NWT that claims to have the most accurate translation must have done their homework when it records Thomas saying that 'until he sees the prints of nails on Jesus' hands' and we know that a person cannot show the marks of nails on both hands if he was nailed with one nail which is supposed to be used for those nailed to a stake.

Thomas' eyewitness testimony is more tenable than all your historians put together but you will rather tie your eternity to the words of sinful secular humans who keep updating their 'evidences' by the day.

It's OK Sir let's leave it at that,your Jesus died on a CROSS and mine died on a STAKE! What's important is Jesus died for our sin,that's all.

Maximus69:
It's OK Sir let's leave it at that,your Jesus died on a CROSS and mine died on a STAKE! What's important is Jesus died for our sin,that's all.

"And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My Lord and my God" (John 20:28)

This same Jesus who died on the Cross is also my Lord and my God. Can you say the same about yours?

Maximus69:
If Jesus' command is for everyone Sir,then why was he wrongly accused,charged,tried,judged and executed under the law,whereas few revere him as Lord
That's the flaw in your comment!
Jesus is Lord ONLY for faithful individuals who are desperately in need of divine guidance, NOT before powerful politicians like Caiaphas, Annas, Herod, Pilate, Tiberius{Roman Emperor} even the newly recruited Roman soldiers who were mocking him saying 'hail king of the Jews'!
Even i{Maximus} before JWs got me convinced of the right Jesus has to order me around,i would have asked 'who is Jesus?' Surely i wouldn't have taken his words seriously if not for the effort of JWs that explained fully his personality and significance,in other words i won't see him as Lord not to talk of heeding his command!
Sorry Sir it's not a matter of argument according to the Bible,Jesus commanded ONLY those who are willing to accept counsels from him NOT everybody!

Maximus69: Jesus' command is for everyone Sir,then why was he wrongly accused,charged,tried,judged and executed under the law,whereas few revere him as Lord

Achorladey: It seems you don't get it, I know you will eventually understand this, before some became Christians they were carrying out lawlessness and when they embrace the good news about Christ and turned around they accept Christ as Lord but sometimes still commit sins or still had shortcomings as Christians, does that mean they don't revere CHRIST as LORD.

See this as an example....

John 11: 49 But one of them, Caʹia·phas, who was high priest that year, said to them: “You do not know anything at all, 50 and you have not reasoned that it is to your benefit for one man to die in behalf of the people rather than for the whole nation to be destroyed.” 51 He did not say this, however, of his own originality, but because he was high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus was to die for the nation, 52 and not only for the nation but also to gather together into one the children of God who were scattered about. 53 So from that day on they conspired to kill.

From the account above you think the Jewish religious leaders don't know who Jesus Christ his and that is instructions are beneficial for them as well? The Jewish religious leaders know but they decided to ignore and act out their own schemes. Nicodemus and many others seek his audience behind the back of their fellow Sanhedrin you know why, they know Jesus is Lord.

That Judas Iscariot betrayed him, does that made him less of Lord to Judas Iscariot or perhaps all the instruction he gave the 12 it was ONLY for the 11 BENEFICIARIES Judas Iscariot didn't benefit at all because he BETRAYED JESUS.

Maximus69: That's the flaw in your comment!

Achorladey: Pick out the FLAWS.

Maximus69: Jesus is Lord ONLY for faithful individuals who are desperately in need of divine guidance,

Achorladey: While we are still sinners Christ died for us all. So who says he is not our Lord before we seek him.

Take a look at Peter's statement here... say.” Acts 10:

34 At this Peter began to speak, and he said: “Now I truly understand that God is not partial, 35 but in every nation the man who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him. 36 He sent out the word to the sons of Israel to declare to them the good news of peace through Jesus Christ—THIS ONE is LORD OF ALL.

Revelation 19:16 On his outer garment, yes, on his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.

Even LORD over those who don't see him as LORD.


Maximus69: NOT before powerful politicians like Caiaphas, Annas, Herod, Pilate, Tiberius{Roman Emperor} even the newly recruited Roman soldiers who were mocking him saying 'hail king of the Jews'!

Achorladey: Before you read this, you should have accepted why Jesus Christ is Lord of all the names you mentioned above. Matthew 5:42-48 a check here.

Maximus69: Even i{Maximus} before JWs got me convinced of the right Jesus has to order me around,i would have asked 'who is Jesus?

Achorladey: Jws get you oooo, Jws no get you ooooo, that doesn't make JESUS not Lord over you. The Bible states clearly he is Lord of ALL.

By the time you asked who is Jesus now, aren't you convinced that even before you know him he is LORD even over you (Maximus69)?

Maximus69: Surely i wouldn't have taken his words seriously if not for the effort of JWs that explained fully his personality and significance,in other words i won't see him as Lord not to talk of heeding his command!

Achorladey: You see him as Lord ooooo, you don't see him as Lord ooooooo. That cannot change the fact that he is LORD OF ALL. You heed is command you don't heed is command, he remains Lord of Lords (because as it were once you don't need or heed his commands, you are a lord of your own and yet he is still lord over you)


Maximus69: Sorry Sir it's not a matter of argument according to the Bible,Jesus commanded ONLY those who are willing to accept counsels from him NOT everybody!

Achorladey: WERE Jesus commands for ONLY those willing to accept counsels from him, why do people preach and teach people about Jesus advise and counsel? It's simply because they know such principles are BENEFICIAL for the "NOT EVERYBODY".