Shepherd00:

Have you forgotten that kkins25 is an atheist hence the word of God is useless to him? lol

I thought as much....no wonder he was quoting a scripture out of context and Oga OP was busy doing the lead cheerleader....and he was in sifia pains when I was doing the same for @bloodofthelamb

MuttleyLaff:
and I agreed with you about it being the money questions and asked you about the original and true meanings of the words changed in Timothy and Corinthians from what Paul wrote and meant.

You are either a JJC to this thread or like Shepherd00 haven't bothered to read what I've said here about your question

This hysteria is for what nah? You can't take it that we now know that you are a wolf binding under the cloak of Christianity?

You are exposed. No Christian will open his anus for another man to fuq.

Shepherd00:

Like I said, Have it your own way.

You know what. You're not only a time waster but you're an unashamedly time stealer and a time killer. Abeggy carry your bad energy and negativity far far far away from me please. Keep your distance. Thank you very much.

openmine:

Hmmmm, wikipedia is now used as a platform to interpret the word of God same way it was used erroneously to interpret and define tithes as a tenth of one's income!

When did "eunuchs" translate into homosexuals in Mathew 19:12?
The worse part of it is the fact that OP who is meant to know that...
"No scripture is of private interpretation"
....is busy supporting and doing his own 'cheerleader' work for some one who is wrongly quoting a scripture out of context just to give his already shattered ego some breather!
Una welldone ohhh

So any commentator can just show up and start quoting scriptures and some perceived believers,rather than test such spirits,would swallow their doctrines hook,line and sinker!

Bros, ignore MuttleyLaff. He has been looking for support from the beginning of this thread, he can't help grabbing kkins25 even when he knows the guy is an atheist.

He is clapping for an atheist even when knows the guy is summersaulting Scriptures. At leat he has one person cheering him up. lolzzzzzzzzzz.

Shepherd00:
This hysteria is for what nah? You can't take it that we now know that you are a wolf binding under the cloak of Christianity?

You are exposed. No Christian will open his anus for another man to fuq.

Your obsession with anus is legendary. I was wondering when soon will you start introducing the mentioning of anus to the thread. You haven't disappointed me. Oshey!

Shepherd00:

This hysteria is for what nah? You can't take it that we now know that you are a wolf binding under the cloak of Christianity?

You are exposed. No Christian will open his anus for another man to fuq.

Bro I think the best way to get OP to a true life confession is to keep insisting on your points without being turned....cos OP just know how to flip your points into a question against you!
After trying ad infinitum to turn me,he started calling me a troll and a liar!
When people have discovered they have been boxed to a corner by you,they start tagging people with unprintable names like JJC or troll or the hapless IGNORE MODE
If only he knew how much I laugh when he brings up the IGNORE MODE ON balderdash

MuttleyLaff:
and I agreed with you about it being the money questions and asked you about the original and true meanings of the words changed in Timothy and Corinthians from what Paul wrote and meant.

You are either a JJC to this thread or like Shepherd00 haven't bothered to read what I've said here about your question

If you say homosexuality and lesbianism is God's plan... how can such a relationship be fruitful and multiply?

Lemme rephrase the question... how does homosexuality and lesbianism fit into God's plan for humanity to be fruitful and multiply?

Let's start with this...

Shepherd00:
Bros, ignore MuttleyLaff. He has been looking for support from the beginning of this thread, he can't help grabbing kkins25 even when he knows the guy is an atheist.

He is clapping for an atheist even when knows the guy is summersaulting Scriptures. At leat he has one person cheering him up. lolzzzzzzzzzz.

Even if you won't admit it, you have learned a thing or two from that post, that you never knew before or understand before.

I am a one man Mopol. I stand for exposing the lies, not looking for support

Shepherd00:

Bros, ignore MuttleyLaff. He has been looking for support from the beginning of this thread, he can't help grabbing kkins25 even when he knows the guy is an atheist.

He is clapping for an atheist even when knows the guy is summersaulting Scriptures. At leat he has one person cheering him up. lolzzzzzzzzzz.

There was a point where he could not take my insistence and he got so boxed into a corner,he started to cc about 20 or more pips to show up on his thread to bail him out of his misery but one told him he should bail himself!

openmine:

I thought as much....no wonder he was quoting a scripture out of context and Oga OP was busy doing the lead cheerleader....and he was in sifia pains when I was doing the same for @bloodofthelamb

kkins25 pointed out that he was not a Christian.

MuttleyLaff is petty. He can not stand when others are praised.

MuttleyLaff:
Even if you won't admit it, you have learned a thing or two from that post, that you never knew before or understand before.

I am a one man Mopol. I stand for exposing the lies, not looking for support

were you not the one who begged one of you favourite fans on nairaland to help you be a referee and for some one to serve as you lead cheerleader?
When you ran out of words,you went and called your legion of armies to come rescue you!
See this one!
Make i hear feem and i go show everyone the comment where you cc'ed almost all your armies!
Mopol kor man nii

MuttleyLaff:
You know what. You're not only a time waster but you're an unashamedly time stealer and a time killer. Abeggy carry your bad energy and negativity far far far away from me please. Keep your distance. Thank you very much.

Okay sir. At least any rational mind who wld read our discusses here will see if I'm you accuse me of.

MuttleyLaff:
Your obsession with anus is legendary. I was wondering when soon will you start introducing the mentioning of anus to the thread. You haven't disappointed me. Oshey!

Ah, MuttleyLaff, don't take it personal o. Na weytin Bible talk we dey present here o. This vex show say you dey desperate to present your own logic. Calm down. The truth Na h the truth. Shouting and name calling won't change it.

OkCornel:
If you say homosexuality and lesbianism is God's plan... how can such a relationship be fruitful and multiply?

Lemme rephrase the question... how does homosexuality and lesbianism fit into God's plan for humanity to be fruitful and multiply?

Let's start with this...

This is an amateurish question to ask, but I'll still answer you though.

Simples, the same way, infertiles and others of that sort fit into God's plan for humanity, only that you have this impression, that fruitfulness and multiplication has only to do with procreation. SMH

Now answer mine please. Thanks in advance.

openmine:

Bro I think the best way to get OP to a true life confession is to keep insisting on your points without being turned....cos OP just know how to flip your points into a question against you!
After trying ad infinitum to turn me,he started calling me a troll and a liar!
When people have discovered they have been boxed to a corner by you,they start tagging people with unprintable names like JJC or troll or the hapless IGNORE MODE
If only he knew how much I laugh when he brings up the IGNORE MODE ON balderdash

I went back to reading this thread all over again, I discovered that MuttleyLaff blindsided my posts like no tomorrow.

The ones he touches he dribbles over them then turn them to questions to me. He is doing the same to Okcornel

The guy is smart in a very negative way.

openmine:

There was a point where he could not take my insistence and he got so boxed into a corner,he started to cc about 20 or more pips to show up on his thread to bail him out of his misery but one told him he should bail himself!

He knows no reasonable person will stand to justify homosex using the Bible.

Shepherd00:

I went back to reading this thread all over again, I discovered that MuttleyLaff blindsided my posts like no tomorrow.

The ones he touches he dribbles over them then turn them to questions to me. He is doing the same to Okcornel

The guy is smart in a very negative way.

Happy you have now unearthed his deficiencies!
He will be the one taking you to a voyage of no return...and try to confuse you with many words but no substance!
His plan is to make you think you know nothing and that he is the fact chairman little wonder why he named someone a JJC and labelled a question amateurish
Unfortunately his kind hardly learn because he thinks he knows better than every one....which is not a good virtue a believer must have!
His goal is to ensure that he wins every argument and call himself the awakener....more like boasting that he knows better than everyone!
But box him to a corner and show him you are worth your onions and He will start labelling you a troll or call you what he does best!
Once you are persistent,he will either call his nairaland comrades to help out or ignore you!

Mopol kor

Shepherd00:
I went back to reading this thread all over again, I discovered that MuttleyLaff blindsided my posts like no tomorrow.

The ones he touches he dribbles over them then turn them to questions to me. He is doing the same to Okcornel

The guy is smart in a very negative way.

When and which one?

You are talking of that OkCornel amateurish question right?

Shepherd00:
He knows no reasonable person will stand to justify homosex using the Bible.

The Pope in private does. Archbishop Desmond Tutu et al are reasonable enough not to be a homophobic, that you and the others are.

MuttleyLaff:
When and which one?

You are talking of that OkCornel amateurish question right?

The Pope in private does. Archbishop Desmond Tutu et al are reasonable enough not to be a homophobic, that you and the others are.

I'll be back later...cos I'm still looking for how God can now make it possible for homosexuals and lesbians to procreate and multiply....

OkCornel:
I'll be back later...cos I'm still looking for how God can now make it possible for homosexuals and lesbians to procreate and multiply....

I've told you that infertiles and others of that sort, just like homosexuals/lesbians do, fit into God's plan for humanity, and that you seem to only have this impression, that fruitfulness and multiplication has only to do with procreation. SMH

Now just answer my question(s) you prevaricated, instead of gallivanting off, looking to find something, not lost, biko please. Thanks in advance.

openmine:

Hmmmm, wikipedia is now used as a platform to interpret the word of God same way it was used erroneously to interpret and define tithes as a tenth of one's income!

ogbenii, is Wikipedia an artificial intelligence? The words inscribes on it pages, aren't they written by humans? The article on Wikipedia is a summary of several other primary sources. But please let me burden you to tell me why Christian denominations are beginning to accept Homosexuality? The people who package that thing you call word of God are accepting homosexuals as commanded by God himself. See below

1st peter 2:17 Honor men of all sorts, have love for the whole association of brothers, be in fear of God, honor the king..

When did "eunuchs" translate into homosexuals in Mathew 19:12?
The worse part of it is the fact that OP who is meant to know that...
"No scripture is of private interpretation"

Facepalm. An eunuch is someone who has no sense of attraction to- or affection to/for the opposite sex which in these case is the female. * eunuch were mostly men who had lost their reproductive organs or capability. But the scripture- matt 19:21 as muttleylaff has superbly explained even though it fell on deaf ears informs us that some people may be born whose nature from birth defiles the normal way of life so to speak. I. E. They would naturally show no sexual desires for the opposite sex. Now, ask yourself whats the difference between an natural eunuch and a man who since he was born doesnt feel any attraction to females?
Do note that the definition i give is based on the description of the term in the afore mentioned bible verse.

....is busy supporting and doing his own 'cheerleader' work for some one who is wrongly quoting a scripture out of context just to give his already shattered ego some breather!
Una welldone ohhh

no one is cheerleading anyone here. How does this comment help your argument?

o any commentator can just show up and start quoting scriptures and some perceived believers,rather than test such spirits,would swallow their doctrines hook,line and sinker!

if we go by your logic, christianity has failed that test a long time ago. When it invaded arabia, when it slaughtered women and children whom did not bow to the cross. What about today? Look at the evil perpetrated by prophets and pastors and their members alike. Your version of Christianity like other religions is a sham. Well, muttley's version is the evolved version im sure christ would be proud of.

There fore get the behind me you Shepherd00, you satan.

Let it first be known that even jehova witness' have said to love homosexuals. Even though the witnesses agree that the bible condems the act. (no scriptural backup though). So i ask you Tv01 and Shepherd00, how can you love your neighbor whom is a homosexual and hate homosexuality??


I do not subscribe to the laws of the bible. Confucius developed morality without any ten commandments or tablet.

Fedrick nietchze, thomas paine, leibenz all struck a dagger in the heart of God.
The entity which claimed to be God in the bible died a long time ago. His son was murdered on the cross and the holy spirit disappeared into nothingness.
If the so called laws of God in the old testament are laws of God, why were they abandoned in the new testament?.

I did not say the bible does not condemn homosexuality, i hinted that the debate would not end as the bible which is always subject to interpretation bias supports and condemn the act of homosexuality.

I, kkins25 also stated that muttleylaff was right when he said that, homosexuality wasn't the reason Sodom and gomorrah was destroyed. Wether you agree or not biblical scholars and even the jews(Gods chosen people) all agree with muttleylaff.

kkins25:
ogbenii, is Wikipedia an artificial intelligence? The words inscribes on it pages, aren't they written by humans? The article on Wikipedia is a summary of several other primary sources. But please let me burden you to tell me why Christian denominations are beginning to accept Homosexuality? The people who package that thing you call word of God are accepting homosexuals as commanded by God himself. See below
1st peter 2:17 Honor men of all sorts, have love for the whole association of brothers, be in fear of God, honor the king..

Its Certainly not artificial intelligence but not knowledgeable enough to comprehend scriptures!
People write articles or do researches about what they believe is true and insert it for you to read!
Thats why its called wikipedia...however,we ain't talking about wikipedia,we are talking about the scriptures!
Secondly,who are the churches or believers accepting homosexual acts?
Well we have many churches and believers who misinterpret the word to suit themselves but that doesn't make or classify them as God's chosen people!
I know there is a church where a pastor doesn't step his foot on the ground...he is carried by members until he is through with sermon!
I know of a so called church where members drink dettol for purification!
I know of an assembly where the pastor touches the private parts of a member just to remove the spirit of demons!
Bro there are many churches that abound...the question should be are they structured based on the scriptures?

Remember the scriptures?

"Not those who call me lord lord shall enter the kingdom but those who do my will"

"Test all spirits"

Just because someone is labelled a pastor or bishop or pope doesn't make them spirit filled or God's chosen leader to teach the word!

Even paul warned believers to be careful about churches that don't teach according to God's word!

Well i doubt if you might grasp what am saying esp since you ain't a believer in the word of God!

kkins25:

Facepalm. An eunuch is someone who has no sense of attraction to- or affection to/for the opposite sex which in these case is the female. * eunuch were mostly men who had lost their reproductive organs or capability. But the scripture- matt 19:21 as muttleylaff has superbly explained even though it fell on deaf ears informs us that some people may be born whose nature from birth defiles the normal way of life so to speak. I. E. They would naturally show no sexual desires for the opposite sex. Now, ask yourself whats the difference between an natural eunuch and a man who since he was born doesnt feel any attraction to females?
Do note that the definition i give is based on the description of the term in the afore mentioned bible verse.

That scripture about eunuchs should be left as it is....unless you have a corresponding scripture to relate with what you quoted!
The scriptures are not there to be second guessed
If it were,many would have inserted other meanings instead of an eunuch!
I believe you have properly explained who an eunuch is....So the question is.....what relationship does an eunuch have with homosexual acts according to the scripture?
Did it say that the eunuch that was born that way from birth has homosexual acts?
Stop reading your own meaning into plain and explicit scriptures!

Secondly, a scripture is not just read on their own!

"No scripture is of private interpretation"

You don't read just a scripture and make a hypothesis out of it!
It needs to be backed by other scriptures to gain COMPLETE understanding!

Lastly,It would amount to adding and subtracting from God's Word!
The scripture is not an article that you decide which to add or insert like you desire!
But like i said,it can only make sense if you are a believer in the word of God!
No pun intended!

kkins25:

no one is cheerleading anyone here. How does this comment help your argument?

Bro unless you are MR muttley in another moniker replying,i don't think that should be your concern!

kkins25:

if we go by your logic, christianity has failed that test a long time ago. When it invaded arabia, when it slaughtered women and children whom did not bow to the cross. What about today? Look at the evil perpetrated by prophets and pastors and their members alike. Your version of Christianity like other religions is a sham. Well, muttley's version is the evolved version im sure christ would be proud of.

Bro Its unfortunate you have a sordid mindset about Christianity!
And honestly,you are not far from the truth!
There were people in the past who used their beliefs to destroy and to kill many!
There was a Christian who killed a doctor because of the number of abortions that he had carried!
When asked why he killed the doctor,he said he wanted to do God's work!
There is a name for them!
its called extremism!
Most times,its because some people don't really comprehend or even study the bible....that's why you would find a pastor instructing members to eat grass!
It doesn't mean the same is applicable every where in the world!
Am yet to presently see any believer forcing any one to believe in God!
Our duty is to preach the Good news to everyone about our saviour!
Whoever kills other people because of God has either not read his bible properly or is being led by a false pastors or teachers of the scripture!

Bro like i said,i know you don't believe in God either because of what you were told or what you thought of ....!

kkins25:

Let it first be known that even jehova witness' have said to love homosexuals. Even though the witnesses agree that the bible condemns the act. (no scriptural backup though). So i ask you Tv01 and Shepherd00, how can you love your neighbor whom is a homosexual and hate homosexuality??

First,there is nothing wrong in loving unbelievers or those who have committed sin!
That's why Christ came....to reconcile everyone with God!
No matter your sins,he is faithful and just to forgive a sinner and cleanse them from their sinful acts including homosexual acts!
Its like a criminal.you can show love and also not condone his "deeds"
Loving someone does not imply that you are to accept their wrong path...infact,if you really love someone wholeheartedly,you would actually want the best for that person which is help that person to change from their wrongful acts!
However,if what you are implying is that jehovah witness as a church loves "homosexual acts",then i must say i haven't heard about that!
But if they do,then that does not make it right before God!
Bro there are so many denominations that believe in different stuffs that God frowns at!
Some believe in holiness,some don't!
Some are into purely prosperity devoid of the Good news!
Some are into extreme religion like Judaism!
Some kill,maim and force people to believe God!
Some Manipulate other members just to believe....

Nevertheless,the question is....what is being preached in that church?
Is it about christ or about mammon?
Its not about building a structure and calling it a church!
Is it spirit-filled?
Do they preach the Good news?
Is the church structured based on the pattern made by Paul?
Lastly,should a church that practises sin or iniquities be used to hastily generalize all churches?
So next time try to ask such questions rather than use a church or two to generalize every other church in the world!

kkins25:

I do not subscribe to the laws of the bible. Confucius developed morality without any ten commandments or tablet.

No probs bro!
I definitely understand!
don't take this the wrong way ohh...but am guessing whatever i have said so far or will say will make little or no sense to you!
You can also make a thread about homosexuality using logic that doesn't involve the scriptures unless you have scriptures to prove homosexual acts are permissible!

kkins25:

Fedrick nietchze, thomas paine, leibenz all struck a dagger in the heart of God.
The entity which claimed to be God in the bible died a long time ago. His son was murdered on the cross and the holy spirit disappeared into nothingness.
If the so called laws of God in the old testament are laws of God, why were they abandoned in the new testament?.

Like i have said,
Whatever we say esp using scriptures will be like music to your ears!
It will be hard for you to comprehend esp given that you believe God is dead and his son was murdered and the spirit disappeared!
Now imagine if i explained to you about the laws of moses using Hebrews 7,8,9 and 10,it will never make any sense to you esp when you don't believe in God!

kkins25:

I did not say the bible does not condemn homosexuality, i hinted that the debate would not end as the bible which is always subject to interpretation bias supports and condemn the act of homosexuality.

Bro please don't waste your time here! no pun intended!
You have been honest enough to say it without a sign post that you are an atheist!
I don't condemn you but i don't think what i may say will make much sense to you due to your present inclination!
Thanks

kkins25:

I, kkins25 also stated that muttleylaff was right when he said that, homosexuality wasn't the reason Sodom and gomorrah was destroyed. Wether you agree or not biblical scholars and even the jews(Gods chosen people) all agree with muttleylaff.

Like i have inquired,if indeed you believe that muttleylaff or some biblical scholars or even your so called acclaimed jews agree about homosexuality,why are they finding it so hard to find scriptures to prove that God permits,loves and accepts homosexual acts?
I mean is it that hard to find?

kkins25:
ogbenii, is Wikipedia an artificial intelligence? The words inscribes on it pages, aren't they written by humans? The article on Wikipedia is a summary of several other primary sources. But please let me burden you to tell me why Christian denominations are beginning to accept Homosexuality? The people who package that thing you call word of God are accepting homosexuals as commanded by God himself. See below

1st peter 2:17 Honor men of all sorts, have love for the whole association of brothers, be in fear of God, honor the king..

"Ye mo gbe!" that 1 Peter 2:17 scripture referral. Ouch. What a body slam.

There are enough, actually more than enough, scriptures like 1 Peter 2:17 above, where we see the Bible speak positively, albeit codedly of same sex attraction committed and faithful relationships.

kkins25:
Facepalm. An eunuch is someone who has no sense of attraction to- or affection to/for the opposite sex which in these case is the female. * eunuch were mostly men who had lost their reproductive organs or capability. But the scripture- matt 19:21 as muttleylaff has superbly explained even though it fell on deaf ears informs us that some people may be born whose nature from birth defiles the normal way of life so to speak. i.e. They would naturally show no sexual desires for the opposite sex. Now, ask yourself whats the difference between an natural eunuch and a man who since he was born doesnt feel any attraction to females?
Do note that the definition i give is based on the description of the term in the afore mentioned bible verse.

Flesh and blood did not reveal this to you kkins25. More anointing and grace shall be your portion

kkins25:
no one is cheerleading anyone here. How does this comment help your argument?

Good and befitting response

kkins25:
if we go by your logic, christianity has failed that test a long time ago. When it invaded arabia, when it slaughtered women and children whom did not bow to the cross. What about today? Look at the evil perpetrated by prophets and pastors and their members alike. Your version of Christianity like other religions is a sham. Well, muttley's version is the evolved version im sure christ would be proud of.

"From the lips of babes and infants you have established strength, because of your adversaries, that you might silence the enemy and the avenger."
- Psalm 8:2

"and said to him, "Do you hear what these are saying?"
Jesus said to them, "Yes. Did you never read, 'Out of the mouth of babes and nursing babies you have perfected praise?"
- Matthew 21:16

Psalm 8:2 and Matthew 21:16 above are so prophetic, kkins25, you are a definition of class.

I, tbh, never expected you, out of all, to have a cute "your head dey there" side about you, but I loved it. I loved it when I read, that you saw through the cobweb of lies. I love this character of you, thanks, thank you very much for showing it. I’m so proud of you, knowing so well how much some people on here, will try to run you down after this and bite your head off, particularly for sticking it out from under the parapet. Brace yourself for more onslaughts from them and dont expect anything less coming from those quarters, knowing fully well, they don’t want it, when people, like you and us, tell it, like it is.

They think they are doing the work of Paul, without knowing that inadvertently they are being Saul and not Paul at all

I can't wait to see more of you in your coming posts on this thread concerning this burning issue, but I rather want to see you correctly arse-whooping and properly kicking arse(s). You see, I am sorry but the title of the thread isn't confusing nau. It is a great thread that is going to, bit by bit, one by one, drag out the lies one after the other concerning this fraud. So for anyone, if you've just joined the thread, you are new, have a "read with an open mind" attitude, then sit back to enjoy, as awesome more supporting evidence of lies revealed with facts unfolds.

If this is your first time on the thread, greetings then! I would like to personally welcome you for being here. Please feel free to review some of our previous comments posted and express your thoughts, understandings, insights, epiphanies and other "aha moment" you've discovered.

kkins25:
There fore get the behind me you Shepherd00, you satan.

Hmm.

kkins25:
Let it first be known that even jehova witness' have said to love homosexuals. Even though the witnesses agree that the bible condems the act. (no scriptural backup though). So i ask you Tv01 and Shepherd00, how can you love your neighbor whom is a homosexual and hate homosexuality??

They cant produce it when no scriptural backup exists naah. Please help me ask them because none of them have bothered to tell me when I ask,
1/ What is the evil in homosexuality, that it so much needs to be hated by them?
2/ What specifically, what particularly is wrong, evil and/or bad in the homosexual act

None, to date, have held out or put forward anwers. OkCornel has scooted off, he is still at sea, searching for something he said, trying to find what's not lost, tsk. Shepherd00 nkọ, he is scratching head, confused somewhere, as a baby raccoon and confused.com. This other poster, who will make a very good career from being a little court jester is busy thinking up what his next line of deliberate irreverence(s) will be. By the way, all I can think of whenever I read his comments are "creeper". No offense please, to anyone, who likes him, but I just find him to be an ornery person, though I do realise that its false religion and his fundamentalism that's what had made him be so ornery.

kkins25:
I do not subscribe to the laws of the bible. Confucius developed morality without any ten commandments or tablet.

Confucius is a Chinese philosopher nah, and kkins25, I do vividly recall telling you on Page 2 of this thread that, God, of course, in the Bible, can be seen to be the greatest Philosopher of all.

Remember kkins25, when you said "science and philosophy is the new authority", I asked you to watch this, that science, as we know it says, we need four basic elements to survive, which are Water, Air, Food and Light, but you should look at God. Look at what Jesus did and/or said about Himself.

1/ He did and/or said: I am the living water (i.e. John 4:10, John 4:14, John 7:37, Revelation 21:6) (check Water) => ✓
2/ He did and/or said about being: breath of life (i.e. John 20:22) (check Air) => ✓
3/ He did and/or said: I am the bread of life (i.e. John 6:33, JohnSo 6:35, John 6:48 and John 6:51) (check Food) => ✓
4/ He did and/or said: and I am the light of the world (i.e. John 8:12, John 9:5, and John 12:46) (check Light) => ✓

The bible is alive, living and active my brother. The bible is not dead, it is full of life and makes me everyday come alive. What a very good feeling. kkins, there is no better book than the Bible, which is God's begineers instructional book for living on earth and there is no better Teacher and Interpreter than the Holy Spirit. Where there is the Spirit of Truth working, showing you things and teaching, it then has nothing to do with "no scripture is of private interpretation" as some will pathetically try to knock you on the head with.

kkins25:
Fedrick nietchze, thomas paine, leibenz all struck a dagger in the heart of God.
The entity which claimed to be God in the bible died a long time ago. His son was murdered on the cross and the holy spirit disappeared into nothingness.
If the so called laws of God in the old testament are laws of God, why were they abandoned in the new testament?.

All these are slants, distorted ones for that matter and are not for this thread but another thread, besides all the Law and the Prophets, hang on two commandments, defined by Jesus as the "Law of Love". You are excused and forgiven, as being an atheist, if you dont know this

kkins25:
I did not say the bible does not condemn homosexuality, i hinted that the debate would not end as the bible which is always subject to interpretation bias supports and condemn the act of homosexuality.

The bible does not condemn homosexuality per se.

When uninformed people read their English version bible(s), I mean read it, especially without knowing certain or specific things beforehand, like about truth(s) trade and exchanged in for lies, they then for some reason, think that, what they read is how the Bible has always and originally said it. They read verses that the church is and has been using to condemn homosexuality when the Bible really hasnt condemned and doesn't condemn homosexuality at all in any of those seven clobber verses

The Bible never says/said committed, faithful, loving thats till death do part consensual adult same sex intimate behaviour is abominable. Anyone that tells you this, is borrowing a lie from the pit of hell.

kkins25:
I, kkins25 also stated that muttleylaff was right when he said that, homosexuality wasn't the reason Sodom and gomorrah was destroyed. Wether you agree or not biblical scholars and even the jews(Gods chosen people) all agree with muttleylaff.

They'll rather erase the thought from their mind, of ever reading me stating that. Did you see and read pitiful Shepherd00 reaction and remark to it
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MuttleyLaff:

The bible does not condemn homosexuality per se.

When uninformed people read their English version bible(s), I mean read it, especially without knowing certain or specific things beforehand, like about truth(s) trade and exchanged in for lies, they then for some reason, think that, what they read is how the Bible has always and originally said it. They read verses that the church is and has been using to condemn homosexuality when the Bible really hasnt condemned and doesn't condemn homosexuality at all in any of those seven clobber verses

The Bible never says/said committed, faithful, loving thats till death do part consensual adult same sex intimate behaviour is abominable. Anyone that tells you this, is borrowing a lie from the pit of hell.

In other words,There is a scripture or two says homosexual acts are permissible!
No?
Can i get the scriptures?

MuttleyLaff:

There are enough, actually more than enough, scriptures like 1 Peter 2:17 above, where we see the Bible speak positively, albeit codedly of same sex attraction committed and faithful relationships.

Bro kkins25,Another word for codedly is muttleylaff playbook is saying "am not too sure but maybe or maybe not"
Saying these can give him an exit plan in case his "codedly inserted same sax imaginary" claptrap doesn't end up well!
And to think he is erroneously leading the person without the person's knowledge? Now that's preposterous!

How convenient!
You could not face me...so you went and begged your 'cheerleader' to bail you out of your despondency by doing "copy and paste"!
Please tell your supporters club to get scriptures that prove God permits homosexual acts!

OkCornel has scooted off

muttleylaff you are falling my hand seriously!
So he/she hasn't responded,you then hastily conclude that he has ran away? geez
...are you this pettifogging in reality?
I was already tempted to ask how old you are....

openmine:



Its Certainly not artificial intelligence but not knowledgeable enough to comprehend scriptures!

are you knowledgeable enough to comprehend the scriptures? Are you better than the bible scholars whom have done nothing else than study the bible their entire life? Have you compared your version with original manuscript?

People write articles or do researches about what they believe is true and insert it for you to read!

Aren't you also a "people" doing the same thing

Thats why its called wikipedia...however,we ain't talking about wikipedia,we are talking about the scriptures!
Secondly,who are the churches or believers accepting homosexual acts?
Well we have many churches and believers who misinterpret the word to suit themselves but that doesn't make or classify them as God's chosen people!

What makes your version of the matter preferable to theirs? Why should i belief you and disregard other sects? Have you performed any miracle to verify your faith?

I know there is a church where a pastor doesn't step his foot on the ground...he is carried by members until he is through with sermon!
I know of a so called church where members drink dettol for purification!
I know of an assembly where the pastor touches the private parts of a member just to remove the spirit of demons!
Bro there are many churches that abound...the question should be are they structured based on the scriptures?

why should i take your own version as the truth?
Afterall to proof his claims your lord and personal saviour cured the sick, walked on water, etc. Kindly prove your version of Christianity is better than others.

Remember the scriptures?

"Not those who call me lord lord shall enter the kingdom but those who do my will"

"Test all spirits"

Just because someone is labelled a pastor or bishop or pope doesn't make them spirit filled or God's chosen leader to teach the word!

Even paul warned believers to be careful about churches that don't teach according to God's word!

Well i doubt if you might grasp what am saying esp since you ain't a believer in the word of God!



That scripture about eunuchs should be left as it is....unless you have a corresponding scripture to relate with what you quoted!
The scriptures are not there to be second guessed
If it were,many would have inserted other meanings instead of an eunuch!
I believe you have properly explained who an eunuch is....So the question is.....what relationship does an eunuch have with homosexual acts according to the scripture?
Did it say that the eunuch that was born that way from birth has homosexual acts?
Stop reading your own meaning into plain and explicit scriptures!

Secondly, a scripture is not just read on their own!

"No scripture is of private interpretation"

You don't read just a scripture and make a hypothesis out of it!
It needs to be backed by other scriptures to gain COMPLETE understanding!

Lastly,It would amount to adding and subtracting from God's Word!
The scripture is not an article that you decide which to add or insert like you desire!
But like i said,it can only make sense if you are a believer in the word of God!
No pun intended!



Bro unless you are MR muttley in another moniker replying,i don't think that should be your concern!



Bro Its unfortunate you have a sordid mindset about Christianity!
And honestly,you are not far from the truth!
There were people in the past who used their beliefs to destroy and to kill many!
There was a Christian who killed a doctor because of the number of abortions that he had carried!
When asked why he killed the doctor,he said he wanted to do God's work!
There is a name for them!
its called extremism!
Most times,its because some people don't really comprehend or even study the bible....that's why you would find a pastor instructing members to eat grass!
It doesn't mean the same is applicable every where in the world!
Am yet to presently see any believer forcing any one to believe in God!
Our duty is to preach the Good news to everyone about our saviour!
Whoever kills other people because of God has either not read his bible properly or is being led by a false pastors or teachers of the scripture!

Bro like i said,i know you don't believe in God either because of what you were told or what you thought of ....!


First,there is nothing wrong in loving unbelievers or those who have committed sin!
That's why Christ came....to reconcile everyone with God!
No matter your sins,he is faithful and just to forgive a sinner and cleanse them from their sinful acts including homosexual acts!
Its like a criminal.you can show love and also not condone his "deeds"
Loving someone does not imply that you are to accept their wrong path...infact,if you really love someone wholeheartedly,you would actually want the best for that person which is help that person to change from their wrongful acts!
However,if what you are implying is that jehovah witness as a church loves "homosexual acts",then i must say i haven't heard about that!
But if they do,then that does not make it right before God!
Bro there are so many denominations that believe in different stuffs that God frowns at!
Some believe in holiness,some don't!
Some are into purely prosperity devoid of the Good news!
Some are into extreme religion like Judaism!
Some kill,maim and force people to believe God!
Some Manipulate other members just to believe....

Nevertheless,the question is....what is being preached in that church?
Is it about christ or about mammon?
Its not about building a structure and calling it a church!
Is it spirit-filled?
Do they preach the Good news?
Is the church structured based on the pattern made by Paul?
Lastly,should a church that practises sin or iniquities be used to hastily generalize all churches?
So next time try to ask such questions rather than use a church or two to generalize every other church in the world!




No probs bro!
I definitely understand!
don't take this the wrong way ohh...but am guessing whatever i have said so far or will say will make little or no sense to you!
You can also make a thread about homosexuality using logic that doesn't involve the scriptures unless you have scriptures to prove homosexual acts are permissible!


Like i have said,
Whatever we say esp using scriptures will be like music to your ears!
It will be hard for you to comprehend esp given that you believe God is dead and his son was murdered and the spirit disappeared!
Now imagine if i explained to you about the laws of moses using Hebrews 7,8,9 and 10,it will never make any sense to you esp when you don't believe in God!



Bro please don't waste your time here! no pun intended!
You have been honest enough to say it without a sign post that you are an atheist!
I don't condemn you but i don't think what i may say will make much sense to you due to your present inclination!
Thanks



Like i have inquired,if indeed you believe that muttleylaff or some biblical scholars or even your so called acclaimed jews agree about homosexuality,why are they finding it so hard to find scriptures to prove that God permits,loves and accepts homosexual acts?
I mean is it that hard to find?

Oh the ad hominems!!!


I've not claimed the jews agree on homosexuality. Never!!
I wonder why all these false churches as you claim do such things. After all they all read the same bible. Once again, it all boils down to interpretation bias.

Kkins25 has stated that he is not an atheist in the sense that atheist define themselves. I, my friend am atheist to the the concept of trinity, to the ideology by which common christians perceive God to be, to the concepts of heaven and hell, and other mudane beliefs carried on by common folks of Christianity.

Oga Muttleylaff...I'm still here o...

Please I'd like to know how same sex relationship fits into God's plan for humanity to be fruitful and MULTIPLY...

You brought up the case of infertility as though every infertile person made a conscious choice to be infertile...

Homosexuality and lesbianism is obviously a conscious choice... How can humanity multiply with such a relationship?

Are there cases of same sex relationship that led to procreation?

Someone on this thread tried to argue that the anus was also created for sexual purpose...

Even science is against such a lame argument...

MuttleyLaff:
and I agreed with you about it being the money questions and asked you about the original and true meanings of the words changed in Timothy and Corinthians from what Paul wrote and meant.

You are either a JJC to this thread or like Shepherd00 haven't bothered to read what I've said here about your question

You still want to know who Paul was speaking against in 1 Timothy 1 v 8-11 as though those words are not self explanatory?


Alright then, perhaps bringing a lot of concordances and references will do more than enough justice to this...

Stay tuned...

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MuttleyLaff...kissing his own arse...rightly you are called ButtleyStraff

TV

kkins25:

are you knowledgeable enough to comprehend the scriptures? Are you better than the bible scholars whom have done nothing else than study the bible their entire life? Have you compared your version with original manuscript?

"Test the spirits"
"No scripture is of private interpretation"
When i say no scripture is of private interpretation,am implying that you cant drag out a scripture and make a doctrine out of it!
A scripture must be seen to draw a sync or agreement with another scripture or two!
That's what the bible meant by 'rightly dividing the scriptures'!
Secondly,Any bible scholar without the leading of the holy spirit will take scriptures on a literal basis which is what most are erroneously doing doing!
I do not claim to be an expert or advanced in theology!
However,i know much about the scriptures that i can hardly be deceived by false teaching!

kkins25:

Aren't you also a "people" doing the same thing

I haven't done so....i only do as scripture says!
Any other thing is based on one's understanding which sometimes may not always be accurate!
Whoever does not rightly divide the word of God will find it complicated!
Those who write articles based on their 'ideology' on scriptures do so using perchance which sometimes is subject to controversies!

kkins25:

What makes your version of the matter preferable to theirs? Why should i belief you and disregard other sects? Have you performed any miracle to verify your faith?

I do not ask that you believe me...rather believe in the scriptures i put forward!
Check its corresponding scriptures and see if there is a connection!
Ask for God to quicken your understanding in unearthing that which can't be seen by scholars that you hold so highly!

"The letter killeth but the spirit giveth life"

kkins25:

why should i take your own version as the truth?
After all to proof his claims your lord and personal saviour cured the sick, walked on water, etc. Kindly prove your version of Christianity is better than others.

I do not ask that you believe me...rather believe in the scriptures i put forward!
Check its corresponding scriptures and see if there is a connection!
Ask for God to quicken your understanding in unearthing that which can't be seen by scholars that you hold so highly!

"The letter killeth but the spirit giveth life"

If you believed that our saviour cured the sick,then you should believe in our saviour rather than me!
Am only a messenger of Good news not the saviour!
Do you know being alive and well is also a miracle?
Do you know that making people believe there is hope in a cruel world is also a miracle!

kkins25:

Oh the ad hominems!!!

I have never attacked you or your submissions!
Please show where!

kkins25:

I've not claimed the jews agree on homosexuality. Never!!
I wonder why all these false churches as you claim do such things. After all they all read the same bible. Once again, it all boils down to interpretation bias.

They do such so that believers will know false teachers of the gospel like paul said exist!
So that a believer will know the truth gospel through his word!
Like i said,most false teachers use a scripture out of context to deceive mostly gullible folks!
People who would prefer to allow others interpret the scriptures for them instead of the leading of the spirit!

"Do not conform to the pattern of the world but be transformed by the renewing of your minds"

kkins25:

Kkins25 has stated that he is not an atheist in the sense that atheist define themselves. I, my friend am atheist to the the concept of trinity, to the ideology by which common christians perceive God to be, to the concepts of heaven and hell, and other mudane beliefs carried on by common folks of Christianity.

Okay!
However, dont you think you have stood too much on the fence!
The bible should be your guide!
Whatever anyone including me says should be checked in the scriptures!
Also ask the spirit for assistance!
Remember that scriptures are not like our text books or novels!
IT takes deep insight from the spirit to comprehend the scriptures which is not rocket science as most people try to make it look like!

TV01:
……. - kkins25, the atheist, homsexualist, blasphemer, that is MuttleyLaffs alter-ego. Or, MuttleyLaff by another name

MuttleyLaff...kissing his own arse...rightly you are called ButtleyStraff

TV

What?
Father of God!
Are you saying @kkins25 and @muttleylaff are the same people?
Chisos wept!

OkCornel:
Oga Muttleylaff...I'm still here o...

For how long? Next year?

OkCornel:
Please I'd like to know how same sex relationship fits into God's plan for humanity to be fruitful and MULTIPLY...

Please I've told you that infertiles and others of that sort, just like homosexuals/lesbians do, fit into God's plan for humanity, and that you seem to only have this impression, that fruitfulness and multiplication has only to do with procreation. SMH

Now just start answering my question(s) you prevaricated, instead of gallivanting off, looking to find something, not lost, biko please and telling me that you are still here. Thanks in advance.

OkCornel:
You brought up the case of infertility as though every infertile person made a conscious choice to be infertile...

Similar way not all SSA person makes a conscious decision or choice to be gay

OkCornel:
Homosexuality and lesbianism is obviously a conscious choice... How can humanity multiply with such a relationship?

Do you remember making a choice being heterosexual, as in, when you made the choice hmm? That question aside, same sex attraction people have no impact on humanity multiplying, they are not affecting anything, as they adopt and have kids via surrogacy. Even as it is, population control are being pushed and enforced in some quarters of the world like Asia and also because the world population has reached seven billion people, some are thinking of how to manage the world population , so my brother, there is no cause for alarm or panic over human multiplication. With or without homosexuality and lesbianism, human multiplication increases, but then they might be serving as a restraint on an "humanity multiply" extravagance, as in, let's put it this way, keeping the human population, in check and from, as it were, overpopulation.

OkCornel:
Are there cases of same sex relationship that led to procreation?

Yes, there are, case in point Elton John and partner, and using methods like in vitro fertilization, gestational surrogacy or medically assisted insemination.

OkCornel:
Someone on this thread tried to argue that the anus was also created for sexual purpose...

Even science is against such a lame argument...

If the someone has no moniker name or ID, then YOYO.
#sipsTea, not strong coffee, like Shepherd00 does

OkCornel:
You still want to know who Paul was speaking against in 1 Timothy 1 v 8-11 as though those words are not self explanatory?

Alright then, perhaps bringing a lot of concordances and references will do more than enough justice to this...

Stay tuned...

I dont want to know who Paul was speaking against in 1 Timothy 1 v 8-11 but what in fact, I did ask you, was about the original and true meanings of the words changed in 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 from what Paul wrote and he meant.

OkCornel, the words I am talking of are: "porneia" and "arsenokoites", both in 1 Timothy 1:10 and then, say another one, like, "malakoi/malakos", that is in 1 Corinthians 6:9, along with "porneia" and "arsenokoites", the two that were earlier seen to be in 1 Timothy 1:10
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Mind you OkCornel, remember the title of this thread and the first word beginning it (i.e. deconstructing). Good luck with your searching.

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MuttleyLaff...kissing his own arse...rightly you are called ButtleyStraff

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