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Jessicha:
Luke did , and 1 Pet 2:9 proved it beyond doubt that when Jesus made that promise , its a promise associated with the covenant.

And it happens the same day Jesus made the ate the Lord evening meal . see throw away all this hullabobo and reason with fact.


.1John 2;2 , sins of the world not members of the new covenant alone.... Enough.



Hope u read that 1John 2:2 , Jesus died for all .. .

The new covenant is a different thing, and its members are a royal Priesthood. To think am speaking with someone who claimed to have been a Bible student baffles me . no wonder

Can sins be forgiven without the new covenant?

rottennaija:

Yes. They will also sit on 12 thrones and judge the 12 tribes of Israel.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are not like that, for you are a chosen people. You are a kingdom of priests, God's holy nation, his very own possession. This is so you can show others the goodness of God, for he called you out of the darkness into his wonderful light.
1 Peter 2:10 [b]"Once you were not a people; [/b]now you are the people of God. Once you received none of God's mercy; now you have received his mercy."


Questions.
1. Who where not once a people and have become a people? Jews or Gentiles?

If yes, that exclude those whom they rule over from the new covenant. Comprehende ?

rottennaija:
Can sins be forgiven without the new covenant?

Ransom is enough to cleanse all sins

Jesus died for ALL even pagans .1 John 2:2

Maximus69:
The new covenant began with the 12 Apostles as 11 of them were included in the anointing by God's holy spirit,because Jesus INSTITUTED it with them!
Take note that Judas Iscariot was exempted during that initiation! Luke 22:3,4,19
Their number began diminishing as the figure 144,000 is almost reaching it's completion. Even in the first century, not all the Christians were part of that new covenant. That's why many who presumed they were part of it fell sick and some DIED due to MISCONCEPTION! 1Corinthians 11:27-30 compared to Matthew 22:1-14
Today the majority of Jehovah's Witnesses are members of the other sheep. John 10:16
Just a few are the remaining ones of partakers of the new covenant!
[b]Before anyone can get the sense of the new covenant you must first understand how the old covenant was applied. The Passover was between Jehovah and the nation of Israel with Moses as the mediator!
Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant and it was between God and the 144,000 anointed Christians. [/b]Others will benefit from this new covenant if ONLY they 'grab the skirt if those Jews'[144,000] and stick with them wherever they go,whatever they ask them to do, because they've heard that Jehovah is with them! Zechariah 8:23
That is why NONE of those who failed to recognise these spiritual Jews can get into their Kingdom, Jesus mediated between God and ONLY them, so whoever wish to be taken into their kingdom MUST first of all acknowledge them! Matthew 25:31-46
So don't think you can evade the PROTOCOL. If you don't know and work with the REAL partakers of the new covenant, Jesus have NO business with you!

Can you open up a Bible passage that says the new covenant is between Jehovah and the 144000?

Jessicha:
Ransom is enough to cleanse all sins

Jesus died for ALL even pagans .1 John 2:2

And the ransom is not a part of God's arrangement to reconcile people to himself?

Jessicha:
If yes, that exclude those whom they rule over from the new covenant. Comprehende ?

You referred to 1 Pe 2:9. I also included verse 10. Who is Peter addressing? Jews or gentiles?

rottennaija:
And the ransom is not a part of God's arrangement to reconcile people to himself?

You are not making any sense sir

Jessicha:
You are not making any sense sir

No! I am and the question is really simply. You said the ransom is enough to cleanse all of their sins. You said Jesus died for even pagans. That is true. Now, I am asking you.

rottennaija:
Is/was the ransom not a part of God's arrangement to reconcile people to himself?

rottennaija:
You referred to 1 Pe 2:9. I also included verse 10. Who is Peter addressing? Jews or gentiles?

Its obvious you have nothing else to say. The next time you go around peddling falsehood against witnesses , this thread will be your judge.

rottennaija:
No! I am and the question is really simply. You said the ransom is enough to cleanse all of their sins. And I am asking you.

Ransom cleanse all sins even those who have died in the past, God forgives them ... Are dead people part of the new covenant since their sins are forgiven on the basis of ransom ? U know the answer

Thinking ability is all you need at this point

Jessicha:
Jesus died for the whole world , he became the second Adam , see even non Christians he died for them, even Muslims he died for them ... That doesn't make any of them part of the new covenant but yet their Adamic sins are forgiven .

So don't try bringing irrelevant stuff. 1John 2:2 I'd clear enough, not just for his disciples the whole world even those who died in the past . so don't tell me Jesus dying for someone makes them a part of the new covenant.

Your friend confess John 3:8 is about the new covenant, so God choose who becomes a memeber.

Now let this sink in your mind, once a person is member of the new covenant, they are a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD . u can try argue it, okay 1 Pet 2:9, Luke 22:28-30

Jessicha: Jesus died for the whole world , he became the second Adam,

Achorladey: Yes, Jesus Christ categorically stated that. The lamb that takes the sin of the whole world.

Jessicha: see even non Christians he died for them, even Muslims he died for them ...

Achorladey: Yes!

Jessicha: That doesn't make any of them part of the new covenant but yet their Adamic sins are forgiven.

Achorladey: Can you state the SIMPLE reason why they are NOT PART OF the ONLY ONE NEW COVENANT as contained in the scriptures?

Jessicha: So don't try bringing irrelevant stuff.

Achorladey: You are the one trying to introduce IRRELEVANT STUFF by going as far as SAYING I made JESUS CHRIST a LIAR.

Jessicha: 1John 2:2 I'd clear enough, not just for his disciples the whole world even those who died in the past.

Achorladey: 1 John 2:2 is indeed CLEAR ENOUGH JESUS CHRIST is the LAMB that takes away the sin of the WORLD AWAY.

Jessicha: so don't tell me Jesus dying for someone makes them a part of the new covenant.

Achorladey: I have not said that JESUS dying and taking the SIN of the WORLD simply means EVERYONE (MUSLIMS/NON CHRISTIANS e. t. c) AUTOMATICALLY are in the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT. The reason for my question above which I hope you answer soon.

Jessicha: Your friend confess John 3:8 is about the new covenant, so God choose who becomes a memeber.

Achorladey: We will eventually get to John 3:8 and see whether it is about the ONLY ONE NEW COVENANT or not.

Jessicha: Now let THIS SINK in your mind, once a PERSON is MEMBER of the NEW COVENANT, they are a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD. u can try argue it, okay 1 Pet 2:9, Luke 22:28-30

Achorladey: I am aware of THESE SCRIPTURES you have cited and I know that Christ has made those in the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD.

The question that remain here that relates to the first question in this my post ABOVE is what makes a person A MEMBER OF THIS ONLY ONE NEW COVENANT that eventually made them KING and PRIEST in CHRIST KINGDOM?

Jessicha:
Its obvious you have nothing else to say. The next time you go around peddling falsehood against witnesses , this thread will be your judge.

No. Nothing is obvious. I am asking you. In relation to 1 Pe 2:9, the apostle Peter wrote the letter a certain group of people. I am asking you,

Allowing the context of the letter to show, who was his audience? Jews or gentiles? Jewish Christians or Gentiles?

Read again here. In fact you can read the whole chapter.

1 Peter 2:8 And the Scriptures also say, "He is the stone that makes people stumble, the rock that will make them fall." They stumble because they do not listen to God's word or obey it, and so they meet the fate that has been planned for them.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are not like that, for you are a chosen people. You are a kingdom of priests, God's holy nation, his very own possession. This is so you can show others the goodness of God, for he called you out of the darkness into his wonderful light.

1 Peter 2:10 "Once you were not a people; now you are the people of God. Once you received none of God's mercy; now you have received his mercy."

1 Peter 2:11 Dear brothers and sisters, you are foreigners and aliens here. So I warn you to keep away from evil desires because they fight against your very souls.


Who where those who were not once a people? Jews or gentiles?

achorladey:
Jessicha: Jesus died for the whole world , he became the second Adam,

Achorladey: Yes, Jesus Christ categorically stated that. The lamb that takes the sin of the whole world.

Jessicha: see even non Christians he died for them, even Muslims he died for them ...

Achorladey: Yes!

Jessicha: That doesn't make any of them part of the new covenant but yet their Adamic sins are forgiven.

Achorladey: Can you state the SIMPLE reason why they are NOT PART OF the ONLY ONE NEW COVENANT as contained in the scriptures?

Jessicha: So don't try bringing irrelevant stuff.

Achorladey: You are the one trying to introduce IRRELEVANT STUFF by going as far as SAYING I made JESUS CHRIST a LIAR.

Jessicha: 1John 2:2 I'd clear enough, not just for his disciples the whole world even those who died in the past.

Achorladey: 1 John 2:2 is indeed CLEAR ENOUGH JESUS CHRIST is the LAMB that takes away the sin of the WORLD AWAY.

Jessicha: so don't tell me Jesus dying for someone makes them a part of the new covenant.

Achorladey: I have not said that JESUS dying and taking the SIN of the WORLD simply means EVERYONE (MUSLIMS/NON CHRISTIANS e. t. c) AUTOMATICALLY are in the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT. The reason for my question above which I hope you answer soon.

Jessicha: Your friend confess John 3:8 is about the new covenant, so God choose who becomes a memeber.

Achorladey: We will eventually get to John 3:8 and see whether it is about the ONLY ONE NEW COVENANT or not.

Jessicha: Now let THIS SINK in your mind, once a PERSON is MEMBER of the NEW COVENANT, they are a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD. u can try argue it, okay 1 Pet 2:9, Luke 22:28-30

Achorladey: I am aware of THESE SCRIPTURES you have cited and I know that Christ has made those in the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD.

@bold , that exclude those whom they will rule upon . simple .. Proving my point that not all are in the new covenant.

The question that remain here that relates to the first question in this my post ABOVE is what makes a person A MEMBER OF THIS ONLY ONE NEW COVENANT that eventually made them KING and PRIEST in CHRIST KINGDOM?

God choose - John 3:8

Jessicha:
Ransom cleanse all sins even those who have died in the past, God forgives them ... Are dead people part of the new covenant since their sins are forgiven on the basis of ransom ? U know the answer

Thinking ability is all you need at this point

All what you have written above is correct. Even the part that says I need thinking ability. I acknowledge it and God is helping me to think. Same is true for you, you need ability to think a little.

However, you have not answered my question. And I'll ask again. Ransom of Jesus cleanse all sins even those who have died in the past, God forgives them. The Bible even says that God was forgiving past sins because of the ransom.

Now, I'll ask again the same question. Is this random sacrifice not part of God's arrangement to reconcile people to himself?

Jessicha:
Ransom cleanse all sins even those who have died in the past, God forgives them ... Are dead people part of the new covenant since their sins are forgiven on the basis of ransom ? U know the answer

Thinking ability is all you need at this point

Please, when quoting me. Quote everything. It helps in the flow. Thanks

Maximus69:
Partakers in the government are NOT elected by the [reasonable or stupid] people but CHOSEN by God. So even those Chosen follow divine arrangement. Revelations 14:1
Partakers can ONLY know their Emperor[President] but the PERSON given orders to the Emperor remains ANONYMOUS! 1Corinthians 2:16
All the subjects must bow to whatever the Emperor says without hesitation, NO questioning! Philippians 2:9-11
So people prefer Leadership when they will always have a say even if their idea is stupid so far the person in the front was ELECTED by them!
But God prefer Rulership by IRON hand! Revelations 2:27

I can very well assure you that systems of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god are long gone. We have had many in the past but even in the Bible, not since Samuel, I think, and God told him to hand over to a King. Even long before that it was judges who ruled, and not the priests. I don't even think the sons of Aaron ever ruled nor the priesthood house of the Levites. Could someone correct me where I err please.

People thought Jesus was coming from God to be an earthly king but we saw what sort of king he was, the day of celebration of what we did to him not long gone! And even if "God preferred Rulership by IRON hand" (and I must say the evidence in support of this claim is slim!), God has never ever imposed "Rulership by IRON hand", ever! Not in the Garden of Eden on Adam and Eve, and not on the angels long before them nor the Israelites at any one time. Not one single instance has God ever ruled with iron hands! Please correct me if you know of an instance.

I'm in fact inclined to say that God has never ever ruled but always delegated dominion over the earth to us humans. Why you think all of us will sit unworthily at the bottom of the mountain waiting for anybody, not to talk of JWs, to go up the mountain and return to tell us what God said amuses me. I guess you fail to reckon with those of us who'd say, "What the fuq, Lord! Has Moses got two heads?! Is it not you who created us also? We are coming up too to look on your face God!" Or perhaps we'd be gotten rid of first?

We will always have a say, Maximus69. Even in countries ruled by islamic theocrats people are rising up and having a say, so how you plan to impose "bow to whatever the Emperor says without hesitation, NO questioning", amuses me. Don't you JWs refuse to join in governance? I wonder if you vote even!? I wonder too what promises have been made to make you believe you'd be one of the rulers. The old "We are the happy chosen few" ideology, perhaps?

I now see the motive that drives JWs, at least, according to you, and why you have to conceal it. World dominance? Good luck with that Maximus69. Lol.

Jessicha:
He is biting more than he can chew bro .

Because there is a warning to avoid Apostates, most of them thought they've got something worthwhile to say against Jehovah's arrangement!

rottennaija:
No. Nothing is obvious. I am asking you. In relation to 1 Pe 2:9, the apostle Peter wrote the letter a certain group of people. I am asking you,

Allowing the context of the letter to show, who was his audience? Jews or gentiles? Jewish Christians or Gentiles?

Read again here. In fact you can read the whole chapter.

1 Peter 2:8 And the Scriptures also say, "He is the stone that makes people stumble, the rock that will make them fall." They stumble because they do not listen to God's word or obey it, and so they meet the fate that has been planned for them.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are not like that, for you are a chosen people. You are a kingdom of priests, God's holy nation, his very own possession. This is so you can show others the goodness of God, for he called you out of the darkness into his wonderful light.

1 Peter 2:10 "Once you were not a people; now you are the people of God. Once you received none of God's mercy; now you have received his mercy."

1 Peter 2:11 Dear brothers and sisters, you are foreigners and aliens here. So I warn you to keep away from evil desires because they fight against your very souls.


Who where those who were not once a people? Jews or gentiles?

Non Christians. Either Jew or gentiles ...

How does that nullify the fact that members of Tue new covenant are Royal Priesthood ?

Maximus69:
Because there is a warning to avoid Apostates, most of them thought they've got something worthwhile to say against Jehovah's arrangement!

Lol ...

rottennaija:
All what you have written above is correct. Even the part that says I need thinking ability. I acknowledge it and God is helping me to think. Same is true for you, you need ability to think a little.

However, you have not answered my question. And I'll ask again. Ransom of Jesus cleanse all sins even those who have died in the past, God forgives them. The Bible even says that God was forgiving past sins because of the ransom.

Now, I'll ask again the same question. Is this random sacrifice not part of God's arrangement to reconcile people to himself?

Yes , 1Tim 2:5 .

But becoming a member of the new covenant is a different thing entirely . its a promise with a hope of becoming King and Priest , do u have issues with that ?

rottennaija:
Can you open up a Bible passage that says the new covenant is between Jehovah and the 144000?

Can you open up a Bible passage that SPECIFICALLY says the new covenant is between Jehovah and all mankind?
Come~on Revelations 14:1 specifically says Jehovah's name and Jesus' name is WRITTEN in the foreheads of ONLY the 144,000
Whereas the rest of mankind must exercise faith in the gospel and teachings of these first fruits[Revelations 20:5] before they can gain everlasting life! Revelations 14:6,7

Maximus69:
Because there is a warning to avoid Apostates, most of them thought they've got something worthwhile to say against Jehovah's arrangement!

TATIME, Maximus69, Jozzy4, Jessicha
In all the calling, insult, etc, what have you notice?
We keep focus, because we know it has been an age long propaganda tool. So, we don't bother. We stay focus and keep to task.

Maximus69:
Jesus mediated between God and ONLY them, so whoever wish to be taken into their kingdom MUST first of all acknowledge them! Matthew 25:31-46

"But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. Before him all the nations will be gathered, and he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats". Matthew 25:31–46

The text does not in anyway imply that "Jesus mediated between God and ONLY them" ! Scripture clearly states he came to save the entire world and would go after even one single lost sheep, and to be honest with you, I can't bet Jesus wouldn't save repentant goats!

Nor is it mentioned anywhere that "whoever wish to be taken into their kingdom MUST first of all acknowledge them"! Through Christ alone, saith the Word. And not, "through some other messiahs called jw"!

rottennaija:
TATIME, Maximus69, Jozzy4, Jessicha
In all the calling, insult, etc, what have you notice?
We keep focus, because we know it has been an age long propaganda tool. So, we don't bother. We stay focus and keep to task.

Don't bring that victim card, know u also insult the intelligence of TATIME and Maximus69 by saying its their religious leaders dictating what to believe rather than address them as a person. so no wonder they fired back.

Abegi face the issue. Ordinary John 3:8 u can't answer . even when u saw live proof point blank that new covenant members are Royal priesthood , u still try to somersault somewhere else. This is beyond you, I guess .

Jessicha:
@bold , that exclude those whom they will rule upon . simple .. Proving my point that not all are in the new covenant.



God choose - John 3:8

Jessicha: @bold , that exclude those whom they will rule upon . simple .. Proving my point that not all are in the new covenant

Achorladey: Let's make this simpler, is it possible for you to ISOLATE scripturally from the way the ONE and ONLY NEW CONVENANT was INSTITUTED who are those not IN SUCH CONVENANT?

Jessicha: God choose - John 3:8

Achorladey: This is John 3:8......

The wind blows where it wants to, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from and where it is going. So it is with everyone who has been born from the spirit.”

So how can you explain how God choose those in the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT using the scriptures you have cited above.

Jessicha:
Non Christians. Either Jew or gentiles ...

How does that nullify the fact that members of Tue new covenant are Royal Priesthood ?

Thanks for the answer. At least, we are getting somewhere. However, your answer is wrong. The apostle Peter is addressing specifically non-Jewish Christian.

Now, he is addressing as those who will be a kingdom of priests, God's holy nation, his very own possession. The gentiles were the people who were not a people; now you are the people of God. Once you received none of God's mercy; now you have received his mercy

Peter himself is not included in his letter. But Jesus has already promised him to sit on thrones and will also judge the 12 tribes of Israel. His crown is certain.

Why did I mention this? Because you are forcing 1 Pe 2:9 on Lu 22 :28-30.

Going back to the new covenant, on what basis where their sins forgiven? On what basis did they get back on God's good grace before they could ever been a kingdom of priests and a holy nation? (Don't forget, these ones are not natural jews but non-Jewish Christian.)

I hope you have taken time to read 1 Pe 2? I hope you can see that the apostle Peter is addressing gentile Christians in verse 9 and 10

achorladey:
Jessicha: @bold , that exclude those whom they will rule upon . simple .. Proving my point that not all are in the new covenant

Achorladey: Let's make this simpler, is it possible for you to ISOLATE scripturally from the way the ONE and ONLY NEW CONVENANT was INSTITUTED who are those not IN SUCH CONVENANT?

Chosen to rule over the earth - that's written all over the scriptures. We also read of the " New earth " where righteousness dwells - 2Pet 3:13... Its righteous people that will be on earth too . so those once on Earth are not part of the royal priesthood , so Not a member of new covenant . this is ABC of the Bible . gosh

Jessicha: God choose - John 3:8

Achorladey: This is John 3:8......

The wind blows where it wants to, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from and where it is going. So it is with everyone who has been born from the spirit.”

So how can you explain how God choose those in the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT using the scriptures you have cited above.

Hahahahaha , even your friend can see it already.

U can't dictate where the wind comes from or goes but you can hear the sound.

Someone chosen only realize God has chosen them, but they are not in control of how it happen ( Source ) . just as you can't know the source of the wind.

So it is with everyone born by the spirit. And when you are born by spirit, you undergo the spiritual birth with a hope to be joint heirs with Christ.

Jessicha:
Don't bring that victim card, know u also insult the intelligence of TATIME and Maximus69 by saying its their religious leaders dictating what to believe rather than address them as a person. so no wonder they fired back.

Abegi face the issue. Ordinary John 3:8 u can't answer . even when u saw live proof point blank that new covenant members are Royal priesthood , u still try to somersault somewhere else. This is beyond you, I guess .

Actually, it's not a victim card. And as I know, whatever your leaders teach that you believe. Tomorrow if (and when, because they will) they teach you are all in the new covenant, you will accept it. So, I started what is factual.

On John 3:8, we will eventually get to that. Let's appreciate what God had done first through the new covenant.

Jessicha:
Non Christians. Either Jew or gentiles ...

How does that nullify the fact that members of Tue new covenant are Royal Priesthood ?

Jessicha: Non Christians. Either Jew or gentiles ...

Achorladey: Then can it be stated here that all CHRISTIANS are in the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT?

Jessicha: How does that nullify the fact that members of The new covenant are Royal Priesthood?

Achorladey: Don't seem to understand the reason for this question.

rottennaija:
Actually, it's not a victim card. And as I know, whatever your leaders teach that you believe. Tomorrow is they teach you are all in the new covenant, we will accept it. So, I started what is factual.

On John 3:8, we will eventually get to that. Let's appreciate what God had done first through the new covenant.

1000 years to this time, u won't attempt John 3:8 . cos e go dismantle you. Please just hold your peace am done with you. The point has been made

Jessicha:
1000 years to this time, u won't attempt John 3:8 . cos e go dismantle you. Please just hold your peace am done with you. The point has been made

My dear, relax. Before watchtower started, people had understood what John 3:8 says. It's even in your watchtower library, directly saying exactly what the clergy of 'christensdom' says.

Bible commentaries has been explaining the scriptures for 100s of years. So, let's handle one issue at a time. OK? It's only last year that watchtower attempted bringing John 3:8 to support their doctrine on heavenly calling. For more than 50 years, they have not even done that. But this year, I see they have not done so and have chosen to go back to Ro 8:16.

So, don't be in a haste. Hopefully, when we are through with reasoning from the scriptures, you will appreciate what the gospel of Christ is about.

rottennaija:
Thanks for the answer. At least, we are getting somewhere. However, your answer is wrong. The apostle Peter is addressing specifically non-Jewish Christian.

Now, he is addressing as those who will be a kingdom of priests, God's holy nation, his very own possession. The gentiles were the people who were not a people; now you are the people of God. Once you received none of God's mercy; now you have received his mercy

Peter himself is not included in his letter. But Jesus has already promised him to sit on thrones and will also judge the 12 tribes of Israel. His crown is certain.

Why did I mention this? Because you are forcing 1 Pe 2:9 on Lu 22 :28-30.

Going back to the new covenant, on what basis where their sins forgiven? On what basis did they get back on God's good grace before they could ever been a kingdom of priests and a holy nation? (Don't forget, these ones are not natural jews but non-Jewish Christian.)

I hope you have taken time to read 1 Pe 2? I hope you can see that the apostle Peter is addressing gentile Christians in verse 9 and 10

Jessicha

I hope you have taken time to read 1 Pe 2? I hope you can see that the apostle Peter is addressing gentile Christians in verse 9 and 10

Going back to the new covenant, on what basis where their sins forgiven? On what basis did they get back on God's good grace before they could ever been a kingdom of priests and a holy nation? (Don't forget, these ones are not natural jews but non-Jewish Christian.)