shadeyinka:

God is our help!

I wish I could be more patient to them but I'm not. It takes a measure of self control when you note that ordinary English is not understood when it comes to the Scriptures if it doesn't line up with what their organisation teaches.

Apostles Peter and Paul knew very well how misinformation can make someone so desperate to the point intolerance!
They have both exhibited inttolerance in the past so if you can't maintain calmness when defending what you believe, i fear if you're truly under the influence of the same spirit guiding these faithful and peaceful first century Christians! 1Peter 3:15 compared to Galatiand 5:22-23

solite3:
my brother, new world translation where do I even start from? The new world translation is a heavily manipulated book not a bible based on the heresy of wescott translation.
it is heavily mutilated and crafted to suit the belief of the witness organisation.

they remove or change any verse that point Our Lord Jesus as God, strip him of his glory and made him a creature remove any allusion to the holy Spirit as a person and made him to be just a force.
take note that "The Force" is an important term in the ocult society.

take your time and research through the history of Jehovah witness and you will be shocked at your findings.

the people called Jehovah witness are like sheep only a selected few in the innermost circle truly know the aim of the society just as the latter day saint,the roman catholic church and other antichristian organisation out there.

look at the name of their book,new world translation which is also synonymous with the new world order in which a new world system of a totalitarian world government takes over in order to establish peace and safety on earth.

There are quite a number of very serious Deliberate translation errors in the NWT. They had to do everything to justify why Jesus is just an ordinary angel.

The systematic brainwashing don't allow them to do any form of independent reasoning of the Scriptures unlike most of us Christians. There is nothing like personal conviction different from what the JW organisation believes.

If Jesus was truly an angel then the following Scriptures hold against him


Heb 1:5:
"For to which of the angels said he at any time, You are my Son, this day have I begotten you? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?"

Heb 1:13:
"But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstoo?"

1Pet 1:12:
"To whom it was revealed, that not to themselves, but to us they did minister the things, which are now reported to you by them that have preached the gospel to you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into."


Notice that whenever you ask a direct question whos answer will contradict their views, they start answering with memory verses that are not part of the Question.

I pray God have mercy on those sincerely hoping for the TRUTH!

Maximus69:
Apostles Peter and Paul knew very well how misinformation can make someone so desperate to the point intolerance!
They have both exhibited inttolerance in the past so if you can't maintain calmness when defending what you believe, i fear if you're truly under the influence of the same spirit guiding these faithful and peaceful first century Christians! 1Peter 3:15 compared to Galatiand 5:22-23

"I wish"
A word from one who is still growing to the perfect nature of Christ. Of which I am not afraid to say:
Phil 3:10-15:
"That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable to his death; If by any means I might attain to the resurrection of the dead. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brothers, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth to those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing you be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this to you."


I wish you address the issues raised rather than this mundane comment of mine.

shadeyinka:

"I wish"
A word from one who is still growing to the perfect nature of Christ. Of which I am not afraid to say:
Phil 3:10-15:
"That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable to his death; If by any means I might attain to the resurrection of the dead. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brothers, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth to those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing you be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this to you."


I wish you address the issues raised rather than this mundane comment of mine.

I have told you from the beginning of this discussion that IT IS ONLY THE SPIRIT EXHIBITED during the friendly discuss that can justify where the truth is and NOT just the talks talks talks.
You will continue to find scriptural quotations to support whatever you believe and the same goes with myself but the SPIRIT influencing your believes will expose itself by the attitude!
I am Yoruba, an adage says
'ala lo maa f'oko ole han' meaning
'it is the pathway along the farm that will expose a lazy man'
If we are to argue on how to plant cassava or yam, surely everyone will start TALKING and TALKING and TALKING, but let each one go to WORK then try to observe the plantation, the pathways and most especially the PRODUCE.
That is when the lazy man will wish that the hardworking man never exist so that nobody could notice his own laziness through a simple comparison! Genesis 4:4-8
Self control is a vital part of the attributes of God's holy spirit, you yourself admitted that Jehovah's Witnesses know how to quote the scripture or have been brainwashed to the point of cramming so many Bible passages offhand. So you can never beat them in quoting the scriptures, but what about the fruitage of God's holy spirit? Well i have consistently exhibited that throughout our lengthy discuss while you yourself can see that you lack that vital part of God's holy spirit.
That is why the early Christians forbids bitter arguments with anyone who finds our presentation NOT appealing, we're to make the presentations and if they don't welcome us WE ARE TO LEAVE PEACEFULLY! Philippians 2:14, Colossians 2:4, 1Timothy 6:4, Titus 3:9
God bless you Sir!

Maximus69:
I have told you from the beginning of this discussion that IT IS ONLY THE SPIRIT EXHIBITED during the friendly discuss that can justify where the truth is and NOT just the talks talks talks.
You will continue to find scriptural quotations to support whatever you believe and the same goes with myself but the SPIRIT influencing your believes will expose itself by the attitude!
I am Yoruba, an adage says
'ala lo maa f'oko ole han' meaning
'it is the pathway along the farm that will expose a lazy man'
If we are to argue on how to plant cassava or yam, surely everyone will start TALKING and TALKING and TALKING, but let each one go to WORK then try to observe the plantation, the pathways and most especially the PRODUCE.
That is when the lazy man will wish that the hardworking man never exist so that nobody could notice his own laziness through a simple comparison! Genesis 4:4-8
Self control is a vital part of the attributes of God's holy spirit, you yourself admitted that Jehovah's Witnesses know how to quote the scripture or have been brainwashed to the point of cramming so many Bible passages offhand. So you can never beat them in quoting the scriptures, but what about the fruitage of God's holy spirit? Well i have consistently exhibited that throughout our lengthy discuss while you yourself can see that you lack that vital part of God's holy spirit.
That is why the early Christians forbids bitter arguments with anyone who finds our presentation NOT appealing, we're to make the presentations and if they don't welcome us WE ARE TO LEAVE PEACEFULLY! Philippians 2:14, Colossians 2:4, 1Timothy 6:4, Titus 3:9
God bless you Sir!

Thank you very much for the admonition!
Like I said: I don't claim perfection..I am still growing to be like Christ. So, forgive and let's move on to the main issue and leave this mundane sidetrack aside.

I noticed a contradiction in translation of Zech 12:9-11. It's just a phrase BUT highly significant. I tried to look at the Hebrew word of interest and the various shades of use of the same word as translated in the remaining Scriptures. I believe you have seen it?

What's your view concerning my observation?

Respectfully Yours,
Shadeyinka

Good morning , Just coming online, quite busy

solite3:
read again and see if you made sense.
If To be born of the flesh means to be born as a human then, to be born of the spirit means what?

You wrote "it means to have hope to become spirit in future" really?

Jesus was never talking of any future action but present.

He explained it

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

He that is born of the flesh is flesh not will be flesh

Also he that is born of the spirit is spirit not will be spirit in future.
Jesus said the criteria to be in God's kingdom is for you to be bornagain.

Flesh means human, and we quite understand what an human born is human being.


Explain the bolded ?

Are you a Spirit being presently ?

The spirit beings like God and his Angels live where ?

@shadeyinka
Jesus said 'my father has continued working and so do i' John 5:17
We all know that there are so many prophets in the Bible stories, just few of them like Moses, Elijah, Elisha and others that willfully demanded that God intervene in some issues with his spectacular display of POWER.
Majority of the prophets only deliver God's messages without any spectacular SIGNS for their audience.
So when Jesus was talking about our own generation, he said NO sign will be provided except the sign of Jonah! Matthew 12:39,16:4
Now let's think about Jonah!
God sent him to Nineveh, he diverted out of fear to another destination, God miraculously brought him back to Nineveh, he preached to the people without any signs, Ninevites realised their wrongdoings and started seeking God's mercy, Jonah expected God to destroy the people not knowing that they have CHANGE due to his message, God taught Jonah a lesson to be merciful! [Please read the entire Bible book of Jonah]
That was the story! But do you notice that
¤Ninevites never asked for a sign before believing?
¤Only Jonah himself was given a sign to show that it is the Almighty that's sending him on errand?
¤God never show the Ninevites any sign at all?
Well that is what Jesus is saying about our own generation!
Starting from the times of the Pharisees, God has chosen to give signs ONLY to the faithful ones, so even while Jesus heals people out of pity Pharisees kept saying 'That is the normal way our God has been curing people miraculously in the past' [John 9:24] so to them Jesus is not special, that is why they rejected his TEACHINGS despite seeing how well organised his followers were going about doing what he instructed them to do!
So the miracles began diminishing gradually until only the Christians are the ones noticing the signs and it came to a time that they have to live and go about their preaching and teaching WITHOUT ANYMORE OF MIRACULOUS WORKS!
You may feel like refuting what i'm saying but please calm down to think of this:
Jesus said his followers will PERFORM GREATER WORKS, he never asked anyone to make use of any medication before completely curing their illnesses, yet Paul [an Apostle] asked Timothy [a bonafide Christian] to start taking medications DUE TO AN ILLNESS! 1Timothy 5:23
Paul himself suffered a shipwreck which almost claimed the lives of all on board[ 2Corinthians 11:25] whereas Jesus on his own part COMMANDED the winds that could have caused a shipwreck! Mark 4:39
So where was the promise of GREATER WORKS?
¤Well Jehovah's Witnesses have PERSISTENTLY preached and teach in almost all the countries of the earth today, while Jesus only covered Judea and part of Samaria.
¤We have translated the whole Bible into a modern day simpler English and FREELY distributed it worldwide!
¤We have made over 8,000,000 individuals forgo WEAPONS and POLITICAL AMBITION in all the countries on earth!
¤We have united enemy races and made them see one another as a family!
¤We have built kingdom halls[worship centers] in virtually all the earth and worshiping in the SAME LINE OF THOUGHT!
You may still argue about this but THAT IS THE GREATER WORKS Jesus talked about! John 14:12
What you're seeing religious people parading today are DEMONIC SIGNS to blindfold faithless people! Revelations 16:13-14

shadeyinka:
Please let's get the correct translation that is not misleading sincere believers.


I call out:
@Maximus69 , Janosky , TATIME , Barristter07 ,

Cc: solite3 , alBHAGDADI, malvisguy212 ,

Please note the Differences in translation. Like someone is deliberately mistranslating a verse to say something else.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS TRANSLATION
Zech 12:9-11:
And in that day I will be certain to annihilate all the nations that come against Jerusalem.l
10 “I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of favor and supplication, and they will look to the one whom they pierced,m and they will wail over him as they would wail over an only son; and they will grieve bitterly over him as they would grieve over a firstborn son. 11 In that day the wailing in Jerusalem will be great, like the wailing at Ha·dad·rimʹmon in the Plain of Me·gidʹdo.

NEW KING JAMES TRANSLATION

Zech 12:9-11:
"And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look on me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon."

Are these two translations the same?


Look at the subtle differences:
NWT: look to the one would refer to Christ as Different from Jehovah
NKJV: look on me would refer to Jehovah as the same as Christ

I pulled out the interlinear Hebrew-English literal Translations

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/zechariah/12.htm

Then I pulled out the occurrence usage of the word en-lay in the bible.

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/elai_413.htm


The key word is en-lay appears 446 times (directly not in its variant form) in the old testament.
It is too long to fit a screenshot hence I've done just one page. The link is provided above for those interested.

En-lay has been translated as

About
To me
Towards me
Then
To
And to
Then
For
Against
Can
To us
Then
And do
In

I couldn't do the frequency of each word cause my hardcopy Strong Dictionary is not around but you can just look at the link provided.


Of the 446 times the word en-lay occurs in the Hebrew, NOT ONCE was it translated as to the one ( or it's variant)


Please look at the Evidence provided.
Even though you are no Hebrew expert but is this not important enough to look at AGAIN?
Suppose Jehovah is the Christ, what other things have been hidden due to deliberate misinformation?

If you feel that your translation is perfect, let's hear your views.

Before we proceed , do you have any problem with the following translations ?

I want to detect if your problem is hatred for NWT or you are sincere truth seeker


BBE Zechariah 12:10 And I will send down on the family of David and on the people of Jerusalem the spirit of grace and of prayer; and their eyes will be turned to the one who was wounded by their hands: and they will be weeping for him as for an only son, and their grief for him will be bitter, like the grief of one sorrowing for his oldest son.

NAB Zechariah 12:10 (1 )I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and petition; and they shall look on him whom they have thrust through, and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only son, and they shall grieve over him as one grieves over a first-born.


RSV Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of compassion and supplication, so that, when they look on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a first-born.


RSV is a trinitarian translation, Do you agree with this ones as well ?

Next time before you call NWT out as though they did something wrong, check if others having done same . then the truth will be revealed

shadeyinka:

Thank you very much for the admonition!
Like I said: I don't claim perfection..I am still growing to be like Christ. So, forgive and let's move on to the main issue and leave this mundane sidetrack aside.

I noticed a contradiction in translation of Zech 12:9-11. It's just a phrase BUT highly significant. I tried to look at the Hebrew word of interest and the various shades of use of the same word as translated in the remaining Scriptures. I believe you have seen it?

What's your view concerning my observation?

Respectfully Yours,
Shadeyinka

Let God's WORD workout what is beneficial in the activities of his true believers!
Even Idol worshipers do exhibit a level of virtue but God's word promised that the righteousness found amongst his own worshipers will overpower that of any other group worshiping FALSE GODS! Isaiah 2:2 compared to Matthew 5:14-16
Today there is an ongoing spiritual famine permeating the whole earth! Amos 8:11
So even if you continue to look intently at those scriptural texts, your ready-made mindset won't allow you to give any consideration to the FRUITAGE or WORKS that befits God's organization! Galatians 5:22-23, James 2: 18-26
God's word was
¤WRITTEN by his FAITHFUL people!
¤COPIED by his FAITHFUL people!
¤TRANSLATED by his FAITHFUL people!
¤SPREAD by his FAITHFUL people!
So do not think you can EVER fully grasp the meaning without FIRST of all IDENTIFY his FAITHFUL people who will teach you his ways! Zachariah 8:23

shadeyinka:

Here was your post.
I showed you a reference from the book of Daniel and your response was


On the basis of the bolded I asked my question!

See attached for reference!

You need to calm down. I made the statement that the Book of Daniel compared beasts with world government . You should ask me for reference NOT you producing a reference that doesn't tally with my submission.

Here was the premise that formed the basis of my reference to Daniel .

Barristter07

Have you forgotten the all this kingdoms were portrayed as a Beast in the same Daniel ?

Which is supported by Daniel 7: 3, 23

The Beasts were explained as representing world kingdoms or Government

shadeyinka:


You will note that I didn't ask about the history of Saul nor the definition of a spirit.

I doubt if you read responses before you reply, maybe if you do, you need to learn to process words . I didn't define a spirit , I told you why tlyour question was baseless . HUMAN SPIRIT is not a Personality! So its fruitless asking if it's living or dead .

Watch your definition of spirit as breath of life and check if it is totally defining what a spirit is

Please substitute "breath of life" anytime you see spirit
Ps 104:4:
"Who makes his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:"

Heb 1:7:
"And of the angels he said, Who makes his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire."

I said " Human Spirit " . Spirit can mean.different things depending on its usage. Spirit of the world doesnt mean the world or planet earth has a spirit , .. Usage please !

Please check the Scripture below and answer the following question

Gen 2:7: "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

If God breath into the nose of man and man became a living soul, did God also breath into the noses of animals?

The Quote below is Food for thought: not to be answered!

" Everything on dry land that had the the breath of the spirit of life in its nostrils died " - Genesis 7:22

Animals have the breath of life in their nostrils too . U can keep your food for thought now

By the term:
Spirit is Breath of life ! Gen 2:7

1. Do you mean that the Spirit of man is the breathing of man?

The Breath of life which powers its breathing.

I maintain it's not a personality!

2. What is the difference between a spirit and soul and body of man?

Soul = a person . Joshua killed some souls with sword in the Bible.

Body = that which holds the persons vital organs

Spirit= The spirit of life that powers it breathing


A QUESTION

Jesus spirit returned to the Father the day he died, Does that mean its Jesus himself that return to heaven ? Luke 23:46

To help us detect if spirit of man is the person .

Maximus69:
@shadeyinka
Jesus said 'my father has continued working and so do i' John 5:17
We all know that there are so many prophets in the Bible stories, just few of them like Moses, Elijah, Elisha and others that willfully demanded that God intervene in some issues with his spectacular display of POWER.
Majority of the prophets only deliver God's messages without any spectacular SIGNS for their audience.
So when Jesus was talking about our own generation, he said NO sign will be provided except the sign of Jonah! Matthew 12:39,16:4
Now let's think about Jonah!
God sent him to Nineveh, he diverted out of fear to another destination, God miraculously brought him back to Nineveh, he preached to the people without any signs, Ninevites realised their wrongdoings and started seeking God's mercy, Jonah expected God to destroy the people not knowing that they have CHANGE due to his message, God taught Jonah a lesson to be merciful! [Please read the entire Bible book of Jonah]
That was the story! But do you notice that
¤Ninevites never asked for a sign before believing?
¤Only Jonah himself was given a sign to show that it is the Almighty that's sending him on errand?
¤God never show the Ninevites any sign at all?
Well that is what Jesus is saying about our own generation!
Starting from the times of the Pharisees, God has chosen to give signs ONLY to the faithful ones, so even while Jesus heals people out of pity Pharisees kept saying 'That is the normal way our God has been curing people miraculously in the past' [John 9:24] so to them Jesus is not special, that is why they rejected his TEACHINGS despite seeing how well organised his followers were going about doing what he instructed them to do!
So the miracles began diminishing gradually until only the Christians are the ones noticing the signs and it came to a time that they have to live and go about their preaching and teaching WITHOUT ANYMORE OF MIRACULOUS WORKS!
You may feel like refuting what i'm saying but please calm down to think of this:
Jesus said his followers will PERFORM GREATER WORKS, he never asked anyone to make use of any medication before completely curing their illnesses, yet Paul [an Apostle] asked Timothy [a bonafide Christian] to start taking medications DUE TO AN ILLNESS! 1Timothy 5:23
Paul himself suffered a shipwreck which almost claimed the lives of all on board[ 2Corinthians 11:25] whereas Jesus on his own part COMMANDED the winds that could have caused a shipwreck! Mark 4:39
So where was the promise of GREATER WORKS?
¤Well Jehovah's Witnesses have PERSISTENTLY preached and teach in almost all the countries of the earth today, while Jesus only covered Judea and part of Samaria.
¤We have translated the whole Bible into a modern day simpler English and FREELY distributed it worldwide!
¤We have made over 8,000,000 individuals forgo WEAPONS and POLITICAL AMBITION in all the countries on earth!
¤We have united enemy races and made them see one another as a family!
¤We have built kingdom halls[worship centers] in virtually all the earth and worshiping in the SAME LINE OF THOUGHT!
You may still argue about this but THAT IS THE GREATER WORKS Jesus talked about! John 14:12
What you're seeing religious people parading today are DEMONIC SIGNS to blindfold faithless people! Revelations 16:13-14

I am not sure which of the questions you have responded to bit there are issues which you also need to consider seriously.

1. The Bible never said signs and wonders shall cease. If we are not doing as spectacularly as Jesus Christ, it's because of the limitation of our faith. Jesus said:

Mat 17:20:
"And Jesus said to them, Because of your unbelief: for truly I say to you, If you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you shall say to this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible to you."

You do not experience miracles because of your believe that the era of miracles has ended. Has it really?

I am an ordinary Christian but God has used me several times in the ministry of healing and deliverance. I wouldn't even say I have great faith but when God sends issues my way, I deal with it at the level of my Faith. And, I don't have the "gift of healing". Is it everyone I pray for that gets healed or delivered? No! But it's not Jesus fault it's mine for not having greater faith or not living a life of prayers.

So, when you say the days of miracles are over, I can only smile at your limited view of the word of faith. I don't have to go far to show you men of God: I am a testimony. If God can use the small me, he can use you too of you want. I gave you two examples in our earlier talk.

Jam 5:14-15:
"Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him."

If miracles have ended indeed, Jesus would not have given the commission
Mar 16:15-18:
"And he said to them, Go you into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils ; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

On the day you Maximus is used by Jesus to cast out a demon from a suffering person and you truly see that demons are subject to you because of Jesus, you have a kind of indescribable feeling. But

Luk 10:20
: "Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject to you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven."

This is the most important thing.

In your own case, rather than dismiss it (Spiritual abilities) , my sincere advice is:
Luk 11:9-10: "And I say to you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you."
"For every one that asks receives; and he that seeks finds; and to him that knocks it shall be opened."

Mar 9:23:
"Jesus said to him, If you can believe, all things are possible to him that believes."

God didn't promise that our lives will all be signs and wonders. But He also didn't say signs and wonders will cease in our lives
John 16:33:
"These things I have spoken to you, that in me you might have peace. In the world you shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."

Shalom!

shadeyinka:

I honestly don't know how you convince yourselves of your doctrines. Let's break it down.

YOUR DOCTRINES:
1. Being Born Again is NOT Being Saved
I wish you could prove it with the Scriptures. All the Scriptures I've quoted you've not seen...I understand because doctrines especially the faulty ones take more than knowledge to break.

Let me help you by this Scripture:
1Pet 1:18-23:
"For as much as you know that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ , as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who truly was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. Seeing you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit to unfeigned love of the brothers, see that you love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and stays for ever."


1. Who are these Peter was refering to, the 144,000?
2. Is this not also refering to salvation?


2. Let's look at John3:8 again:

John 3:8:
"The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but can not tell from where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."

Let me rephrase so that you can understand:
The wind blows where it wants
And you hear the sound of the wind
But you cannot tell where it's coming from or going to
So is everyone born of the spirit.

We have two main things here
1. The Subject (Wind)
2. The Observer (You)
#So, in this case, is the Person Born of the Spirit the Subject or the Observer ?
##Is God the observer?
###Who is the observer?


Once you truthfully answer these questions, you'll see that your interpretation is very skewed!

By the way, there were several questions you refused to answer

Been Born again like I said is to eventually have the hope of becoming a spirit Being who dwells in heaven.

What is born of Spirit is ?? SPIRIT . just like God

This is why Peter referred to them as " partakers of DIVINE Nature " 2Pet 1:4

But is it only born again that will be saved ?

No, not everyone will become a Spirit - Psalm 37:29 . some have the hope of living forever On earth

Revelation 21:3,4 calls them " MANKIND " not Spirits.

Any objection ?

shadeyinka:

I am not sure which of the questions you have responded to bit there are issues which you also need to consider seriously.

1. The Bible never said signs and wonders shall cease. If we are not doing as spectacularly as Jesus Christ, it's because of the limitation of our faith. Jesus said:

Mat 17:20:
"And Jesus said to them, Because of your unbelief: for truly I say to you, If you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you shall say to this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible to you."

You do not experience miracles because of your believe that the era of miracles has ended. Has it really?

I am an ordinary Christian but God has used me several times in the ministry of healing and deliverance. I wouldn't even say I have great faith but when God sends issues my way, I deal with it at the level of my Faith. And, I don't have the "gift of healing". Is it everyone I pray for that gets healed or delivered? No! But it's not Jesus fault it's mine for not having greater faith or not living a life of prayers.

So, when you say the days of miracles are over, I can only smile at your limited view of the word of faith. I don't have to go far to show you men of God: I am a testimony. If God can use the small me, he can use you too of you want. I gave you two examples in our earlier talk.

Jam 5:14-15:
"Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him."

If miracles have ended indeed, Jesus would not have given the commission
Mar 16:15-18:
"And he said to them, Go you into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils ; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

On the day you Maximus is used by Jesus to cast out a demon from a suffering person and you truly see that demons are subject to you because of Jesus, you have a kind of indescribable feeling. But

Luk 10:20
: "Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject to you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven."

This is the most important thing.

In your own case, rather than dismiss it (Spiritual abilities) , my sincere advice is:
Luk 11:9-10: "And I say to you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you."
"For every one that asks receives; and he that seeks finds; and to him that knocks it shall be opened."

Mar 9:23:
"Jesus said to him, If you can believe, all things are possible to him that believes."

God didn't promise that our lives will all be signs and wonders. But He also didn't say signs and wonders will cease in our lives
John 16:33:
"These things I have spoken to you, that in me you might have peace. In the world you shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."

Shalom!

So what happens to the promise of GREATER WORKS? John 14:12

Barristter07:


Before we proceed , do you have any problem with the following translations ?

I want to detect if your problem is hatred for NWT or you are sincere truth seeker


BBE Zechariah 12:10 And I will send down on the family of David and on the people of Jerusalem the spirit of grace and of prayer; and their eyes will be turned to the one who was wounded by their hands: and they will be weeping for him as for an only son, and their grief for him will be bitter, like the grief of one sorrowing for his oldest son.

NAB Zechariah 12:10 (1 )I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and petition; and they shall look on him whom they have thrust through, and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only son, and they shall grieve over him as one grieves over a first-born.


RSV Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of compassion and supplication, so that, when they look on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a first-born.


RSV is a trinitarian translation, Do you agree with this ones as well ?

Next time before you call NWT out as though they did something wrong, check if others having done same . then the truth will be revealed

A wrong translation is a wrong translation irrespective of the source. There are many bible translations that are deliberately fraudulent. I heard that some people made an English bible translation that supports gays.

The difference between the phrases look on him or look to me is highly significant: Do you agree?

Irrespective of who they are, Trinitarian or Monotarian a wrong translation is a wrong translation. What do you think?

alBHAGDADI:
I don't know what you mean by the difference you say he spoke of, but one thing is for certain, one cannot have eternal life except by being born again which is the same as having faith in God .


Alm th prophets had faith in God and that counted for righteousness. If we today have faith I God and are counted as righteous, then nothing differentiates is from them. God who operated today operated then and with the same method, which is salvation is by faith alone, not by works.

Good morning.

I maintain my position because those men are not baptized . which is a request to God for a clean conscience , in other to start life in a new way .

That's the meaning of " Born of water "

But you raised some objection: I will attend to them now

Don't confuse yourself. Being born again is nothing physical but spiritual. It is God who gives birth to us, not by ourselves. Baptism is a show of faith but not what shows you are born again. JW get baptized but they dont believe in being born again as the Buble says because they don't believe they are going to the kingdom of God except some 144,000.

Wrong information! JW believe in Born again, in fact there are members of JW whom are born again.

The only difference between you and JW is while many of you think Born again is everybody's property. Jw recognize that becoming born again or born of spirit is to eventually have the hope of becoming a SPIRIT , just like God. Becoming " partakers of the DIVINE ( GOD ) NATURE " 2 Pet 1:4 . and spirits dwell in heaven .

Why not everyone?

Psalm 37:29 shows that some righteous people will live forever on earth . Revelation 21:3,4 calls them " MANKIND " showing they are humans not spirits.

But they are also saved .

You made a quote from a website that seeks to define what been born of water mean: Let's see

The Bible says once you believe, you receive the Holy Spirit. Baptism only follows and not compulsory. But you have mistaken it to mean that If one doesn't get baptized , he cannot see the kingdom of God. This is to say John the Baptist was also part of the salvation process. This is wrong.

Below is an excerpt from a website that explains your misunderstanding of the term BORN OF WATER...



Nicodemus had no glue what Jesus was talking about. He thought Jesus was talking about being born twice physically, being physically born a second time.

Different views…

(1). John’s baptism .
Jesus nowhere makes John’s baptism a requirement for salvation. John’s baptism was preparing them for the Messiah.

(2). Christian baptism.
Some say water baptism but this would be meaningless to Nicodemus before the church was even born at Pentecost. Water baptism is not a condition for salvation nor was it instituted at this time.

(3). Human birth.
Some say “water” refers to the amniotic fluid of human birth. One has to be born physically before he could be spiritually born (note it is water and spirit).

(4). Regeneration by the Spirit or the cleansing by the Spirit through the Word of God ( Ezek. 36:25-26 ).

Ezekiel 36:25-26 – Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh. I will place My Spirit within you and cause you to follow My statutes and carefully observe My ordinances.

I want to give 4 reasons that it is probably the latter view…

1. Titus 3:5 – Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; water is not baptism or physical birth.


2. Eph. 5:26 – To make her holy, cleansing her with the washing of water by the word.


As seen above, Born of Water is not baptism of water but washing by spiritual waters which washes away sins.

Being born again has nothing to do with the physical because it is entirely a spiritual thing. The water and the spiritual are spiritual effects.


1 Corinthians 6:11 (KJV)
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

The highlighted reference is the only verse that I saw worth replying to. As others do not even address the topic you are presenting.

Ephesians 5:26

" [b] in order that he might sanctify IT , cleansing IT with the bath of water by means of the word "

Emphasis on " IT " , the IT refers to the newly formed Christian congregation , PleasealBHAGDADI , does that not nullify your claim that Moses and other old prophet are born of water ? Are they part of this Christian congregation ?

That's to show you even that verse would not support your theory , that's not the issue even here . the verse never said hearing the word of God is been born of water . IT EXACT OPPOSITE


Jesus use the word " BORN " NOT " BATH "

To be BORN is to come to existence in a particular way . it happens ONCE . emphasis on it happens once

But Ephesians 5:26 talks about Bath of water , a continuous action . Definitely not what Jesus meant.

Baptism to a way of life occurs once for the person involve . they after their baptism are born into a certain way of life. Now since they have requested for a clean consciousce to serve him right.

one of the rule of Jehovah witness is if the New Testament is quoting from the Old Testament and if the old testament passage used the Hebrew name "Jehovah" then the New Testament quotation should also use the name "Jehovah." An example of this is found in Romans 10:13 which is a quotation of Joel 2:32 where the name "Jehovah" is found: "And it
shall come to pass that whosoever shall call on the
name of the LORD (Jehovah) shall be delivered" (Joel
2:32,KJV). "And it must occur that everyone who
calls on the name of Jehovah will get away safe" (New
World Translation of Joel 2:32 ). Since the Old
Testament passage contained "Jehovah" so should the New Testament quote: "Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved" (New World
Translation of Romans 10:13). In this case they
faithfully followed their own rule.

Philippians 2:10-11
"That at the name of Jesus
every knee should bow, of
things in heaven, and things
in earth, and things under
the earth; and that every
tongue should confess that
JESUS CHRIST IS LORD, to the
glory of God the
Father."

alright, there is no doubt that Paul had Isaiah 45:23 in mind here . In Isaiah 45:23 it is JEHOVAH GOD who is
speaking (see the context in verses 21-22): "I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in
righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear" (Isa. 45:23 KJV). This verse teaches that "UNTO ME" (unto Jehovah, the one true God)every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. Paul in Philippians 2:10-11 declares that it is at the name of Jesus that every
knee should bow and every tongue should confess.

they purposely violate there rule

Barristter07:


Good morning.

I maintain my position because those men are not baptized . which is a request to God for a clean conscience , in other to start life in a new way .

That's the meaning of " Born of water ".

Born of water does not mean water baptism same way born of spirit does not mean physical birth. How you managed to separate both is what I find dubious.

Jesus even further explained that the process of being born again which involves being born of water and spirit is something g eyes can't see just as we can't see the wind where it comes from and where it's going.

John 3:8 (KJV)
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Barristter07:


But you raised some objection: I will attend to them now


Wrong information! JW believe in Born again, in fact there are members of JW whom are born again.

The only difference between you and JW is while many of you think Born again is everybody's property. Jw recognize that becoming born again or born of spirit is to eventually have the hope of becoming a SPIRIT , just like God. Becoming " partakers of the DIVINE ( GOD ) NATURE " 2 Pet 1:4 . and spirits dwell in heaven .

Why not everyone?

Psalm 37:29 shows that some righteous people will live forever on earth . Revelation 21:3,4 calls them " MANKIND " showing they are humans not spirits.

But they are also saved ..

Your mistake is that you think when one becomes Born again, it means he will live as a spirit forever. You even went ahead to say that those JW who are born again will live as spirit forever in heaven. Doesn't this contradict your doctrine of soul-sleep? You mean born again spirits will now seized time exist until resurrection or they will continue to live as spirit while you remaining jw remain dead?

What you fail to know is that when we become born again, God gives us his spirit. During resurrection, we get to wear our perfect bodies and not live as spirits but humans.

Barristter07:


You made a quote from a website that seeks to define what been born of water mean: Let's see



The highlighted reference is the only verse that I saw worth replying to. As others do not even address the topic you are presenting.

Ephesians 5:26

" [b] in order that he might sanctify IT , cleansing IT with the bath of water by means of the word "

Emphasis on " IT " , the IT refers to the newly formed Christian congregation , PleasealBHAGDADI , does that not nullify your claim that Moses and other old prophet are born of water ? Are they part of this Christian congregation ?

That's to show you even that verse would not support your theory , that's not the issue even here . the verse never said hearing the word of God is been born of water . IT EXACT OPPOSITE.

You cleverly deleted other verses and points that prove my stance and picked the one you could twist.

God who sanctified the Church by washing it has been in the business of doing so right from the old testament. Washing wasn't strictly for the church alone but for all believers. God who did it today did it yesterday.

Ezekiel 36:25-26 – Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh. I will place My Spirit within you and cause you to follow My statutes and carefully observe My ordinances.

Barristter07:


Jesus use the word " BORN " NOT " BATH "

To be BORN is to come to existence in a particular way . it happens ONCE . emphasis on it happens once

But Ephesians 5:26 talks about Bath of water , a continuous action . Definitely not what Jesus meant.

Baptism to a way of life occurs once for the person involve . they after their baptism are born into a certain way of life. Now since they have requested for a clean consciousce to serve him right.

Bath or wash, what's the difference? Nothing.

Yes, Jesus said to be Born of WATER. But that doesn't mean one will become water. Or are you trying to tell me that your JW 144,000 will not only live as spirits but as water as well?

The water Jesus emphasized on there is spiritual washing away of sins and anything that can make man stand guilty before God.

As seen, born of water and spirit aren't physical effects but spiritual and unseen. The spirit is when God gives us his spirit for believing in his son, while the washing is when God washes away all our guilt.

1 Corinthians 6:11 (KJV)
And such were some of you: but ye are washed , but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God .

So you see, you came up with a lame response.

Maximus69:

Liar,
Junk,
Nonsense and sort are abuses and insult to a fellow Bible student like you who is expressing himself based of what convinced him!
If you believe some doctrines and another person believes otherwise, it is insulting to start calling what the other person believe 'JUNK'
Both of you have taken the pains to read, study, meditate and prayerfully come to a conclusion before believing what you're saying right now. Even God will himself will never discourage someone who have spent his time WISELY by adding his word as part of daily routine. If you open your mouth and speak so irrespective of a person who gives time for God's word, how will you speak to someone who don't care at all about it?
That is why the prophecy about Jesus said 'he will not discourage those who makes effort to consider God's word' Matthew 12:20
It is Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other so called Rabbis in the first centuries who look down on people insulting them if such individuals finds it hard to swallow what they teaches. Christians will APPRECIATE your effort of trying to know about God, and if you insist on what you formerly believe they will respectfully walk away in peace without saying any hurtful words!
That is why you have failed woefully to maintain the calmness when discussing with people who holds opinions contrary to yours! 1Peter 3:15
Most people will just keep quiet and after you've spoken whatever comes to your mouth they will walk away without saying a word in response. Is that a good sign showing repentant attitudes?
But when someone speaks to prove he already have something in his mind, that is the opportunity to present what is stronger and more beneficial!
I just hope you think over this, remember how i show appreciation for the effort you make to have studied the Bible! Of course all what you were saying is simply what the churches generally assume but they can't make any meaningful beneficial thing out of it, so Kumuyi , Adeboye , Oyedepo and others kept building religious centers yet their followers aren't united in line of thought!
Most of JWs have been to churches before coming to study with the GB so there is nothing new in what you're saying, it is just the normal pushing ideas here and there to see if one can get supporters against those WHO CLAIMS TO KNOW IT ALL [Jehovah's Witnesses]
In those days we decides to keep arguing against them but our thoughts aren't matching at all and we all know it!

I have every right to call your understanding of the Bible junk because it goes contrary to the Bible. I've used countless verses to explain how wrong you are, which you haven't disputed especially concerning salvation. So, the next thing to do is reprove you because your understanding is inspired by 8 men who call themselves GB, not by the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 5:11-12 (KJV)
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

If its not phisical...i hope somone is not trying to say baptism is a waste?

What have u prooved?

alBHAGDADI:


I have every right to call your understanding of the Bible junk because it goes contrary to the Bible. I've used countless verses to explain how wrong you are, which you haven't disputed especially concerning salvation. So, the next thing to do is reprove you because your understanding is inspired by 8 men who call themselves GB, not by the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 5:11-12 (KJV)
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Hmmm,
How ironic you quickly quoted scriptures and actually shot your own foot?
Well you've justified my write-up with that quotation!
Can you notice the word UNFRUITFUL?
So calm down to allow observers SEE the FRUIT in you and your folks!

shadeyinka:

I think I have answered that.

Just like the Dragon represented Satan,
The Beast represented a personality (an instrument of satan)



If the bible gave an interpretation to guide us using the dragon with seven heads as an example, how come a personality was replaced with a Government?

I read your response to barrister and see you don't even have a clue what you are talking about. If you do, identifying the personality should not be hard . but he present evidence for his own point using Daniel 7:3 and 23 .

My own is since you are not ready to identify the personality , that means we can't use the Rev 20:10 . Let's see Revelation 20:14 ... Will death and Grave be burning in fire or cease to exist ?

alBHAGDADI:


I have every right to call your understanding of the Bible junk because it goes contrary to the Bible. I've used countless verses to explain how wrong you are, which you haven't disputed especially concerning salvation. So, the next thing to do is reprove you because your understanding is inspired by /b 8 men who call themselves GB, not by the Holy Spirit. b/

Ephesians 5:11-12 (KJV)
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

they did more than this to moses.....evn his own sister did same to him....they taught all he keep on telling them cant b inspired of God Jehovah

u just said 8 men

smiles then in the isrealites days befre the kings nd other sets in....it was a man..lol...moses nd people like you look down on im....

wait how many men were the whole bible given to...smiles not evn up to 50 ...aint that funny...

think abt it again....how many men did jesus took as disciples while he was on earth nd give his words to write.....wow just 12...was it that men are scarce...nope

its simply because God is not after qunatities buh qualities

think of it....during the days of lot....how many soul were saved.....indeed a rightoeus man was evn asking God what if its just a righteous man that his good in deed will such b saved....and God said yeap....imagine...just one....God is not after quantities

imagine again....keep imagining..lol

Jesus the representative nd son of God said somtin while on earth......he said narrow is the way that leads to salvation ...few people path through it...imagine few....not abt quantities


owkay in times of noah nko...

just imagine...8 souls were saved


the governing body is indeed provinding the best food to be eaten...and stop fioling around with rotten foods..

besides....bible is the reference of all they are doing

they have searched the Bible thoroughly....

they have made reseraches neccessary to the extent of visiting important places nd going back to the root of matters....to the extent of being commended evn by tjose that are not witness buh that can say the truth they see nd not hiding the truth

Cc : Barristter07

alBHAGDADI:

Born of water does not mean water baptism same way born of spirit does not mean physical birth. How you managed to separate both is what I find dubious.

Jesus even further explained that the process of being born again which involves being born of water and spirit is something g eyes can't see just as we can't see the wind where it comes from and where it's going.

John 3:8 (KJV)
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.




Your mistake is that you think when one becomes Born again, it means he will live as a spirit forever. You even went ahead to say that those JW who are born again will live as spirit forever in heaven. Doesn't this contradict your doctrine of soul-sleep? You mean born again spirits will now seized time exist until resurrection or they will continue to live as spirit while you remaining jw remain dead?

What you fail to know is that when we become born again, God gives us his spirit. During resurrection, we get to wear our perfect bodies and not live as spirits but humans.

Smh it is sown a physical body and raised a spiritual body
He is talking about ressurection

What is born of spirit is Spirit ? Is it not Jesus that talk am ?

You cleverly deleted other verses and points that prove my stance and picked the one you could twist.

God who sanctified the Church by washing it has been in the business of doing so right from the old testament. Washing wasn't strictly for the church alone but for all believers. God who did it today did it yesterday.

U lied , Blood of goat and ran can't wash away their sins. Offpoint

Ezekiel 36:25-26 – Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh. I will place My Spirit within you and cause you to follow My statutes and carefully observe My ordinances.




Bath or wash, what's the difference? Nothing.

Bath is continuous, born occur once

Yes, Jesus said to be Born of WATER. But that doesn't mean one will become water. Or are you trying to tell me that your JW 144,000 will not only live as spirits but as water as well?

The water Jesus emphasized on there is spiritual washing away of sins and anything that can make man stand guilty before God.

As seen, born of water and spirit aren't physical effects but spiritual and unseen. The spirit is when God gives us his spirit for believing in his son, while the washing is when God washes away all our guilt.

1 Corinthians 6:11 (KJV)
And such were some of you: but ye are washed , but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God .

So you see, you came up with a lame response.

You are the silly one, Jesus himself never said what is born of water will be water
Because he knows the meaning and instruct his disciples to baptize as well

alBHAGDADI:


I have every right to call your understanding of the Bible junk because it goes contrary to the Bible. I've used countless verses to explain how wrong you are, which you haven't disputed especially concerning salvation. So, the next thing to do is reprove you because your understanding is inspired by 8 men who call themselves GB, not by the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 5:11-12 (KJV)
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

mathew 24:45

forget about jw now

as of u answer me

who really is the discreet slave appointed over the domenstic propties?

who are they now in the world?

who are the discreet slaves



Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? (mathew 24:45)

shadeyinka:

I am not sure which of the questions you have responded to bit there are issues which you also need to consider seriously.

1. The Bible never said signs and wonders shall cease. If we are not doing as spectacularly as Jesus Christ, it's because of the limitation of our faith. Jesus said:

Mat 17:20:
"And Jesus said to them, Because of your unbelief: for truly I say to you, If you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you shall say to this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible to you."

You do not experience miracles because of your believe that the era of miracles has ended. Has it really?

I am an ordinary Christian but God has used me several times in the ministry of healing and deliverance. I wouldn't even say I have great faith but when God sends issues my way, I deal with it at the level of my Faith. And, I don't have the "gift of healing". Is it everyone I pray for that gets healed or delivered? No! But it's not Jesus fault it's mine for not having greater faith or not living a life of prayers.

So, when you say the days of miracles are over, I can only smile at your limited view of the word of faith. I don't have to go far to show you men of God: I am a testimony. If God can use the small me, he can use you too of you want. I gave you two examples in our earlier talks. On the day you Maximus is used by Jesus to cast out a demon from a suffering person and you truly see that demons are subject to you because of Jesus, you have a kind of indescribable feeling. But Shalom!

I didn't notice this points in your write-up!
So let's just conclude that you and your folks are exited about signs and wonders but you can't settle for any standard[Matthew 7:21-23] therefore you will agree with all sort of norms and traditions just for the sake of the SIGNS you them perform IN JESUS NAME! Isaiah 57:20
Jehovah's Witnesses globally have settled for a unique standard and we're not ready to share with you any of the SIGNS happening in our midst, because it is STRICTLY for those having faith,that is why we're not tossed about with all kinds of teachings [Hebrew 10:38] unlike you who worships with ECWA but your heart is not settled for any of their standards as you're exited about those who usually drank tea with the lord in their living rooms!

Jozzy4:
Cc : Barristter07



Smh it is sown a physical body and raised a spiritual body
He is talking about ressurection

What is born of spirit is Spirit ? Is it not Jesus that talk am ?



U lied , Blood of goat and ran can't wash away their sins. Offpoint



Bath is continuous, born occur once



You are the silly one, Jesus himself never said what is born of water will be water
Because he knows the meaning and instruct his disciples to baptize as well

help me ask me what jesus mean when he said they should baptise them in the name of father and the son nd the holy spirit