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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 3:36pm On Jun 12
TV01:
MuttleyLaff,

Let me get this right, you are only now replying to posts from quite a while ago using responses previously posted . One of the many subterfuges you employ, although by no means your worst one. And dude, liking one's own posts demeans one, please. tongue.
You want me to reinvent the wheel. I know who has poisoned your mind about anyone liking post. Some just dont accept and give up

TV01:
You fail to produce anything new here, just the normal half-truths, tenuous associations, flagrant mis- or re-interpretations and full-bloodied butchering of scripture. You no dey shame, you no dey tire? Ah, ah! grin
Your distraction posts, I had to in sequence respond to, obviously isnt letting me get to the real post that contended with my lengthy 3-part long post

TV01:
I saw nothing inappropriate about shadeyinka's poser. However, please address any misgivings appropriately.
Of course, you will say that. What was "inappropriate about shadeyinka's poser" was him asking me a question, that I had already addressed in my lengthy 3-part long post. I even provided a URL link and sign posted him so he can get informed. He threw it back in my face, and unashamedly told me in no uncertain terms that reading lengthy content isnt his thing. He also made irreverent remarks about my lengthy 3-part long post. He asked a non question, but didnt like being told he did.

TV01:
As ever, I will certainly take the opportunity to do just that.
Just know that when you do, you will be met with a robust face off

TV01:
Funny how you always trot out the "content is king but context is king-maker" line without ever adhering to it yourself. Hence why I ignored your attempt to get me to sign-up to your bogus charter - not that it fooled me for one moment. it's just another ruse you deploy.
Time is a snitch. Time will tell, time will surely in time show and tell, who has been taking biblical text out of context, will tell who has been interpreting under pretext. Dont worry, I'll expose you when I get round to responding to those your four outstanding posts, I havent replied to yet

TV01:
That chapter was about marriage, it's high expectations and that passage specifically in response to the disciples chomping at those expectations - the implication of being unable to meet them being celibacy.
You dont want to accept that marriage is beyond sexuality, that is part of your problem

TV01:
Leading up to the insight into celibacy, being hard (and a gift for the most part). Does your ideology accept that "homosexuals" can be made so by men? Does your ideology preach that some people become "homosexual/s" for the kingdom of heavens sake??
The Bible teaches abstinence in whatever shape or form

TV01:
It was not a "capture-all" of imperfections resulting form the fall. In fact, the starting point was divorce, therefore the law of Moses. The Lord referenced the creational intent (Male & Female wink) passage to show what was being ushered in - or rather restored - after His completed work.

Your "by extension" arguments are unsubstantiated and a pitiful attempt to read your ideology into scripture


[quote author=TV01 post=79258778]Indeed, I am a literalist and an inerrantist. However I know that not everything detailed in scripture is prescriptive.
More like, you like to cherry-pick

TV01:
I don't actually harbour any ill-will towards those who practice homosex.
Tell this to the marines

TV01:
My desire is to proclaim the truth as I understand it. Like my Father in heaven, my wish is that none should perish and all should come to repentance. What do you presume prompts my longsuffering on this thread grin?
I dont know. I am not sure if it's a hunger for knowledge or for a thirst for truth.

TV01:
Have done, and again above.
Not done good enough

TV01:
Only death dissolves a properly entered into and consummated marital union. Happy to discuss further at a time and place of your choosing, let's not deflect from the matte rat hand - as you are wont to do
Though it was pertinent, though it wasnt deflecting, your wish is my command and I can live with that

TV01:
Repent, believe, obey - that's bible. keep trotting out your ideologically driven clichés - they don't save and could condemn. Take heed sir.
I concur with you, only that there is nothing to repent from

TV01:
Not the bout I had this morning - thank God for sexual dimophousity cool.
It always is a beautiful and fulfilling thing. We thank God for the thought and design of the icing on the cake, without that, no one would have been interested in it, like you and I very much do

TV01:
You, with an unerring singularity, refuse to touch on many points presented. The hetero/homo labelling being one. Nowhere in scripture does God parse or label sexuality in this manner. It's a social and ideological narrative which is not ground in the truth of scripture.
Did you ever do "double dutch" (i.e. jump rope skipping) when growing up. If you did, you'll know about how you bide the time, watching and waiting for that window of opportunity for you to jump in

TV01:
You will always hit a brick wall trying to sanctify and align it with male and female marriage. Consent does not sanctify physical intimacy - notice I don't refer to it as "s3x" or "intercourse", as it is not rightly described as that, it's sodomy. Peace with God is in Christ Jesus and love as you present it in nothing other than a feeling, no matter how intense or erotic.
There you go again with the word "sodomy" and using from departure of it original meaning. Dont worry, never mind, it and all, will be addressed as I deconstruct it, other words and bible verses in my subsequent replies to your outstanding four post I havent got round to

TV01:
Being born that way does not make it right. The same argument is made for a number of pathologies. It is the behaviour the bible condemns, but more importantly, the gospel presents believers with a "re-birth". The old man dies and is re-born. The gospel does not preach re-packaging or refurbished the old man. grin.
Have you noticed that you are yet to tell, what the evil is in homosexual acts. You are yet to tell, what is bad, what is wrong in homosexual acts, the nature of whats in my purview

TV01:
I have answered this - totally irresponsible parenting, child abuse and a failure of the social welfare system. A 3 year old is in no way a sexual being, so sexualising them and worse still allowing them to "self-identify" is a woeful inversion of order. Do you have children?
Ah, you fit keel pesin, what has a passing remark made by an innocent kid, nurtured in a loving and caring heterosexual family setting got to do with sexualising?

TV01:
Data shows that of teens that identify as homosexual, up to 90% identify as "straight" by the time the reach their 20's. Are you losing your grip on reality. Is a 3 year old a sexual being or to be treated as such cry.
I would love to proof of this data, but hey if according to that statistic, they outgrown, then what is the scaredy cat commotion and fuss all about then

TV01:
Why the attempt at a verbal sleight of hand? I have men I love. There is no romantic attraction or intimate physical relationship. We are friends or companions. What erotic intimacy between David and Jonathan occurred or is documented?
"I grieve over you, my brother Jonathan! You were very dear to me. Your love was more special to me than the love of women."
- 2 Samuel 1:26

I leave doing verbal sleight of hand to the professionals, like those, whose name and/or monikers we wont mention. I have just as you, men I love, but I am yet to find a man I love with a love deep, deeper than the love of women!

When I read verses like 2 Samuel 1:26 above, it reinforces my belief that, God surely is a mysterious God.

TV01:
I'm a boxer, after a tough fight with a valiant protagonist, you just want to hug and congratulate them. To appreciate their efforts in the war and their bravery. Likewise soldiers have a bond that is hard to describe. Even teammates in sport. Yet you woul dsully that and manhood as a whole by eroticising it and effectively ruining it for everyone. Rightly the affection is termed "vile" angry
I know you are pugilist. I know you do rofo-rofo too as well.

I've said it before, but will still repeat it here again. Victorious warriors, like myself, win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

I know a defeated warrior when I see one and as I know myself, also know my capabilities, I have no need, to fear the result of a hundred battles. TV01, I don't want blow my horn, but I am really excellently and better qualified than you, in putting the record straight in order to make the true facts known that having sexual feelings towards the same sex is not a sin and to tell the truth that God NEVER says Homosexuality is a sin, nor does God hate same sex couples, as in, God does not hate two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, mutually caring for each other, mutually respecting each other, mutually contributing to the well being of society and most importantly loving each other with a love that's until death do apart. They are two consenting adults that are not being promiscuous, so a good. They are two consenting adults, that are at peace with each other, with God and in truth, because their intentions are good and their hearts are pure, which also is another good thing.

TV01:
It doesn't need to be. There is nothing in scripture to predicate it on. Nothing in scripture to parse ss behaviour as described above. Nothing in scripture in terms of a shadow, pattern, or a type. The very act of ss intimacy is verboten.

TV
On the contrary, there are subtle references that parse ss behaviour as described above and in my purview

Brother, nwanne, that it is verboten, is a fabrication and make believe
1/ Where is and was it forbidden?
2/ What exactly and/or specifically was forbidden, hmm?
3/ Why and for what reasons was it forbidden?
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 3:44pm On Jun 12
Shepherd00:
Wow, I have never come by anyone like you Muttleylaff. You have no shred of shame.
Why Haven't you mentioned one faithful, kind, caring, loving, long term committed same sex couple in the Bible. Why does anytime homosexuality is mentioned death accompanies it? You can't answer yet you keep shouting faithful, kind, caring, loving, long term committed same sex relationship
Go over my lenghty 3-page long post Shepherd00, you will read me hinting about them

Shepherd00:
Abraham became soft in the head and succumbed to his wives advice instead of what God said, a flaw. it was mentioned.

Onan, had sex with Tamar, his brother's widow because the children will not bare his name, he spilled the Seed, and got killed for it. It was mentioned.

Samson had sex with a prostitute, it was mentioned.

Judah had sex with Tamar, who had dressed like a prostitute, it was mentioned.

David committed adultery and killed an innocent man, it was mentioned.

Amnon, King David's son, had sex with his half sister. It was mentioned.

The Bible records everything, good or bad.

But I am yet to read where any of God's people was in a faithful, kind, caring, loving, long term committed same sex homosexual relationship. Why is that MuttleyLaff?

Pls am i missing it in the Bible? Pls help me.
You are, you have. I advised you to bookmark that my lenghty 3-page long post Shepherd00, to read it during lunch breaks or something, quietly and thoughtfully but would you, had you. Nah. I remember that, I even, on top, warned you over drinking too much strong coffee, as I noticed, it makes you become excessively hasty, impetuous and highly strung.

PS: Please do you mind Shepherd00. I have TV01 to take on. Just be watching TV01 and I, all your questions, concerns, questions you want asked, will be treated and addressed in my interaction and discussions with him
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 4:11pm On Jun 12
MuttleyLaff:

Go over my lenghty 3-page long post Shepherd00, you will read me hinting about them
I'd ve to ward through that maze just to get a verse of the Bible you could just post here? Is this a ploy to dodge questions?

MuttleyLaff, if you want to convince people that even one single couple in the Bible was homosexual, pls post here where it won't be difficult for people to see.

MuttleyLaff:


You are, you have.
I am what? And, I have what?
MuttleyLaff:

I advised you to bookmark that my lenghty 3-page long post Shepherd00, to read it during lunch breaks or something, quietly and thoughtfully but would you, had you. Nah. I remember that, I even, on top, warned you over drinking too much strong coffee, as I noticed, it makes you become excessively hasty, impetuous and highly strung.
And I remember begging you and you accepting to react to my post separately from others. Why didn't you do it? Oh wait, you plan to keep boasting abt me not responding to you when I don't read your verbose post right?

This post is short and precise, so post the scriptures here let people see.

MuttleyLaff:

PS: Please do you mind Shepherd00. I have TV01 to take on.
In other words, we are too much for you to handle? You are completely swamped abi?

Okay, let me allow TV01 to continue wiping the floor with your ass.
And bro TV01, pls add this to the questions you'd ask MuttleyLaff.

"mentioned one faithful, kind, caring, loving, long term committed same sex couple in the Bible".

MuttleyLaff:

Just be watching TV01 and I, all your questions, concerns, questions you want to asked, will be treated and addressed in my interaction and discussions with him
Oh, it's a delight to watch him clean the floor with you.

And, keep your stupid posts short.
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 4:40pm On Jun 12
Shepherd00:
I'd ve to ward through that maze just to get a verse of the Bible you could just post here? Is this a ploy to dodge questions?

MuttleyLaff, if you want to convince people that even one single couple in the Bible was homosexual, pls post here where it won't be difficult for people to see.


I am what? And, I have what?

And I remember begging you and you accepting to react to my post separately from others. Why didn't you do it? Oh wait, you plan to keep boasting abt me not responding to you when I don't read your verbose post right?

This post is short and precise, so post the scriptures here let people see.

In other words, we are too much for you to handle? You are completely swamped abi?

Okay, let me allow TV01 to continue wiping the floor with your ass.
And bro TV01, pls add this to the questions you'd ask MuttleyLaff.

"mentioned one faithful, kind, caring, loving, long term committed same sex couple in the Bible".

Oh, it's a delight to watch him clean the floor with you.

And, keep your stupid posts short.

Shepherd00, you still don't appreciate and realise the reason why I opened this thread. The first word beginning the title subject head is a dead giveaway.

I am not here to convince people that homosexuals were in the Bible, when the evidence is in there stark nayked. As I said, I hinted in my lengthy 3-pageclong post about evidence of faithful, kind, caring, loving, long term committed same sex couple in the Bible. Too bad, you dont take to long write ups.

100 of you aren't too much for me to handle, it's just that, there are four important outstanding post of TV01, I love to address as quickly as possible, as it will open the thread up further, make it more openly and give it meaningful traction or mileage. When I am levelled with responding to TV01, you then can jump back in

My primary concern aim and object is to uncover the lies perpetrated and reveal the changed word meanings, that have been used to demonise genuine and truthful SSA persons.

Everyone except you knows this isn't a sprint thread. You just want to start running and leaping about without even trying to learn about crawling first. It's OK ooo
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 4:56pm On Jun 12
MuttleyLaff:
You want me to reinvent the wheel. I know who has poisoned your mind about anyone liking post. Some just dont accept and give up

Your distraction posts, I had to in sequence respond to, obviously isnt letting me get to the real post that contended with my lengthy 3-part long post

Of course, you will say that. What was "inappropriate about shadeyinka's poser" was him asking me a question, that I had already addressed in my lengthy 3-part long post. I even provided a URL link and sign posted him so he can get informed. He threw it back in my face, and unashamedly told me in no uncertain terms that reading lengthy content isnt his thing. He also made irreverent remarks about my lengthy 3-part long post. He asked a non question, but didnt like being told he did.

Just know that when you do, you will be met with a robust face off

Time is a snitch. Time will tell, time will surely in time show and tell, who has been taking biblical text out of context, will tell who has been interpreting under pretext. Dont worry, I'll expose you when I get round to responding to those your four outstanding posts, I havent replied to yet

You dont want to accept that marriage is beyond sexuality, that is part of your problem

The Bible teaches abstinence in whatever shape or form

MuttleyLaff did you just say David, the man after God's heart was in a homosexual relationship with Jonathan?

I need you to say it categorically clear.

This is what the homosexuals say to justify their sin. The next line I expect to hear you say is 'Jesus was in a homosexual relationship with John the Beloved for that line follows this one. You'll get there las las.

God thank you for this thread, the AntiChrist in MuttleyLaff is emerging.

You have hidden long enough in the fold.
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 5:24pm On Jun 12
Shepherd00:
MuttleyLaff did you just say David, the man after God's heart was in a homosexual relationship with Jonathan?

I need you to say it categorically clear.

This is what the homosexuals say to justify their sin. The next line I expect to hear you say is 'Jesus was in a homosexual relationship with John the Beloved for that line follows this one. You'll get there las las.

God thank you for this thread, the AntiChrist in MuttleyLaff is emerging.

You have hidden long enough in the fold.
I never said he was nor said he wasnt. He could have being bisexual, he might be bisexual, but I don't know, as I haven't any proof.

You are everyday increasingly becoming and behaving like a Pharisee, trying to entrap and trip up people, changing and twisting what a person says and all that nonsense

Your phobia of homosexuals is becoming of you. I wonder how you'll feel and/or behave, if one homosexual, happened to be your Dad, Mum, Granpa, Grandma, Aunt, Uncle, Niece, Nephew, Cousin, Work Colleague, Friend, Daughter or Son, hmm?
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 5:30pm On Jun 12
MuttleyLaff:

I leave doing verbal sleight of hand to the professionals, like those, whose name and/or monikers we wont mention

Apparently scared of mentioning the 'moniker' in order not to have his shattered ego be finally torn into shreds!

MuttleyLaff:

" I grieve over you, my brother Jonathan! You were very dear to me. Your love was more special to me than the love of women. "
- 2 Samuel 1:26


I have just as you, men I love, but I am yet to find a man I love with a love deep, deeper than the love of women!
When I read verses like 2 Samuel 1:26 above, it reinforces my belief that, God surely is a mysterious God.
grin

O my dear brother Jonathan,
I’m crushed by your death.
Your friendship was a miracle-wonder,
love far exceeding anything I’ve known—
or ever hope to know.
2 Samuel 1:26(The Message)

Now I know the "content is king and context is king maker" balderdash was just a ploy used by the OP to discountenance other scriptures made by other participants!
Why did you not seek the Hebrew interpretation of that verse just like you did to others?
Who now is doing the cherry picking?


There are some bonds which involve brothers that go beyond a 'woman's love'!
At least,many who have close friends or brothers have had such bond!
But this had nothing to do with sexual attachment or even a single hint of arousal!

Thank God uncle dave didn't label jona as "my love"!
Oga muttley would have pounced on it like a wild hyena grin

Certainly,this was nothing but brotherly love for Jonathan which had absolutely nothing to do with the love felt for a woman which is mostly romantic!

However,the OP is using that scripture as a base to reinforce his shaky and falling stance that uncle Dave and uncle jona had a sexual encounter!

Just like someone rightly replied,all the sex trails done in OT was recorded and none said any hint about God's acceptance of SS union!

lastly,its totally wrong to hoist a scripture to substantiate a claim like that...

Even,Mr Muttley know all too well that....
"No scripture is of private interpretation"
(2 peter 1:20)


One thing I have noticed about you OP,
Every time you react to others,you keep exposing who you really are....it won't be long before you dump the faith like some that i had great respect for on nairaland!
I pray that this won't be the case!
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 6:11pm On Jun 12
MuttleyLaff:
Shepherd00, you still don't appreciate and realise the reason why I opened this thread. The first word beginning the title subject head is a dead giveaway.

I am not here to convince people that homosexuals were in the Bible, when the evidence is in there stark nayked. As I said, I hinted in my lengthy 3-pageclong post about evidence of faithful, kind, caring, loving, long term committed same sex couple in the Bible. Too bad, you dont take to long write ups.

100 of you aren't too much for me to handle, it's just that, there are four important outstanding post of TV01, I love to address as quickly as possible, as it will open the thread up further, make it more openly and give it meaningful traction or mileage. When I am levelled with responding to TV01, you then can jump back in

My primary concern aim and object is to uncover the lies perpetrated and reveal the changed word meanings, that have been used to deNazamonise genuine and truthful SSA persons.

Everyone except you knows this isn't a sprint thread. You just want to start running and leaping about without even trying to learn about crawling first. It's OK ooo
Oga try oo. Very soon you'd say Jesus Christ of Nazareth was in a homosexual relationship with John since it is said that He loved him and he (John) reclined at the Bossom of the Lord.

Gradually, you are going to play the homosexual's last Card, by calling Jesus Christ homosexual. I'm waiting...
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 8:04pm On Jun 12
openmine:


Apparently scared of mentioning the 'moniker' in order not to have his shattered ego be finally torn into shreds!


grin



Now I know the "content is king and context is king maker" balderdash was just a ploy used by the OP to discountenance other scriptures made by other participants!
Why did you not seek the Hebrew interpretation of that verse just like you did to others?
Who now is doing the cherry picking?


There are some bonds which involve brothers that go beyond a 'woman's love'!
At least,many who have close friends or brothers have had such bond!
But this had nothing to do with sexual attachment or even a single hint of arousal!

Thank God uncle dave didn't label jona as "my love"!
Oga muttley would have pounced on it like a wild hyena grin

Certainly,this was nothing but brotherly love for Jonathan which had absolutely nothing to do with the love felt for a woman which is mostly romantic!

However,the OP is using that scripture as a base to reinforce his shaky and falling stance that uncle Dave and uncle jona had a sexual encounter!

Just like someone rightly replied,all the sex trails done in OT was recorded and none said any hint about God's acceptance of SS union!

lastly,its totally wrong to hoist a scripture to substantiate a claim like that...

Even,Mr Muttley know all too well that....
"No scripture is of private interpretation"
(2 peter 1:20)


One thing I have noticed about you OP,
Every time you react to others,you keep exposing who you really are....it won't be long before you dump the faith like some that i had great respect for on nairaland!
I pray that this won't be the case!



I fear that may be the case down the line.

That is how these people hide in the fold only to spring up later to say God does not exist.

I'm shocked to see MuttleyLaff say David and Jonathan were in a homosexual relationship.

You know, he hinted once that Jacob and his son Joseph kissed and Apst Paul admonished us his brethren to kiss one another so it is the same thing as homosexuals kissing themselves. I almost fell off my chair with shock.

See how MuttleyLaff dey falsify Scriptures just to make himself okay with his preference?

Reading this guy here I pick hints that this guy is an agent of N.W.O.
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 8:14pm On Jun 12
Shepherd00:

I fear that may be the case down the line.

That is how these people hide in the fold only to spring up later to say God does not exist.

I'm shocked to see MuttleyLaff say David and Jonathan were in a homosexual relationship.

You know, he hinted once that Jacob and his son Joseph kissed and Apst Paul admonished us his brethren to kiss one another so it is the same thing as homosexuals kissing themselves. I almost fell off my chair with shock.

See how MuttleyLaff dey falsify Scriptures just to make himself okay with his preference?

Reading this guy here I pick hints that this guy is an agent of N.W.O.
What
Jesus wept!
shocked shocked shocked shocked

Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 8:16pm On Jun 12
openmine:

What
shocked shocked shocked shocked

I can search out the post and repost it here o.

I'll be back.

Here it is:
I said:
"I watched empire I saw Jamal and his men, I see them kiss themselves and I wonder if they are humans. It is sickening to say the least."


MuttleyLaff said;

Then Joseph fell on his father's face, and wept over him and kissed him. "
- Genesis 50:1
" Greet one another with a kiss of love Peace be to you all who are in Christ "
- 1 Peter 5:14
" All the brethren greet you. Greet one another with a holy kiss. "
- 1 Corinthians 16:20
I tell you, you're more confused than a chameleon dropped into a bag of skittles. C'mon, it is to you unhuman, for men to kiss each other now, hmm? SMH. Please tell what sign did Judas give to betray Jesus, huh?

He even said Judas kissed Jesus like homosexuals kiss themselves.
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 8:38pm On Jun 12
Shepherd00:

I can search out the post and repost it here o.

I'll be back.

Here it is:
I said:
"I watched empire I say Jamal and his men, I see them kiss themselves and I wonder if they are humans. It is sickening to say the least."


MuttleyLaff said;

Then Joseph fell on his father's face, and wept over him and kissed him. "
- Genesis 50:1
" Greet one another with a kiss of love Peace be to you all who are in Christ "
- 1 Peter 5:14
" All the brethren greet you. Greet one another with a holy kiss. "
- 1 Corinthians 16:20
I tell you, you're more confused than a chameleon dropped into a bag of skittles. C'mon, it is to you unhuman, for men to kiss each other now, hmm? SMH. Please tell what sign did Judas give to betray Jesus, huh?

He even said Judas killed Jesus like homosexuals kiss themselves.
shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked
He is even worse than i thought....
Nevertheless,no human is perfect or above correction!
Lets pray for him! smiley smiley
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 9:13pm On Jun 12
MuttleyLaff:

I never said he was nor said he wasnt. He could ha being bisexual, he might be bisexual, but I don't know, as I haven't any proof.
What is your motive of posting it here since you have no proof?

Oh I understand MuttleyLaff. I badgered you into this. I wouldn't stop demanding that you provide one homo-couple in the Bible, so you went for this. Oh, dear MuttleyLaff. This is desperation.

MuttleyLaff:

You are everyday increasingly becoming and behaving like a Pharisee, trying to entrap and trip up people, changing and twisting what a person says and all that nonsense
I did not trip or twist anything o. You brought up David and Jonathan in a thread where you are asked to present Scriptural references that backs your homo-couple campaign, how am I entrapping you here?
I only needed you to be clear and stop muddying the water.

So pls be clear, WHY DID YOU BRING UP DAVID AND JONATHAN IF YOU DIDN'T MEAN TO USE THEM AS A REFERENCE TO YOUR HOMO-COUPLE?
MuttleyLaff:

Your phobia of homosexuals is becoming of you. I wonder how you'll feel and/or behave, if one homosexual, happened to be your Dad, Mum, Granpa, Grandma
What the Hell is wrong with you Muttleylaff?
If my Mum, Dad, Grand PA, Grand Ma were gay, I won't be born. You forget say homosexuals no dey born pikins?

MuttleyLaff:

Aunt, Uncle, Niece, Nephew, Cousin, Work Colleague, Friend, Daughter or Son, hmm?
t
My Aunt, Uncle, Niece, Nephew, or cousin cannot
become homosexuals because, there's no history of idol worship in my family. Or, have you forgotten that this spirit possesses people who are exposed and are connected to it?

Besides, if any of them becomes so ungodly as to enlist in Satan's army by taking up his sexual identity, i'll not fail to tell them what the Bible says, and the risk they take if Judgement day meets them unrepentant then leave them to their God.

I will no fail to pray for them to repent as I now pray for my yet-to-repent Aunts, Uncles, Nieces, Nephews, cousins and friends.
Muttleythem Laff:



[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=79267611]
Work Colleague,
Weytin be my bizness with my work Colleague's sex life?
Na wen him try joined me inside rest room, come dey even luk to see my ..., na dia wey him go know say Kaki no be leather. Nonsense and ingredient. �
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 9:17pm On Jun 12
openmine:

shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked
He is even worse than i thought....
Nevertheless,no human is perfect or above correction!
Lets pray for him! smiley smiley
The guy has laid low inside the church pretending to be a Christian in Nairaland until now.

Just like Freeze was asked if he was indeed a Christian, TV01 asked MuttleyLaff, you needed to see acrobatic wey MuttleyLaff spin. Him run 4/40. Till today, him never answer TV only to come open this thread and never mention that question.
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 9:28pm On Jun 12
Shepherd00:

The guy has laid low inside the church pretending to be a Christian in Nairaland until now.

Just like Freeze was asked if he was indeed a Christian, TV01 asked MuttleyLaff, you needed to see acrobatic wey MuttleyLaff spin. Him run 4/40. Till today, him never answer TV only to come open this thread and never mention that question.
Still....let's pray for him!
He is not the enemy!
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 10:08pm On Jun 12
openmine:
Still....let's pray for him! He is not the enemy!
And so we pray down the hand of Jehovah upon him.
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 10:39pm On Jun 12
Shepherd00:

And so we pray down the hand of Jehovah upon him.
smiley smiley
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 8:49am On Jun 13
TV01:
I will respond in “themes” to what is a mish-mash of assertions, half-truths and outright lies sauced with lashing of emotional appeal. It really is a steaming hot mess and almost sullies one to give it attention, but having started, I will - by His grace – see it through.
"Ai tete mu ole, ole nmu oloko" loosely translate means "when you don shout thief at a robber, the robber will pull a fast one and start calling you the owner, thief". Nice try.

TV01:
First the anecdotal cum appeal to emotion ploy;
It's a true life story, a mum recounting a seemingly passing incident with her then 3 year old boy

TV01:
MuttleyLaffs emotional appeal via this scripted homily about a 3 year old identifying as “gay”, is TBH quite pathetic – and unlikely to be true. But whether it is or not, is it scripture? Do we re-base our whole scriptural understanding or moral framework, due to a sob-story?
Why TV01, do you have so much hate in you like this, erh? It's just like how Joseph had a dream and he told the dream to his brothers , but they hated him all the more than they already hate him. I shared a story to highlight a connection of how someone subconsciously display SSA from birth, but because of your hatred, you vindictively rubbished the story, ridiculed it and dismised it off as probably untrue. Why so hate-filled over the narrated story

TV01:
How does a 3 year old grasp matters of sexual function/expression? The developmental pathway for sexuality has not fully kicked in, the hormones are not yet circulating, yet his family agreed with a self-diagnosed “gayness” at 3 years old. Where were social services? undecided
The 3 year old, didnt grasp the gravity of what he said then. Even now, as a grown man, he doesnt anyway recollect that incident, it is his Mum who does. She brought up and narrated the story after retrospectively thinking of her son and the incident. She on hindsight understand from what happened on that day, that her son was born from the womb to be who he is. The telling signs were there to show this

TV01:
Second, the “follow-on” assertion, typically following a reading of scripture

Here MuttlryLaff, presents scripture relating to The Lords mentioning of Eunuchs. All well and good. Then, without breaking stride, asserts that what applies to eunuchs also applies to “gayness”. Without any evidence or an explanatory prologue .
The assertion I made was that some people are born from the womb to be the way, they are. Some are natural eunuchs, just as as some are natural or genuine homosexuals/lesbians, they are natural born SSA persons.

TV01:
Not only is this not attested to by scripture, as I’ve previously stated, science does not affirm this assertion. And even if science did, it would not mean it was any less a sin.
Nwanne brother, science is always doing catching up and if not changing or moving the goal post, but at least its got it right with epigenetics, we'll get it that

TV01:
Even if SSA is natal, it does not mean it is a good thing. Most men are born with the desire to sow their seed as widely as possible, does that make the urge holy?
SSA, is a good thing, if done with mutual love, if not cheating, if not sleeping around, if not sowing seed, just as you put it, that most men, who as far as I am concerned are disgraceful, desire to sow their seed as widely as possible.

You cant compare or equate the urge of SSA people in a romantic faithful, mutual loving, caring, kind, till death do part relationship with a philandering Lothario, Casanova or Don Juan kẹ. See me, see gobe. TV01, please dont even go there with that angle, nice try but just dont try it again.

TV01:
MuttlleyLaff is attempting to employ scripture about men not having sex to prove that scripture affirms same-sex activity. Laughable but criminally so shocked!
When will you stop being shifty TV01, hmm? You know very well that, in that scripture, Jesus mentioned eunuchs in the context of whether it is good to marry or not marry. He identified three types of eunuchs, namely, the natural eunuchs (i.e. "born that way"wink, the forced eunuchs (i.e. "made eunuchs by others), and the voluntary eunuchs ("those who by themselves chose to be eunuch"wink.

TV01, the first class of eunuchs, Jesus mentioned are those "so born from their mother's womb", these kind of people did not make a personal choice to be eunuchs, they are just plain and simple eunuchs, the same way, there are same sex attracted people born to feel or behave that way from the womb.

TV01, now, if we are both, to be honest and sincere, you would accept and agree with me that, the context of Matthew 19:12, had more to do with talking about divorce than eunuchs. By divine intervention, it descended to and ended up with talking about men who dont want to marry women (i.e. Matthew 19:10 - His disciples said to Him, "If this is the case between a man and his wife, it is better not to marry.")

It is a convenient happenstance, that eunuchs got introduced and mentioned, that way or manner because it had the opportunity to highlight a fact, that some wont and dont have the desire for women and it could be vice versa. The traditional interpretation of this scripture, that you've learnt, and one which you've also admitted to, is that Matthew 19:12, is speaking of voluntary celibacy (i.e. you TV01, wrote: "... scripture about men not having sex ..." when in fact, the finish and concluded part of the Matthew 19:12 scriptural teaching, came to an end with the words: "He that is able to receive it, let him receive it".

SSA person falls under the same category, of an eunuch born that way from the womb, so they can accept the "flaw", and at the same time, know their potential, to love. The love being in a two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, not inflicting pain, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour

TV01:
Third, claim to knowing the mind of God in a way that not only blasphemes God, but upends 2 thousand years of Christian orthodoxy (and implicates The Most High for allowing SSA people to suffer all this time)
I am sure you wont be that disingenuous, to say you dont know how long, it took God to come down to earth as a human being and to physically, for 33 years live among us. You just like behaving like a relentless person and you will keep on, always trying every and available single trick in your bag. Hmm, isnt that so?

TV01:
Here ML makes an assertion not following a reference to scripture, but one to God Himself (a kind of variation of #2). Asserting - “by extension” with no evidence or scriptura back-up - that because of God’s foreknowledge, therefore it was part of God’s plan and an actual element of God’s design?
Look at the anatomy of man naa, if there isnt evidence of God's foreknowledge, God’s plan and the actual element of God’s design naa.

TV01:
A behaviour the scripture shows as one that true believers will be delivered/washed from (1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10). A behaviour the scripture describes as against nature and contrary to function (Romans 1).
Puleeease, pack it in and jack away these lies and deceit you are advacing and perpetrating with 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10 and Romans 1.

TV01:
In that case MuttleyLaff, you are “by extension” claiming that the institution of marriage was designed for SS couples are you not. Although scripture fails to mention, foreshadow or present a positive archetype for relationships of this kind.
No, I was not and never did claim that the institution of marriage was designed for SS couples. Please dont saying scripture fails to mention, foreshadow or present a positive archetype for relationships of this kind, especially when there is evidence in scripture about it. Just say, you arent aware of it because that is what you've being made and led to believe

TV01:
If the above is true, then your notions of hetero and homo as distinct types given by God is true. Therefore, when the bible calls out sexual sins, it needn't make specific reference to homosexuality. Simply mentioning fornication and adultery would suffice.
Infidelity, cheating, straying, fornication, adultery, being unfaithful etcetera are behaviours not fitting or appropriate in a faithful loving human being relationship, whether hetero or homo.

TV01:
Your logic is incohenrent, our doctrine is not joined up and your reasoning is not end-to-end. You are a campaigner, an advocate, specifically a homosexualist. Which is why your arguments parallel those used by the world - homoweb miner grin.
You've become unfocused and over-sentimental. You're commenting out of line here, and not toeing the line, something if done by Shepherd00, I can relate with. He lets his emotions, get the better of him when making his comments.

TV01:
Still on Romans 1. Firstly, it is only from verse 18 that the tone turns to one of the unrighteousness and ungodliness of men. Then, the trajectory is clear.

1. God and His attributes can be clearly seen and understood – no excuses
2. Not only did men deny and rebel, they exchange His glory and truth
3. Therefore God gave them up -to uncleanness and lusts – leading to a dishonouring of their bodies
4. Leading inexorably to a exchange of the natural use of their sexual function for one that is against nature and dysfunctional (gayhomosex)!
5. That then moving to utterly erase God ffrom their consciousness leads to them being given over and filled with all unrighteousness
6. And the resulting judgement – if they don’t repent - will be on them and those who support them.

There is no mention, alignment or reference too, or with, ritual sex rites or temple prostitution. Unless of course one is given to baseless assertions. This is about the very thing verse 18 opens with – the wrath of God against “all” Ungodliness and unrighteousness – not just specific (and nowhere defined in this portion of scripture) temple or ritual sex sins.
I wish I had the luxury of time, to do justice to this but I havent, so will just give it a little stab here. I have previously mentioned to a certain degree how I wont be surprised, if you haven't misunderstood what Paul wrote and what Paul was saying in Romans Chapter 1, along with other texts like 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and so thereby wrongly say things Paul was not at all saying.

You've given in to the false appearance(s) from the genuine and the false impression, different to the true meaning of the text and words in Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and/or 1 Timothy 1:10. The truth about the text and words, in Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and/or 1 Timothy 1:10 have being exchanged and traded for a lie(s) that so are misleading the saints.

Do you want me to give and explain the true and original meanings of the words "malakoi"/"malakos" and "arsenokoites" Also inform you why "arsenokoites" is defined as sodomites. Hmm? You like banding about the word sodomite(s), I've noticed.

Are you aware that Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27, is a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, where at, Paul, is echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 was issued and is prevailing again in Paul's time, there in Rome. Hmm?

TV01:
Bonus
An abomination is something that makes a believer (ritually) unclean or defiled. Homosex or endorsing homosex will do that everytime. Either way, don't be fooled - be delivered, be washed.

TV
"17There shall be no LovePeddler of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel (i.e. No Israelite, man or woman, is to become a temple prostitute)
18Thou shalt not bring the hire of a LovePeddler, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God. (i.e. also, no money earned in this way may be brought into the house of the Lord your God in fulfillment of a vow. The Lord hates temple prostitutes.
)"
- Deuteronomy 23:17-18

Oh no, time no dey, time no dey. Sigh, somebori loves you up there TV01 and had your bacon saved. Dont worry, I'll be waiting for you round the corner. Argh, the thing dey pain me sha, say I nefa get time reach bust your jargons TV01 that you are spewing. Sighed again. Anyway, that Deuteronomy 23:17-18 scripture above, I'll just leave there, begin dey stare at am. I'll bring it up in latter posts, I am quite sure of that

I've got to pause here for now. Three more outstanding post of yours to respond to. Work is calling and I am already late stepping out
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 9:23am On Jun 13
@MuttleyLaff. You really try to make Scriptures say what they are not.

I only need ONE SINGLE scripture which hints that God ordained homosexuality in his grand scheme of things.

It's not enough to say 'God is not against it. Point to where He permits it.

Was it an Afterthought haven created Male and Female?

How did it enter into the Equation? It began with Male and Female, we didn't hear about any other pattern until later on in Sodom.

At what point in Biblically Chronological history was this sex pattern added?

Going by what you posted about David and Jonathan, are you saying every Man who loves a fellow male friend is in a homosex relationship?

It hasn't occurred to you that David and Jonathan's love for each other is the level of Love Jesus preaches for us to abide by?

I'm waiting for you to say that The Lord God Jesus was in a homosex relationship with John the Beloved becos Jesus loved him even more than David loved Jonathan.

Jesus loved John to a point of handing over the custody of his earthly mother to before His death.

Do you remember that Mary had other children? Grown ups who could care for their mother, but Jesus gave that right to John. Will you say Jesus did this because Him and John were having sex?

You can say it MuttleyLaff. The sites you mine your posts are riddled with this, so don't shy away from also saying it.


N.B.L. Pls direct my answers to me, not to any other moniker.

Peace
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 9:25am On Jun 13
Shepherd00:
I'd ve to ward through that maze just to get a verse of the Bible you could just post here? Is this a ploy to dodge questions?

MuttleyLaff, if you want to convince people that even one single couple in the Bible was homosexual, pls post here where it won't be difficult for people to see.

I am what? And, I have what?

And I remember begging you and you accepting to react to my post separately from others. Why didn't you do it? Oh wait, you plan to keep boasting abt me not responding to you when I don't read your verbose post right?

This post is short and precise, so post the scriptures here let people see.

In other words, we are too much for you to handle? You are completely swamped abi?

Okay, let me allow TV01 to continue wiping the floor with your ass.
And bro TV01, pls add this to the questions you'd ask MuttleyLaff.

"mentioned one faithful, kind, caring, loving, long term committed same sex couple in the Bible".

Oh, it's a delight to watch him clean the floor with you.

And, keep your stupid posts short.

Shepherd00:
@MuttleyLaff. You really try to make Scriptures say what they are not.

I only need ONE SINGLE scripture which hints that God ordained homosexuality in his grand scheme of things.

It's not enough to say 'God is not against it. Point to where He permits it.

Was it an Afterthought haven created Male and Female?

How did it enter into the Equation? It began with Male and Female, we didn't hear about any other pattern until later on in Sodom.

At what point in Biblically Chronological history was this sex pattern added?

Going by what you posted about David and Jonathan, are you saying every Man who loves a fellow male friend is in a homosex relationship?

It hasn't occurred to you that David and Jonathan's love for each other is the level of Love Jesus preaches for us to abide by?

I'm waiting for you to say that The Lord God Jesus was in a homosex relationship with John the Beloved becos Jesus loved him even more than David loved Jonathan.

Jesus loved John to a point of handing over the custody of his earthly mother to before His death.

Do you remember that Mary had other children? Grown ups who could care for their mother, but Jesus gave that right to John. Will you say Jesus did this because Him and John were having sex?

You can say it MuttleyLaff. The sites you mine your posts are riddled with this, so don't shy away from also saying it.

N.B.L. Pls direct my answers to me, not to any other moniker.

Peace
Shepherd00, pearls don't lie on the seashore. Pearls draw divers to plunge deep into the sea, and so if you want one, you then too must dive for it. Dont expect me to do the heavy liftings for you, get your own hands to work too. Dont expect me to put things on a platter of gold for you.

The truth(s) in the Bible are like pearls mixed in with a lot of worthless pebbles, so the onus rests on you to sift through a lot of stuff, pick things up, look at them and when you stumble on pearls, then dust them down, wipe and brush them until they bring out the shine, the luster, the sparkle and the light in them.

Now about short post. When the piercing needle of truth is hidden in a haystack of lies, it takes a long post to unravel through the haystack of lies to bring it out into the open. So my brother, extraordinary lies, requires extraordinary posts, not posts stupid posts kept short. Short posts hide a multitude of evil(s).

I am not a teacher, but an awakener. The ideas that have lighted my way, so far in life, have been kindness, beauty and truth, but I learn each day that people hate the truth

PS: Shepherd00 please, please stay away from strong coffee, I keep advising you
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 9:41am On Jun 13
MuttleyLaff:


Shepherd00, pearls don't lie on the seashore. Pearls draw divers to plunge deep into the sea, and so if you want one, you then too must dive for it. Dont expect me to do the heavy liftings for you, get your own hands to work too. Dont expect me to put things on a platter of gold for you.

The truth(s) in the Bible are like pearls mixed in with a lot of worthless pebbles, so the onus rests on you to sift through a lot of stuff, pick things up, look at them and when you stumble on pearls, then dust them down, wipe and brush them until they bring out the shine, the luster, the sparkle and the light in them.


Now about short post. When the piercing needle of truth is hidden in a haystack of lies, it takes a long post to unravel through the haystack of lies to bring it out into the open. So my brother, extraordinary lies, requires extraordinary posts, not posts stupid posts kept short. Short posts hide a multitude of evil(s).

The ideas that have lighted my way, so far in life, have been kindness, beauty and truth, but I learn each day that people hate the truth
Hmmm. You haven't realized that you are the lair here?

And, your long post is not the Bible. Again, the Bible is straight and direct. It does not rigmarole trying to dishonestly present half truths.

Muttley, So far with my discussions here, does it appear to you like I don't read my Bible deeply?
Dat one consen you.

MuttleyLaff. Which kind of homosexuality does God permits? Where can we find it in Scripture?

I asked you for a couple which engaged in it, you threw in David and Jonathan, yet said you were not sure as you had no proof.

How come all the Patriarchs no one was homo?

Why was it always mentioned in the negative and death accompanies it.

Instead of answering straight questions, you hide behind many big words or try to twist scriptures.

God hates Temple Prostitution, He also hates Sodomy, but you try by all means to make it only about Temple Prostitution.

I asked you, if God hates homosexuality which is done in Pagan Temples, which type does He like and who did it?
I'm still waiting.
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 9:58am On Jun 13
Shepherd00:
Hmmm. You haven't realized that you are the lair here?
And, your long post is not the Bible. Again, the Bible is straight and direct. It does not rigmarole trying to dishonestly present half truths.

Muttley, So far with my discussions here, does it appear to you like I don't read my Bible deeply?
Dat one consen you.

MuttleyLaff. Which kind of homosexuality does God permits? Where can we find it in Scripture?

I asked you for a couple which engaged in it, you threw in David and Jonathan, yet said you were not sure as you had no proof.

How come all the Patriarchs no one was homo?

Why was it always mentioned in the negative and death accompanies it.

Instead of answering straight questions, you hide behind many big words or try to twist scriptures.

God hates Temple Prostitution, He also hates Sodomy, but you try by all means to make it only about Temple Prostitution.

I asked you, if God hates homosexuality which is done in Pagan Temples, which type does He like and who did it?
I'm still waiting.
Do you know any of the patriarchs that drove a car or flew in a plane? See, you do sometimes ask absurd questions, even when evidences are already in the bible or hintly already given by me

Ask TV01 which types, he knows which type from my purview, "f God hates homosexuality which is done in Pagan Temples, which type does He like and who did it?"

You keep being unnecesaarily touchy, jumpy and highly strung. There is nothing I hint about that you dont come back asking or querying me about it. If I tell you that a SSA was highly praised above all in Israel by Jesus, you would start jumping up and down with ax clung to your head shout blue murder, that MuttleyLaff has come again. Though we both are on the same train, we dey different coach and are at different levels Shepherd00. I understand that, and so at suitable or proper times, will oblige you. Peele, ndo.
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 10:03am On Jun 13
@MuttleyLaff, read the scriptures you posted again.

17 There shall be no LovePeddler of the daughters of Israel,
God hates Prostitution and says his daughters shd not do it. Does he still hate it? YES.

nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel (i.e. No Israelite, man or woman, is to become a temple prostitute )
MuttleyLaff, the Word is clear and explicit here. Stop twisting it.
It say 'Nor a Sodomite'.

1. No sodomite of the 'sons of Israel'. It has mentioned daughters, then now sons. but, You added (i.e. sons and daughters).

Sir, even the Blind man reading with brails will see that this has nothing to do with Temple Prostitution.
They are outlined things God hates, so we are asked not to engage in.

18 Thou shalt not bring the hire of a LovePeddler,
What this means is, Ladies, Do not have sex with men for money and then bring the money as offering to Church

or the price of a dog , into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow:

Don't sell a dog and bring the money as an offering to Church.

for even both [b]these (plural), are
abomination unto the LORD thy God. (i.e. also, no money earned in this way may be brought into the house of the Lord your God in fulfillment of a vow.[/b]
The Lord hates temple prostitutes. )"
- Deuteronomy 23:17-18

MuttleyLaff, Issues are raised here which are outside Temple Prostitution, why did you conclude with (The Lord hates Temple Prostitution?)

I didn't even see where Temple Prostitution is mentioned here. Or do you mean to imply that all mentioned abominations here are Temple Prostitution?

Everything mentioned above God hates, including Sodomy. The act is not excused because there are also other abominations. Anyone who engages in any of the above commits abomination.


BIG QUESTION MUTTLEYLAFF.

Why does Sodomy alone earns death sentence?

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 10:23am On Jun 13
Shepherd00:
@MuttleyLaff, read the scriptures you posted again.

17 There shall be no LovePeddler of the daughters of Israel,
God hates Prostitution and says his daughters shd not do it. Does he still hate it? YES.

nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel (i.e. No Israelite, man or woman, is to become a temple prostitute )
MuttleyLaff, the Word is clear and explicit here. Stop twisting it.
It say 'Nor a Sodomite'.

1. No sodomite of the 'sons of Israel'. It has mentioned daughters, then now sons. but, You added (i.e. sons and daughters).

Sir, even the Blind man reading with brails will see that this has nothing to do with Temple Prostitution.
They are outlined things God hates, so we are asked not to engage in.

18 Thou shalt not bring the hire of a LovePeddler,
What this means is, Ladies, Do not have sex with men for money and then bring the money as offering to Church

or the price of a dog , into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow:

Don't sell a dog and bring the money as an offering to Church.

for even both [b]these (plural), are
abomination unto the LORD thy God. (i.e. also, no money earned in this way may be brought into the house of the Lord your God in fulfillment of a vow.[/b]
The Lord hates temple prostitutes. )"
- Deuteronomy 23:17-18

MuttleyLaff, Issues are raised here which are outside Temple Prostitution, why did you conclude with (The Lord hates Temple Prostitution?)

I didn't even see where Temple Prostitution is mentioned here. Or do you mean to imply that all mentioned abominations here are Temple Prostitution?

Everything mentioned above God hates, including Sodomy. The act is not excused because there are also other abominations. Anyone who engages in any of the above commits abomination.


BIG QUESTION MUTTLEYLAFF.

Why does Sodomy alone earns death sentence?
https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult/12#79283442
Did you at all read my comment in the above link, hmm?
Do you know who originally from the real meaning, before it got changed to homosexual, is a sodomite Shepherd00?
Oh deng, I forgot you find long post a challenge to read. Oh well.

It isnt Sodomy alone that earns a death sentence. Shows how deficient you are in bible.

Please, stop asking me questions, I have already explicitly given you the answer to. Thank you. You just enjoy spamming the thread with your non depth distractions etcetera and so putting others like Ranchhoddas off.

When I ask you lot questions, I get the silence treatment, you lot scurry off and go AWOL schtum on me
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 10:52am On Jun 13
MuttleyLaff:

Do you know any of the patriarchs that drove a car or flew in a plane?
No. But I see Patriarchs who engaged in what was prevalent in their contemporary world. There were no planes or Cars, Abraham wld have had Many. Jacob wld ve had many. Job wld have had many. David wld've had a fleet. Solomon wld've owned an Aircraft company.

But see men who had Gold and Silver, and Servants, Camels in hundreds of thousands. Sheep uncountable. Horses which are counted as E pensive Cars today.
I see Patriarchs who got married to women and had children who had children who brought posterity to this generation.

I see men who were farmers because farming then was their Banking industries, their Telecommunication Conglomerates, their Hospitality Businesses. Everything was in their Farming business.

And, I also see men who Homosexuality was very much present with them in their time but none of them engaged in it. Why MuttleyLaff?

MuttleyLaff:

See, you do sometimes ask absurd questions, even when evidences are already in the bible or hintly already given by me
What is absurd about my questions? The answers you claim are in the Bible are not what you are trying to make them seem.

Homosexuality is as old as Man on earth, Why? because satan is older than Man on earth. But, these Patriarchs lived through all these in the midst of men who practiced this act, yet didn't get involved, Why? That is my question. So what is the absurdity it this?

MuttleyLaff:

Ask TV01 which types, he knows which type from my purview, does He like and who did it
TV01 has never said there were types of homosexualities, you did, why are you directing me to him? You have no answer abi?

MuttleyLaff:

You keep being unnecesaarily touchy, jumpy and highly strung.
Does my being touchy, jumpy and highly strung preventing you from posting requested scriptures? Forget about me and present facts that you promised me. Have you forgotten you boasted and said you'd shut me up with facts?

MuttleyLaff:

There is nothing I hint about that you dont come back asking or querying me about it.
That is because your hints are a hot pot of poo.
I mentioned Jamal kissing his gay lovers, You hinted that Joseph kissed his father Jacob, in other words, they were in a homosex relationship.

You hinted that Apst Paul admonished us to kiss the brethren. You implied that we the Christian male brethren are in a homosex relationship.

You hinted that David loved Jonathan, you implied that they were in homosex relationship.

Which other hint did you give which is actually what it is?

MuttleyLaff:

If I tell you that a SSA was highly praised above all in Israel by Jesus, you would start jumping up and down with ax clung to your head shout blue murder, that MuttleyLaff has come again.
No nah. Why will I do that when you'd present proof?

If Jesus praised homosexuals and their sex pattern above Hetero-sex, you'd present facts nah. No be for mouth.

You said a Gay man built churches or a Church for the Israelites, and I said, verifiable proof? You told me to go get the proof myself. What kind of a person makes assertions yet demands that someone else provides proof?

MuttleyLaff:

Though we both are on the same train, we dey different coach and are at different levels Shepherd00.
Yes, MuttleyLaff. I quite agree with you on this. For long ago, Apst Paul wrote about this when he said;

For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

Acts 20:29-30.
So, yes, we are in the same train but definitely not in the same Coach.

Here it is said about you;

CEV Romans 1:32 They know God has said that anyone who acts this way deserves to die. But they keep on doing evil things, and they even encourage others to do them.

MuttleyLaff:

I understand that, and so at suitable or proper times, will oblige you. Peele, ndo.
Lol. I don't need you to oblige me, just present the facts for the world to see.

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 11:21am On Jun 13
MuttleyLaff:

b]https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult/12#79283442[/b]
Did you at all read my comment in the above link, hmm?
We agreed my responses will be directed to me, but you, being a trucebreaker, jumbled your response to me into a verbosely rigmarole. I told you I won't read for that reason.

MuttleyLaff:

Do you know who originally from the real meaning, before it got changed to homosexual, is a sodomite Shepherd00?
Should we now leave the Act and what the Lord says about it to talk about the name and who coined it or changed it?
The real meaning is Men having sex with men. Call it whatever, the meaning will not change.

MuttleyLaff:

Oh deng, I forgot you find long post a challenge to read. Oh well.
It wasn't becos I couldn't actually read it, but I chose not to, because we had agreed on something, but you went off doing the other.
Am I not reacting to all your posts here?

MuttleyLaff:

It isnt Sodomy alone that earns a death sentence. Shows how deficient you are in bible.
Oh, does Prostitution earns a death sentence? Or selling dogs and offering the money in church?

MuttleyLaff:

Please, stop asking me questions, I have already explicitly given you the answer to.
You mean the answers you gave by saying David loved Jonathan or that Joseph kissed his father?
Or that every abomination in Leviticus is tight to Temple Prostitution? Which answers did you give?

I asked you the type of Homosexuality that is approved of God and done properly outside of the the type done in Pagan Temples, you said I shd ask TV.
I asked why no Patriarch practiced homosex, you asked if the Patriarchs drove cars or flew in Aircrafts.

These are your answers?
U fit shame small? just try shame small nah.

MuttleyLaff:

Thank you. You just enjoy spamming the thread with your non depth distractions etcetera and so putting others like Ranchhoddas off.
Lol. You are here to impress Ranchhodas and his ilk abi? I hope you remember he is an atheist? This concerns godliness not godlessness, so go on looking for who will clap for you. I don't give two hoots about any God hater.
I will be on you until you present what you promised me in other threads.
MuttleyLaff:

When I ask you lot questions, I get the silence treatment, you lot scurry off and go AWOL schtum on me
Point me to those questions pls. Just go there and mention me.

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 11:39am On Jun 13
Shepherd00:
No. But I see Patriarchs who engaged in what was prevalent in their contemporary world. There were no planes or Cars, Abraham wld have had Many. Jacob wld ve had many. Job wld have had many. David wld've had a fleet. Solomon wld've owned an Aircraft company
Did you read, that in the Bible, that there were no planes, cars etcetera, hmm Shepherd00? You see, I too, know how to play, ask the absurd/unreasonable questions game Shepherd00, just putting that out.

Shepherd00:
But see men who had Gold and Silver, and Servants, Camels in hundreds of thousands. Sheep uncountable. Horses which are counted as E pensive Cars today.
I see Patriarchs who got married to women and had children who had children who brought posterity to this generation.

I see men who were farmers because farming then was their Banking industries, their Telecommunication Conglomerates, their Hospitality Businesses. Everything was in their Farming business.

And, I also see men who Homosexuality was very much present with them in their time but none of them engaged in it. Why MuttleyLaff?
Yawns, because, one, SSA were the minority then, even as they still are today, which is less than 5% of the world population. Two, SSA, were inconsequential back then until God promised them in Isaiah and elsewhere that He will recompense them.

Shepherd00:
What is absurd about my questions? The answers you claim are in the Bible are not what you are trying to make them seem.
They are, you just don't like them asides that, you keep asking questions, I've already touched or answered.

Shepherd00:
Homosexuality is as old as Man on earth, Why? because satan is older than Man on earth. But, these Patriarchs lived through all these in the midst of men who practiced this act, yet didn't get involved, Why? That is my question. So what is the absurdity it this?
We thank God for His wisdom of permitting the narrative of David and Jonathan in the Bible

Shepherd00:
TV01 has never said there were types of homosexualities, you did, why are you directing me to him? You have no answer abi?
You are right he never made any distinctions and I never said he did. What I said is that TV01 know my homosexuality purview, so ask him

Shepherd00:
Does my being touchy, jumpy and highly strung preventing you from posting requested scriptures? Forget about me and present facts that you promised me. Have you forgotten you boasted and said you'd shut me up with facts?
The little subtle facts, so far advanced, are unsettling you Shepherd00. You aren't ready for the facts, you can't yet handle the facts, you'll go wobbly jelly so just sit back and be reading the commentary between TV01 and I.

Shepherd00:
That is because your hints are a hot pot of poo.
I mentioned Jamal kissing his gay lovers, You hinted that Joseph kissed his father Jacob, in other words, they were in a homosex relationship.

You hinted that Apst Paul admonished us to kiss the brethren. You implied that we the Christian male brethren are in a homosex relationship.

You hinted that David loved Jonathan, you implied that they were in homosex relationship.

Which other hint did you give which is actually what it is?
I am not surprised you are fibbing here, did you at all notice, a sudden and gradual increase in your nose, hmm?

I do correctly remember our interaction, where you advanced that it is unhuman for a man to kiss another man, so I kindly gave you examples of men kissing each other, like Judas kissing Jesus, Joseph kissed his father, Jacob and vice versa etcetera

Shepherd00:
No nah. Why will I do that when you'd present proof?

If Jesus praised homosexuals and their sex pattern above Hetero-sex, you'd present facts nah. No be for mouth.
I've told you already about your deficiency in Bible. You really need to brush up your Bible, to get rid of your deficiency

Shepherd00:
You said a Gay man built churches or a Church for the Israelites, and I said, verifiable proof? You told me to go get the proof myself. What kind of a person makes assertions yet demands that someone else provides proof?
Yes, I said it and you can take it to the bank.

The kind of person that previously told you about pearls not lying on seashores, and it you wanted some, you have to get your feet wet and dive for it.

Shepherd00:
Yes, MuttleyLaff. I quite agree with you on this. For long ago, Apst Paul wrote about this when he said;

For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them

Acts 20:29-30.

So, yes, we are in the same train but definitely not in the same Coach.

Here it is said about you;

CEV Romans 1:32
They know God has said that anyone who acts this way deserves to die. But they keep on doing evil things, and they even encourage others to do them.
You seemed to have again gone on a proof-texting spree here Shepherd00. I am not going to bother, let you know what the Bible, says about you.

Shepherd00:
Lol. I don't need you to oblige me, just present the facts for the world to see
Don't make me laugh. You aren't standing on firm ground, that's the problem mate.
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 1:21pm On Jun 13
MuttleyLaff:

Did you read, that in the Bible, that there were no planes, cars etcetera, hmm Shepherd00? You see, I too, know how to play, ask the absurd/unreasonable questions game Shepherd00, just putting that out.
Lolzzzzz. I asked you why no Patriarch was homosexual, you asked me if any Patriarch drove cars or flew on airplanes, and I said no. What is the game in this?
Just say you want dodge the question MuttleyLaff. Later now, you go dey claim say you don a answer me. Na dey answer be this?

Wasn't homosexuality in Abraham's time? Lot lived in their midst, why wasn't it recorded that one Jehovah's worshipper was a homosexual? Why is this so heard to answer? Pls take yourself serious.
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 2:01pm On Jun 13
MuttleyLaff:

Yawns, because, one, SSA were the minority then, even as they still are today, which is less than 5% of the world population.
Their population was 5% according to you, but they powerful and influential enough to have Temples and their own gods and temple prostitutes.

And, their activist were quite renown enough to attract God to come down and see for Himself if it was indeed true.

Genesis 19:4-5 Before Lot and his guests could go to bed, ~~~every man in Sodom~~~, young and old, came and stood outside his house and started shouting, “Where are your visitors? Send them out, so we can have sex with them!”

These are very few men indeed.

Judges 19:22
While they were enjoying themselves, ~~~a crowd of troublemakers from the town surrounded the house. They began beating at the door and shouting to the old man, “Bring out the man who is staying with you so we can have sex with him.~~~”

quote author=MuttleyLaff post=79288753]
Two, SSA, were inconsequential back then until God promise in Isaiah and elsewhere that He will recompense them[/quote]
They were inconsequential to God? Yet ,cities of Sodom, Gomorrah and the surrounding cities stands annihilated because of this Act?

And Canaan committed them out?

And Isaiah chapter what verse what pls?

MuttleyLaff:

They are, you just don't like them asides that, you keep asking questions, I've already touched or answered.
Okay let's say the problem is with me, who else agrees with you on this?
MuttleyLaff, you copy pasting pro-homosexual ideologies with warped and skewed Bible representations. No Christian will agree with you.

MuttleyLaff:

We thank God for His wisdom of permitting the narrative of David and Jonathan in the Bible
In other words you admit saying David and Jonathan were in homosex relationship?

MuttleyLaff:

You are right he never made any distinctions and I never said he did. What I said is that TV01 know my homosexuality purview, so ask him
I am not having a discussion with TV, it's with you. So tell me. Which type of Homosexuality is permissible and approved of God? With scripture.
And Oh, maybe that Isaiah you mentioned can help us.

MuttleyLaff:

The little subtle facts, so far advanced, are unsettling you Shepherd00. You aren't ready for the facts, you can't yet handle the facts, you'll go wobbly jelly so just sit back and be reading the commentary between TV01 and I.
Yet you can handle little me here. U are dodging questions like your very life depends on it.

I am not TV, and when you went everywhere boasting of trashing me you forgot you'd have to actually do the trashing? Now you are looking for an escape route.

You have a bone to pick with me independent of TV.
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 2:04pm On Jun 13
Shepherd00:
Lolzzzzz. I asked you why no Patriarch was homosexual, you asked me if any Patriarch drove cars or flew on airplanes, and I said no. What is the game in this?
Just say you want dodge the question MuttleyLaff. Later now, you go dey claim say you don a answer me. Na dey answer be this?

Wasn't homosexuality in Abraham's time? Lot lived in their midst, why wasn't it recorded that one Jehovah's worshipper was a homosexual? Why is this so heard to answer? Pls take yourself serious.
There were no Patriarch homosexual, doesnt mean there werent ordinary people being SSA persons.

Though homosexuality was in Abraham's time and Lot lived in their midst, more information werent recorded because the Bible deemed it not information worthy or important enough. I've somewhere above, told you that, SSA persons were the minority then, even as they still are today, which is less than 5% of the world population. I added that SSA persons, were inconsequential back then, until the time, God promised them in Isaiah and elsewhere, that He will recompense them.

I have several times over, on this thread and elsewhere, told, the kind of homosexuality God frowns upon.
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 2:17pm On Jun 13
MuttleyLaff:

I am not surprised you are fibbing here, did you at all notice, a sudden and gradual increase in your nose, hmm?

I do correctly remember our interaction, where you advanced that it is unhuman for a man to kiss another man, so I kindly gave you examples of men kidding each other, like Judas kissing Jesus, Joseph kissed his father, Jacob and vice versa etcetera
In other words these people were homosexuals?
The kisses you mentioned were the Tongue sucking or lip sucking kisses? To this you dodged.

MuttleyLaff:

I've told you already about your deficiency in Bible. You really need to brush up your Bible, to get rid of your deficiency
@TV01 and @ openmind pls you guys who are efficient in Scriptures should tell MuttleyLaff to post the passage of the Bible stating that Jesus highly Praised homosexuality more than Heterosexuality. Abeg. Him say him no go.post am because me I no sabi Bible.

MuttleyLaff, didn't you know I was deficient when you brought that up. Post it for the sake of your audience.
Pls don't forget to post this took

¶ The Homosexual who built a Church for the Israelitish Church.
¶ The passage in Isaiah where God made a promise to the Homosexuals

¶ The Passage where Jesus highly praised homosexuals above heterosexuals.

MuttleyLaff:

Yes, I said it and you can take it to the bank.
The kind of person that previously told you about pearls not lying on seashores, and it you wanted some, you have to get your feet wet and dive for it.
They way brag, one wld think it won't take you anything to post proves to validate your boastings.

I ask you again, who was he? Any link to verify it?

MuttleyLaff:

You seemed to have again gone on a proof-texting spree here Shepherd00. I am not going to bother, let you know what the Bible, says about you.
You can try.
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 2:32pm On Jun 13
MuttleyLaff:

There were no Patriarch homosexual, doesnt mean there werent ordinary people being SSA persons.
Amongst the worshipers of Jehovah, who are who were the commoners who were Homosexuals?

MuttleyLaff:

Though homosexuality was in Abraham's time and Lot lived in their midst, more information werent recorded because the Bible deemed it not information worthy or important enough.
The Bible deemed it not information worthy enough?
Ah, this guy sha. Cities went out of extinction because of this, yet you think this was not information worthy enough? The information given is enough for us to work with. Sodomy today has it's root from there. Wirhout the information from the Bible, you and I won't be having this conversation.

MuttleyLaff:

I've somewhere above, told you that, SSA persons were the minority then, even as they still are today, which is less than 5% of the world population.
How then did they managed to get quite the attention they had to attract fire rain from heaven?

MuttleyLaff:

I added that SSA persons, were inconsequential back then, until the time, God promised them in Isaiah and elsewhere, that He will recompense them.
Okay, they became a force to reckon with, hence Jehovah made them a promise of recompense. Righttttt

Which Chapter and verse in Isaiah?

MuttleyLaff:

I have several times over, on this thread and elsewhere, told, the kind of homosexuality God frowns upon.
Yeah, you said so, but didn't say which one He approves backing it up with scriptures.

The Word of God is the mind of God.

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