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Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Barristter07: 12:41pm On Jul 10, 2019 |
Emusan: Of course, even when they quoted from the Septuagint which uses the name ?
J in Jeremiah , correct or wrong ? 1 Like |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Emusan(m): 12:43pm On Jul 10, 2019 |
Barristter07: The article from your organization said so! And Yahweh is the correct one ? Yes even your organization agreed on that Maybe you can just tell me YAHWEH is wrong and Jehovah is the correct one! What matters is the Divine name was restored to its right place in the scripture _ the four Hebrew consonants standing for the Divine name are very much RETAINED [YHWH/ JHVH ] With a wrong formulation one and fraudulently inserted into Greek where it didn't appear. Pronunciation is not the issue here since even Jesus is not the correct pronunciation, But are the Four consonants RETAINED ? Pronunciation is an issue Mr brainwashed JWs...that's why even your fraudulent organization try to explain it away and eventually shot herself in the foot by claiming it's not important since God didn't bother to preserve it. The four consonants didn't APPEAR in Jehovah only TWO appear check the pic I attached earlier or below, can you see where you got it wrong?
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Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Barristter07: 12:45pm On Jul 10, 2019 |
Emusan: And Yahweh is the correct Formulation ? 1 Like |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Barristter07: 12:49pm On Jul 10, 2019 |
Emusan: O ma se o The article says it views it as more correct ? Or some people view ?
Agreed that ? I still very much have that quote with me remember!
Would J in Jeroboam, Jeremiah, Jehonadab, Jesus, Joshua, Japheth be viewed as correct ? 1 Like |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Emusan(m): 12:56pm On Jul 10, 2019 |
Barristter07: So why we didn't find the GREEK equivalent of the divine name in any of their writing? Or you'll tell us the Greek manuscripts aren't authentic? J in Jeremiah , correct or wrong ? Is it only J you found wrong their? |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Barristter07: 1:01pm On Jul 10, 2019 |
Emusan: The same way Deluded people like you believed the name doesn't exist in the Septuagint until Older copies that retained the divine name were found. Which shut your mouths, If the Septuagint could be corrupted and the name removed, What stop it from been removed from Greek manuscript's that exist presently ?
You for answer that one first nah, would J in Jeroboam, Jehonadab , Japheth, Joshua, Jesus , Jeremiah, Jeribai be viewed as correct ? 1 Like |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Amujale(m): 1:48pm On Jul 10, 2019 |
Jews did not invent the concept of God, Africans does. Judaism is a manufactured religon. Therefore, it matters not what Jews think about such subject. They built their manufactured religions based on hate, lies, discrimination and unbelievable violence. The biblical Jews are fake, the real Jews are the ones that are the European descendants that practise Judaism. And everyone knows of the great and evil part they played during the Tran Atlantic slave trade and Colonisation, plus, everyone can also see the great cruelty being inflicted on the present day people of Palestine. Judaism does not have any real history further than the 14th century, therefore in my opinion neither does Jews. The ancient or biblical history they try to claim is a false representation, because according to real history, it was the ancient people of Palestine that reside in that region that Abrahamic text makes reference to. That is to say, there was never a group of people known in ancient history as the Isrealites, the authors of the bible simply made that up. There is nothing Godly about that. |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Amujale(m): 1:53pm On Jul 10, 2019 |
Judaism is a manufactured religion. Truth and manufactured religions are complete opposites. Everything about Abrahamic religions is fake. |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by PastorAIO: 1:59pm On Jul 10, 2019 |
Maximus69: Secrets don't change when you preserve them for a long time. Neither do they disappear. As far as the uninitiated are concerned they neither knew 2 thousands years ago, nor 1 thousand years ago, all the way up till today. You all have never known and you will never know. Knowledge of a God's name is not a trifling matter. even before YHWH dropped the name for them (the initiated ) they had to ask again and again. 29Then Jacob asked him, “Please tell me your name.” But he said, “Why is it that you ask my name?” And there he blessed him. 30So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel,g saying, “For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life has been delivered.” Genesis 32 17And Manoah said to the angel of the LORD, “What is your name, so that, when your words come true, we may honor you?” 18And the angel of the LORD said to him, “Why do you ask my name, seeing it is wonderful?” ... Then Manoah knew that he was the angel of the LORD. 22And Manoah said to his wife, “We shall surely die, for we have seen God.” 23But his wife said to him, “If the LORD had meant to kill us, he would not have accepted a burnt offering and a grain offering at our hands, or shown us all these things, or now announced to us such things as these.” Judges 13 etc etc etc It is clear from the bible that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was very reticent about just anybody knowing his name. I don't know why you are bringing up things like whether it should be J or Y. In Hebrew Letters the Tetragrammaton is Yod, Heh, Vau, Heh. Finish. There are 22 letters in the Hebrew alphabet and 26 in the English alphabet, so you can't even compare them and make correlations. Yod people translate Yod to Y other translate it to J. Some would even translate it to I. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Amujale(m): 2:15pm On Jul 10, 2019 |
Emusan: Maybe it has something with the fact that first century Roman aristocrats are the original authors of the Christian Bible. And then the Jews copied the contents of the Christian Bible to create their own versions of the text. |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Amujale(m): 2:36pm On Jul 10, 2019 |
When God created the first humans, it created the first Africans. Humanity began in Africa and then our ancestors went on to populate the rest of the world. Africans are the first people in human history that are capable enough to perceive the concept of God. Africans are the first people to explore and populate all the other 'continents. Africans invented paper and they invented the ink pen. Africans discovered the concepts of literacy. Africans discovered the concepts of numeracy. Civilization began in Africa and then it proceeded to trickle out to the rest of the world. |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Nobody: 3:06pm On Jul 10, 2019 |
PastorAIO: May God bless you bountifully for this wonderful write-up! Because it's clear from this masterpiece that all what the religious groups are propagating is just their THEORIES, so we need to progress to the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of what they're teaching so as to get the BENEFITS! Now, let's progress to the most important aspect of KNOWLEDGE which is WISDOM! ¤Knowledge is the accumulation of useful information! ¤Wisdom is the practical application of accumulated information for lasting benefits! If God has promised to bless his worshippers with vivid achievements, i think such achievements need to be a note worthy sign of authenticity! The name JEHOVAH has been upheld by just one single organization throughout the earth today and it's only this organization that has succeeded in achieving what God promised! Isaiah 2:2-4 |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Nobody: 3:13pm On Jul 10, 2019 |
Amujale:Sorry Sir, all what you're saying is NOT what the OP intends to know or do. Himself and all his folks are castigating one happy global family of peace-loving worshippers commonly known as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! So they will never accord you any relevance since you're no part of their antagonism against the use of the name JEHOVAH! |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by PastorAIO: 3:30pm On Jul 10, 2019 |
Maximus69: I don't quite understand your response or what it has to do with what I've written. Isaiah 2:2-4 promises that Zion will be the tallest mountain in the world. That passage itself is a failure because Mount Everest is still the tallest mountain in the world. And Nations are still fighting wars against other nations. 1 Like |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Nobody: 4:07pm On Jul 10, 2019 |
PastorAIO: Haaaaaaa! That's why you need to go back, read, study,and prayerfully meditate on what's written in the scriptures. Otherwise you'll never notice any of the prophecies during their fulfillments! The text Mountain there isn't to be taken literal Sir! Back in those days, people set up altars on hills and mountains so that whenever they're offering any sacrifice everyone from far and near could notice it! It's to alert people that sacred services are in progress within the community. Jerusalem's Temple was built on the highest part of the city, that's why it's called Mount Zion! Joel 2:32 compared to Revelations 14:1 So Isaiah is saying that pure worship will be lifted up above all other forms of worship so that everyone one can notice it! Matthew 5:14-16 That's why the whole world today are talking about one single organization of happy global family of peace-loving worshippers called Jehovah's Witnesses! We're just about 8.5 million yet in every articles on social media, you'll continue to read one thing or another about JWs. NOT because we've committed any crime but because of our unique, outstanding, unwavering FAITH! As for the other part saying 'nations will not rise against nations, neither will they learn war anymore' Well Jehovah's Witnesses are those nations because we all came from different races across the globe and NONE of us is partaking in any form of military services, neither can you find any of us learning how to kill for any reason whatsoever! Our own Government is one because we're the one Jesus prayed for @ John 17:20-23 So we are just one family! |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Emusan(m): 7:11pm On Jul 10, 2019 |
Barristter07: As usual you're now using style to say the current Greek manuscripts we have aren't authentic.... Just continue to claim Bible has been corrupted.. The same way your organization lies that people have removed the divine name from the Bible but only to be claiming that, version like KJV used the word Jehovah You for answer that one first nah, would J in Jeroboam, Jehonadab , Japheth, Joshua, Jesus , Jeremiah, Jeribai be viewed as correct ? Brainwashed JWs is it only J you found wrong in what I posted? |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Nobody: 8:51pm On Jul 10, 2019 |
Emusan: What is the essence of asking the one you yourself has confirmed as a liar any further question? Of what need is such question again since you can't trust the one you want to ask? Keep deluding yourself with deceptive reasoning. Jacob, Joseph, Jonathan, Jeremiah, Joshua, Josiah, Jehonadab, John, Jesus, James, Jude and so on are found in the same book 'Bible' and still in use till now. Satan did not oppose all those names claiming that the pronunciation is not accurate, but the name of the Author himself is what all of you are against! You can call the name of his son 'Jesus' without a second thought. My friend, since Jesus said his father's name is of great importance to him. Whether pronounced correctly or wrongly is not the case anymore , the owner of the name has said he will forgive all our blunders if only we stick to instructions! If the son says his father's name should be Satisfied and made known, the pronunciation of 'Emusan' can never be an obstacle for anyone who wants to help others with your name as owner of the post Sir! |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Emusan(m): 9:27pm On Jul 10, 2019 |
Maximus69: And yet you replied...without answer the questions.... Isn't that absurd and show your nitwit mind Keep deluding yourself with deceptive reasoning. Keep swimming in the ocean of your brainwashed. Jacob, Joseph, Jonathan, Jeremiah, Joshua, Josiah, Jehonadab, John, Jesus, James, Jude and so on are found in the same book 'Bible' and still in use till now. If not because you're an Olodo with evidence that you don't understand subject matter before dive into it. You won't have talked about PRONUNCIATION here when we're talking about WORD FORMATION from the ROOT WORD. You can call the name of his son 'Jesus' without a second thought. Was Jesus not derive from a root word! This shows again that you don't understand a shit of what we're discussing here but only ranting like a rabies dog. The word Jehovah was WRONGLY FORMULATED that's the point and get that into your dull skull. My friend, since Jesus said his father's name is of great importance to him. Whether pronounced correctly or wrongly is not the case anymore, the owner of the name has said he will forgive all our blunders if only we stick to instructions! Seek to instruction-so why will God gave you a new name and at the same time didn't bother how the name should be pronounced Just look at the thrash you're spewing from mouth just to defend lie... Will you be happy if your son pronounced your name wrongly Did Jesus pronounce the name wrongly or correctly? 1 Like |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Nobody: 9:58pm On Jul 10, 2019 |
Emusan: You see how dubious you're? You cited the name 'Ogun' as example and after seeing that doesn't make sense anymore you switch over to another argument and began your usual name calling! Well i made my little grandson my name sake and he's still battling with the correct pronunciation of my/his name till now, i always feel on top of the world anytime he responds to the question 'what is your name?' though the pronunciation amuses everyone and myself because he's yet to get it. But nobody dares stop him from calling the name i his grandpa gave my little angel because he's just a kid and i'm 100% sure he'll soon get used to it. That's humans for you Sir, talkless JEHOVAH who knew what it cost him to redeem us from sin! John 3:16 For your information Sir, we're going to live forever and there's never going to be a time we'll finish learning all that we need to know about our Grandmaker. Ecclesiastes 3:11 So his name is just what we need now for Salvation {Joel 2:32} and we're already enjoying the BENEFITS now as over 8.5 million are unitedly worshiping together as one happy global family! If you're not seeing the benefits of the name, we're seeing it Sir. And it's reassuring that we're going to get all other benefits just as he has promised! God bless you! |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Emusan(m): 10:39pm On Jul 10, 2019 |
Maximus69: Just like I always say, you lack mental capacity to follow discussion step by step that's why you always deviate from the subject matter and pile up junks of trashes. Anyways, that's how your brain has been wired. I site Ogun based on what your own organization said that the pronunciation of God's name isn't that important that is why God didn't bother to preserve it. Yet the same organization went ahead to claim God's name is important and need to be mentioned everytime even went ahead to name herself with it by claiming to have received this new name (which God didn't bother to preserve it's pronunciation). This is a self contradictory statements. Well i made my little grandson my name sake and he's still battling with the correct pronunciation of my/his name till now, i always feel on top of the world anytime he responds to the question 'what is your name?' though the pronunciation amuses everyone and myself because he's yet to get it. But nobody dares stop him from calling the name i his grandpa gave my little angel because he's just a kid and i'm 100% sure he'll soon get used to it. Will you be happy if you spent huge amount on your child only for him to be pronouncing the Word "English" wrongly Hypocrite! That's humans for you Sir, talkless JEHOVAH who knew what it cost him to redeem us from sin! John 3:16 See how ridiculous you sound! It cost Jehovah much to redeem us but just a name Jehovah is now holding against us. Since Jehovah didn't bother on how I pronounce His name, then what is wrong of me calling Him Lord or God Why are you accusing those who change the divine name to Lord and God of wrong doing? If Lord and God isn't correct name and Jehovah isn't correct pronunciation, what's the different [s]For your information Sir, we're going to live forever and there's never going to be a time we'll finish learning all that we need to know about our Grandmaker. Ecclesiastes 3:11 Shove that into your scrotum! God bless you! Why not Jehovah? 1 Like |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by johnw47: 12:41am On Jul 11, 2019 |
Maximus69: habitual lying™ max there is no magic in the name of the LORD(Jehovah) as you false jw's seem to think salvation is by grace through faith, Eph_2:8, calling upon the name of the LORD at that terrible time yet to come shows who their faith is in, that is why they will be saved, their faith Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: Joe 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. Joe 2:30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. Joe 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Barristter07: 1:34am On Jul 11, 2019 |
Emusan: Since you can't tackle the Facts , you resort to rants ?
Even the J you are yet to prove wrong. The question is still there ! 2 Likes |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Emusan(m): 6:23am On Jul 11, 2019 |
Barristter07: And where are the facts and who presented them? Even the J you are yet to prove wrong. The question is still there ! Did you prove my post wrong first before you talk about J Mr hypocrite? |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Nobody: 6:59am On Jul 11, 2019 |
Emusan: Satan is just an evil genius that can blind people easily with pride and prejudice! Now listen to yourself, what my grandson is battling with is the pronunciation of my/his name which i gave him at birth and insisted that everyone must call my grandson! Sir, the word 'English' connotes just a language that's spoken by people not correlating with this. And the language is not important to God otherwise he would have objected to writing parts of his word in Aramaic even Christians to have written the gospel accounts of his son in GREEK! JEHOVAH spent so much to redeem OBEDIENT mankind and spoke from heaven telling whoever wants to OBEY him saying 'this is my beloved son, whom i have approved, LISTEN to him' Matthew 17:5 And this same son insisted on making use of HIS FATHER'S NAME! Matthew 6:9 John 17:6,26 Haba, if my grandson isn't pronouncing the name correctly, that's not a problem. But the problem is asking him to stop calling the name when i the one bearing it insisted it shouldn't be left out! Isaiah 42:8 All you needed to do is just to ask 'why did those Jews have to hide God's personal name?' Well it's due to the fact that JEHOVAH swore by himself that his name will not be called upon by Jews who have refused to glorify his name in Jerusalem only to run to Egypt and start profaning his name amongst PAGANS in an oath! Jeremiah 44:26 That's why Jesus {God's son} warned his TRUE followers not to swear at all NOT even in JEHOVAH'S holy name! Matthew 5:33-37 So come, drop all these ego and arrogance, and let's teach you what's in our book,the book before all other books, God's word THE BIBLE! 1 Like |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Nobody: 7:29am On Jul 11, 2019 |
@Emusan I know it's so painful seeing that the group you've been vilifying all these while has turn out to have gotten divine favour! Genesis 4:5 Notice the intensity of rage inside you and how you're responding each time you sight JWs! Genesis 4:6-7 Please calm down to have a rethink of all these because it's not going to help you in anyway. Jehovah have chosen this people and whoever is bent on cursing them is doing so at his own perils! Genesis 12:3 Just see how you vehemently ruled out the sweet promises of everlasting life God gave his people from time immemorial! Psalms 37:29, Proverbs 2:22 It's now obvious that the spirit dwelling in you is the one driving your thoughts, words and actions. If it's the spirit of God, your heart will always be filled with LOVE, JOY and PEACE! Philippians 4:7 But if it's not God's spirit, then all what you'll be having in your mind is bitterness towards Jehovah's Witnesses who are simply discharging their duties as assigned by their God! Act 5:38-39 If they're for Satan as you often say, let God judge that because at the rate you're going, you might end up one day killing JWs out of envy! Genesis 4:8 compared to John 16:2 God bless you! 1 Like |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Barristter07: 8:22am On Jul 11, 2019 |
Emusan:To disgrace yourself dey hungry you. Was the name removed from the later copies of the Greek Septuagint ? The idiot is even asking for Greek Equivalent, what was the Greek equivalent used in the Greek Septuagint ?
The question is still there ! U lack knowledge of the subject u dived 1 Like |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Nobody: 8:41am On Jul 11, 2019 |
Barristter07: All he needed to do is remove racism out from his mind so that he can see spiritually! It's racism that's blurring their minds from identifying God's chosen group! They're thinking we are following Americans, while they're following their black daddy and mummy GOs, just as religionists in Russia have misled most of their people to think JWs amongst them are in support of America! Whereas God's word foretold that faithful humans in the endtime will RECOGNISE spiritual Jews and cling unto them for Salvation! Zachariah 8:23 I just pity them when they're saying 'Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus mediates for 144,000 only, while those ones mediates for the rest of mankind' so to them, Jesus supposed to mediate DIRECTLY between God and every man! So what's the import of Zachariah's prophecy about ten men grabbing the skirt of a Jew now that natural Jews themselves don't even accept Jesus {the horn of salvation} Whenever i remember all of these, i just can't thank you guys enough for all those sacrifices you made to help me! God will bless you people again and again and again for me ooooooooo! |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by johnw47: 8:50am On Jul 11, 2019 |
endogenous lying™ max it's become clear that someone here is indeed mental, a insane o Maximus69: Maximus69: Maximus69: Maximus69: ^^^ yeah sure false jw max, i can see that just by your few posts here, laugh Maximus69: yeah lying max, there is definitely a insane o here |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Emusan(m): 9:50am On Jul 11, 2019 |
Barristter07: If not because you're so dull you asked a question and you called it FACTS is that what you were taught fact is Meanwhile, we're talking about Greek manuscripts of the NT that we have. Does the name appear there or use by any NT writers? The question is still there ! U lack knowledge of the subject u dived Just as my point still there not refuted. And you lack understand couple with wisdom. |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Barristter07: 12:51pm On Jul 11, 2019 |
Emusan: Your inability to answer that question was what points to the Fact.
Are they the originals ? Just as the name disappeared from late copies of Septuagint . Which Greek Equivalent of the divine name appear in the original Septuagint quoted by the apostles in their writings?
Not refuted ? Tell if J in Jeremiah , Jehonadab is correct or not ? 1 Like |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Barristter07: 1:02pm On Jul 11, 2019 |
Maximus69: The point the extremely ignorant person was stressing is that the name never appeared in Greek NT , simply because to do so would require a Greek equivalent in his small Mind, This point lacks relevance because even the Greek Septuagint quoted by the apostles had the divine name retained , Which point to the fact that the apostles use the name in their writings. Adding credence to this weight is the Fact that Later copies of Septuagint Removed the name like its done in the NT manuscript's , Until Later when an older version of the Septuagint was found which retained the divine name in Hebrew characters . This Fraud discovered reveal that the Greek manuscript's were tampered with. 1 Like |
Re: Is Jehovah / Jehova The True Name Of God? by Nobody: 1:29pm On Jul 11, 2019 |
Barristter07: But who will open their brains to download all these info? Well thanks bro, i already gone through all of that. It's just pointless arguing with someone who wants to convince himself that you're wrong. Because even if you direct him to research materials, he will discard the idea of checking in order not encounter the shock of having to come back and kiss your feet to say 'Thank you'! |
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