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Maximus69:
Was the old covenant between God and all mankind?
Is it possible for other nationals to benefit from the old covenant?
Can those from other nations benefit without FIRST of all associating with Israelites?
These questions will help interested persons to know who and who is involved in the new covenant. Moses was the mediator of the old covenant and it's clear from the stories that the Israelites were known for the laws of Moses and the name of their God YHWH!
Meaning the names of YHWH and Moses could be said to have been familiar with this nation and that makes it easy for other nations to register the TWO names in their minds due to the laws YHWH gave the Israelites by the hands of Moses!
Jehovah's Witnesses said the new covenant is just between God and 144,000 persons with Jesus serving as mediator. Well whoever have a contrary opinion should please enlighten us about the significance of the figure '144,000' and how come Jehovah's name and Jesus' name is said to be WRITTEN on their foreheads! Revelations 14:1

Maximus69: Jehovah's Witnesses said the new covenant is just between God and 144,000 persons with Jesus serving as mediator.

Achorladey: Acts 2:5 For there is one God, and one MEDIATOR between God and men, a man CHRIST JESUS.

Did you in anywhere see 144,000 in that scripture cited by APOSTLE PAUL a member of the 144,000 according to the JWS THEOLOGY?


Maximus69: Well whoever have a contrary opinion should please enlighten us about the significance of the figure '144,000' and how come Jehovah's name and Jesus' name is said to be WRITTEN on their foreheads! Revelations 14:1

Achorladey: Do you understand, what is in a name? If you do then you should understand these scriptures

John 5: 43 I have COME in MY FATHER'S NAME, and you do not accept me. If someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.

John 17:11 I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them SAFE in YOUR NAME that you have GIVEN ME, so that they may be one just as we are one. 

Phillipians 2: As a result God highly EXALTED HIM and GAVE HIM the NAME that is above EVERY NAME, 10 so that at the NAME of JESUS every KNEE will BOW
—in HEAVEN and on EARTH and under the EARTH— 11 and every tongue confess that JESUS CHRIST is Lord to the glory of God the Father.

Acts 4: 10-12 10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the NAME of JESUS CHRIST the Nazarene whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, this man stands before you healthy. 11 This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, that has become the cornerstone. 12 And there is SALVATION in no one else, for there is no OTHER NAME under HEAVEN GIVEN among PEOPLE by which we must be saved.”

Lastly 2 Corinthians 1:20 For every one of God’s promises are “Yes” in him; therefore also through him the “Amen” is spoken, to the glory we give to God. 


Does this last scripture RING a BELL as to MEANING of GOD'S NAME recorded in Exodus 3:14 I WILL BECOME WHAT I CHOOSE TO BECOME?

Jozzy4:
God knows Mr Man John 3 vs 8

From personal opinion , almost all of them in the first century have the heavenly hope as Kings. 2 Tim 2:12 if we endure, we will rule as kings.

Though some backslide and failed to endure.

While you are not definitive, Watchtower is definitive that all true Christians in the first century were anointed Christians. Note, all true Christians.
They are also very definitive that they has been only one calling in the first century, at least till 1900s.


"As spirit-anointed brothers of Christ, all the early Christians had the prospect of being heavenly priests with Christ." Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom p.35

"And Christians back there in the first century needed it. At that time all of them were spirit-anointed Christians who looked forward to a future resurrection "into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." "Let Your Kingdom Come" p.88

"For some 19 centuries after this there was only one calling, the heavenly one. It was an undeserved kindness that God bestowed on a limited number in furtherance of his own wise and loving purposes." United in Worship of the only True God p.111

"Selecting these future corulers over mankind would take time. Why? For one thing, that opportunity had to be extended to people of all nations. And, while many professed to lay hold of it, few truly proved to be faithful followers of God's Son. (Matthew 22:14) High standards had to be met." True Peace and Security - How Can You Find It? p.65

"We understand that this heavenly calling continued down through the centuries, though during the so-called Dark Ages, there may have been times when the number of anointed ones were very few. With the reestablishment of true Christianity near the end of the last century, more were called and chosen. But it seems that in the mid-1930's, the full number of the 144,000 was basically completed. Thus there began to appear a group of loyal Christians with the earthly hope. Jesus termed such "other sheep," who unite in worship with the anointed as one approved flock." Watchtower 1996 Aug 15 p.31

So we agreed that every true Christian in the first century was destined to be king in heaven, had received the anointing? Yes?

achorladey:
Maximus69: Jehovah's Witnesses said the new covenant is just between God and 144,000 persons with Jesus serving as mediator.

Achorladey: Acts 2:5 For there is one God, and one MEDIATOR between God and men, a man CHRIST JESUS.

Did you in anywhere see 144,000 in that scripture cited by APOSTLE PAUL a member of the 144,000 according to the JWS THEOLOGY?


Maximus69: Well whoever have a contrary opinion should please enlighten us about the significance of the figure '144,000' and how come Jehovah's name and Jesus' name is said to be WRITTEN on their foreheads! Revelations 14:1

Achorladey: Do you understand, what is in a name? If you do then you should understand these scriptures

John 5: 43 I have COME in MY FATHER'S NAME, and you do not accept me. If someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.

John 17:11 I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them SAFE in YOUR NAME that you have GIVEN ME, so that they may be one just as we are one. 

Phillipians 2: As a result God highly EXALTED HIM and GAVE HIM the NAME that is above EVERY NAME, 10 so that at the NAME of JESUS every KNEE will BOW
—in HEAVEN and on EARTH and under the EARTH— 11 and every tongue confess that JESUS CHRIST is Lord to the glory of God the Father.

Acts 4: 10-12 10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the NAME of JESUS CHRIST the Nazarene whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, this man stands before you healthy. 11 This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, that has become the cornerstone. 12 And there is SALVATION in no one else, for there is no OTHER NAME under HEAVEN GIVEN among PEOPLE by which we must be saved.”

Lastly 2 Corinthians 1:20 For every one of God’s promises are “Yes” in him; therefore also through him the “Amen” is spoken, to the glory we give to God. 


Does this last scripture RING a BELL as to MEANING of GOD'S NAME recorded in Exodus 3:14 I WILL BECOME WHAT I CHOOSE TO BECOME?

Just TWO question Sir!
1, WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE FIGURE [144,000]?
2, WHY IS IT THAT ONLY THIS NUMBER THAT HAS THE TWO NAMES WRITTEN ON THEIR FOREHEADS?
Your lengthy write~up or explanation is surely appreciated Sir, however it does not address the questions !
Jehovah's Witnesses have presented their interpretation of the scripture on the matter and it is well understood. You claim you worship the same God with JWs[when your friends and supporters are saying JWs worships demons] yet you still saying they're wrong with that interpretation.
So present a much clearer and simpler meaning because the whole world today can read the Bible in their respective languages but the figure 144,000 and the reason why only those one have the TWO names WRITTEN on their forehead is the problem!
Everyone can read John 3:16 and it is clear enough!

rottennaija:
While you are not definitive, Watchtower is definitive that all true Christians in the first century were anointed Christians. Note, all true Christians.
They are also very definitive that they has been only one calling in the first century, at least till 1900s.


"As spirit-anointed brothers of Christ, all the early Christians had the prospect of being heavenly priests with Christ." Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom p.35

"And Christians back there in the first century needed it. At that time all of them were spirit-anointed Christians who looked forward to a future resurrection "into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." "Let Your Kingdom Come" p.88

"For some 19 centuries after this there was only one calling, the heavenly one. It was an undeserved kindness that God bestowed on a limited number in furtherance of his own wise and loving purposes." United in Worship of the only True God p.111

"Selecting these future corulers over mankind would take time. Why? For one thing, that opportunity had to be extended to people of all nations. And, while many professed to lay hold of it, few truly proved to be faithful followers of God's Son. (Matthew 22:14) High standards had to be met." True Peace and Security - How Can You Find It? p.65

"We understand that this heavenly calling continued down through the centuries, though during the so-called Dark Ages, there may have been times when the number of anointed ones were very few. With the reestablishment of true Christianity near the end of the last century, more were called and chosen. But it seems that in the mid-1930's, the full number of the 144,000 was basically completed. Thus there began to appear a group of loyal Christians with the earthly hope. Jesus termed such "other sheep," who unite in worship with the anointed as one approved flock." Watchtower 1996 Aug 15 p.31

So we agreed that every true Christian in the first century was destined to be king in heaven, had received the anointing? Yes?

You've dropped out of the JW's theocratic ministry SCHOOL long ago my friend, that's why you don't know what the NEW LIGHT later revealed to the Bible students!
I told you before that the Bible students never got all these things clear from the time Jesus started reorganizing them until much later!
This was their believe until further RESEARCH on the scriptures revealed that there were many Christians also during the first century that weren't chosen to be part of the 144,000.
THAT IS WHY MANY [who wrongly assumed they're part of the arrangement simply because the majority back then were partakers] GOT SICK AND DIED! 1Corinthians 11:27-30
So instead of quoting what was published by this organization TWO weeks ago to determine what the SOLDIERS of Christ are planning to do, you must always remain within the fold with 100% alertness for you to keep moving with the organization, otherwise you'll end up like Judas Iscariot!
Judas was part of the first group following Jesus but he wasn't following the group with 100% alertness. So instead of bearing in mind the latest info Jesus is giving the group, he allowed his mind to be divided due to materialist pursuit! 1Timothy 6:9,10
Remember we're discussing about the same Jesus who kept revealing sacred secrets bit by bit to his CLOSEST friends in the first century, Jesus is still that same personality though he is now a spirit person BUT he has NOT changed!
That is why Paul told the first century Christians to STICK to the teaching of the Apostles[whom Jesus do reveal the sacred secrets to when he was in the flesh] Hebrew 13:7,8

Maximus69:
You've dropped out of the JW's theocratic ministry SCHOOL long ago my friend, that's why you don't know what the NEW LIGHT later revealed to the Bible students!
I told you before that the Bible students never got all these things clear from the time Jesus started reorganizing them until much later!
This was their believe until further RESEARCH on the scriptures revealed that there were many Christians also during the first century that weren't chosen to be part of the 144,000.
THAT IS WHY MANY [who wrongly assumed they're part of the arrangement simply because the majority back then were partakers] GOT SICK AND DIED! 1Corinthians 11:27-30
So instead of quoting what was published by this organization TWO weeks ago to determine what the SOLDIERS of Christ are planning to do, you must always remain within the fold with 100% alertness for you to keep moving with the organization, otherwise you'll end up like Judas Iscariot!
Judas was part of the first group following Jesus but he wasn't following the group with 100% alertness. So instead of bearing in mind the latest info Jesus is give the group, he allowed his mind to be divided due to materialist pursuit!
Remember we're discussing about the same Jesus who kept revealing sacred secrets bit by bit to his CLOSEST friends in the first century, Jesus is still that same personality though he is now a spirit person BUT he has NOT changed!
That is why Paul told the first century Christians to STICK to the teaching of the Apostles[whom Jesus do reveal the sacred secrets to when he was in the flesh] Hebrew 13:7,8

By 1996, there were no Bible students but Jehovah's Witnesses led by governing body. Assuming you are correct, I'll like to see it where the organization says that all true Christians in the first century were not of the heavenly class. I'll be glad to see. Note, I said all true Christians and I'll like to see the research work.

rottennaija:
While you are not definitive, Watchtower is definitive that all true Christians in the first century were anointed Christians. Note, all true Christians.
They are also very definitive that they has been only one calling in the first century, at least till 1900s.


"As spirit-anointed brothers of Christ, all the early Christians had the prospect of being heavenly priests with Christ." Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom p.35

"And Christians back there in the first century needed it. At that time all of them were spirit-anointed Christians who looked forward to a future resurrection "into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." "Let Your Kingdom Come" p.88

"For some 19 centuries after this there was only one calling, the heavenly one. It was an undeserved kindness that God bestowed on a limited number in furtherance of his own wise and loving purposes." United in Worship of the only True God p.111

"Selecting these future corulers over mankind would take time. Why? For one thing, that opportunity had to be extended to people of all nations. And, while many professed to lay hold of it, few truly proved to be faithful followers of God's Son. (Matthew 22:14) High standards had to be met." True Peace and Security - How Can You Find It? p.65

"We understand that this heavenly calling continued down through the centuries, though during the so-called Dark Ages, there may have been times when the number of anointed ones were very few. With the reestablishment of true Christianity near the end of the last century, more were called and chosen. But it seems that in the mid-1930's, the full number of the 144,000 was basically completed. Thus there began to appear a group of loyal Christians with the earthly hope. Jesus termed such "other sheep," who unite in worship with the anointed as one approved flock." Watchtower 1996 Aug 15 p.31

So we agreed that every true Christian in the first century was destined to be king in heaven, had received the anointing? Yes?

rottennaija: WE UNDERSTAND that this heavenly calling continued down through the centuries, though during the so-called Dark Ages, THERE MAY have been times when the NUMBER of ANOINTED ONES were VERY FEW. With the REESTABLISHMENT of true Christianity near the end of the LAST CENTURY, more were called and chosen. But it SEEMS that in the mid-1930's, the FULL NUMBER of the 144,000 was basically completed. Thus there began to appear a group of loyal Christians with the earthly hope. Jesus termed such "other sheep," who unite in worship with the anointed as one approved flock." Watchtower 1996 Aug 15 p.31.

1. WE UNDERSTAND should have become EVIDENTLY by now too

2. That "THERE MAY" should have become "EVIDENTLY" in line with the NEW UNDERSTANDING and NEW LIGHT.

3. "REESTABLISHMENT of TRUE CHRISTIANITY" Hahahahaha where did CHRIST select those he picked in the SO CALLED DARK AGES?

4 "BUT IT SEEMS" too should have become EVIDENTLY in line with NEW UNDERSTANDING and NEW LIGHT.


Watchtower July 15 2013 page 10 paragraph 4

The Master, Jesus, said about the wheat and the weeds:“Let both grow together until the harvest.” This command tells us that from the first century until today, there have always been people who were“the WHEAT,”that is,ANOINTED CHRISTIANS. Jesus also said to his disciples: “I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” (Matthew 28:20) So Jesus would protect the anointed Christians all the days up to the time of the end.But since the weeds, or false Christians, had overgrown the wheat, WE DO NOT KNOW for CERTAIN who WERE PART of the WHEAT CLASS during all THOSE YEARS. However, about 40 years before the harvest, it again became possible to identify“the wheat.”How Did That happen?


THEY don't KNOW who WERE PART of THE WHEAT CLASS during THOSE YEARS, yet they KNOW that THEIR NUMBER 144000 is not COMPLETE?

Jozzy4:
Yes .

New covenant is for Royal priesthood - Luke 22:28-30, 1Pet 2:9, Rev 1:5,6

1 Pe 2:9,
. 9 But you are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation,+ a people for special possession,+ that you should declare abroad the excellencies”*+ of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.+

Re 1:5,6
and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood 6 and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father—yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen.

Re 5:9,10
And they sing a new song,+ saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God+ out of every tribe and tongue* and people and nation,+ 10 and you made them to be a kingdom+ and priests to our God,+ and they are to rule as kings+ over the earth.”

The above scriptures I quoted were applicable to the audience at a particular time, whether back then or today? Yes?

rottennaija:
By 1996, there were no Bible students but Jehovah's Witnesses led by governing body. Assuming you are correct, I'll like to see it where the organization says that all true Christians in the first century were not of the heavenly class. I'll be glad to see. Note, I said all true Christians and I'll like to see the research work.

2019-1996=23 years Sir!
I'm a soldier Sir and there is no military in the world today that is still vouching for the military academics of just 5 years ago. That is Satan's world progressing each second in it's strategies regarding warfare.
The Bible students association [Jehovah's Witnesses] are also progressing each second in their SPIRITUAL warfare. You're a dropout so you can't grasp that each second there is progress in the understanding of the scriptures.
I'll help you out even though i'm just one of the new intake. Do you attend the memorial this year?
Well during the talk, i LISTENED attentively to the brother delivering and he quoted 1Corinthians 11:27-30 emphasizing and explaining why it is not right for all Christians to partake in the emblem.
So by reading that scriptural quotation, it is evident that the FIRST CENTURY members getting WEAK, SICKLY and SLEEPING in death were of course BAPTISED Christians who assumed they were part of the covenant but failed to realise that IT WASN'T MEANT FOR ALL CHRISTIANS! Matthew 22:14
I became a Christian because of one single word 'Christian soldiers', i never expected REAL soldiers to be stagnant in anything during warfare. Perhaps that's why i can easily cope with the NEW LIGHT!

Maximus69:
2019-1996=23 years Sir!
I'm a soldier Sir and there is no military in the world today that is still vouching for the military academics of just 5 years ago. That is Satan's world progressing each second in it's strategies regarding warfare.
The Bible students association [Jehovah's Witnesses] are also progressing each second in their SPIRITUAL warfare. You're a dropout so you can't grasp that each second there is progress in the understanding of the scriptures.
I'll help you out even though i'm just one of the new intake. Do you attend the memorial this year?
Well during the talk, i LISTENED attentively to the brother delivering and he quoted 1Corinthians 11:27-30 emphasizing and explaining why it is not right for all Christians to partake in the emblem.
So by reading that scriptural quotation, it is evident that the FIRST CENTURY members getting WEAK, SICKLY and SLEEPING in death were of course BAPTISED Christians who assumed they were part of the covenant but failed to realise that IT WASN'T MEANT FOR ALL CHRISTIANS! Matthew 22:14
I became a Christian because of one single word 'Christian soldiers', i never expected REAL soldiers to be stagnant in anything during warfare. Perhaps that's why i can easily cope with the NEW LIGHT!

So you cannot support your position in watchtower publications than not all true Christian in the first century had a heavenly calling? Yes?

And if you cannot, as obviously you cannot, why not wait until watchtower actually provides you with that new light before you start claiming it. Else, you will simply be a worse apostate for running ahead of the organization.

Maximus69:
2019-1996=23 years Sir!
I'm a soldier Sir and there is no military in the world today that is still vouching for the military academics of just 5 years ago. That is Satan's world progressing each second in it's strategies regarding warfare.
The Bible students association [Jehovah's Witnesses] are also progressing each second in their SPIRITUAL warfare. You're a dropout so you can't grasp that each second there is progress in the understanding of the scriptures.
I'll help you out even though i'm just one of the new intake. Do you attend the memorial this year?
Well during the talk, i LISTENED attentively to the brother delivering and he quoted 1Corinthians 11:27-30 emphasizing and explaining why it is not right for all Christians to partake in the emblem.
So by reading that scriptural quotation, it is evident that the FIRST CENTURY members getting WEAK, SICKLY and SLEEPING in death were of course BAPTISED Christians who assumed they were part of the covenant but failed to realise that IT WASN'T MEANT FOR ALL CHRISTIANS! Matthew 22:14
I became a Christian because of one single word 'Christian soldiers', i never expected REAL soldiers to be stagnant in anything during warfare. Perhaps that's why i can easily cope with the NEW LIGHT!

Secondly, I want to refer you to 1 Co 11:27-30. Specifically, 1 Corinthians 11:33 So, dear brothers and sisters, when you gather for the Lord's Supper, wait for each other.

So why then did the apostle Paul asked the to wait for each other?

rottennaija:
So you cannot support your position in watchtower publications than not all true Christian in the first century had a heavenly calling? Yes?

The Watchtower publications are like textbooks used in teaching the students, the REAL subject is Bible!
You can't study any subject without textbooks and those textbooks must be revised from time to time whereas the subject remains. Most religious groups thought the Bible is their textbook but if it is then why are the students not concluding on the same logic?
My friend, the Watchtower publications are mere textbooks that must be revised from time to time.,it is only the Bible that remains unchangeable!
Throughout the world today people study science as a subject but hundreds of textbooks used decades ago have now become obsolete, the only way to ascertain the intelligence or academic performance of students is RESULT of what these science students are producing for the benefit of mankind.
Jehovah's Witnesses have so many textbooks that has become obsolete today, as the NEW LIGHT is revealing timely infos and new textbook are printed while old ones are revised yet wisdom is Justified by her children! Luke 7:35

Maximus69:
The Watchtower publications are like textbooks used in teaching the students, the REAL subject is Bible!
You can't study any subject without textbooks and those textbooks must be revised from time to time whereas the subject remains. Most religious groups thought the Bible is their textbook but if it is then why are the students not concluding on the same logic?
My friend, the Watchtower publications are mere textbooks that must be revised from time to time.,it is only the Bible that remains unchangeable!
Throughout the world today people study science as a subject but hundreds of textbooks used decades ago have now become obsolete, the only way to ascertain the intelligence or academic performance of students is RESULT of what these science students are producing for the benefit of mankind.
Jehovah's Witnesses have so many textbooks that has become obsolete today, as the NEW LIGHT is revealing timely infos and new textbook are printed while old ones are revised yet wisdom is Justified by her children! Luke 7:35

So there is no support with latest watchtower text books? Yes?

Maximus69:
2019-1996=23 years Sir!
I'm a soldier Sir and there is no military in the world today that is still vouching for the military academics of just 5 years ago. That is Satan's world progressing each second in it's strategies regarding warfare.
The Bible students association [Jehovah's Witnesses] are also progressing each second in their SPIRITUAL warfare. You're a dropout so you can't grasp that each second there is progress in the understanding of the scriptures.
I'll help you out even though i'm just one of the new intake. Do you attend the memorial this year?
Well during the talk, i LISTENED attentively to the brother delivering and he quoted 1Corinthians 11:27-30 emphasizing and explaining why it is not right for all Christians to partake in the emblem.
[b]So by reading that scriptural quotation, it is evident that the FIRST CENTURY members getting WEAK, SICKLY and SLEEPING in death were of course [/b]BAPTISED Christians who assumed they were part of the covenant but failed to realise that IT WASN'T MEANT FOR ALL CHRISTIANS! Matthew 22:14
I became a Christian because of one single word 'Christian soldiers', i never expected REAL soldiers to be stagnant in anything during warfare. Perhaps that's why i can easily cope with the NEW LIGHT!

I want to refer you to 1 Co 11:27-30. Specifically, 1 Corinthians 11:33 So, dear brothers and sisters, when you gather for the Lord's Supper, wait for each other.

So why then did the apostle Paul asked the to wait for each other?

rottennaija:
Secondly, I want to refer you to 1 Co 11:27-30. Specifically, 1 Corinthians 11:33 So, dear brothers and sisters, when you gather for the Lord's Supper, wait for each other.

So why then did the apostle Paul asked the to wait for each other?

If they're not all assembled for the event as in waiting for other brothers to be present during the remembrance, how will the know the newly baptised Christians in their midst that God has newly chosen with his spirit to become partakers?

rottennaija:
So there is no support with latest watchtower text books? Yes?

Hmmm,
Well intelligent scholars pay rapt attention to the new lecturer than EXISTING textbooks!

@rottennaija
There is nothing evil in choosing another religious group that suits your liken but it's impossible to change the minds of fellow students who are fully convinced they've gotten the best teacher!
Undoubtedly you'll find students having the same mindset as you do but don't think every student must dance to your tune because some did.
Even when Jesus was here in the flesh majority of his students left him but those who are FULLY convinced that they've gotten the one and only source of divine guidance stood still! John 6:66-69
Note that they've not grasped everything they needed to know but at least they're sure THERE IS NO BETTER TEACHER ELSEWHERE!

Maximus69:
@rottennaija
Even when Jesus was here in the flesh majority of his students left him but those who are FULLY convinced that they've gotten the one and only source of divine guidance stood still! John 6:66-69
Note that they've not grasped everything they needed to know but at least they're sure THERE IS NO BETTER TEACHER ELSEWHERE!

This is why they've remained silent anytime you ask them for a BETTER religious group that's teaching their people what they supposed to know now.
They're attending meetings with JWs,they can't find another BETTER group and they have no impetus to form their own yet they're facelessly opposing their teachers. Is that not an attribute of the serpent? Genesis 3:1-5

Maximus69:
The Watchtower publications are like textbooks used in teaching the students, the REAL subject is Bible!
You can't study any subject without textbooks and those textbooks must be revised from time to time whereas the subject remains. Most religious groups thought the Bible is their textbook but if it is then why are the students not concluding on the same logic?
My friend, the Watchtower publications are mere textbooks that must be revised from time to time.,it is only the Bible that remains unchangeable!
Throughout the world today people study science as a subject but hundreds of textbooks used decades ago have now become obsolete, the only way to ascertain the intelligence or academic performance of students is RESULT of what these science students are producing for the benefit of mankind.
Jehovah's Witnesses have so many textbooks that has become obsolete today, as the NEW LIGHT is revealing timely infos and new textbook are printed while old ones are revised yet wisdom is Justified by her children! Luke 7:35

Maximus69: The Watchtower publications are like textbooks used in teaching the students, the REAL subject is Bible!

Achorladey: Even what you termed the SUBJECT(BIBLE) is REVISED By the GOVERNING BODY of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES to fit their TEXT BOOKS( watchtowers, awakes e. t. c.) the revised NWT is a very good example.

You and this your analogy Eh Eh e get as e be.


Maximus69: My friend, the Watchtower publications are MERE TEXTBOOKS that must be REVISED from time to time.,

Achorladey: You have not come across statement like this in the publications of Jehovah's witnesses before bah? look..........."JEHOVAH PROVIDES that guidance in the Bible and in PUBLICATIONS"

You call what JEHOVAH use MERE TEXTBOOKS hahahaha! rottennaija statement about you becoming an APOSTATE might be true.

They must INDEED be REVISED like the SUBJECT itself is REVISED

Maximus69: it is only the Bible that remains unchangeable!

Achorladey: Is the NWT unchanged since it came into EXISTENCE? Reflect on your analogy before posting them sometimes.

In the making of MANY BOOKS what did the wise one ADVISE. see below......


Ecclesiastes 12: 12 As for anything besides these, my son, be warned: To the MAKING of MANY BOOKS there is no END, and much DEVOTION to them is WEARISOME to the FLESH.

I know you know what follows this verse cited above.


Ephesians 4:14 So we should no longer be CHILDREN, tossed about as by waves and carried HERE and THERE by EVERY WIND of TEACHING by means of the TRICKERY of MEN, by MEANS of CUNNING in DECEPTIVE SCHEMES.

rottennaija:
So there is no support with latest watchtower text books? Yes?

You mean support from MERE TEXTBOOKS!

Maximus69:
If they're not all assembled for the event as in waiting for other brothers to be present during the remembrance, how will the know the newly baptised Christians in their midst that God has newly chosen with his spirit to become partakers?

My dear! Let me help there. It's obvious you have a lot of interest in interpreting the Bible, even to extent that your own interpretations contradict those of your religion. Well, don't worry, I'm sure they will correct your understanding to fit with theirs with time.

But please, carefully read what I am presenting below. Then you probably make research in latest watchtower libraries too. It doesn't hurt if you make a google search on commentaries in certain verse or chapters in the Bible. One thing will be obvious, most watchtower interpretations are from Bible commentaries, except in few that contradicts their doctrine. Thanks.

On 1 Co 11:26 - 29, why would the apostle caution the Corinthian Christians to not partake of the emblems unworthily?

In the verses preceding 26 - 35, the apostle had finished giving them counsel on praying and prophesying, head covering, the authority of a man over his wife. Turning his attention to another issue of importance, he wrote:

“But now when I mention this next issue, I cannot praise you. For it sounds as if more harm than good is done when you meet together” (I Co 11:17 - New Living Translation)

He mentioned contentions and division among them when they meet together. He mentioned some getting drunk while others go hungry. He asked in verse 22 “Do you not have houses for eating and drinking? Or do you despise the congregation of God and make those who have nothing feel ashamed? What can I say to you? Should I commend you? In this I do not commend you.”

Then he spoke of the emblem, representing the body and blood of Christ. In verse 26, he said “For whenever you eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he comes”. The apostle relates the Lord’s super to the sacrifice of Christ and then says to examine one’s self in verse 28. “First let a man approve himself after scrutiny, and only then let him eat of the loaf and drink of the cup. [examine yourself before eating the bread and drinking the cup - NLT]”

The problem here was in the attitude the Corinthian Christians. The apostle is telling them to examine their motives, take care that there is no dissension among them, to take emblems solemnly, understanding its full significance.

Concerning their attitude, the apostle had earlier warned of some getting drunk with the wine, probably the wine and others going hungry. He also instructed them “when you come together to eat it, wait for one another.” (Verses 22, 33) From the instruction to “wait for one another” it is evident that some when taking either the bread or wine, deprive others of such opportunity. It is also evident that the prohibition against eating the Lord’s super unworthily had nothing to do with their hope being heavenly or earthly. It was their attitude towards the solemn occasion. Some were not showing full appreciation for it while others saw it as an opportunity to indulge themselves. they simply did not ‘discern the body’, they simply saw that as just another occasion to eat and drink. In such disregard to the symbolic emblems, they were eating and drinking judgement to themselves.

With such attitude towards the blood and flesh of our Lord, they were not showing respect for Christ. It constitutes an unworthy attitude for them to involve in self-indulgence, be gluttonous and drunk for such a solemn occasion. It’s also possible the partaking did not include both elements (the bread and the wine) as Christ had commanded that both be taken. In any case, it showed contempt, a serious disregard or a disrespect of the body and blood of our Lord Jesus to partake the emblems in such an improper way. (Please see The Watchtower March 15, 2003, page 18 par. 3

Under the subheading “Attending as Respectful Observers” in the March 15, 2003 page 18 par. 7, the publication says:


“True Christians in the first century were anointed by holy spirit. Many of them were able to use one or more of the miraculous gifts of the spirit, such as speaking in tongues. Therefore, it would not have been difficult for such individuals to know that they were spirit-anointed and should partake of the Memorial emblems. However, in our time, this can be determined on the basis of such inspired words as these: “All who are led by God’s spirit, these are God’s sons. For you did not receive a spirit of slavery causing fear again, but you received a spirit of adoption as sons, by which spirit we cry out: ‘Abba, Father!’”—Romans 8:14, 15.”

The 2003 watchtower I have just quoted is to show you that watchtower acknowledges that a true Christian in the first century was indeed anointed. See again below.

rottennaija:
While you are not definitive, Watchtower is very definitive that all true Christians in the first century were anointed Christians. Note, all true Christians. They are also very definitive that they has been only one calling in the first century, at least till 1900s.


"As spirit-anointed brothers of Christ, all the early Christians had the prospect of being heavenly priests with Christ." Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom p.35

"And Christians back there in the first century needed it. At that time all of them were spirit-anointed Christians who looked forward to a future resurrection "into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." "Let Your Kingdom Come" p.88

"For some 19 centuries after this there was only one calling, the heavenly one. It was an undeserved kindness that God bestowed on a limited number in furtherance of his own wise and loving purposes." United in Worship of the only True God p.111

"Selecting these future corulers over mankind would take time. Why? For one thing, that opportunity had to be extended to people of all nations. And, while many professed to lay hold of it, few truly proved to be faithful followers of God's Son. (Matthew 22:14) High standards had to be met." True Peace and Security - How Can You Find It? p.65

"We understand that this heavenly calling continued down through the centuries, though during the so-called Dark Ages, there may have been times when the number of anointed ones were very few. With the reestablishment of true Christianity near the end of the last century, more were called and chosen. But it seems that in the mid-1930's, the full number of the 144,000 was basically completed. Thus there began to appear a group of loyal Christians with the earthly hope. Jesus termed such "other sheep," who unite in worship with the anointed as one approved flock." Watchtower 1996 Aug 15 p.31

TATIME, Jessicha

achorladey:
You mean support from MERE TEXTBOOKS!

Thanks for the timely comment, it's like some students can't distinguish between a MERE TEXTBOOK and the Subject on its own!
While there could be CHANGES in what a textbook affirms in the past, the subject remains UNCHANGEABLE.
You're right that the Watchtower revised the NWT but note that this is necessary due to language barrier and certain renditions that's not EASILY understood by the scholars. The STORIES with regards to FACTS, CHARACTERS, DATES, EVENT and VENUES never changed.
So you can run from the TRUTH but you can NEVER find another place for the TRUTH, just to go and join a better performing group NO way for you!
Your being a fugitive only afford you the chances to remain anonymous in your own world, your faceless antagonism against God's arrangement has given you NO resting place. O ma se o!

TATIME:
This is why they've remained silent anytime you ask them for a BETTER religious group that's teaching their people what they supposed to know now.
They're attending meetings with JWs,they can't find another BETTER group and they have no impetus to form their own yet they're facelessly opposing their teachers. Is that not an attribute of the serpent? Genesis 3:1-5

I thought your military intelligence friend said Jesus was part of Judaism while forming his movement. It seems me and Achorladey are in good company then, don't you think so? Was Jesus practicing Judaism while forming another moment attribute of the serpent? In that case, it's no bad to be a serpent, what do you think TATIME?

Maximus69:
The Watchtower publications are like textbooks used in teaching the students, the REAL subject is Bible!
You can't study any subject without textbooks and those textbooks must be revised from time to time whereas the subject remains. Most religious groups thought the Bible is their textbook but if it is then why are the students not concluding on the same logic?
My friend, the Watchtower publications are mere textbooks that must be revised from time to time.,it is only the Bible that remains unchangeable!
Throughout the world today people study science as a subject but hundreds of textbooks used decades ago have now become obsolete, the only way to ascertain the intelligence or academic performance of students is RESULT of what these science students are producing for the benefit of mankind.
Jehovah's Witnesses have so many textbooks that has become obsolete today, as the NEW LIGHT is revealing timely infos and new textbook are printed while old ones are revised yet wisdom is Justified by her children! Luke 7:35

You didn't respond to my question, So you mean you cannot support with latest watchtower text books that some true Christians in the first century were not anointed. Yes?


By the way, where is Jessicha... I'm missing her. We didn't finish new covenant matter.

Maximus69:
Thanks for the timely comment, it's like some students can't distinguish between a MERE TEXTBOOK and the Subject on its own!
While there could be CHANGES in what a textbook affirms in the past, the subject remains UNCHANGEABLE.
You're right that the Watchtower revised the NWT but note that this is necessary due to language barrier and certain renditions that's not EASILY understood by the scholars. The STORIES with regards to FACTS, CHARACTERS, DATES, EVENT and VENUES never changed.
So you can run from the TRUTH but you can NEVER find another place for the TRUTH, just to go and join a better performing group NO way for you!
Your being a fugitive only afford you the chances to remain anonymous in your own world, your faceless antagonism against God's arrangement has given you NO resting place. O ma se o!

The key word picked from your last post is REVISED. Which you agreed ON is that not just the TEXTBOOK but the SUBJECT is REPEATEDLY REVISED. What is my problem with LANGUAGE BARRIERS and RENDITIONS.

It's your analogy am only assisting you to get the meaning of what you are SAYING.

rottennaija:
I thought your military intelligence friend said Jesus was part of Judaism while forming his movement. It seems me and Achorladey are in good company then, don't you think so? Was Jesus practicing Judaism while forming another moment attribute of the serpent? In that case, it's no bad to be a serpent, what do you think TATIME?

These guys and there DIFFERENT analogy. Like the MILITARY INTELLIGENCE OFFICER said subjects don't get REVISED only to bring in LANGUAGE BARRIERS and RENDITIONS after being shown that SUBJECTS within the ORGANIZATION he is soon to be a member of gets REVISED.

rottennaija:
My dear! Let me help there. It's obvious you have a lot of interest in interpreting the Bible, even to extent that your own interpretations contradict those of your religion. Well, don't worry, I'm sure they will correct your understanding to fit with theirs with time.

But please, carefully read what I am presenting below. Then you probably make research in latest watchtower libraries to. Thanks.

On 1 Co 11:26 - 29, why would the apostle caution the Corinthian Christians to not partake of the emblems unworthily?

In the verses preceding 26 - 35, the apostle had finished giving them counsel on praying and prophesying, head covering, the authority of a man over his wife. Turning his attention to another issue of importance, he wrote:

“But now when I mention this next issue, I cannot praise you. For it sounds as if more harm than good is done when you meet together” (I Co 11:17 - New Living Translation)

He mentioned contentions and division among them when they meet together. He mentioned some getting drunk while others go hungry. He asked in verse 22 “Do you not have houses for eating and drinking? Or do you despise the congregation of God and make those who have nothing feel ashamed? What can I say to you? Should I commend you? In this I do not commend you.”

Then he spoke of the emblem, representing the body and blood of Christ. In verse 26, he said “For whenever you eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he comes”. The apostle relates the Lord’s super to the sacrifice of Christ and then says to examine one’s self in verse 28. “First let a man approve himself after scrutiny, and only then let him eat of the loaf and drink of the cup. [examine yourself before eating the bread and drinking the cup - NLT]”

The problem here was in the attitude the Corinthian Christians. The apostle is telling them to examine their motives, take care that there is no dissension among them, to take emblems solemnly, understanding its full significance.

Concerning their attitude, the apostle had earlier warned of some getting drunk with the wine, probably the wine and others going hungry. He also instructed them “when you come together to eat it, wait for one another.” (Verses 22, 33) From the instruction to “wait for one another” it is evident that some when taking either the bread or wine, deprive others of such opportunity. It is also evident that the prohibition against eating the Lord’s super unworthily had nothing to do with their hope being heavenly or earthly. It was their attitude towards the solemn occasion. Some were not showing full appreciation for it while others saw it as an opportunity to indulge themselves. they simply did not ‘discern the body’, they simply saw that as just another occasion to eat and drink. In such disregard to the symbolic emblems, they were eating and drinking judgement to themselves.

With such attitude towards the blood and flesh of our Lord, they were not showing respect for Christ. It constitutes an unworthy attitude for them to involve in self-indulgence, be gluttonous and drunk for such a solemn occasion. It’s also possible the partaking did not include both elements (the bread and the wine) as Christ had commanded that both be taken. In any case, it showed contempt, a serious disregard or a disrespect of the body and blood of our Lord Jesus to partake the emblems in such an improper way. (Please see The Watchtower March 15, 2003, page 18 par. 3

Under the subheading “Attending as Respectful Observers” in the March 15, 2003 page 18 par. 7, the publication says:


“True Christians in the first century were anointed by holy spirit. Many of them were able to use one or more of the miraculous gifts of the spirit, such as speaking in tongues. Therefore, it would not have been difficult for such individuals to know that they were spirit-anointed and should partake of the Memorial emblems. However, in our time, this can be determined on the basis of such inspired words as these: “All who are led by God’s spirit, these are God’s sons. For you did not receive a spirit of slavery causing fear again, but you received a spirit of adoption as sons, by which spirit we cry out: ‘Abba, Father!’”—Romans 8:14, 15.”

The 2003 watchtower I have just quoted is to show you that watchtower acknowledges that a true Christian in the first century was indeed anointed. See again below.

Are you trying to run away from your own shadow?
Come~one 2019~2003=16 years
It's like you don't understand what i've been typing,tori Olorun!
Listen and listen good! Whatever you read from any Watchtower publication last week as in LAST WEEK could be changed now! That is how military works during warfare, NOT going to employ the strategy used years ago to face a highly intelligent evil genius like Satan during a spiritual warfare!
EACH publication comes with TIMELY info to render Satan, his demons and all his human agents USELESS in stealing souls! If you're no more with the organization, simply quote 'you're now working for the enemy' and there is no way you can grasp any other timely info because it is SPIRITUAL! 1Peter 1:12
So don't expect a military intelligent officer like me to stick to a publication published two years ago UNLESS the GB[Jesus' brothers] reaffirms their stand on such infos!
There is progress in their understanding of the scriptures therefore if you DROPOUT don't expect them to remain standing where you dropped from the moving vessel, remenber Jesus likens it to Noah's ark of course you can't expect the ark to remain stagnant!

Maximus69:
Are you trying to run away from your own shadow?
Come~one 2019~2003=16 years
It's like you don't understand what i've been typing,tori Olorun!
Listen and listen good! Whatever you read from any Watchtower publication last week as in LAST WEEK could be changed now! That is how military works during warfare, NOT going to employ the strategy used years ago to face a highly intelligent evil genius like Satan during a spiritual warfare!
EACH publication comes with TIMELY info to render Satan, his demons and all his human agents USELESS in stealing souls! If you're no more with the organization, simply quote 'you're now working for the enemy' and there is no way you can grasp any other timely info because it is SPIRITUAL! 1Peter 1:12
So don't expect a military intelligent officer like me to stick to a publication published two years ago UNLESS the GB[Jesus' brothers] reaffirms their stand on such infos!
There is progress in their understanding of the scriptures therefore if you DROPOUT don't expect them to remain standing where you dropped from the moving vessel, remenber Jesus likens it to Noah's ark of course you can't expect the ark to remain stagnant!

So, why did Paul ask them to not partake unworthily Mrs intelligent officer? Because they were other sheep?

achorladey:
These guys and there DIFFERENT analogy. Like the MILITARY INTELLIGENCE OFFICER said subjects don't get REVISED only to bring in LANGUAGE BARRIERS and RENDITIONS after being shown that SUBJECTS within the ORGANIZATION he is soon to be a member of gets REVISED.

I think the guy is getting confused by the hour. It's not easy defending the governing body, especially since other Jws have now picked their race from the trade. I'll give it to him, he is a military intelligent office and is trying but eventually, "—the bed [he] has made is too short to lie on. The blankets are too narrow to cover [him] ." - Isaiah 28:20

I see you taking the glory for God's work. Or do you really think you done it? Welcome back Tatime.

TATIME:
When you find someone who is rushing towards a destination and you're able to help this same person realise that he/she has missed his/her way, you'll not only expect this person to say 'thank you' but anticipating his/her next move to face your prescribed direction but you can NEVER expect such a hasty person turn back. Why? because you're convinced he/she has a reason for the journey!
So if the person suddenly decides to turn back towards his former destination, won't that baffle you?
However you'll be more than shocked as in flabbergasted if such a person now start arguing with you again over the right path AFTER THANKING AND COMMENDING YOU FOR THE CHARITABLE DEED BEFORE A LARGE AUDIENCE!
Please i'm not ready to start worrying myself again over ingrates!
Whoever feels the truth could be found elsewhere should go there and fetch it, but let's keep telling them that it could only be heard amongst just one and only organization 'Jehovah's Witnesses' !

rottennaija:
I thought your military intelligence friend said Jesus was part of Judaism while forming his movement. It seems me and Achorladey are in good company then, don't you think so? Was Jesus practicing Judaism while forming another moment attribute of the serpent? In that case, it's no bad to be a serpent, what do you think TATIME?

Walahi talahi Maximus is just amazing!
In fact i envy his background as an ex military intelligence officer.
Just see the way he is giving the two of you deadly blows that has turned you both into amateurs!
Well Jesus actually practised Judaism while he was in the flesh and Maximus has given you more than enough proofs on that. Jesus was forming a better group by teaching both inside the Temple and publicly the TRUTH his opposers abhors, he wasn't doing it in the hidden so people knew him as a REFORMER until his execution. After his death and resurrection Jesus then established his own movement by calling them his WITNESSES which of course the Jews practicing Judaism refuted vehemently!
So Jesus could have fit in the attribute of the serpent IF HE WASN'T KNOWN PUBLICLY as a teacher of NEW ideas even by his enemies! Matthew 22:15-18

TATIME:
Walahi talahi Maximus is just amazing!
In fact i envy his background as an ex military intelligence officer.
Just see the way he is giving the two of you deadly blows that has turned you both into amateurs!
Well Jesus actually practised Judaism while he was in the flesh and Maximus has given you more than enough proofs on that. Jesus was forming a better group by teaching both inside the Temple and publicly the TRUTH his opposers abhors, he wasn't doing it in the hidden so people knew him as a REFORMER until his execution. After his death and resurrection Jesus then established his own movement by calling them his WITNESSES which of course the Jews practicing Judaism refuted vehemently!
So Jesus could have fit in the attribute of the serpent IF HE WASN'T KNOWN PUBLICLY as a teacher of NEW ideas even by his enemies! Matthew 22:15-18

No wonder my chin is hurting. It must be the blow from his military intelligence background. By the way, where is Jessicha?

rottennaija:
My dear! Let me help there. It's obvious you have a lot of interest in interpreting the Bible, even to extent that your own interpretations contradict those of your religion. Well, don't worry, I'm sure they will correct your understanding to fit with theirs with time.

But please, carefully read what I am presenting below. Then you probably make research in latest watchtower libraries too. It doesn't hurt if you make a google search on commentaries in certain verse or chapters in the Bible. One thing will be obvious, most watchtower interpretations are from Bible commentaries, except in few that contradicts their doctrine. Thanks.

On 1 Co 11:26 - 29, why would the apostle caution the Corinthian Christians to not partake of the emblems unworthily?

In the verses preceding 26 - 35, the apostle had finished giving them counsel on praying and prophesying, head covering, the authority of a man over his wife. Turning his attention to another issue of importance, he wrote:

“But now when I mention this next issue, I cannot praise you. For it sounds as if more harm than good is done when you meet together” (I Co 11:17 - New Living Translation)

He mentioned contentions and division among them when they meet together. He mentioned some getting drunk while others go hungry. He asked in verse 22 “Do you not have houses for eating and drinking? Or do you despise the congregation of God and make those who have nothing feel ashamed? What can I say to you? Should I commend you? In this I do not commend you.”

Then he spoke of the emblem, representing the body and blood of Christ. In verse 26, he said “For whenever you eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he comes”. The apostle relates the Lord’s super to the sacrifice of Christ and then says to examine one’s self in verse 28. “First let a man approve himself after scrutiny, and only then let him eat of the loaf and drink of the cup. [examine yourself before eating the bread and drinking the cup - NLT]”

The problem here was in the attitude the Corinthian Christians. The apostle is telling them to examine their motives, take care that there is no dissension among them, to take emblems solemnly, understanding its full significance.

Concerning their attitude, the apostle had earlier warned of some getting drunk with the wine, probably the wine and others going hungry. He also instructed them “when you come together to eat it, wait for one another.” (Verses 22, 33) From the instruction to “wait for one another” it is evident that some when taking either the bread or wine, deprive others of such opportunity. It is also evident that the prohibition against eating the Lord’s super unworthily had nothing to do with their hope being heavenly or earthly. It was their attitude towards the solemn occasion. Some were not showing full appreciation for it while others saw it as an opportunity to indulge themselves. they simply did not ‘discern the body’, they simply saw that as just another occasion to eat and drink. In such disregard to the symbolic emblems, they were eating and drinking judgement to themselves.

With such attitude towards the blood and flesh of our Lord, they were not showing respect for Christ. It constitutes an unworthy attitude for them to involve in self-indulgence, be gluttonous and drunk for such a solemn occasion. It’s also possible the partaking did not include both elements (the bread and the wine) as Christ had commanded that both be taken. In any case, it showed contempt, a serious disregard or a disrespect of the body and blood of our Lord Jesus to partake the emblems in such an improper way. (Please see The Watchtower March 15, 2003, page 18 par. 3

Under the subheading “Attending as Respectful Observers” in the March 15, 2003 page 18 par. 7, the publication says:


“True Christians in the first century were anointed by holy spirit. Many of them were able to use one or more of the miraculous gifts of the spirit, such as speaking in tongues. Therefore, it would not have been difficult for such individuals to know that they were spirit-anointed and should partake of the Memorial emblems. However, in our time, this can be determined on the basis of such inspired words as these: “All who are led by God’s spirit, these are God’s sons. For you did not receive a spirit of slavery causing fear again, but you received a spirit of adoption as sons, by which spirit we cry out: ‘Abba, Father!’”—Romans 8:14, 15.”

The 2003 watchtower I have just quoted is to show you that watchtower acknowledges that a true Christian in the first century was indeed anointed. See again below.



TATIME, Jessicha

Did you carefully read it? Maximus69