Empiree:
This Is In Dubai.

Zoom To See The Name Of This Mosque

Christian Prince - Does Islam Really Love Jesus, Mary, Christians & Disbelievers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQwVQJm6Vvk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT84Uj_hROE

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Maybe Moslems are trying to REFORM Islam.
If so that would be a welcome development.

That would mean then that they will retain only
the 'peaceful' portions of the Koran and expunge
the 'violent' part.

But as long as there are CONTRARY statements in
the Koran it is very easy for people like this Imam
to copiously quote from the sweet sides and present
an impression that the ENTIRE Koran or Islam
(adding the hadiths, etc) does not TRULY present.

What happened in Khaybar? What of Yathrib? I could
go on and on.

It is either that Islam comes out to tell the world that
it is expunging the areas calling for violence and subjugation
against others from her books and then the world sees her
as REFORMED or any of these SWEET TALK only amounts to
DECEPTION of both adherents and outsiders.

Christian Prince - Why do Mohammedans pack on the pounds during Ramadan?

Fasting is to deliberately deprive oneself of basic physical needs so as to focus on spiritual matters.
Is filling up oneself before dawn and after sunset really fasting as a spiritual pursuit?
So, food is EATEN TWICE IN THE COURSE OF THE DAY!
Why eat more DURING fasting than when not fasting?
Is it not putting a mask of piety on gluttony?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_d6KxJlCPY

sagenaija:
Christian Prince - Why do Mohammedans pack on the pounds during Ramadan?

Fasting is to deliberately deprive oneself of basic physical needs so as to focus on spiritual matters.
Is filling up oneself before dawn and after sunset really fasting as a spiritual pursuit?
So, food is EATEN TWICE IN THE COURSE OF THE DAY!
Why eat more DURING fasting than when not fasting?
Is it not putting a mask of piety on gluttony?
https://y......outu.be/6......_d6KxJlCPY

You can't even fast our fasting needless to say the one ordained for you. How many of you fast according to your religion?. Less than 1%

Empiree:
You can't even fast our fasting needless to say the one ordained for you. How many of you fast according to your religion?. Less than 1%

As with most things in Islam things are not always as they seem.
What Islam should actually say is 'We abstain from eating for most of the day time'
and not 'We fast'.

You eat in the morning.
You eat in the evening.
So, what is the fasting there?

sagenaija:

As with most things in Islam things are not always as they seem.
What Islam should actually say is 'We abstain from eating for most of the day time'
and not 'We fast'.

You eat in the morning.
You eat in the evening.
So, what is the fasting there?

How do you fast in your religion?.

Our morning meal is not essentially morning meal. It is fixed around the time that it is difficult to wake up needless to say to eat. Otherwise, it becomes breakfast. So our meal is not breakfast. It is Sahur. It must be consumed before the thread appears.

Empiree:
How do you fast in your religion?.

Our morning meal is not essentially morning meal. It is fixed around the time that it is difficult to wake up needless to say to eat. Otherwise, it becomes breakfast. So our meal is not breakfast. It is Sahur. It must be consumed before the thread appears.

You mean it is difficult for one to wake up at 5-6am and eat well enough to sustain one till evening so that you can eat well again to sustain you till next morning. Islamic 'fasting' is a real joke devoid of any spiritual benefit and a public display of religious stunts. Do you know how the Hindus fast and do you know they also fast? Have you seen an MFM, Redeem members, etc fast. They do but will not make a public display of it like the Muslims do. In fact you must not know that these people are fasting because if they make a public 'show' of it, like the biblical Pharisees, their fasting will be void.

Empiree:

Why does Muslim take delight in blocking public road when doing sollat? As par the second picture, the Celestial church of Christ picture, that's how the bow in worship in all denominations in Nigeria day-in-day-out. Have you visited their church before to confirm. Stop being economical with the truth to make a point. Besides, Christians do not attach much importance to Jerusalem the same way Muslims do to mecca; Muslims have set up, as a center of their religious, a place which formerly hosted about 360 idols (now remains one), as a qibla for prayer.

Jesus said:

Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship.” Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for
salvation is from the Jews. But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship.(John 4:20-23).

So going to Jerusalem and mecca is both a waste of time and money. Most of the most corrupt Muslim leaders always meet in mecca to discuss their next political steps. You and I know this as fact.

true2god:
You mean it is difficult for one to wake up at 5-6am and eat well enough to sustain one till evening so that you can eat well again to sustain you till next morning.

5-6?. Anyone eating this time is have breakfast.. You really have no idea what you talking about. Right now it 3:30 AM where I am and sahur time is almost over which means i woke around 2:50-3AM to eat. So that' a difficult time to stay awake needless to say to eat.

Islamic 'fasting' is a real joke devoid of any spiritual benefit and a public display of religious stunts. Do you know how the Hindus fast and do you know they also fast? Have you seen an MFM, Redeem members, etc fast. They do but will not make a public display of it like the Muslims do. In fact you must not know that these people are fasting because if they make a public 'show' of it, like the biblical Pharisees, their fasting will be void.

Say that you made mistake @bold. And our Ramadan is made public bcuz we must sight the moon and anounce to the muslim world the start of Ramadan. If this makes you uncomfortable, deal with it. Don't you announce your xmas, easter, palm sunday Ash wednesday, Hanukkah etc?. Why is Ramadan publicity an issue for you?

true2god:
Why does Muslim take delight in blocking public road when doing sollat?

Redeem comes to mind.

As par the second picture, the Celestial church of Christ picture, that's how the bow in worship in all denominations in Nigeria day-in-day-out. Have you visited their church before to confirm. Stop being economical with the truth to make a point.

it means they are even close to the truth than other fake christians.

Besides, Christians do not attach much importance to Jerusalem the same way Muslims do to mecca; Muslims have set up, as a center of their religious, a place which formerly hosted about 360 idols (now remains one), as a qibla for prayer.

Yet majority of christians glorify jerusalem and support it as the religious capital of israel.

So going to Jerusalem and mecca is both a waste of time and money. Most of the most corrupt Muslim leaders always meet in mecca to discuss their next political steps. You and I know this as fact.

No, you going to Jerusalem is a waste of time. Ever wonder why nigeria recently attach with jerusalem pilgrimage in recent years?

Empiree:
5-6?. Anyone eating this time is have breakfast.. You really have no idea what you talking about. Right now it 3:30 AM where I am and sahur time is almost over which means i woke around 2:50-3AM to eat. So that' a difficult time to stay awake needless to say to eat.




Say that you made mistake @bold. And our Ramadan is made public bcuz we must sight the moon and anounce to the muslim world the start of Ramadan. If this makes you uncomfortable, deal with it. Don't you announce your xmas, easter, palm sunday Ash wednesday, Hanukkah etc?. Why is Ramadan publicity an issue for you?

It seems every Muslim has his own 'sunnah' of the prophet. My neighbours, everyday, wake up 4:30am to eat 'sari' and by 5;30am they are through. They eat well, I mean to full capacity, to take them till evening while they whine during the day saying 'awe tin gbomi' (I am being weakened by today's fasting), 'maa yomi lenu jare, mo n gbawe' (stop disturbing me because I am fasting), and some other clownish excuses.

There is no issue making an official announcement for the commencement of ramadan, the issue is the daily clowning by Muslims that they are fasting as if someone forced them to.

Empiree:
Redeem comes to mind.



it means they are even close to the truth than other fake christians.



Yet majority of christians glorify jerusalem and support it as the religious capital of israel.



No, you going to Jerusalem is a waste of time. Ever wonder why nigeria recently attach with jerusalem pilgrimage in recent years?

Blocking public roads is a problem associates with Islam worldwide and most western countries have to enact laws to address this public nuisance. Drawing redeem church into this argument shows that you guys are not ready to address this social problem.

The Bhudist and the Hindus also bow down while worshipping their gods hence they are equally closer to the truth, according to your logic. Even Ifa priest also bow their heads to Ifa, and so what's your point?

As for going to Jerusalem or mecca for pilgrimage, it is for business (for the transport agents) and brainwashing for the people wasting their money going there. If God won't answer your prayer in Nigeria he won't still answer even if you go to Mecca, connect to Medina and take the next flight to Jerusalem, God will not answer. God is not limited to time, space or distance.

If you have any plan going to Mecca, don't waste it bro. Look around and use the money to help the poor and the needy around you and God will bless your generation for that. Stop enriching the airline companies and the agents in the name of 'pilgrimage'. Black people should have sense.

true2god:
Blocking public roads is a problem associates with Islam worldwide and most western countries have to enact laws to address this public nuisance. Drawing redeem church into this argument shows that you guys are not ready to address this social problem.

worldwide?. You can't discern legally occupying the roads (obtain permit from appropriate authority) and blocking the roads as act of nuisance?. In NYC on eld and sometimes jummah, they are sometimes issued permit by the city. That's no longer constituting nuisance and it is legal.

The Bhudist and the Hindus also bow down while worshipping their gods hence they are equally closer to the truth, according to your logic. Even Ifa priest also bow their heads to Ifa, and so what's your point?

Alabosi. You know exactly what I am talking about. Stop your hypocrisy.

As for going to Jerusalem or mecca for pilgrimage, it is for business (for the transport agents) and brainwashing for the people wasting their money going there. If God won't answer your prayer in Nigeria he won't still answer even if you go to Mecca, connect to Medina and take the next flight to Jerusalem, God will not answer. God is not limited to time, space or distance.

sounds like Atheist tune here. Our pilgrimage to Mecca is act of worship. Your pilgrimage to Jerusalem is for business and act of jealousy.

If you have any plan going to Mecca, don't waste it bro. Look around and use the money to help the poor and the needy around you and God will bless your generation for that. Stop enriching the airline companies and the agents in the name of 'pilgrimage'. Black people should have sense.

in Sha Allah I'm going. I'm not going to Mecca for anybody but for Allaah. Yes, we can always hello the poor. Don't lump the 'unlumpable'

true2god:
It seems every Muslim has his own 'sunnah' of the prophet. My neighbours, everyday, wake up 4:30am to eat 'sari' and by 5;30am they are through. They eat well, I mean to full capacity, to take them till evening while they whine during the day saying 'awe tin gbomi' (I am being weakened by today's fasting), 'maa yomi lenu jare, mo n gbawe' (stop disturbing me because I am fasting), and some other clownish excuses.

we have ignorant people amongst muslims too. With time they will understand.

There is no issue making an official announcement for the commencement of ramadan, the issue is the daily clowning by Muslims that they are fasting as if someone forced them to.

it is a reminder to not want to be bothered. This is mandatory fasting the same way it is mandatory to offer daily salat bcuz we constantly say "I want to go and pray".

But this is different from voluntary fasting. That's, outside of Ramadan. This should be kept secret.. The same applies to optional or voluntary salat. These are personal spiritual growth and stays between creator and worshiper. But the former is necessarily proclaimed because they are the practical tenets of Islam which we call people to.

true2god:
You are mixing things up here as a result of excessive brainwashing. Your submission could have been 'the Quran should not be translated' instead of 'the quran cannot be translated'. There is no book that cannot be translated while retaining the context of the original language, unless you want to tell me that all Arab speakers are ignorant (of other languages) that they cannot do a good job of translatiing their quran to other languages. The issue is that you are merely using semantic to cover the inadequacies and inconsistencies in your quran. The submission you give now is one of the dumbest I have ever seen in my life.

The reason you cannot pray in other language is that if you do, the prayer will not make any sense to a crtitical mind of the person listening to it in his mother-tongue. And since many muslims do not even understand the meaning of the prayers, vis-a-vis Arab language itself, it is same parroting it to the gullble while they say 'AMIN' at the end. Your Al-fathia (the beginning, quran 1:1-7) is a great testimony to this fact. As a take away, who was speaking in quran 1:1-7? Is it Allah, Jibril or mohammed?

This really got me thinking and laughing at the same time

Imagine these below verses being read out during salat in Arabic and someone spreads his hands in prayer, at the end of the day says "amen". When the verses are actually saying he cannot avoid going to hell. Chaii , very funny.

Sahih International, Quran 19: 71-72

And there is none of you except he will come to it. This is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed.

Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees.

Empiree:
The attachment speaks volume. I am not here to argue. Take it or leave it. If Quran makes undeniable references to jewish and christian history and prophets but they did not make reference to islam despite clear texts are shown, then, ain't here to engage in endless argument.

But every portion of the Bible have been written before Mohammed was born.

So how could the writers have done it?

sapientia:


But every portion of the Bible have been written before Mohammed was born.

So how could the writers have done it?

Bible writers were fraudulent. We have proved this.

Empiree:
Bible writers were fraudulent. We have proved this.

Simple exercise, who spoke in surah al-fathiha (Quran 1:1-7)? Second exercise, which of the surah is meant to come first, surah 1 or surah 96?

sapientia:


But every portion of the Bible have been written before Mohammed was born.

So how could the writers have done it?

www.abdullahsameer.com/blog/abdullah-ibn-abi-sarh/

https://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Sources/sarh.html

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Corruption_of_the_Qur'an

The links above will give you an insight of how the Quran was compiled. The truth is out and no Muslims can lie to us that the Quran was inspired by any God.

true2god:
Simple exercise, who spoke in surah al-fathiha (Quran 1:1-7)? Second exercise, which of the surah is meant to come first, surah 1 or surah 96?

see desperation

I know your faith in Christianity is half & half

sapientia:


But every portion of the Bible have been written before Mohammed was born.

So how could the writers have done it?

including king James that was written in 1604 and completed as well as published in 1611?.

You sound like a sick person

Empiree:
see desperation

I know your faith in Christianity is half & half

You made a claim:
Bible writers were fraudulent. We have proved this.

And I asked you:
Simple exercise, who spoke in surah al-fathiha (Quran 1:1-7)? Second exercise, which of the surah is meant to come first, surah 1 or surah 96?

I have asked you guys these questions over 20times without any response. I am giving you another opportunity to respond; I know you are capable.

Empiree:
we have ignorant people amongst muslims too. With time they will understand.



it is a reminder to not want to be bothered. This is mandatory fasting the same way it is mandatory to offer daily salat bcuz we constantly say "I want to go and pray".

But this is different from voluntary fasting. That's, outside of Ramadan. This should be kept secret.. The same applies optional or voluntary salat. These are personal spiritual growth and stay between creator and worshiper. But the former is necessarily proclaimed because they are the practical tenets of Islam which we call people to

u are full of knowledge and wisdom.



I respect you

Empiree:
see desperation

I know your faith in Christianity is half & half

Looks like you are afraid to answer the question.
Perhaps it will expose your underbelly.
A simple question and you are unable to answer?

sagenaija:

Looks like you are afraid to answer the question.
Perhaps it will expose your underbelly.
A simple question and you are unable to answer?

knowing that it was answered already either in this thread or the other thread by you or yinka?. Why do you think I should bother myself over again?

Empiree:
knowing that it was answered already either in this thread or the other thread by you or yinka?. Why do you think I should bother myself over again?

You are showing more and more who you are.

You came into a thread, contributed and asked questions then suddenly you don't want to 'BOTHER' yourself to respond to a simple question:

" who spoke in surah al-fathiha (Quran 1:1-7)? Second exercise, which of the surah is meant to come first, surah 1 or surah 96?"

There is nothing wrong in simply admitting 'I don't know'
You need not try to present yourself as a know-it-all.

sagenaija:

You are showing more and more who you are.

You came into a thread, contributed and asked questions then suddenly you don't want to 'BOTHER' yourself to respond to a simple question:

" who spoke in surah al-fathiha (Quran 1:1-7)? Second exercise, which of the surah is meant to come first, surah 1 or surah 96?"

There is nothing wrong in simply admitting 'I don't know'
You need not try to present yourself as a know-it-all.

See @bold that was revealed first. Feel comfortable now?. I am sure the former was answered some weeks ago by different contributors including myself. If you are not comfortable with our answers, Deal With It

Empiree:
including king James that was written in 1604 and completed as well as published in 1611?.

You sound like a sick person

Am not sick sir, but you are talking about the translation to English.

If the Quoran is translated to English, does it make it the official date of coming into existence?

Christianity predates Islam so am still asking you how your request could have been possible.

By the Time the last apostles died, it took another four centuries for Mohammed to be born.

So I ask again, was it not Islam that should knowledge where it lifted most of its Quoran?

Bible writers were fraudulent. We have proved this.

Proofs from people that were not around when it was written?

The type of things some of you guys just type easily.

Not that I care same as any christian.

But no one call the Quoran Fraudulent without losing his life if he is surrounded by mostly Muslims.

If it happens to e middle East, then.......................

true2god:
www.abdullahsameer.com/blog/abdullah-ibn-abi-sarh/

https://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Sources/sarh.html

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Corruption_of_the_Qur'an

Empiree:
knowing that it was answered already either in this thread or the other thread by you or yinka?. Why do you think I should bother myself over again?

Uncles 'empire', you refused to touch my questions, 'wetin I do you nau?' Just tell me who spoke in sura al-fathiha 'opari'. And since the Quran was masterfully written and arranged, just kidding, which is meant to come first, surah al-fathiha or surah alaqa (surah 96)?