A40:
Nonsense! What's their record since he returned. I refuted the notion because this nonsense you people do and give LeNomad all the credit when things go well and shift the blame to the teammates when things go South needs to die.

KCP a well known streaky player scores 35 and reverts to mean the next day and next thing it's because LeNomad didn't play as if LeNomad playing guarantees a win in Utah

LOL You expect the team to return to shooting on all cylinders after lebron missed a quarter of the season plus with injuries at various points to key players? Theres a difference between giving a player most of the credit and giving him all the credit. With all great players its pretty obvious theyre the most important factor in the win. Thats why these days the team with the most wins usually produce the MVP. When a team loses the best player cant possibly be at fault but everyone else. Thats just a simple concept that has been applied to all greats. But when its lebron its a problem/ You lot just shamelessly keep shifting the goal post, its embarrassing!

He may be a streaky shooter but its a well known fact that shooters play better with lebron on the court. If you dont agree with this you need to go back to basketball 101.

YulisCromwell:

So telling the truth about him is disrespecting him? no one ever denied that hes great but he doesnt belong anywhere near the GOAT discussion.

Naah that's not even the issue here. It's not about this particular instance, I'm saying generally The Kobe slander and disrespect is very real. Especially among Bronsexuals.

I recall the other day Nick Wright coming on TV saying Kobe didn't have an era. That is how nonsensical things are becoming

Why does Kobe not belong in the GOAT discussion? Some say it's Wilt, some say it's Kareem some say it's Magic so why can't Kobe be in the conversation

YulisCromwell:

You said high volume shooting guards had low efficiency, i just refuted that claim. The man was just a brick layer with a green light.

List the volume Shooting Guards bar Jordan and their career Field Goal percentage let's compare and see if they were more superior. List their PER too while we're at it

YulisCromwell:

Granted, but the second greatest at any position bar the center you'll find doesnt belong in mount rushmore.

2nd greatest PG Oscar/Isaah/maybe even curry
SF Bird/KD/Dr J
PF Dirk/KG/Malone

None of these guys belong in mount rushmore.

Of course they are not competing with the GOAT. Nobody in the Mount Rushmore of basketball would be there if Jordan played their position

YulisCromwell:

I'm talking about their efficiency. At least harden can say he shoots more 3s, whats kobricks excuse?

Kobe shot a fair amount of threes in his time too. He's 9th all-time in attempts. The difference is minimal i don't get why you're hammering on it. One is a 36% shooter the other a 32% one. None of which screams elite efficiency anyway

YulisCromwell:

LOL You expect the team to return to shooting on all cylinders after lebron missed a quarter of the season plus with injuries at various points to key players? Theres a difference between giving a player most of the credit and giving him all the credit. With all great players its pretty obvious theyre the most important factor in the win. Thats why these days the team with the most wins usually produce the MVP. When a team loses the best player cant possibly be at fault but everyone else. Thats just a simple concept that has been applied to all greats. But when its lebron its a problem/ You lot just shamelessly keep shifting the goal post, its embarrassing!

He may be a streaky shooter but its a well known fact that shooters play better with lebron on the court. If you dont agree with this you need to go back to basketball 101.

No. We expected the team to not completely implode. He missed 17 games which is about 20% of the season. He returned with almost 40% of the season to play.

The problem is LeNomad did not believe in this team. He wanted them all out to bring in Anthony Davis so in a way whatever problem they had chemistry-wise is largely on him

Every team is dealing with one injury or the other so try another excuse. James Harden played without Capela, Gordon and CP3 for almost 25 games at different points of the season

When a team loses and the best player is just chasing triple doubles and not carrying his team knowing their limitations like Harden is then he deserves a significant share of blame.

Stop repeating this nonsense. There have been numerous games KCP played horribly with LeNomad on the court. Didn't KCP finish with this 7 points on a night LeNomad played a while ago? A player scores 29pts via his own shooting LeNomad gets credit, LeNomad plays and the player shoots badly LeNomad still gets credit while the player gets crucified. Nonsense

Warriors and Spurs responsible for 5 out of 6 of LeDiva's Finals losses...NICE! And of course the other was Dirk beating the "Not 5, Not 6, not 7" super team almost by himself. Haha!

Cline from Purdue is shooting lights outs from beyond the arc!!! Goodness me, the kid is making contested shots...

Giannis is too good how does he get from halfcourt to dunking in 4 seconds?

YulisCromwell:


i dont even care anymore, at least not as much as i used to. I have other things on my plate. I know its improbably but I just hope they trade him. The NBA sucks with him there and the playoffs will be even worse. Spoiler alert, the warriors destroy everyone on their way to another worthless ring. Wont even bother watching.

Lol....
We shall see. Don't write off the Rocket

Killrhymz:
Giannis is too good how does he get from halfcourt to dunking in 4 seconds?

His length is just incredible. Hope the ankle injury gets better for the playoffs.

Manutd19:



Lol....
We shall see. Don't write off the Rocket

The rockets??

A40:

No. We expected the team to not completely implode. He missed 17 games which is about 20% of the season. He returned with almost 40% of the season to play.

The problem is LeNomad did not believe in this team. He wanted them all out to bring in Anthony Davis so in a way whatever problem they had chemistry-wise is largely on him

Can we stop with this lebron is the GM balderdash? it has been refuted multiple times by multiple GMs. Maybe next time Klutch and the lakers front office need to learn to keep things quiet or at least not make it too public.

Every team is dealing with one injury or the other so try another excuse. James Harden played without Capela, Gordon and CP3 for almost 25 games at different points of the season

When a team loses and the best player is just chasing triple doubles and not carrying his team knowing their limitations like Harden is then he deserves a significant share of blame.

So playing games is now chasing triple doubles So if all hes chasing is triple doubles how do they have a better win record with him and how do they have a positive point differential with him?

Stop repeating this nonsense. There have been numerous games KCP played horribly with LeNomad on the court. Didn't KCP finish with this 7 points on a night LeNomad played a while ago? A player scores 29pts via his own shooting LeNomad gets credit, LeNomad plays and the player shoots badly LeNomad still gets credit while the player gets crucified. Nonsense

Laker players with better numbers almost across the board with lebron on the court
Hart
KCP
Javale
Kuzma
Possibly more, but these are three shooters and a roller/dunker. This pseudo analyst doesnt think shooters play better with Lebron, this is new levels of shameless vapid hate

A40:

Naah that's not even the issue here. It's not about this particular instance, I'm saying generally The Kobe slander and disrespect is very real. Especially among Bronsexuals.

I recall the other day Nick Wright coming on TV saying Kobe didn't have an era. That is how nonsensical things are becoming

Why does Kobe not belong in the GOAT discussion? Some say it's Wilt, some say it's Kareem some say it's Magic so why can't Kobe be in the conversation

LOL The only people who believe kobe deserves to be in the conversation are clowns who bought into the whole "mamba mentality" rubbish. Shaq deserves to be in the discussion far more than Kobe. At least shaq had the highest peak in NBA history. He carried teams including kobes bum a-s to three rings.

Kobe DID NOT have an era! How can you have an era when you were never the best player in the league

List the volume Shooting Guards bar Jordan and their career Field Goal percentage let's compare and see if they were more superior. List their PER too while we're at it, Of course they are not competing with the GOAT. Nobody in the Mount Rushmore of basketball would be there if Jordan played their position

Wilt Russell Shaq KAJ all have claims to mount rushmore but second place to Magic, Lebron and even Timmy dont, so what are you even talking about? Is the SG the only position where the best doesnt belong in the discussion?

Kobe shot a fair amount of threes in his time too. He's 9th all-time in attempts. The difference is minimal i don't get why you're hammering on it. One is a 36% shooter the other a 32% one. None of which screams elite efficiency anyway

LOL the man literally has missed more shots than anyone else in NBA history. And in the NBA theres a huge difference between a 36% three shooter and a 32% three shooter. Thats pretty obvious.

A40:
Nonsense! What's their record since he returned. I refuted the notion because this nonsense you people do and give LeNomad all the credit when things go well and shift the blame to the teammates when things go South needs to die.

KCP a well known streaky player scores 35 and reverts to mean the next day and next thing it's because LeNomad didn't play as if LeNomad playing guarantees a win in Utah

Him playing doesn't guarantee a win, it just guarantees better performances. Simple

Lol. Watching Will Cain host First Take yesterday felt like a lion in a cage that can't get to meat right in front of him. He was just watching Stephen A. and Max talk and was itching to talk but couldn't because he was the host

steady986:

Him playing doesn't guarantee a win, it just guarantees better performances. Simple

Remind me their record since LeNomad's return please

YulisCromwell:

LOL The only people who believe kobe deserves to be in the conversation are clowns who bought into the whole "mamba mentality" rubbish. Shaq deserves to be in the discussion far more than Kobe. At least shaq had the highest peak in NBA history. He carried teams including kobes bum a-s to three rings.

Pure unadulterated B.S!! The only year Shaq ever carried Kobe to a ring was the 2000 season. Every other season they were 1A and 1B. Go and rehash this myth and urban legend to basketball neophytes not OG's like us. Anybody who told you Shaq carried Kobe after year 2000 is lying from the pits of hell

Kobe won two rings without Shaq! Kobe will win rings and get to NBA Finals with any competent big man. These are facts

YulisCromwell:

Kobe DID NOT have an era! How can you have an era when you were never the best player in the league

This is another bold-faced lie. From years 2005 to 2009 Kobe was the best player in the league.

Go and ask San Antonio Spurs and Greg Popovich about Kobe and the pain and sorrow he caused them from age 22

YulisCromwell:

Wilt Russell Shaq KAJ all have claims to mount rushmore but second place to Magic, Lebron and even Timmy dont, so what are you even talking about? Is the SG the only position where the best doesnt belong in the discussion?

Neither Shaq nor Russell have any claims to Mt Rushmore. The idea of a Mt Rushmore is not to have more than one player per position so I don't know why you're chasing your tail

YulisCromwell:

LOL the man literally has missed more shots than anyone else in NBA history. And in the NBA theres a huge difference between a 36% three shooter and a 32% three shooter. Thats pretty obvious.

Still ended up with a ring for each finger so what's your point?

A 36% and 32% 3 point shooter are two below average 3 point shooters. Don't have time for any pointless hairsplitting arguments

More of Shaq carrying Kobe

You can loathe Kobe but don't bring that nonsense myth that Kobe was carried in my vicinity. I will destroy it.

Kobe was guarding and still dropping these numbers. Put some respeck on Kobe's name

YulisCromwell:

Can we stop with this lebron is the GM balderdash? it has been refuted multiple times by multiple GMs. Maybe next time Klutch and the lakers front office need to learn to keep things quiet or at least not make it too public.

Who are the multiple GM's that have refuted this? How many coaches have had issues with LeNomad again? It's an open secret that he doesn't like being coached.

Lmaooo are you hearing yourself? Who owns Klutch Sports? Isn't it one of his stooges fronting it for him. He created that toxic situation to start with

YulisCromwell:


So playing games is now chasing triple doubles So if all hes chasing is triple doubles how do they have a better win record with him and how do they have a positive point differential with him?

Why all these Jamb questions. Didn't OKC win while Russ was chasing triple dubs?

YulisCromwell:

Laker players with better numbers almost across the board with lebron on the court
Hart
KCP
Javale
Kuzma
Possibly more, but these are three shooters and a roller/dunker. This pseudo analyst doesnt think shooters play better with Lebron, this is new levels of shameless vapid hate

Boohoo. But they are still 11th in the West. 9 games from playoff contention

Story for the gods! There is a difference between playing better and not giving a player credit for a good game. It's tedious with you Bronsexuals. You can't eat your cake and have it.

Same KCP dropped 7 points in a game where LeNomad played and KCP gets the blame (rightfully so) but don't tell me KCP scores 30points then LeNomad gets the credit. We ain't buying that shyte

A40:

Pure unadulterated B.S!! The only year Shaq ever carried Kobe to a ring was the 2000 season. Every other season they were 1A and 1B. Go and rehash this myth and urban legend to basketball neophytes not OG's like us. Anybody who told you Shaq carried Kobe after year 2000 is lying from the pits of hell

Lol 1A 1B yet 1A was pretty clear for everyone to see, yet 1A was the best player in the league. If you win a championship and you werent the best player on your team you were carried period! If 1B had as much stake then pippen would have a claim to being the GOAT too.

Kobe won two rings without Shaq! Kobe will win rings and get to NBA Finals with any competent big man. These are facts

LMAO! Your man went from winning championships and going to the finals to missing the playoffs the season shaq left, in his prime too. Get to the finals? what happened after 2010?

This is another bold-faced lie. From years 2005 to 2009 Kobe was the best player in the league.

I can list three players ahead of him at each point within this period, from duncan to dirk to lebron. just off the top of my head.

Go and ask San Antonio Spurs and Greg Popovich about Kobe and the pain and sorrow he caused them from age 22

Neither Shaq nor Russell have any claims to Mt Rushmore. The idea of a Mt Rushmore is not to have more than one player per position so I don't know why you're chasing your tail

LOL! The man with 11 rings, the man the finals mvp award is named after doesnt have a claim. The most dominant force in NBA history doesnt have a claim to mount rushmore. SMH, Russell and shaq are usually ranked between 4th to 8th so they do have a stake. Ive seen shaq in many peoples mount rushmore including that clown skip. Plus mount rushmore only has 4 players so it cant be one for each position, its about the four greatest period.

Still ended up with a ring for each finger so what's your point?

Horry ended up with 7 being carried at various points in his career.

A 36% and 32% 3 point shooter are two below average 3 point shooters. Don't have time for any pointless hairsplitting arguments

LOL, small fry, 32% is a bad 3 point shooting percentage, 36% is good. 39 and above is considered elite. This is common knowledge, youd think.

A40:
You can loathe Kobe but don't bring that nonsense myth that Kobe was carried in my vicinity. I will destroy it.

Kobe was guarding and still dropping these numbers. Put some respeck on Kobe's name

LMAO! Your man won a ring averaging less than 16 points in a finals. Shaq would have won two more regardless whether kobe was there or not because no one could stop him. He was carried by the best player in the league period. You picking out one or two series in between wont change that! They won 3 rings, Shaq was finals MVP all three times and it wasnt even close. You can whine all you want but it wont change this fact.

Funny thing is there was a Shaq era, there was never a kobe era.

A40:
Remind me their record since LeNomad's return please

This literally makes no sense whatsoever! So lebrons return should automatically fix their momentum and then fix zo do, kuzma and ingrams injury too yes??

With lebron the lakers are a 40+ win team while without him they are on track for 30. So what exactly are you trying to say please?

YulisCromwell:


LMAO! Your man won a ring averaging less than 16 points in a finals. He was carried by the best player in the league period. You picking out one or two series in between wont change that! They won 3 rings, Shaq was finals MVP all three times and it wasnt even close. You can whine all you want but it wont change this fact.

As a 21 year old. No shame in that! I told you he was only carried in 2000. Not sure what your point is

I've proven you're chatting lies. Shaq padded his numbers vs bare wastemen from the Eastern Conference. Everyone knows this now

Back then the disparity between teams from the East and West was pretty wide. That's why from 99-06 only two teams from the East won a title.

Kobe was not carried

YulisCromwell:


This literally makes no sense whatsoever! So lebrons return should automatically fix their momentum and then fix zo do, kuzma and ingrams injury too yes??

With lebron the lakers are a 40+ win team while without him they are on track for 30. So what exactly are you trying to say please?

The Lakers aren't the only team that dealt with injuries. Stop these watery and rubbish excuses. Their record is their record

The Lakers packed it in with Ingram and Ball when the playoffs were out of reach.

A40:

Who are the multiple GM's that have refuted this? How many coaches have had issues with LeNomad again? It's an open secret that he doesn't like being coached.

Dave Griffin has, Pat Riley has. Youd have to be dumb to think lebron can control maginka and jeanie. Werent you lot saying he wanted to get Lue fired as well? Future events proved he certainly didnt. Stop promoting bar talk as fact.

Lmaooo are you hearing yourself? Who owns Klutch Sports? Isn't it one of his stooges fronting it for him. He created that toxic situation to start with

Rich paul owns klutch. No way he puts lebron over AD. Another dumb thing is people around lebron never get credit for their business acumen. Akin to Phil calling them his posse.

Why all these Jamb questions. Didn't OKC win while Russ was chasing triple dubs?

So how is that stat padding?? Stat padding means it has no positive effect on the game so if they are winning, how does that qualify as stat padding

Boohoo. But they are still 11th in the West. 9 games from playoff contention

LOL Because of injuries and other factors yet. Not even mad, they werent going to win it anyway

Story for the gods! There is a difference between playing better and not giving a player credit for a good game. It's tedious with you Bronsexuals. You can't eat your cake and have it.

Same KCP dropped 7 points in a game where LeNomad played and KCP gets the blame (rightfully so) but don't tell me KCP scores 30points then LeNomad gets the credit. We ain't buying that shyte

Let me explain a certain concept for you in basketball called double teaming, usually when one player draws the attention of more than one opposing player, it tends to open opportunities for shooters, and if hes an elite passer these opportunities are even more pronounced. Thats what people say when they mean shooters and rollers play better with lebron. Doesnt mean if they make their shots they wont get their praise but its easier for them with a player like lebron. Now you know, theres no need to thank me.

A40:
As a 21 year old. No shame in that! I told you he was only carried in 2000. Not sure what your point is

I've proven you're chatting lies. Shaq padded his numbers vs bare wastemen from the Eastern Conference. Everyone knows this now

Back then the disparity between teams from the East and West was pretty wide. That's why from 99-06 only two teams from the East won a title.

Kobe was not carried

Lets not even forget Shaq was being double teamed triple teamed mangled harassed and hack a shaqed during this period. If padding your stats against wastemen was so easy everyone in the league would have done it. What stopped kobe from doing it

A40:
The Lakers aren't the only team that dealt with injuries. Stop these watery and rubbish excuses. Their record is their record

The Lakers packed it in with Ingram and Ball when the playoffs were out of reach.

Tell me just one team that lost their best player for a quarter of the season and are still part of playoff contention bar the warriors and pacers. Especially a team that was tipped for the playoffs not because of how good they are but on the merit of their best player. When rondo was aked why he believed theyd make the playoffs he said, "we have lebron". Ball went down just after lebron and ingrams shoulder wasnt 100, they both required surgery later on and are out for the remainder of the season. Rondo was out for a good spell too. No team suffered with injuries as much as the lakers. The lakers with lebron ingram kuzma and ball healthy were on pace for 50+ wins. Take that for record.

YulisCromwell:

Lol 1A 1B yet 1A was pretty clear for everyone to see, yet 1A was the best player in the league. If you win a championship and you werent the best player on your team you were carried period! If 1B had as much stake then pippen would have a claim to being the GOAT too.

Are you comparing Pippen's numbers to Kobe? Go to the history of NBA and show me anyone who put up the numbers Kobe did as a player that was supposedly carried.

It's bush league logic to claim a player that isn't the outright best in his team was carried. So Xavi was carried by Messi or what is this megedefegede logic you're chatting

YulisCromwell:

LMAO! Your man went from winning championships and going to the finals to missing the playoffs the season shaq left, in his prime too. Get to the finals? what happened after 2010?

Kobe without Shaq - 3 Finals
Shaq without Kobe - 2 Finals

After 2010 Kobe got old. Getting to 7 NBA Finals in 10 years in a tougher conference took its toll.

YulisCromwell:

I can list three players ahead of him at each point within this period, from duncan to dirk to lebron. just off the top of my head.

Fake news.

Which of them went to more Finals than Kobe within that period

YulisCromwell:

LOL! The man with 11 rings, the man the finals mvp award is named after doesnt have a claim. The most dominant force in NBA history doesnt have a claim to mount rushmore. SMH, Russell and shaq are usually ranked between 4th to 8th so they do have a stake. Ive seen shaq in many peoples mount rushmore including that clown skip. Plus mount rushmore only has 4 players so it cant be one for each position, its about the four greatest period.

You're joking! Lmaooooo that Celtics team had 8 HOFers. They were stacked to the teeth!!

They had the most talent and least competition by a country mile.

Shaq ain't on my Mount Rushmore. When you have a teammate that can carry the scoring load while guarding the other teams best perimeter guy while you feast on bums at your position it's easier to dominate

YulisCromwell:

Horry ended up with 7 being carried at various points in his career.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

YulisCromwell:

LOL, small fry, 32% is a bad 3 point shooting percentage, 36% is good. 39 and above is considered elite. This is common knowledge, youd think.

There is nothing good about a 36% shooting percentage. That's bang average!

YulisCromwell:


Dave Griffin has, Pat Riley has. Youd have to be dumb to think lebron can control maginka and jeanie. Werent you lot saying he wanted to get Lue fired as well? Future events proved he certainly didnt. Stop promoting bar talk as fact.

You want Dave Griffin to come out and tell you he was a lame duck? Lmaooo everyone knew Pat Riley ran the ship in Miami. Thanks for telling us what we know Captain Obvious

YulisCromwell:

Rich paul owns klutch. No way he puts lebron over AD. Another dumb thing is people around lebron never get credit for their business acumen. Akin to Phil calling them his posse.

What are you like 5? Who set him up? What was he handling before LeNomad got into the league? What clout and cred does Rich Paul have without LeNomad? Please shift

YulisCromwell:

So how is that stat padding?? Stat padding means it has no positive effect on the game so if they are winning, how does that qualify as stat padding

They are 33-42. That's what I can glean from all this Old Wives Tale you're telling

YulisCromwell:

LOL Because of injuries and other factors yet. Not even mad, they werent going to win it anyway

Story for the gods. There was time to make the playoffs. They folded

YulisCromwell:

Let me explain a certain concept for you in basketball called double teaming, usually when one player draws the attention of more than one opposing player, it tends to open opportunities for shooters, and if hes an elite passer these opportunities are even more pronounced. Thats what people say when they mean shooters and rollers play better with lebron. Doesnt mean if they make their shots they wont get their praise but its easier for them with a player like lebron. Now you know, theres no need to thank me.

KCP's season high of 35 pts was at Milwaukee.

Guess what? LeNomad didn't play.

So stop yarning verbose megedefegede. KCP is a notoriously streaky shooter and when he gets cold even John Stockton couldn't assist him

YulisCromwell:


Lets not even forget Shaq was being double teamed triple teamed mangled harassed and hack a shaqed during this period. If padding your stats against wastemen was so easy everyone in the league would have done it. What stopped kobe from doing it

How many times was he able to do it without Kobe? Kobe achieved more success without Shaq. He led a team to three straight Finals with Gasol which shows he could win with any capable big man

Like Barkley said. If he had Kobe he would have won rings too

A40:

You want Dave Griffin to come out and tell you he was a lame duck? Lmaooo everyone knew Pat Riley ran the ship in Miami. Thanks for telling us what we know Captain Obvious

Seeing as these actions got him fired why would he resist the chance to blame it on bron knowing that might redeem him except if thats the truth?

What are you like 5? Who set him up? What was he handling before LeNomad got into the league? What clout and cred does Rich Paul have without LeNomad? Please shift

LOL Lebron is player coach Gm and now super agent. You lot are too funny

They are 33-42. That's what I can glean from all this Old Wives Tale you're telling

But thats their absolute record. You said lebron is stat padding but the lakers are on a 40+ win pace in the games he played, how is that stat padding?

Story for the gods. There was time to make the playoffs. They folded

Yeah they just came out and decided they didnt want to make the playoffs so they made injuries and created fake trade talks

KCP's season high of 35 pts was at Milwaukee.

Guess what? LeNomad didn't play.

So stop yarning verbose megedefegede. KCP is a notoriously streaky shooter and when he gets cold even John Stockton couldn't assist him

LOL your illiteracy reminds me of charlie from IASIP. I mentioned double teams and this guy is talking about john stockton

You dont understand statistics, there are averages and then their are outliers, on average how much did kcp average with lebron on the court and without lebron

eg the average iq in this thread might be below world average, doesnt mean there arent outliers like myself, capiche?

A40:
How many times was he able to do it without Kobe? Kobe achieved more success without Shaq. He led a team to three straight Finals with Gasol which shows he could win with any capable big man

Like Barkley said. If he had Kobe he would have won rings too

LOL Imagine taking barkleys words seriously

Did gasol stop being capable after 2010

I'll give kobe credit for his two rings with his two FMVPS. Those first three were shaqs period.