openmine:

Guy relax...i know your people!
Stop trying to act like the victim!

I am not concerned about sympathy. I am not acting like a victim, I just said, you got the wrong end of the stick about the cc

openmine:
Maybe this might jog your memory since you seem to have reading amnesia on my responses....

I almost fell down from my chair while laughing at your fast and furious grandstanding!



Okay I believe you can fully comprehend your word usage? no?
These are your very words.....


What do you mean by NOTHING UNTOWARD?
Let me assist you....
According to baba MuttleyLaff,
In pidgin:God no see any thing bad with man and man way dey nak each other!
In english:God sees nothing wrong with a man having se.x with another man!

Now show me.....where i took your words out of context!

You took it out of context and the fact that I made that comment and similar ones during and when talking about the lies orchestrated with misinterpreting and using falsified translated words in Bible verses like Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 etcetera

openmine:
Forget all these shenanigans!
I know your type!

You think you know my type.

openmine:

Please take it easy with him my brother!

I fell sorry for him too. I thought he was a scholar, that he likes information and knowledge, that he reads

MuttleyLaff:
I am not concerned about sympathy. I am not acting like a victim, I just said, you got the wrong end of the stick about the cc

You are not acting like one!
You are one!
Deal with it!

MuttleyLaff:

You took it out of context and the fact that I made that comment and similar ones during and when talking about the lies orchestrated with misinterpreting and using falsified translated words in Bible verses like Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 etcetera

Guy you are running around in circles which is your trademark so am no perturbed!
What again is NOTHING UNTOWARD?
How can you write something you cant defend only to claim that you have been misquoted or misinterpreted!
You first denied that i never said you would give out scriptures,that was busted and you started negotiating by asking for a backtrack
You then denied that i quoted you out of context....
Abeg make i ask you....what is the contextual meaning behind NOTHING UNTOWARD?
Abi e get Hebrew meaning way you insert there?
Its so difficult to know where you stand...one minute you are saying God permits and allows homosexual acts(consensual or not),the next minute you are backtracking such statement!
Chai

MuttleyLaff:

You think you know my type.

Yes i believe i do

MuttleyLaff:

I fell sorry for him too. I thought he was a scholar, that he likes information and knowledge, that he reads

I also feel sorry for you too because you are trying so hard to use him as a form of diversion right now!
Please stop this your ad infinitum rigmarole!

I had to find you and deliver my rejoinder in your stronghold... You abandoned your lecture in another thread

MuttleyLaff:


if you plan to improperly lean on to those 3 verses, Act 11:26, Act 26:28 and especially 1 Peter 4:16 as acceptance or validation

Peter telling not to be ashamed, if you suffer as a Christian, isnt calling you a christian nor saying you are a christian. All Peter said, is peradventure, if it so happens, you are treated as a Christian, then dont be ashamed that you've been, but instead, glorify God for getting treated that way

1 Peter 4

"Yet if any man suffer as a CHRISTIAN, let him not be ashamed; [16] but let him glorify God on this BEHALF." (AV, 1 Peter 4:16)


"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it FIRST BEGIN AT US, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (AV, 1 Peter 4:17)


I just hope this need no further clarification with the capitalized.. …… begin at us being called this name , christian ….. Not just at the house but at us called this name Christian...used to distinguished them from other sects within the house of God like Pharisees and Sadducees. .....The , AND .... Gives the idea of different sect within the house of God... Every synagogue has those two prominent sect back then, Pharisees and Sadducees. General judgement for the house of God's house but special and more severe one for those called or identified as Christian ....doing things like Jesus Christ.....Following his ways and means and generating the waves as he did


Note that this Peter message makes it clear that everyone is a believer who believes in God. But all all who believe in God not is a Christian . The synagogue is a place for believers . ..everyone ...that is why it was the custom of Paul to always go there to debate the scripture with them .

Christian on the other hand , are believers who are following Christ methodology or teachings and examples in approaching God. Any deviation and you are a believer and not a Christian ... Muslims are believers but not Christians , Catholics are believers but not Christians , Hindus are believers but not Christians


There is an easy to read version of the Bible ...get it ... That is what you need...KJV is beyond your level of development, mental and spiritual.


I will continue with the other parts of your work if they have biblical input but if it is about history please forget it ... My reason is well documented in this same thread. ... Hope you have read beyond page 6, by now

Ubenedictus and 9inches come and carry this your disciple.


Here is the link back to the thread

https://www.nairaland.com/5128731/oblate-eusebius-oguizu-dead-founder/12#79040805

MuttleyLaff:
I repeat what I said earlier, that I have plenty more surprising facts for you, and that your squirming and agonizing days have just begun. If not that you, elated177, jesusjnr etcetera are afraid of answering questions...

I also said, it is the reason, the elated177, the jesusjnr, the Agrogbeide, the shepherd00, the etcetera of their bunch, find it difficult to respond to battery of questions I posed at them. All people like you and the others do, is putting out long winded posts to eat up the time whilst avoiding answering my easy, simple, sensible, straightforward questions I put out...

I saw how you were being persistent in your strawman mining, that I just had to stand back and step away, but now, that we are back on course, let's lay down some ground rules, hmm?
1/ No one should parry, dodge, sidestep questions or give an asked question, a wide berth
2/ No one should respond or act in an evasive way when explicitly and clearly, is asked, easy, simple, sensible, straightforward and direct pointed questions (e.g. why did God say it is an abomination? What is the reason why God found it detestable? What is detestable about same sex couples having a romantic relationship? etcetera)
3/ All and each questions should be given outright answers, which could be: respond with details, respond with yes, no or I dont know
4/ Strawman mining is not permitted
5/ Important to know about Bible content being king, but also agree and accept that it's Bible context, who is king-maker
6/ Invite and appoint an objective, open-minded referee for this thread, choice can be taken from illustrious posters like, VBCampaign, Goshen360, paxonel, Kkins25, OkCornel or OkaiCorne, frank317, budaatum, Michellekabod2, vaxx, FOLYKAZE, johnydon22, HappyPagan or any other of good repute poster
7/ Exegesis, concerned with discovering the true, honest and exact meaning of Bible text(s), as opposed to eisegesis, should be the rule of the day.
8/ Dont fire questions after questions, in attempt to prevent the other poster(s) getting words in between, as it'll be reported to the referee
9/ Dont distort, dont misrepresent whoever's post you are commenting on or responding to, as this will be brought to the attention of the referree
10/ Dont go off on an irrelevant tangent, trying to make discussed issues less clear with it and/or make asked questions harder to understand.

A categorically big fat YES

Not germane because my response was a big fat YES above.

I was literally just laughing my head off, when you made the comment about creational order and now you're asking a question about why same sex union was not nowhere modelled in scripture. Well TV01, the reason why same sex union isnt modelled in scripture is because the word of God is living and active. Of course TV01, you know Proverbs 25:2, that testifies to my sentence leading up to here, and it states that: "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings."

Absolutely Yes, as in, Yes, without a shadow of doubt.

It is an incontrovertible truth that God, who sees and knows the end from the beginning, an Omnicompetent, all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing God, knew about SS attraction and SS relationships, so by extension, SS attraction and SS relationships are not just part of God's creational intent but are inclusive. Through the wisdom and design of God, the idea provides consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults with a sense of belonging. We all agree and accept that the feeling that one belongs, is among the most important, in seeing the value in life. Nobody should

Simples. God's intent for unions TV01, would be to love and be loved back. That is what God is, is what God is about, love and we that are made in the image of God, need to display strongly and openly that side of/about God TV01

TV01, it is not about who you love, but how you love. Remember that there is no male and female.

What does Romans 8:1 say TV01?
It states that:
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

TV01, how can you try to curse those whom God has not cursed, hmm?

Not applicable because I responded Yes.
I wish you walk the way you've just talked now.

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Shepherd00, I am talking of the vertical to God and the horizontal to your neighbour love. Of course, I am causing one to think that I am talking of the Agape love also known as unconditional love

The chief enemy of creativity is good sense, common sense and no sense wiseness, so Shepherd00, firstly, let us agree to accept that people who are gay will always be few and far between, OK? Secondly, those involved in homosexuality are people, OK? Thirdly, my discussion, comes within the purview of consensual adult homosexuality, homosexuals/lesbians and/or same sex attraction and union(s), especially one that is in, a kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, not harmful and committed life long until death do them part relationships

Since homosexuality, is the quality or characteristic of people being sexually attracted solely to people of one's own sex and has to do with human beings, then homosexuality, just as much as heterosexuality is creative and offers service(s) to the Universe

Yes, God originated and designed it

This is like asking for what purpose is there for being lefthanded.
Having genuine homosexual behaviour, as in my preceded, stated clearly and in detail, context, respect and/or circumstances, is no more abnormal than being lefthanded is Shepherd00. It is not evil, it is not doing anybody harm and/or you as a homosexual/lesbian, arent necessarily harming others with it

Being gay is like being left handed. Just as some people are left handed, so, some people aren't. Nobody really knows why, except for, it's because we live in an imperfect world. It is not a matter of right or wrong here Shepherd00. It is a matter of thats just the way things are, and so it is that, there is nothing abnormal in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour

Is it possible, that love can be extraordinary, that there is love wonderful and passing the love of women? Of course, yes, for some, there is and it is biblical

Did we not agree to accept that people who are gay will always be few and far between, hmm?
Well, everyone agrees that heterosexuality is the norm and that about 95% of the human race is heterosexual, so no panic, no alarm about how will humanity continue with homosexuality in practice

I dont know of any Patriarchs or Matriarchs, who in the Bible, were incontrovertibly practised homosexuals Shepherd00

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I was not afraid to respond to or answer questions, and I will continue to keep this habit until the wheels fall off this drive we've jumped on. I trust you Shepherd00 and TV01 will reciprocate same gesture, as I have a lot of very pertinent questions for both you individuals. You dont know what colour of bird is in my pocket, albeit, I all along have been giving you samples and hints of what to expect. I havent at all scratched the surface of this whole subject issue, please dont be fooled by the tip so far revealed
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This thread was opened to first and initially respond to the questions TV01 & Shepherd00 put to me, after which it becomes a vehicle, with which to gradually deconstruct the perpetrated lies, deliberately misinterpreted bible texts, and expose the myth that adult homosexuality/same sex union is evil and/or threatening

Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons. The time is now, if ever there is a time to rightly divided the Word of truth. It's just that the light of the truth, can be harsh to those that have been far too long in the dark.

"We can easily forgive a child, who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life, is when men are afraid of the light."
- Plato

MuttleyLaff:
and so? What are you trying to say by referrring to and/or quoting Acts 11:26 huh?

Jesus asked the disciples: ''Who do people say I am?''
After the disciples gave all manner of answers, He zeroed in.
''But what about you?'' He asked. ''Who do you say I am?''

You are not defined by what others call you, and so, believers too, are not defined by what the people of Antioch called us. What the people of Antioch, said about the believers is not a reflection of believers but a reflection of the people of Antioch, known for their penchant of giving out nicknames, especially with bad meaning, to others. You could see in your King Agrippa bible verse how the king sneered at the word "Christian"

The best way to have approached some of the weighty declarations you made in this your submission would have been to cite instances. An example of one such submission needing an instance is your Alignment with the school of thought that says the name Christian mentioned in this Acts 11:26 was derogatory with your reason for that being the people of Antioch were famous for giving out nicknames. The Bible says in the mouth of two or three is a thing confirmed so provide examples of their previous exploit in this business of nickname generation.

To the name proper , I do not know how you came to the conclusion that the name Christian, used to distinguish or identify the believers in Christ including the Apostles here was derisive and a product of the prowess of the people of Antioch in inventing nicknames. Names known to have been given to some Christian sect as a result of their extreme or seemingly extreme proclivity for certain aspect of the scripture includes puritan, Methodist and in today's Christendom, prosperity church.

Judging from the very chapter , there is no indication that the name came out of the mouth of a comedian of Antioch origin unless you can off course, point out a verse in that chapter that gave this your indication. I will help with the chapter here:

The first part of the chapter was Peter accounting for his actions. The second part that has to do with the name is reproduced here as extract so you can point out where you got the idea from.

"Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only." (AV, Acts 11:19).........This is Inquisition in the scripture even before Rome and Constantine came into the scene.


"And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, [ Not just the original 12 anymore because the company of believers had grown very large amongst the Jews and outside them] which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto [17] the Grecians, [18] preaching the Lord Jesus." (AV, Acts 11:20)

"And [20] the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and [19] turned unto the Lord." (AV, Acts 11:21)..... The hand of the lord was evident in their midst therefore a GREAT NUMBER believed the evidence before ethem

"Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church which was in Jerusalem: and they sent forth [21] Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch." (AV, Acts 11:22).... More hand was sent from headquarters to help in Antioch


"Who, when he came, and had seen the grace of God, was glad, and [23] exhorted them all, that with purpose of heart they would [22] cleave unto the Lord." (AV, Acts 11:23)..... He didn't notice derision but saw the grace of God to remain faithful to the faith

"For he was a good man, and full of the Holy Ghost and of faith: [24] and much people was added unto the Lord." (AV, Acts 11:24).... More people were added ...not jokers or comedians but people of Antioch


"Then departed Barnabas to [25] Tarsus, for to seek Saul:" (AV, Acts 11:25).... No ugly untoward incident before his departure

"And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch." (AV, Acts 11:26)..... A whole year they taught MUCH people about Christ not how to be a comedian or joker per excellent but good Christian. Then they were called Christians first here in Antioch … Take note that they taught not the doctrine of man but Christ for a whole year under than hand of the Mighty Holy Spirit… Then the learned , those who have been under tutelage have them a name , Christian . Certainly if we are to believe the works of Peter in the first part of this chapter where as yet he taught the spirit fell upon all them that heard , we can draw similar conclusion that the name came from the student under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and not a comedy thing. You can't be under discipleship for a year and not come under the disciple lifestyle. They taught and impartation followed and the next things was the spirit inspired outburst, Christians!

There is no elements of joke in the name. Nothing dishonouring about it. Nothing controversial about it like prosperity CHURCH and all the misinformation out there against them. Christin , doing the Christ way. Through uncommon wisdom, practical demonstration of the power of the world to come … What is derisive about that?

As imperfect as Buhari is, to be called a Buharideen in the right circle like in the villa, government houses across Nigeria and the media like NTA carries weight not dishonour. “To be the professed friends of the Messiah, or the Christ, was not with Jews a matter of reproach, for they all professed to be the friends of the Messiah” . Reproach is when you called them followers of a sectional like like Jesus of Nazareth like , sorry, calling a knowledgeable Tinubu loyalist a follower of the leader of APC in Lagos state or southwest and not Nigeria. It is derogatory.


"And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?" (AV, Acts 2:7)

"[4]For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:" (AV, Acts 24:5)


You don't a derogatory name from believers who have harboured you and listened to you for a whole year. . It always comes from outsiders like the one condemning prosperity churches without ever entering any to find out what they actually preach.

Will continue with the other parts of your work later. I am at home and my boy is not letting me have any rest today .


NB: this is for Ubenedictus and 9inches. An angel could not save a soul even though soul winning is the core of the great commission. He had to instruct the man to send for Peter .. he didn't try to do the works of human being and your church believe that a being that can't save can intercede for other issues of life ... Crazy bunch of lunatics.


Here is the link


https://www.nairaland.com/5128731/oblate-eusebius-oguizu-dead-founder/12#79040805

MuttleyLaff:
On the contrary, there is nothing that miles apart from the truth in this your comment

My niche is to reveal exactly what the Bible and God says. People are too busy putting their trust in other men, checking what they see as abominable and what some other person says, without even finding out or seeing for themselves, if it what they've learned, what's being taught, really lines up with the Bible or not, they've allowed the devil use them as a tool and fill their mind up as a garbage dump. Only if people will read the bible in its historical context, would they see the lies perpetrated about what really was and is abominable.

No, TV01, no one, not even you, not matter your chutzpah, do you have the right, to make the Bible say things it never said, didnt say and doesnt say and/or mean. Please, be conscious of the title of this thread, lets re-learn and stop getting things twisted.

Thank you so very much for your friendly, generous and considerate act of kindness.

I have answered yours and Shepherd00 questions, so should I go ahead and ask my question(s) TV01? As I have earlier said, I do have quite a lot of very pertinent questions for both you and Shepherd00. You dont know what colour of bird is in my pocket, although, I all along have been fair and generous, by giving you samples and hints of what to expect from me. Recall that I've kept saying that, I havent at all scratched the surface of this whole subject issue, and to please not be fooled by the tip of what's so far revealed. Or you prefer, I wait until Shepherd00 turns up, hmm?

On a side note, how do you do it? How do you manage, hmm?

The same applies to you. You don't know your league
Having read a couple of badly written so called history books you imagine you were ready to take on anybody . Small boy

MuttleyLaff:
I love it when someone knows their limit and boundaries.
It is good when someone knows when not to cross the line and when to wisely say, No, I am not doing anymore

openmine:
Guy you are running around in circles which is your trademark so am no perturbed!
What again is NOTHING UNTOWARD?
How can you write something you cant defend only to claim that you have been misquoted or misinterpreted!
You first denied that i never said you would give out scriptures,that was busted and you started negotiating by asking for a backtrack
You then denied that i quoted you out of context....
Abeg make i ask you....what is the contextual meaning behind NOTHING UNTOWARD?
Abi e get Hebrew meaning way you insert there?
Its so difficult to know where you stand...one minute you are saying God permits and allows homosexual acts(consensual or not),the next minute you are backtracking such statement!
Chai

I can defend what I wrote about the lies perpetrated by falsifying original Bible text meanings about myth and Bible verses made to look as if same sex relationships and acts are to be hated.

Nothing untoward, means, there is nothing in the clobber verses you and others band about that originally ever said anything against homosexuality and same sex relationships or unions. Have you got it now?

I never backtracked, never flinched but was trying to accommodate you by being fair, generous and open handed. I never denied anything, what I said is you are asking me something that isn't in the remit of why thread was opened. The thread's title is self explanatory about the objective of the author.

I can easily answer you, as I have and did advance the information already somewhat in my long post, but I know, you wouldn't follow and reciprocate after I've answered you

Nodogragra4me:
The same applies to you. You don't know your league
Having read a couple of badly written so called history books you imagine you were ready to take on anybody . Small boy

I am sorry, I immediately had you in mind, when I saw your post reply on the other thread, but as you can see, I am caught preoccupied here on this thread. I will catch up with on there as soon as possible, as I was looking forward to taking you up on your arguments there. Please wait for me to come over there. We will have a ball.

Where did you get the idea that I read from history books, hmm, badly written or not, eh?


Please can you mind your language, who is your small boy here, hmm? Respect is a two way traffic, get your manners in check. Thank you, if not, then don't bother commenting anymore

MuttleyLaff:
I can defend what I wrote about the lies perpetrated by falsifying original Bible text meanings about myth and Bible verses made to look as if same sex relationships and acts are to be hated.

Making such statements can only mean you never had scriptures to back your claims...no?

MuttleyLaff:

Nothing untoward, means, there is nothing in the clobber verses you and others band about that originally ever said anything against homosexuality and same sex relationships or unions. Have you got it now?

You are putting too much words on this!
Or let me make it easier for you before you say you were wrongly misquoted!
God permits and allows homosexual acts..YES OR NO?

MuttleyLaff:

I never backtracked, never flinched but was trying to accommodate you by being fair, generous and open handed. I never denied anything, what I said is you are asking me something that isn't in the remit of why thread was opened. The thread's title is self explanatory about the objective of the author.

Ohh yes you did!
Fortunately,my recent posts dont lie!
No matter the title of the thread....when the body lies,the entire thread including the title gets robbed of the truth!
Next time,be straight forward with the persons you intend inviting to such threads!
I believe the reason why you are not getting much support or inputs from advocates of SS unions on your thread is because you made it seem like you had scriptures to prove that God permitted such acts!

MuttleyLaff:

I can easily answer you, as I have and did advance the information already somewhat in my long post, but I know, you wouldn't follow and reciprocate after I've answered you

Another barefaced lie that may end up being rejected by yours truly!
Oga lets face it...you have none!
And that's the saddest and most worrisome part of this discus!
Next time,dont claim or boast about what you can't do!

Nodogragra4me:
The same applies to you. You don't know your league
Having read a couple of badly written so called history books you imagine you were ready to take on anybody . Small boy

openmine:
Making such statements can only mean you never had scriptures to back your claims...no?

Making that statement was said in relation to the Bible verses that have been twisted to mean and say things the original text never said nor meant. Those were the scriptures that I was expecting and planned to deal with. The claims I made were against the lies, I was unrevealing

openmine:
You are putting too much words on this!
Or let me make it easier for you before you say you were wrongly misquoted!
God permits and allows homosexual acts..YES OR NO?

You of course, know my answer is Yes. I have never hidden or sat on the fence about that.

openmine:
Ohh yes you did!
Fortunately,my recent posts dont lie!
No matter the title of the thread....when the body lies,the entire thread including the title gets robbed of the truth!
Next time,be straight forward with the persons you intend inviting to such threads!
I believe the reason why you are not getting much support or inputs from advocates of SS unions on your thread is because you made it seem like you had scriptures to prove that God permitted such acts!

I invited all and sundry to come witness the expose done on the lies and myth as the title of the thread tells. You know what my primary and major objective was

openmine:
Another barefaced lie that may end up being rejected by yours truly!
Oga lets face it...you have none!
And that's the saddest and most worrisome part of this discus!
Next time, dont claim or boast about what you can't do!

Why don't you put here verbatim what I typed and lets both examine it contextually

openmine:

Its always people like Nodogragra4me who are cerebrally small who would see and call others they know nothing about, they haven't met, small boy.

MuttleyLaff:
Making that statement was said in relation to the Bible verses that have been twisted to mean and say things the original text never said nor meant. Those were the scriptures that I was expecting and planned to deal with. The claims I made were against the lies, I was

Thats has been my issue with you all along!
You left the scriptures that will intro you submissions to dispute other scriptures that other held onto!
You were unable to offer no scripture to back your claims!
The ones you even managed to muster were unrelated and unconnected verses in Matthew 19:12 and Romans 8:1-2!

MuttleyLaff:

You of course, know my answer is Yes. I have never hidden or sat on the fence about that.

So its simply means that God loves homosexual acts nah
Isn't that what i said that made you say i am misinterpreting you?
Don't you know that whatever you permit or tolerate only implies that you love it?
We no dey english class ohh

MuttleyLaff:

I invited all and sundry to come witness the expose done on the lies and myth as the title of the thread tells. You know what my primary and major objective was

Expose on lies and myth using SCRIPTURES Oga!
Don't omit that part in your earlier submissions!
For once say the truth and eat your humble pie!

MuttleyLaff:

Why don't you put here verbatim what I typed and lets both examine it contextually

And yet you were accusing someone of the same thing you are doing right now.....
Practice what you preach!
These are your very words....Don't take us backwards

MuttleyLaff:

SCRIPTURES are already coming on the thread from me, more fast and furious to come, the minute TV01 begins to answer those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him

MuttleyLaff:
Listen, because I am not going to repeat myself, I didnt open this thread to "reel out 'scriptures' that proves that God permits, tolerates and love homosexual acts!". The title of the thread is self explanatory enough, so please, get that straight. Thank you very much.

MuttleyLaff:

Its always people like Nodogragra4me who are cerebrally small who would see and call others they know nothing about, they haven't met, small boy.

When someone gives you a dose of your own medicine,you protest!

...ButtleyStraff right now


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIgJQaiOt4s


TV

openmine:
Thats has been my issue with you all along!
You left the scriptures that will intro you submissions to dispute other scriptures that other held onto!
You were unable to offer no scripture to back your claims!
The ones you even managed to muster were unrelated and unconnected verses in Matthew 19:12 and Romans 8:1-2! Huh

So its simply means that God loves homosexual acts nah
Isn't that what i said that made you say i am misinterpreting you?
Don't you know that whatever you permit or tolerate only implies that you love it?
We no dey english class ohh

Expose on lies and myth using SCRIPTURES Oga!
Don't omit that part in your earlier submissions!
For once say the truth and eat your humble pie!

And yet you were accusing someone of the same thing you are doing right now.....
Practice what you preach!
These are your very words....Don't take us backwards

I can't on my smartphone see the original URL link to my post you pasted up above. I will wait until when I get on MAC to review and prove you got everything wrong especially about the context of the content you brought up

openmine:
When someone gives you a dose of your own medicine, you protest!

Which kind dose of your own medicine is that ehn? Why not show me, where I've called you or any other poster small boy like Nodogragra4me did, hmm?

TV01:
...ButtleyStraff right now

h t tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIgJQaiOt4s

TV

Naija will catch up and stop stripping people stark naaked
Naija in five to fifteen years time, will have same sex persons in government. Mark my words

Good buff and fit body though.
The knight in shining armour at the end carried her in his arms. Ended good at the end.

MuttleyLaff:
I can't on my smartphone see the original URL link to my post you pasted up above. I will wait until when I get on MAC to review and prove you got everything wrong especially about the context of the content you brought up

Oga if you want i can help you screen-grab that place for you!
In-fact, let me go back and check if you have 'mistakenly' edited your own words!
I no trust you!
Even the guy dey deny him own words!
Context kor content nii
Abi you write am in greek or hebrew where you wan find context on-top wetin you write by yourself?

openmine:

Oga if you want i can help you screen-grab that place for you!
In-fact, let me go back and check if you have 'mistakenly' edited your own words!
I no trust you!
Even the guy dey deny him own words!
Context kor content nii
Abi you write am in greek or hebrew where you wan find context on-top wetin you write by yourself?

Please do, with the context that led up to me making the comment showing also in the screen grab. Thank you

MuttleyLaff:
Please do, with the context that led up to me making the comment showing also in the screen grab. Thank you

You are asking me to do what you will never do if i requested for such!
However,am not like you!
I cant place all your quotations here but i can do a trail from your apparent gloating that led to the last statement you admittedly made which confirmed my suspicions about your hesitant stance!
I have neither made any alterations and you can feel free to cross-check if the need arises!
Enjoy!!

MuttleyLaff:

SCRIPTURES are already coming on the thread from me, more fast and furious to come, the minute TV01 begins to answer those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him

MuttleyLaff:

The scriptural reference or backing for this, in Jesus' words, please, is or can be found in Matthew 19:12a, where Jesus stated emphatically and/or publicly said some are born that way from their mother's womb, as in from birth.

MuttleyLaff:

It is not like, as if, everything I type, can't be looked up in the Bible, if anyone wants to try prove me wrong. Do some research of your own, on everything you find me type on this thread, to find proof of what I am saying. Believers, should do heavy lifting too and dont be waiting, sitting and looking for other people to do work for them

MuttleyLaff:

God sees NOTHING UNTOWARD in consensual adult homosexuality, homosexuals/lesbians and/or same sex attraction and union(s), especially one that is in, a kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, not harmful and committed life long until death do them part relationships

MuttleyLaff:
Listen, because I am not going to repeat myself, I didnt open this thread to "reel out 'scriptures' that proves that God permits, tolerates and love homosexual acts!". The title of the thread is self explanatory enough, so please, get that straight. Thank you very much.

Never mind, when I get behind my MAC, we'll find out

MuttleyLaff:
Never mind, when I get behind my MAC, we'll find out

Na you sabi

openmine:

Na you sabi

From what you've pasted up there, it comes across that the author wasnt necessarily going to spoon feed anyone, as actually was expecting them to lift things themselves, as opposed him giving them stuff on a platter, don't you think openmine?

MuttleyLaff:
From what you've pasted up there, it comes across that the author wasnt necessarily going to spoon feed anyone, as actually was expecting them to lift things themselves, as opposed him giving them stuff on a platter, don't you think openmine?

Oga you dey find talk!
I have given you what you requested for!
Whenever you are making a postulation or theory esp one that is as controversial as yours,making your submissions and the base of your argument which is providing scriptures should be key!
Explicit and straightforward!
Even controversial topics as tithe was done in such a manner that one can view them using scriptures!
This was what I have been saying all along!
However,when you leave gaps on your patchy theory and expect people will swallow it hook,line and sinker,then you are in for such reactions!

openmine:
Oga you dey find talk!
I have given you what you requested for!
Whenever you are making a postulation or theory esp one that is as controversial as yours,making your submissions and the base of your argument which is providing scriptures should be key!
Explicit and straightforward!
Even controversial topics as tithe was done in such a manner that one can view them using scriptures!
This was what I have been saying all along!
However,when you leave gaps on your patchy theory and expect people will swallow it hook,line and sinker,then you are in for such reactions!

Its good to talk naa.

If I may ask you what were the circumstances I had that brought up the postulation or theory. The patch theory as you put it, were content, now openmine, what was the context of those content please.

MuttleyLaff:
Its good to talk naa.

If I may ask you what were the circumstances I had that brought up the postulation or theory. The patch theory as you put it, were content, now openmine, what was the context of those content please.

Bros you wan give person work when person get work to do abi?
Okay!
Theory is to research what doctrine is to scriptures!
You can't make a single hypothesis without the utilization of samples or researches..same is applicable to doctrines...Scripture must be seen to correspond or be in sync with scriptures to have a well defined doctrine!
A half baked doctrine like tithe payment will definitely encounter a logjam esp when scriptures are there to resist such teachings!
No scripture is of private interpretation just as an individual theory without varying researches can't stand the test of time!
What am simply saying is that postulations must have a fulcrum or base that it must stand on!
If you are making an assumption or theory using God as a base for argument,then you must access his scriptures as a baseline!
These scriptures must be simplified,comprehensive,straightforward and inspired by the holy spirit!

openmine:
Bros you wan give person work when person get work to do abi?
Okay!
Theory is to research what doctrine is to scriptures!
You can't make a single hypothesis without the utilization of samples or researches..same is applicable to doctrines...Scripture must be seen to correspond or be in sync with scriptures to have a well defined doctrine!
A half baked doctrine like tithe payment will definitely encounter a logjam esp when scriptures are there to resist such teachings!
No scripture is of private interpretation just as an individual theory without varying researches can't stand the test of time!
What am simply saying is that postulations must have a fulcrum or base that it must stand on!
If you are making an assumption or theory using God as a base for argument,then you must access his scriptures as a baseline!
These scriptures must be simplified,comprehensive,straightforward and inspired by the holy spirit!

Dont worry about that anymore. I've found where the comments are and the contexts surrounding them, so "karamọse" bring in the benjamins, your madam and bom boy are there to look after naa

Like I thought you did, you did actually lifted my comments and isolated them from the circumstances that formed the setting for me making those comments.

I keep it real because I am not afraid to make or have enemies, but sheesh!, with you and the extent of what you've done with those your devious stunts you pulled on me, who needs enemies?

I am now putting together and presenting the the historical context of my comments you cherry-picked from, and presented in such a way to discredit me and make me appear bad. I dont know how someone can descend to this level to concoct false doubts this way, just so as to make me look less honest. Na wa ooo, all just because harmless, gentle, easy going minding their own business same sex couples' issues.

Anyway, it is well, let me continue getting this up for presentation here. "Ah mo juba" loosely translated means "I hail thou"

I have said this before, that, at appropriate times, appropriate scriptures will be shared

MuttleyLaff:
Dont worry about that anymore. I've found where the comments are and the contexts surrounding them, so "karamọse" bring in the benjamins, your madam and bom boy are there to look after naa

Like I thought you did, you did actually lifted my comments and isolated them from the circumstances that formed the setting for me making those comments.

I keep it real because I am not afraid to make or have enemies, but sheesh!, with you and the extent of what you've done with those your devious stunts you pulled on me, who needs enemies?

I am now putting together and presenting the the historical context of my comments you cherry-picked from, and presented in such a way to discredit me and make me appear bad. I dont know how someone can descend to this level to concoct false doubts this way, just so as to make me look less honest. Na wa ooo, all just because harmless, gentle, easy going minding their own business same sex couples' issues.

Anyway, it is well, let me continue getting this up for presentation here. "Ah mo juba" loosely translated means "I hail thou"

I have said this before, that, at appropriate times, appropriate scriptures will be shared

Oga you talk too much!
Saying that what you just posted is a load of drivel is an understatement!
When a guy denies his own words,then you know he can even deny his own name!
It took you ages to accept your very words that you put up about God Supporting homosexual acts....such person can deny his own shadow!
You always play the victims and sentiments card when you have been caught napping!
The only advise I will give you is to be careful what you say,but I doubt if you will heed to such advise since you are likely to make another gaffe in future and still deny it!
Next time look before you leap!

MuttleyLaff:

I have said this before, that, at appropriate times, appropriate scriptures will be shared

Saved for future purposes/references in case you suddenly develop another 'amnesia' while reading!!

openmine:


Oga your perennial echolalia of "strawman mining" is getting rancid and mouldy!
And your neoteric iteration of yoruba dialect is a new one!
Did my uppercut responses intimidate and ultimately retrograde you into an acrolect mode?

Which kind grammar be this

Cc: KingEbukasblog

Ranchhoddas:
Which kind grammar be this
Cc: KingEbukasblog

Spanish grammar

openmine:
Oga you talk too much!
Saying that what you just posted is a load of drivel is an understatement!
When a guy denies his own words,then you know he can even deny his own name!
It took you ages to accept your very words that you put up about God Supporting homosexual acts....such person can deny his own shadow!
You always play the victims and sentiments card when you have been caught napping!
The only advise I will give you is to be careful what you say,but I doubt if you will heed to such advise since you are likely to make another gaffe in future and still deny it!
Next time look before you leap!

Saved for future purposes/references in case you suddenly develop another 'amnesia' while reading!!

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*Drum roll please!: ... and the award for the thread's best liar goes to openmine

The truth always comes out one way or another and so with the four above screenshot grabs, I have exposed your subterfuge and lies against me. A liar's worst eneny is someone with a fairly good memory.

You isolated my comments from the events and points that lead up to them, you showed my comments only just to make up lies of me, misrepresent me and to mislead others by presenting them, only just as the segmented boxed stars shown above.

I knew you took my comments out of context and lifted them out, in isolation of how they came about, but what I now dont know about someone like you, is how you can tell so many barefaced fanstatic lies about me, not feel bad about it and continue to still make up further and more lies about me, like lying about what I've said, without minding how or considering the preceding circumstances behind why I said whatever it is I might have said. I dislike liars intensely, like you and what you've done, actually especially for lying, when all I was doing was keeping it real on the thread.

I have resigned myself to not again exchange with someone like you, who believes their lies about me, concocted up in their own head. You cant constantly be lying against me and expect me to remain interested in you because compulsive or pathological liars like you are, are very difficult to have an engagement with, and you've betrayed the trust, of me taking anything you anymore say on face value.

The lies didnt bothers me, it's the way you used the lies to twist matters up to suit your agenda and never felt bad about that plus aside the fact of your make up lies, it was how you showed to everyone that you are a troll and heckler here to disturb the peace and be insulting.

I wish, you ignore me, same way, I am just about after this post going to start ignoring you

# Ignore Mode ON. Poof!! Magic.
# Phew!! The unclean and lying spirit has been too long strong out in here

MuttleyLaff:
All you've been doing is strawman mining and deviating from the subject title of this thread. If we had a referee, you would have been given a series of yellow cards, if in the absence of getting a red card

Is "Oga" English?. SMH. Tsk, tsk, tsk. "Pẹlẹ ma binu"

openmine:

Oga your perennial echolalia of "strawman mining" is getting rancid and mouldy!
And your neoteric iteration of yoruba dialect is a new one!
Did my uppercut responses intimidate and ultimately retrograde you into an acrolect mode?

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I use all sorts of languages and dialects in my post. Go check my profile and the post history for proof, aside from the screengrab above, showing it never is a new thing I do, like you lied about

Ranchhoddas:
Which kind grammar be this
Cc: KingEbukasblog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASM6AfzXMvc

Dont mind him jaare, thats how crybabies star do. Like he do. "Wen, wen, wen, wen you see a star. Dis star like to talk too much, and if you vex star, star go gif you punch too." Ranchhoddas, thats how pseudo-intellectuals and bombastic persons do. Dats how star like him do.

Lack of social grace, makes some, try too hard to look smart and so start using incorrect and inapplicable big English words like "echolalia, neoteric" etcetera

MuttleyLaff:

I use all sorts of languages and dialects in my post. Go check my profile and the post history for proof, aside from the screengrab above, showing it never is a new thing I do, like you lied about

Dont mind him jaare, thats how crybabies star do. Like he do. "Wen, wen, wen, wen you see a star. Dis star like to talk too much, and if you vex star, star go gif you punch too." Ranchhoddas, thats how pseudo-intellectuals and bombastic persons do. Dats how star like him do.

Lack of social grace, makes some, try too hard to look smart and so start using incorrect and inapplicable big English words like echolalia neoteric

Good morning my quibble and petrified amigo
I went through some uproarious and rib-tickling moment when i read through this load of crap and the very fact that you find some words hard to discern re-enforces my belief that some pips are just 'educated illiterates'!

Oga dont denigrate and embarrass yourself if your system is having a hard time finding out the meaning of words...Google could have been your salvation!!

Repetition:
the action of repeating something that has already been said or written.
"her comments are worthy of repetition"
synonyms:reiteration, repeating, restatement, retelling, iteration, recapitulation; recital, rehearsal; informal recap; rarereprise, iterance
repeating, echoing, parroting, quoting, copying;echolalia

neoteric: Recent,new

This was the statement made in response to his dialect usage!

Oga your perennial echolalia of "strawman mining" is getting rancid and mouldy! tongue
And your neoteric iteration of yoruba dialect is a new one!
Did my uppercut responses intimidate and ultimately retrograde you into an acrolect mode?

But Mr MuttleyLaff was so terrified and went ballistic as he could not decipher the words used even after he sort the assistance of his MAC 2020
So due to his deficient assimilation, i have subserviently decided to disintegrate the word down to his level!
I no want person pikin to kolo because of simple words!

Oga your endless repetition of "strawman mining" is getting stale and old!
And your recent recitation of yoruba dialect is a new one!
Did my punch-like responses intimidate and ultimately revert you into an language mode?

Now let me attend to the other mention that is not only hysterical but a web of mendacious,ham-fisted,and an endless trail of fatuous exhibit!

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