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| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by baio: 12:48pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
sino:this should be the perfect answer to the question Because here we translate the quote as 'there is no diety of worship except Allah' |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by ArchAngelos999: 1:34pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Afospecialk:it wasn't Yahweh who told the people of old to fight. The prophets of old were being facilitated by angels and could hardly ever tell the difference between God and angels. the character of God is seen only in Jesus Christ. Jesus is the clear description of God. think about it, why would God cause people to be killed? that's what satan does. John 10:10, it is the their thief, satan that kills and destroy. God gives life |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by tintingz(m): 1:41pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
OtemAtum:I like this revelation. May almighty Otem forgive us and forgive the gods(Allah, Yahweh, Vishnu, Eledumare and co). ![]() |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Nobody: 1:42pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
OtemAtum:Now, you just display your madness... pls show us the book, the picture of the cover, the pages it was written. |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by ArchAngelos999: 1:57pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv:you had to do a lot of gymnastics to explain away the obvious. Arabic is a human language that evolved from Hebrew as Ishmel or Ismail got sent away with his mother Hagar. Therefore, arabic has borrowed words almost identical to Old Hebrew. Allah is one of those words. it was evolved from El-oah which simply means deity. Just like Yosef-Yusuf, Moseh-Musa, Abraham-Ibrahim. Allah is El-oah. Allah means deity. If u follow the language you can see it. to argue otherwise is to say Ibrahim is not Abraham, Yusuf is not Yosef or Musa is not Moses.
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| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Afospecialk: 1:57pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
OtemAtum:Does your book of history consist details of how Allah conquer his enemies starting with just only 1 person to over 1 billions of populations that now practices islam across the world ? Do you ever take time to reflect on what over 1 billion populations who are practicing Islam today see before accepting Islam ? Is it by violence all the countries across the world accept Islam ? Is it by violence just only 7 number of people who first accept Islam defeated millions of warriors all across the world before they finally accept Islam ? (Allah is beyond human being imagination bcs he is the only creator of all creatures including angels nd all prophets, the one without beginning nd end, He begets not, nor was he begotten and the only ruling judge of the day of recompense) Anything above these, yu ar free to define Allah to suits your subconscious conceptual inclination You dont claim to know Allah more than the people that practice Islam Basic |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Kokoebapluse(m): 1:57pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
OtemAtum:Ok I come to understand you now. But Almighty God can be only worship in Islam other way is astray |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Afospecialk: 2:19pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
ArchAngelos999:The problem with mediocrities like yu is that yu always believe yu knw it all Those who ar brainwashing yu to find faults in other religions wouldnt open ur eyes to see the faults or encourage yu to perfect ur own religion Yu ar free to translate Allah to ur deity, or idol, ur enemy, even as ur hell As for Muslim we all knw what Allah mean to us without the help of any translator or dictionary |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by ArchAngelos999: 2:27pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Afospecialk:Ogbeni you are wrong about a lot of things. you chose to insult me rather than address my facts. i don't remember calling you names. i didn't even say islam has faults, you are the one saying that, it seems you were primed to insult people with contrary opinions. you say Muslims know what Allah means without dictionary the op disproved it, he won't have had a question in the first place. El-oah/Allah/deity don't be deceived |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Rashduct4luv(op): 2:37pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
ArchAngelos999:Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic, Tigrinya, Amharic, Tigre and Maltese are examples of semitic languages. In order of decreasing world speakers: Arabic 300M Amharic 22M Tigrinya 7m Hebrew About 5M Tigre 1.05M Aramaic btw 575k - 1M Maltese 483k I don't know how people stopped speaking Hebrew and evolved to Arabic. But i agree that these languages share a similar origin. The names are same in those languages. |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Rashduct4luv(op): 2:41pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
tintingz:Broda Taiwo, (Please don't use your atheist brain) Who created Adam and all humans? Options A. Allah B. Yahweh C. Elohim D. God/Olohun E. All of the above |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Rashduct4luv(op): 2:44pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Predstan:He has a precedent in the section. He came here to abuse Allah and he has open a thread on that. He wont listen to anything. |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Rashduct4luv(op): 2:50pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Sterope:I agree with you on this. To the layman and new Muslims you may use any name for Allah in their language. But as they learn more of Tawheed and Attributes of Allah....it will become more imperative to use Allah all the time. A Christian Arab will use Allah and then ascribe son and third party to Him. We know He is free of all these. |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Empiree: 2:53pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
tintingz:the problem with atheist is that they don't know right from wrong, good from bad, righteousness and evil etc. What else would you say when you believe SFM(Spaghetti Flying Monster) is your god. You posted trash so for cheap popularity but deep down you know you are deceiving yourself. |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Predstan: 3:00pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv:The two major religions was Sold to our fore fathers the same way. They attack the pagans anywhere and condemn their gods to sell their gods... so he’s on the right path of selling his god. Counter him intellectually and not condemn what you have once practiced |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by hassinho707(m): 3:03pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
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| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Rashduct4luv(op): 3:05pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Predstan:If he presents himself intellectually then i will entertain him similarly. Sold to you.....not me please. |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Predstan: 3:10pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv:Sold to your Fore-fathers... U were born one so U don’t know how it feels to condemn one’s belief... Except if you are from Saudi Arabia or Israel, then I will believe you are the seller of the idea... How else do you want him to present his god other than the way it was presented to your ancestors... |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by ArchAngelos999: 3:24pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv:your methodology is wrong. that more people speak Arabic than Hebrew has nothing to do with its origin. a roadside tailor can teach you the trade and you become an exporter, it doesn't change the origin of your expertise. polygamy is the reason Arabia is so populated. hitler, Nebuchadnezzar, and emperor titus are the reason Jews are so little language evolves over time and in different ways through increasing knowledge and mixing of cultures. e. g pidgin is a mix of local languages and English. Ishmel or Ismail and his mother were banished from the Hebrew community of Abraham, Sarah and Co to Arabia. they naturally carried some cultures as well as language there and mixed with others. also from cultural and religious diffusion or borrowing we can know. Islamic religion purports to stem from Judaism, this is a major pointer to my claim. Allah is one of the words that were borrowed. is Yousef not Yusuf, is Abraham not Ibrahim, is Mary not Maryam, is Moseh not Musa? if yes, then Allah is El-oah which means deity, Allah is an evolved ancient Hebrew word. It's a title, not a name |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Sterope(f): 3:33pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
We are not saying the same thing. Please don't agree with me at all. It is funny how you don't find it insulting. How dare some of you try to deny natives their langauge because it doesn't conform to your interpretation? Rashduct4luv: |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Afospecialk: 3:35pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
ArchAngelos999:You didnt say Islam has fault yet yu referring to Allah as deity ? I should not be deceived about what ? That Muslim should accept Allah as deity ? Do Muslim hav confusion about meaning of Allah ? No Contrary to ur preconception about the topic is the to teach ignorants that Allah is the creator of all creatures |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by ArchAngelos999: 3:35pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
tintingz:you are almost correct. El is a title, it can be ascribed to angels as well as God, it is not a name. Jehova is a title to, means Lord. the God of israel is definitely not the Canaanite gods. the Canaanite gods were worshipped through sexual perversions, immorality and burning of babies. if Israel's God and Canaanites god are the same, israel wouldn't have spelt out fornication and murder as sins...get it? good. the name of God is Jesus |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by ArchAngelos999: 3:38pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Afospecialk:preconceptions ke. Awe bawo lo se ma ko nko ni oo mo(guy, how can you teach what you don't know). Allah like Ibrahim are words derived from old Hebrew. have a nice day |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Sterope(f): 3:48pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Allah is not originally an Arabia diety. Nice story though. I don't care for other stories you have. You don't belong here. tintingz: |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by OtemAtum: 4:38pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Kokoebapluse:God Almighty, the creator of Allah, does not have pleasure in worship, rather, it has pleasure in science, which is the only method that can explore the nature of Existence. Islam is just a personal philosophy of Allah who existed some years back, died and is being worshipped today. Go and read the Book of Universal History, there it is recorded how Allah began and how he died and hoe his philosophy was propagated by Moh Ahmad and his mates who killed thousands of people to establish this philosophy. |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by OtemAtum: 4:43pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Afospecialk:One person or seven people did not defeat millions of people. It was a movement beginning from Moh Ahmad, then gradually, he began to have supporters. Then like groups of terrorists, they continued to kill people anyhow. They killed the Zoroastrians and the polytheists the most. They had more and more followers, the Kharijites, the Shiites, the Sunnis etc arose from these terrorist sects. They continued to kill and kill till these days. The BOOK OF UNIVERSAL HISTORY recorded it all and I will have a thread dedicated for this purpose because here cannot contain everything about how Islam started and expanded. I will mention you once I open the thread. Thanks. |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Rashduct4luv(op): 5:16pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Sterope:What does Allah mean to you in your language? |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Sterope(f): 5:23pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Oluwa/Olohun. Oluwa to me is the one true God that is the beneficent, the merciful and the all-forgiving. He is God according to my Quran. Basically the concept of Oluwa/Olohun differs by religion. Rashduct4luv: |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Rashduct4luv(op): 5:23pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
ArchAngelos999:From above you said Ismail and his mother mixed with Hebrew with what tribe? And what about the thought that the word Allah is derived by contraction from al-ilāh which means "the God". Anyways. No point arguing Allah is the one true creator of everything. He is without son, partner or helper. |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Rashduct4luv(op): 5:26pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Predstan:Adam was the first man on earth and he was a Muslim. He is the forefather of all of us. |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Predstan: 5:36pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv:Yeah I accept he was a Muslim, Will ou also accept that he never prayed 5 times in a day and he offered sacrifice to his God... If that’s the truth, then it’s logical that his Islam was different from ours... Why is the Islam of adam different from ours of today. Al istislamu li Awamiri llah(Islam is the total submission to the will of Allah) why was it different |
| Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Rashduct4luv(op): 5:47pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Sterope:Anyways. I am a Yoruba too and i stand on the fact that Allah is the appropriate name for the one true God worthy of worship by all Mankind and Jinn. Oluwa/Olohun as i said can be used in discussions with beginners to clarify and expatiate things. Yorubas too have the concept of Olorun/Olohun/Oluwa/Olodumare before. And if we go in to the linguistic meaning of this translations for God we may be discussing Kufr. But what the Muslim should use in his worship, his du‘aa’ (supplication) and all other circumstances when referring to Allah, may He be exalted and glorified, is the word “Allah” as it is, because that has become a symbol for the Muslims and something that distinguishes them, and it helps to avoid any confusion between what they mean and what others mean when they say “God”, as others may sometimes be referring to Allah, but sometimes they may be referring to something else. Everything that you have mentioned above applies to one who does not have a good knowledge of Arabic; as for the one who has a good knowledge of Arabic, it is permissible for him to use the translated words in order to explain Islam and help others to understand it. But when offering du‘aa’ or swearing oaths, he has to avoid doing that with words other than the known Arabic words for the divine names and attributes, as they are confirmed in the Qur’aan and Sunnah. And Allah knows best. |
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