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DeeMain:
If KD is determined to play(again because of the pressures he feels) then that is a possibility.

But we know now he wasn't good to go.

We all are just trying to smear the warriors organization.
All this talk of pressure is just distracting from the fact that all the doctors cleared him. Until we get new evidence the warriors did nothing wrong.
They did right by KD here.
The General manager crying on TV sef no help matter.

SmooshCHN:
Spot on about Iggy's case. Every team does that. On KD, I'd only agree to say they rushed him because they know, especially KD's team and the Warriors team that they were taking a risk with letting KD play. The circumstances at that time wasn't helping matters. Everybody was injured. On a normal day, they wouldn't have cleared him to play but it's the finals and they cleared him after saying he has to be 100% first. Everyone here takes the blame IMO including Bob Myers as well as the media who were saying KD has to play. Would they do this again? No!! But every player would pull the Kawhi move which is good for the players. Trust has to go both ways and KD wanted to play through the injury as he said on his IG. Bad look on the medical staff if they assured everyone that there wouldn't have been any complications but I'm 100% they did inform everyone on the team of the complications. It's the most basic thing athletic trainers and medical staffs know. They calf strain takes 3-6weeks. KD took 32 days off which has been enough for many NBA players. In his case, it wasn't. Would they have known he would rupture his achilles? No!! No objective scan would tell them and they're not God. They took a risk and they paid dearly for it. If the Warriors are now suddenly classless, that's the media's problem since they want to choose when to call say KD must and must not play. Didn't Curry play through one injury in 2016 after the knee sprain vs Houston? Want he the hero after returning in the Portland game? The media cannot come and play two face here. If he sprained his ankle that game, they'll say it was connected to his knee. He was later scheduled to have surgery after that finals but it didn't matter to the media because he played well in the Portland series. Iggy was ruled out with his back issue, Bogut was out too and those guys weren't forced to play. It's a big issue because it happened to KD in the finals which Warriors ended up losing. Isaiah Thomas case with the Celtics is where the media can pull this two face.

Klay's situation was no one's fault. Almighty LeBron would go down injured if he landed with toes pointed out and knees in like Klay did. Danny Green made sure he gave him no chance to score.

Same thing I said. Same thing Iggy said. And yes, it's not limited to the Warriors. There is pressure on players to tough it out and play no matter what. The flip side of such pressures and risks is what happend to KD.

When you go the Kawhi route and damn that expectation and pressure to protect yourself as a player, you risk everything.

DeeMain:
If KD is determined to play(again because of the pressures he feels) then that is a possibility.

But we know now he wasn't good to go.

Prove this uncle without using possibilities or probably. You could be good to go 2 weeks after a calf strain. You can never be good to go in 3 months if you fully rupture your achilles. Don't be too confident about things you don't know.

He was not misdiagnosed and would have been good to go if it was a grade 1 or grade 11 calf strain.

His doctors will not clear him and if KD wanted to still play, they'll let him know of the consequences if he was to return too soon. KD will not play if a career ending injury could arise from not healing properly from his calf strain going into free agency.

Jump off the fence and just think brother.

DeeMain:
Same thing I said. Same thing Iggy said. And yes, it's not limited to the Warriors. There is pressure on players to tough it out and play no matter what. The flip side of such pressures and risks is what happend to KD.

When you go the Kawhi route and damn that expectation and pressure to protect yourself as a player, you risk everything.

Thank you for saying nothing after claiming the doctors misdiagnosed him. I will try to take you serious. Cos you agreed with Iggy's statement twisted it and managed to land it on KD after all I wrote there about his injury and his doctors clearing him. Perhaps the pressure got KD to rupture his achilles? Or it was the so-called misdiagnosis which only you is/was seeing? Since you didn't address that part.

Explain that flip side for us.

SmooshCHN:
Prove this uncle without using possibilities or probably. You could be good to go 2 weeks after a calf strain. You can never be good to go in 3 months if you fully rupture your achilles. Don't be too confident about things you don't know.

He was not misdiagnosed and would have been good to go if it was a grade 1 or grade 11 calf strain.

His doctors will not clear him and if KD wanted to still play, they'll let him know of the consequences if he was to return too soon. KD will not play if a career ending injury could arise from not healing properly from his calf strain going into free agency.

Jump off the fence and just think brother.

See you shouting he was not misdiagnosed like you or they are omniscient. The best a doctor can say is they did the best they could based on the knowledge available to them and the equipment they had.

Anything else is to play God.

Doctors can misdiagnose my friend.

SmooshCHN:
Thank you for saying nothing after claiming the doctors misdiagnosed him. I will try to take you serious. Cos you agreed with Iggy's statement twisted it and managed to land it on KD after all I wrote there about his injury and his doctors clearing him. Perhaps the pressure got KD to rupture his achilles? Or it was the so-called misdiagnosis which only you is/was seeing? Since you didn't address that part.

Explain that flip side for us.

I said these are possibilities based on the fact KD got injured after they cleared him.

Misdiagnosis of KD's injury is a possibility.

DeeMain:
See you shouting he was not misdiagnosed like you or they are omniscient. The best a doctor can say is they did the best they could based on the knowledge available to them and the equipment they had.

Anything else is to play God.

Doctors can misdiagnose my friend.

Agreed they can but I'll take my chances with believing them and their objective results and opinions over yours. You cannot walk unaided after a ruptured achilles. KD was dunking in practice so what is the misdiagnosis here? Too stubborn to admit you were wrong?

DeeMain:
I said these are possibilities based on the fact KD got injured after they cleared him.

Misdiagnosis of KD's injury is a possibility.

Misdiagnosis of Kevin Wanye Durant's injury from his medical team to the Warriors team and then by the fact that he even played in 4 weeks is impossible. Besides those are people who live and breath in buckets and achilles. The warriors have a achilles specialist sef and you're on NL telling us they misdiagnosed an achilles year after dude hit three pointers and crosses niggás over. A team of more than 12 people, like of two opposite interests and then the client jumping around missed a ruptured achilles. It's impossible and I'm not even playing Obatala.

SmooshCHN:
Misdiagnosis of Kevin Wanye Durant's injury from his medical team to the Warriors team and then by the fact that he even played in 4 weeks is impossible. Besides those are people who live and breath in buckets and achilles. The warriors have a achilles specialist sef and you're on NL telling us they misdiagnosed an achilles year after dude hit three pointers and crosses niggás over. A team of more than 12 people, like of two opposite interests and then the client jumping around missed a ruptured achilles. It's impossible and I'm not even playing Obatala.

Guy, I'm not the only one saying it. Analysts, ex-players and medical consultants have said the same thing on this matter.

SmooshCHN:
Misdiagnosis of Kevin Wanye Durant's injury from his medical team to the Warriors team and then by the fact that he even played in 4 weeks is impossible. Besides those are people who live and breath in buckets and achilles. The warriors have a achilles specialist sef and you're on NL telling us they misdiagnosed an achilles year after dude hit three pointers and crosses niggás over. A team of more than 12 people, like of two opposite interests and then the client jumping around missed a ruptured achilles. It's impossible and I'm not even playing Obatala.

Here is what I wrote before on this KD injury issue here:

The body is a system. The moment he risked his healing calf injury he was risking the entire lower leg system. It could have happened anywhere along the injured right lower limb. He could have aggravated the old or broken a fresh weak link which is what eventually happened.

DeeMain:
Guy, I'm not the only one saying it. Analysts, ex-players and medical consultants have said the same thing on this matter.

I understand the media analyst saying this because those guys make a living from their double standards and milking from every situation. Ex-players that are informed apart from Jay Williams will tell you he was rushed too soon like I'm begging you to switch your argument to.
Please show us medical consultants that told you Kevin Durant's achilles injury was misdiagnosed. Just two.

SmooshCHN:
Thank you for saying nothing after claiming the doctors misdiagnosed him. I will try to take you serious. Cos you agreed with Iggy's statement twisted it and managed to land it on KD after all I wrote there about his injury and his doctors clearing him. Perhaps the pressure got KD to rupture his achilles? Or it was the so-called misdiagnosis which only you is/was seeing? Since you didn't address that part.

Explain that flip side for us.

The flip side is if you rush out too early because you are under pressure or want to form superman you could fall to a career limiting or threatening injury.

The other side of it is fans and management hailing you as a superhuman and a toughie.

But between you and I, it's all a risk.

DeeMain:
Here is what I wrote before on this KD injury issue here:

The body is a system. The moment he risked his healing calf injury he was risking the entire lower leg system. It could have happened anywhere along the injured right lower limb. He could have aggravated the old or broken a fresh weak link which is what eventually happened.

Yes, you're right but I didn't see where you wrote this and then you go on to write this.

1. Doctors can be professionally wrong. It is why patients are advised to go for 2nd and 3rd opinions. At the very least, we now know that the Warrior's doctors and KD's doctors were wrong in their diagnosis.

And then

DeeMain:
Guy, I'm not the only one saying it. Analysts, ex-players and medical consultants have said the same thing on this matter.

Anyways, the media analyst don't know shít like that guy saying KD broke his achilles bone. I'm waiting for you to show us which medical consultants said he was misdiagnosed.

DeeMain:
The flip side is if you rush out too early because you are under pressure or want to form superman you could fall to a career limiting or threatening injury.

The other side of it is fans and management hailing you as a superhuman and a toughie.

But between me and you, it's all a risk.

So now the flip side you're talking about is rushing back early right and not being misdiagnosed by the warriors medical team or KD's medical team?

SmooshCHN:
I understand the media analyst saying this because those guys make a living from their double standards and milking from every situation. Ex-players that are informed apart from Jay Williams will tell you he was rushed too soon like I'm begging you to switch your argument to.
Please show us medical consultants that told you Kevin Durant's achilles injury was misdiagnosed. Just two.

Doctors who have treated such cases have been interviewed and have analysed the injury and many believe he was rushed back too early.

SmooshCHN:
So now the flip side you're talking about is rushing back early right and not being misdiagnosed by the warriors medical team or KD's medical team?

In that post, yes.

SmooshCHN:
Yes, you're right but I didn't see where you wrote this and then you go on to write this.



And then

Anyways, the media analyst don't know shít like that guy saying KD broke his achilles bone. I'm waiting for you to show us which medical consultants said he was misdiagnosed.

If you are told by your doctor that you are cleared to play and good to go, and 13 minutes into a game you have a career threatening injury following an innocuous jump who would you hold responsible?

SmooshCHN:
Yes, you're right but I didn't see where you wrote this and then you go on to write this.

Wrote it earlier in the thread on this same topic, not today.

DeeMain:
Wrote it earlier in the thread on this same topic, not today.

So you're sticking with this now? Alright.

DeeMain:
If you are told by your doctor that you are cleared to play and good to go, and 13 minutes into a game you have a career threatening injury following an innocuous jump who would you hold responsible?

the injury


Show us the consultants who said he was misdiagnosed.

SmooshCHN:
Yes, you're right but I didn't see where you wrote this and then you go on to write this.



And then

Anyways, the media analyst don't know shít like that guy saying KD broke his achilles bone. I'm waiting for you to show us which medical consultants said he was misdiagnosed.

I never said the doctors misdiagnosed an achilles tendon injury as a calf injury.

If a doctor gives an all clear to player and he reinjures himself few minutes later after an innocuous jump that's a misdiagnosis right there. That's what I mean.

Here are some medical opinions on this:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mercurynews.com/2019/06/11/was-kd-sent-back-onto-the-court-too-soon-medical-experts-say-no/amp/

DeeMain:
I never said the doctors misdiagnosed an achilles tendon injury as a calf injury.

If a doctor gives an all clear to player and he reinjures himself few minutes later after an innocuous jump that's a misdiagnosis right there. That's what I mean.

Here are some medical opinions on this:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mercurynews.com/2019/06/11/was-kd-sent-back-onto-the-court-too-soon-medical-experts-say-no/amp/

Dude!! You exposed yourself with this statement.
You said it several times that the Warriors misdiagnosed KD and even said it's normal for doctors to make mistakes. You wrote there yourself that medical consultants said KD was misdiagnosed I told you that you were wrong and should bring proof and you brought this article which further exposes your ignorance on this topic. Please take your time to read that article you copied and pasted. There's no need trying to educate you on this topic since the article clearly states he was not misdiagnosed and even goes further to make an argument that the writer doesn't think he was rushed too soon like I've been saying since day one.

So why are you and the media analyst still blaming the Warriors?

Eruditor, A40, Roland17, Birdman, Sircumalot, Skywalker5 Steady296 can get in here and read this.

On this KD topic, it's over abeg.

KD plays, they say he was forced to return.
He doesn't play, they say the Warriors are trying to show that they didn't need him/ that he wants them to know that they need him.
KD gets injured and it's the Warriors fault.

Anyways, he'll recover fine and I'll be fine if he decides to join the Lakers. It's called Free Agency.

SmooshCHN:
Dude!! You exposed yourself with this statement.
You said it several times that the Warriors misdiagnosed KD and even said it's normal for doctors to make mistakes. You wrote there yourself that medical consultants said KD was misdiagnosed I told you that you were wrong and should bring proof and you brought this article which further exposes your ignorance on this topic. Please take your time to read that article you copied and pasted. There's no need trying to educate you on this topic since the article clearly states he was not misdiagnosed and even goes further to make an argument that the writer doesn't think he was rushed too soon like I've been saying since day one.

So why are you and the media analyst still blaming the Warriors?

Eruditor, A40, Roland17, Birdman, Sircumalot, Skywalker5 Steady296 can get in here and read this.

"Physicians said Durant probably was susceptible to another injury because the leg tends to overload other muscles when recovering from a calf-related issue. Dr. Nirav Pandya, an associate professor of orthopaedic surgery at UC San Francisco, said when there is a weakness in a calf muscle, patients often add pressure to the Achilles tendon to generate force.

“It is not surprising there is going to be an injury on that side,” he added."

This is all I have been saying.

Why are they acting like it's surprising KD injured his achilles then? So they knew the risk?

There were two medical opinions on that link. One supports my view, the other didn't.

So?




And mind you the Dr against my point is even the Jazz's team doctor, Dr Maak, so he should be defending his ilk, right? It's a principle of natural justice that you can't be a judge in your own case.

Innit?

This guy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhq5J-nI3NI

Thanks SmooshCHN and SircumAlot. There is nothing more to say. Bros started from claiming Iggy indicted us. Then switched to well he was saying they misdiagnosed KD. To pressure to play. I just tire. Like you said, when someone watches the Iggy interview with an idea in mind you will read your own idea into whatever he was saying. They will soon say Iggy wanted to leave the club which is why he said what he said. Even when in that same interview he talked about coming back. One thing our bros is also ignoring is that Iggy said KDs injury was either an act of God or a higher power. That very injury could have happened even without a calf strain. You said so when you gave the getting off a bus example. Bros was even saying that KD injury came from jumping. Na dude. He crossed over..and that movement could have caused an achilles for even Steph. It was a freaky injury. Nobody will risk KD back with the hint of an Achilles tendon injury. Nobody.

SmooshCHN:
This guy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhq5J-nI3NI

I stan.

Eruditor:
Thanks SmooshCHN and SircumAlot. There is nothing more to say. Bros started from claiming Iggy indicted us. Then switched to well he was saying they misdiagnosed KD. To pressure to play. I just tire. Like you said, when someone watches the Iggy interview with an idea in mind you will read your own idea into whatever he was saying. They will soon say Iggy wanted to leave the club which is why he said what he said. Even when in that same interview he talked about coming back. One thing our bros is also ignoring is that Iggy said KDs injury was either an act of God or a higher power. That very injury could have happened even without a calf strain. You said so when you gave the getting off a bus example. Bros was even saying that KD injury came from jumping. Na dude. He crossed over..and that movement could have caused an achilles for even Steph. It was a freaky injury. Nobody will risk KD back with the hint of an Achilles tendon injury. Nobody.

There is no winning this argument no matter the amount of evidence or points presented here. I know.

Passion has mythical powers.

It's like trying to argue about religion or denominations. Or debating who is better between Messi and Ronaldo. Or telling a battered woman to leave an abusive relationship.

So, don't come here preaching like you are talking facts and reason. You are a thoroughly invested passionate fan and your core instinct in this debate is 'we die here'.

I understand.

No hard feelings.

Best wishes everyone.

Roland17:
Here is is the full video of the interview if you care to watch. You can skip to 16:15 to hear Iggy's take on KD's injury and the reference he made to his injury last year and how it was underplayed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm14UTodDCw

@ Eruditor
I watched the whole thing. Look he is still a warrior, so he cant come out and be directly abusing the training staff he will be working with next season. But he was specific...someone on the team said he had a bone bruise when what he had was a fracture. He said he had to fight the team on this. There is no way to spin it. He mentioned this when asked about Durant.

In other news, we know part of the reason Mark Jackson was let go. I am not too surprised, he was very vocal about his faith in a hostile environment. I always wondered if someone would challenge him.

So congrats. Your team is wicked and godless

Eruditor:
This one too will say he has a brain. LOL. Opting out of what?

I am waiting for the usually reasonable birdman to respond. I have already accepted that a lot of people on here are not as intelligent as they think they are. The firsttake mugus no different. You are on your own pedestal when it comes to mumulity sha. Carry go.

You think your talking smack makes you sound like you're intelligent? Lol. I know your type. You are even willing to say Einstein is dumb just because you don't agree with him or your small brain can't comprehend what he does or says.

Una still they ontop this matter?

Eruditor:
LOL.



Kneel where you are and ask God for the spirit of understanding.

You sound like a defeated loser who has nothing else to say other than question people's intelligence.

donlittle25:
Una still they ontop this matter?

Boss man.. how far na?