Astark:
your brain is like peanut, you devil agent.

It takes only a peanut brain to identify a peanut brain alike. Are you tryna tell me that you have a peanut brain upstairs too?
To be frank with you, it's not good to be provoked over a little argument. You really need to grow up.

Astark:
na relaxer and dust full your brain

And u my dear, is exactly like the politicians we have in Nigeria.
Where we have men but animals are better coordinated.
So shameful.
Men or small children like u will grow up to become like the present crop of leaders we have with less than average IQ.

So low in IQ that they still allow superstition to guide them.
So low that one particular tribes are sweeping the country away, all they do is come online and rant, waiting for their wives and mothers to fight for them.
So low that they use their last breath to defend corrupt politicians online.

Ediots like u that have no shame.
Coward.
This is the type that will one day become a ruler when he can't think deep.
Cursed people with cursed nation.

CodeTemplar:

You are quick to attribute the success of America to those currently in charge but I think the right thing to do would be to examine those who drove the industrialization and advancement there. Have you imagined why Isaac Newton isn't named Isa Newton or why Michael Faraday isn't named Mukhail Faraday?

Well I believe you can figure that out sir.

Religion is a concept but to me, Christianity when done well is the reality.

No sir i havent figured out why their names were Isaac and Michael, i assume that since they were born in Europe in the 16th and 17th century, their names should have been Ifagbemi and Ogunribigbe, Lmao
And pls tell us who drove the technological advancement of the united states from the onset, was it the pope and the roman catholic church? I bet not
 If you go back in history you will find that the united states from its onset was founded on the 'American Dream' and if you read about the American Dream you will know its not about the second coming of jesus but that it is about freedom for everyone; freedom of believe and lifestyle. This is in stack contrast to the Roman catholic church in Europe that tried as much as possible to suppress science and intellectuals because they nullify the teachings of the church and the existence of God. They tried to kill gallileo for his findings that the earth is round which was against the teachings of the church and the bible.
Ever since America became an independent nation, it has always encouraged science and innovations, and welcomed great minds from all over the world irrespective of their personal believes, even Albert Eistein found refuge in the united states. And what do we have today? the internet, the airplane, personal computer, cell phone, microchip, etc accounting for a lion share of greatest inventions coming out from the united states alone in comparision to the rest of the world.
Science was almost completely killed off during the dark age (middle age) in Europe by the roman catholic church and not until the church lost its power (which was gradually) that great minds were able to start coming out and publishing their findings and continue with scientific findings and scientific breakthroughs and inventions began to be discovered once again.
So what exactly is your point in trying to associate or commend scientific breakthroughs on christianity, a religion that is total dogma. If you claim you are a christian you should know you have your root and beginnings and you stem from the roman catholic church, they compiled the bible you read with all the stories in it, infact the catholic bible contains more books than the one you use and why was the church founded and the bible compiled? And by who? Go back in history and find out

Makschinchin:


Did you just say that "The whites are not into religion anymore because they know it was all staged and setup" , you are wrong sir.. They still have a whole lot into it.. Do your research right

BTW, if you say their religion is now science and technology, how have those who left religion here in Nigeria moved the country forward scientifically and technologically?? If you can answer this question correctly you will know that it's a leadership problem and not a Religion thing.

white kept religion aside and put themselves. Read renaissance period. "Religion is the opium of the masses"

Thugaa:

No sir i havent figured out why their names were Isaac and Michael, i assume that since they were born in Europe in the 16th and 17th century, their names should have been Ifagbemi and Ogunribigbe, Lmao
And pls tell us who drove the technological advancement of the united states from the onset, was it the pope and the roman catholic church? I bet not
 If you go back in history you will find that the united states from its onset was founded on the 'American Dream' and if you read about the American Dream you will know its not about the second coming of jesus but that it is about freedom for everyone; freedom of believe and lifestyle. This is in stack contrast to the Roman catholic church in Europe that tried as much as possible to suppress science and intellectuals because they nullify the teachings of the church and the existence of God. They tried to kill gallileo for his findings that the earth is round which was against the teachings of the church and the bible.
Ever since America became an independent nation, it has always encouraged science and innovations, and welcomed great minds from all over the world irrespective of their personal believes, even Albert Eistein found refuge in the united states. And what do we have today? the internet, the airplane, personal computer, cell phone, microchip, etc accounting for a lion share of greatest inventions coming out from the united states alone in comparision to the rest of the world.
Science was almost completely killed off during the dark age (middle age) in Europe by the roman catholic church and not until the church lost its power (which was gradually) that great minds were able to start coming out and publishing their findings and continue with scientific findings and scientific breakthroughs and inventions began to be discovered once again.
So what exactly is your point in trying to associate or commend scientific breakthroughs on christianity, a religion that is total dogma. If you claim you are a christian you should know you have your root and beginnings and you stem from the roman catholic church, they compiled the bible you read with all the stories in it, infact the catholic bible contains more books than the one you use and why was the church founded and the bible compiled? And by who? Go back in history and find out

And these great minds are ifabunmi and okijaeze abi? You confuse epistle for sound argument and irrelevant facts for salient points.

CodeTemplar:

Stop blaming religion.
Before religion we were selling ourselves to white men in exchange for dry gin and mirror. That same attitude is our problem. Why haven't the blacks who were migrated to America and Europe advanced more than their more religious brethren left behind in Africa?

If you dig deep you will discover that most technological breakthrough in the industrial age were directly traceable to Christians or religious folks like Michael Faraday, Isaac Newton and co.

Religion in fact when practiced well is the catalyst for human advancements.

We need to start taking responsibility for what we are going through instead of blaming religion and God.

Look at out refineries for example, we have so much oil that can engage as much as 1 million extra hands when refined but we choose to export them raw and blame God/religion as though God didn't give us oil. Same goes for farming also. We have good whether and water but choose to ignore those only to blame God for the sufferings of poor people. Yet when it is time to steal we deny God.

Cc: Thugaa

I'm yet to get a direct and clear answer as to how Religion is the cause of Nigeria's problems/backwardness today

Makschinchin:


Cc: Thugaa

I'm yet to get a direct and clear answer as to how Religion is the cause of Nigeria's problems/backwardness today

With everything i ve written, if you still havent gotten it then you have a long way to go

CodeTemplar:

Stop blaming religion.
Before religion we were selling ourselves to white men in exchange for dry gin and mirror. That same attitude is our problem. Why haven't the blacks who were migrated to America and Europe advanced more than their more religious brethren left behind in Africa?

If you dig deep you will discover that most technological breakthrough in the industrial age were directly traceable to Christians or religious folks like Michael Faraday, Isaac Newton and co.

Religion in fact when practiced well is the catalyst for human advancements.

We need to start taking responsibility for what we are going through instead of blaming religion and God.

Look at out refineries for example, we have so much oil that can engage as much as 1 million extra hands when refined but we choose to export them raw and blame God/religion as though God didn't give us oil. Same goes for farming also. We have good whether and water but choose to ignore those only to blame God for the sufferings of poor people. Yet when it is time to steal we deny God.

Many of you evangelical and militant christians on this thread have failed to address any of the issue at hand. Your response to Thugaa has exposes you know near nothing about the history of Africa, and lack understanding of concept of Development. The discussion is targeted at Religion and African development, my dear friend is battling with Christianity and Europeans. How does the two correlate?

For educational purposes, Africans have their indigenous religion system before they had contact with the Europeans. The question we need to ask is if the religion and spiritual system benefitted them in term of social development, the answer is YES. Africans were able to treat diseases, build magnificent structures, studied the movement of stars, create a balanced trading system. For example, the Egyptians were able to build the Pyramid and Sphinx (one of the wonders of the world), iron smelting across Africa is a testament to technological growth, the Beni kingdom wall (largest earthwork in the world), and the Ijebu city wall...These are example of structural growth that all have spirituality fingerprints. The Dogons were able to detail far stars. They identified and detailed Sirius B many hundred of years before Europeans could develop telescope. In the aspect of trading, Africans sold gold, copper, kola nut, cotton, fabric, palm oil and livestock to the world.

A quick look into books would educate you that Europeans invented slave trading. It is true that there is slavery in Africa. Those slaves are mostly SERFS who are indebted, war prisoner/captive, criminals, immigrants or refugees. The SERFS are paid a little amount of wages to work on some portion of lands, or get married to Chiefs, and in most cases, serve as servants with the right to own their properties. Serfdom is predominant in Africa. These are not slaves, and not sold. Europeans introduced the barbaric system of exchanging human for valuables.

One begin to wonder if Isaac Newton and Michael Faraday became great scientist because they bear Christian names. You, CodeTemplar could have discovered the step to development and your findings show the bearing a christian name or practising a particular religion is the answer. Really pathetic.

Their scientific contributions would have been ascribed to Christianity if it was done by/in the church or in accordance with the Bible law. You may have forgotten that the church killed Galileo when his findings contradicted their bible claim. Church held that Earth is flat, Galileo found out that it is spherical, hence he was killed for apostasy. That is the impact of religion on science, killings of scientists.

What passage in the bible did Michael Faraday read before he came up with his invention? Which particular verse in the bible guided Isaac Newton to his discovery? A glance into the bible will show you where Jehovah explained how to cure Leprosy, why hasn't WHO adopted the method if it were realistic? What verse in the Bible capture how one can build a machine? So I wonder what fallacy you are talking about as if Michael Faraday was praying in the church everyday and night instead of been in the lab. I wonder if Isaac Newton was reading through the pages of the bible where he found his theories.


I WILL APPRECIATE IT IF YOU CAN HIGHLIGHT THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF CHRISTIANITY TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF NIGERIA.

While doing that, please not that this same religion introduced Slave trading, and supported the barbaric act with bible.

Also note that same religion breeds hatred, divide, disharmony nd create not very peaceful atmosphere, same bible instructed to hate those who are not of God.

Also note that our bible introduced racial discrimination, that have degenerated into ethnicity and tribalism. Israel God is for Israel only, Jesus was sent to the Jew. Discrimination right?

Note also that your religion introduced terrorism. You can start reading up on the history of terrorism.

Note that your religion introduced genocide and infanticide. This practice is still found across Africa today and in Nigeria. Little children are killed in hundred of thousands in the name of not sparing life of witch. An instruction from bible.

FOLYKAZE:


Many of you evangelical and militant christians on this thread have failed to address any of the issue at hand. Your response to Thugaa has exposes you know near nothing about the history of Africa, and lack understanding of concept of Development. The discussion is targeted at Religion and African development, my dear friend is battling with Christianity and Europeans. How does the two correlate?

For educational purposes, Africans have their indigenous religion system before they had contact with the Europeans. The question we need to ask is if the religion and spiritual system benefitted them in term of social development, the answer is YES. Africans were able to treat diseases, build magnificent structures, studied the movement of stars, create a balanced trading system. For example, the Egyptians were able to build the Pyramid and Sphinx (one of the wonders of the world), iron smelting across Africa is a testament to technological growth, the Beni kingdom wall (largest earthwork in the world), and the Ijebu city wall...These are example of structural growth that all have spirituality fingerprints. The Dogons were able to detail far stars. They identified and detailed Sirius B many hundred of years before Europeans could develop telescope. In the aspect of trading, Africans sold gold, copper, kola nut, cotton, fabric, palm oil and livestock to the world.

A quick look into books would educate you that Europeans invented slave trading. It is true that there is slavery in Africa. Those slaves are mostly SERFS who are indebted, war prisoner/captive, criminals, immigrants or refugees. The SERFS are paid a little amount of wages to work on some portion of lands, or get married to Chiefs, and in most cases, serve as servants with the right to own their properties. Serfdom is predominant in Africa. These are not slaves, and not sold. Europeans introduced the barbaric system of exchanging human for valuables.

One begin to wonder if Isaac Newton and Michael Faraday became great scientist because they bear Christian names. You, CodeTemplar could have discovered the step to development and your findings show the bearing a christian name or practising a particular religion is the answer. Really pathetic.

Their scientific contributions would have been ascribed to Christianity if it was done by/in the church or in accordance with the Bible law. You may have forgotten that the church killed Galileo when his findings contradicted their bible claim. Church held that Earth is flat, Galileo found out that it is spherical, hence he was killed for apostasy. That is the impact of religion on science, killings of scientists.

What passage in the bible did Michael Faraday read before he came up with his invention? Which particular verse in the bible guided Isaac Newton to his discovery? A glance into the bible will show you where Jehovah explained how to cure Leprosy, why hasn't WHO adopted the method if it were realistic? What verse in the Bible capture how one can build a machine? So I wonder what fallacy you are talking about as if Michael Faraday was praying in the church everyday and night instead of been in the lab. I wonder if Isaac Newton was reading through the pages of the bible where he found his theories.


I WILL APPRECIATE IT IF YOU CAN HIGHLIGHT THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF CHRISTIANITY TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF NIGERIA.

While doing that, please not that this same religion introduced Slave trading, and supported the barbaric act with bible.

Also note that same religion breeds hatred, divide, disharmony nd create not very peaceful atmosphere, same bible instructed to hate those who are not of God.

Also note that our bible introduced racial discrimination, that have degenerated into ethnicity and tribalism. Israel God is for Israel only, Jesus was sent to the Jew. Discrimination right?

Note also that your religion introduced terrorism. You can start reading up on the history of terrorism.

Note that your religion introduced genocide and infanticide. This practice is still found across Africa today and in Nigeria. Little children are killed in hundred of thousands in the name of not sparing life of witch. An instruction from bible.

I have heard these stale narrative before. I have heard about the phantom skyscrapers, I have heard about our equally phantom mathematical progress whereas most African tribes don't have number system and when they do it hardly goes beyond 150, I have heard about how people sacrificed whole human being to gods for small diseases like typhoid and malaria or even oil spill into rivers. I have heard about how with all our phantom advancements most African tribes were naked and wore leaves until even some 150 years ago.
I have heard of how we were selling ourselves for dry gin and mirrors. I have heard of how the whites subdued us with far inferior technologies than those ego-massaging ones you have up there.

You go to Egypt that had element of European input and take some achievements there then generalize with all the tribes in Africa that didn't even have even number system and expect me to take you serious. You talk of trade system that only came as close as Kano ( a border town north ) and expect me to fall for it equally. If you want to nullify my points about religion not having negative effect on European and American development, then let us also factor in the fact that what happens in Egypt, Sudan and Mali were most of those your phantom African achievement took place doesn't affect what's going on in Nigeria, central Africa, east Africa and southern Africa.
I insist religion isn't the problem but the people.

CodeTemplar:
I have heard these stale narrative before. I have heard about the phantom skyscrapers, I have heard about our equally phantom mathematical progress whereas most African tribes don't have number system and when they do it hardly goes beyond 150, I have heard about how people sacrificed whole human being to gods for small diseases like typhoid and malaria or even oil spill into rivers. I have heard about how with all our phantom advancements most African tribes were naked and wore leaves until even some 150 years ago.
I have heard of how we were selling ourselves for dry gin and mirrors. I have heard of how the whites subdued us with far inferior technologies than those ego-massaging ones you have up there.

You go to Egypt that had element of European input and take some achievements there then generalize with all the tribes in Africa that didn't even have even number system and expect me to take you serious. You talk of trade system that only came as close as Kano ( a border town north ) and expect me to fall for it equally. If you want to nullify my points about religion not having negative effect on European and American development, then let us also factor in the fact that what happens in Egypt, Sudan and Mali were most of those your phantom African achievement took place doesn't affect what's going on in Nigeria, central Africa, east Africa and southern Africa.
I insist religion isn't the problem but the people.

Whilst I agree with you that religion is not the problem of Nigeria, I hope you are not implying the region known as Nigeria today was a backward country prior to the slave trade and colonial era.

Why people think that religion is the problem of Nigeria, is because they are oblivious to the fact that both good people and bad people are religious.

When wicked people (be it Christians, Muslims or Traditionalists) commit bad acts, they blame the religion. When good people irrespective of their background do good things, I wonder why critics don't praise the religion of such a person.

I will say this over and again. Take away tribal differences and religion, a wicked and selfish person will still find excuses to continue in wickedness. A good person will still person will still want to do what is right.

Nigeria is where it is because most of its leaders are selfish and wicked. And majority of the followers are not too different, despite the fact that it is a "religious" country...

Fact check: The billions of dollars Nigeria generated from sale of crude oil from 1958 till 2014; an equivalent of one-quarter of that money was what Europe spent to repair its infrastructures after the carnage of the second world war. Now tell me why Nigeria is still backward. Is it religion? or just sheer greed and wickedness...

FOLYKAZE:




A quick look into books would educate you that Europeans invented slave trading. It is true that there is slavery in Africa. Those slaves are mostly SERFS who are indebted, war prisoner/captive, criminals, immigrants or refugees. The SERFS are paid a little amount of wages to work on some portion of lands, or get married to Chiefs, and in most cases, serve as servants with the right to own their properties. Serfdom is predominant in Africa. These are not slaves, and not sold. Europeans introduced the barbaric system of exchanging human for valuables.

One begin to wonder if Isaac Newton and Michael Faraday became great scientist because they bear Christian names. You, CodeTemplar could have discovered the step to development and your findings show the bearing a christian name or practising a particular religion is the answer. Really pathetic.

Point to where I implied or claimed that the christian names of Isaac Newton and Michael Faraday is responsible for their achievements.
You twist my words then reply to it with partly irrelevant data and partly exergerated facts. That doesn't sway me a bit.

While I await that, the fact that European invented slave trade doesn't in anyway negate the fact that those phantom achievement you listed were subdued with allegedly inferior ones.

OkCornel:


Whilst I agree with you that religion is not the problem of Nigeria, I hope you are not implying the region known as Nigeria today was a backward country prior to the slave trade and colonial era.

Nigeria was as backwards as hell. If you think one phantom wall in Benin now exonerates all 250 tribes/ethnic groups, have a rethink.

CodeTemplar:
I have heard these stale narrative before. I have heard about the phantom skyscrapers, I have heard about our equally phantom mathematical progress whereas most African tribes don't have number system and when they do it hardly goes beyond 150, I have heard about how people sacrificed whole human being to gods for small diseases like typhoid and malaria or even oil spill into rivers. I have heard about how with all our phantom advancements most African tribes were naked and wore leaves until even some 150 years ago.
I have heard of how we were selling ourselves for dry gin and mirrors. I have heard of how the whites subdued us with far inferior technologies than those ego-massaging ones you have up there.

You go to Egypt that had element of European input and take some achievements there then generalize with all the tribes in Africa that didn't even have even number system and expect me to take you serious. You talk of trade system that only came as close as Kano ( a border town north ) and expect me to fall for it equally. If you want to nullify my points about religion not having negative effect on European and American development, then let us also factor in the fact that what happens in Egypt, Sudan and Mali were most of those your phantom African achievement took place doesn't affect what's going on in Nigeria, central Africa, east Africa and southern Africa.
I insist religion isn't the problem but the people.

Your response overtime shows your level of ignorance. The discussion has been a simple one. From onset, the subject of discussion focuses on Religion and it contribution to African development. In order to help you from posting out of sense, I have asked you to tell us HOW RELIGION - CHRISTIANITY HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFRICA, USE NIGERIA AS YOUR YARDSTICK. Mr CodeTemplar, remain in course.

I wouldn't have countered your baseless argument but allowing your ignorance to overshadow fact will be the greatest undoing. I mentioned that Africans built sophisticated buildings before they had contact with Europeans. Some of the artifacts mentioned are Sphinx and Pyramid in Egypt, Benin (present Edo state) empire wall, Sungbo Eredo wall (in present Ijebu) and other great standing artifacts across Africa. These structures were designed on the spiritual system of the land. I didn't make it up, these are documented facts.

Mathematics is formed on the concept of number, magnitude, and form. The evidence of mathematical calculations was found encrypted on a in artifact in Congo dating back to 20,000yrs ago. Europeans contact with African world date back to 14century, that is 1300 yrs ago. Pythagoras, who is renowned as the author of mathematical theorem studied in Egypt, Africa. If you have any shred of educational experience, you would know that Yoruba people have a numbering system on base 5. This gives the reason why they have to add/subtract 1-5 to arrive at a whole number. To get to 16, they count 20 - 4. To arrive at 92, they count (20 x 5 - 10) + 2. With this number base counting, they can arrive at any infinite end. I will agree that a blockhead like you cannot understand the complex counting system of the Yoruba people. How then would you understand the divination base 2 system or other system found in Africa? It is a shame you came up with fallacy that counting system doesn't exceed 150, 200 in Yoruba is Igba, 400 is Irun or Igba meji. You should study the sophistication of the numbering.

Another fallacy, you claimed Africans sacrificed human to heal a disease. Your ignorance is nothing new, and I am upto to the job of exposing it. Go and read about Yoruba deity called Soponna. Also read about Onesimus (Boston slave). What do I want to draw out from Soponna and Onesimus? Soponna is the deity of small-pox. The disease was developed in Africa to wage war against enemy states, a form of biological warfare. The priest who developed this virus also knew the cure. When the Europeans came to Africa, they contact small-pox and the disease nearly killed all of the Settlers in Boston. It took the intervention of Onesimus, a slave from Africa to come with the cure. The small pox vaccine was an idea of African. This tells that Africans mastered medicine and this process is deep rooted in their spirituality. If you don't, surgery starts from Africa.

But seriously, I can't touch many other fallacies you vomited. Clothing date back over 100,000yrs. Sewing needle found was found in cave dating back to 30,000yrs. Yoruba people own clothing industry called Adire before they meet Europeans. So what the hell are you talking about?

I have brought this counter argument to buttress that Africans, Nigerians, Yorubas are doing very well before Europeans came. The sporadic growth in Oyo empire during 1700 yrs ago into 1800 shows steady and progressive growth, a trend for development.

It is however pathetic that you could ignore the problems listed that are caused by your religion which has freeze our development. The stagnation of African development starts and ends with Christianity and Islam. The problems are too numerous.

ONCE AGAIN, I WILL APPRECIATE IT IF YOU CAN HIGHLIGHT THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF CHRISTIANITY TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF NIGERIA.
While doing that, please not that this same religion introduced Slave trading, and supported the barbaric act with bible.
Also note that same religion breeds hatred, divide, disharmony nd create not very peaceful atmosphere, same bible instructed to hate those who are not of God.
Also note that our bible introduced racial discrimination, that have degenerated into ethnicity and tribalism. Israel God is for Israel only, Jesus was sent to the Jew. Discrimination right?
Note also that your religion introduced terrorism. You can start reading up on the history of terrorism.
Note that your religion introduced genocide and infanticide. This practice is still found across Africa today and in Nigeria. Little children are killed in hundred of thousands in the name of not sparing life of witch. An instruction from bible.

CodeTemplar:

Point to where I implied or claimed that the christian names of Isaac Newton and Michael Faraday is responsible for their achievements.
You twist my words then reply to it with partly irrelevant data and partly exergerated facts. That doesn't sway me a bit.

You shouldn't have challenged me. These are your words

CodeTemplar:

Have you imagined why Isaac Newton isn't named Isa Newton or why Michael Faraday isn't named Mukhail Faraday?

Thugaa had the wealth of patience for engaging you after you submitted that garbage above. It is your theory, from your own words that Michael Faraday make great discoveries because he bear Michael, and not Mukhail

CodeTemplar:

While I await that, the fact that European invented slave trade doesn't in anyway negate the fact that those phantom achievement you listed were subdued with allegedly inferior ones.

It would like to say Pan-Africans will celebrate if Slave trade can be reintroduced so that you and your entire family can be sold to Europe since you applaud slavery. But let me be civil.

Sustained growth is what brings development. Europe didn't achieve anything that subdue African development. As a matter of fact, scientific development is universal, not someone's title.

For an umpteenth time, tell us how your religion has contributed to the development of Africa.

I once thought religion/tribe plays Some major role in Africans backwardness, it looked like it really does but that's not true. If you can open your mind you'll realize africans are naturally poor minded, take religion, tribe or government away, we'll still be in same situation.

FOLYKAZE:


You shouldn't have challenged me. These are your words



Thugaa had the wealth of patience for engaging you after you submitted that garbage above. It is your theory, from your own words that Michael Faraday make great discoveries because he bear Michael, and not Mukhail



It would like to say Pan-Africans will celebrate if Slave trade can be reintroduced so that you and your entire family can be sold to Europe since you applaud slavery. But let me be civil.

Sustained growth is what brings development. Europe didn't achieve anything that subdue African development. As a matter of fact, scientific development is universal, not someone's title.

For an umpteenth time, tell us how your religion has contributed to the development of Africa.

You are clearly not an upright character worthy of exchange of words with even on a faceless forum.
Tell me how does me asking about why Isaac isn't Isa translates to saying or implying that The name Isaac made the character brilliant? Even if it meant you are right, which you aren't, my comment your quoted before the last one clearly shattered that ambiguity or doubt. Here is my comment you initially quoted when accusing me wrongly before replying to it.

Stop blaming religion.
Before religion we were selling ourselves to white men in exchange for dry gin and mirror. That same attitude is our problem. Why haven't the blacks who were migrated to America and Europe advanced more than their more religious brethren left behind in Africa?

If you dig deep you will discover that most technological breakthrough in the industrial age were directly traceable to Christians or religious folks like Michael Faraday, Isaac Newton and co.
Religion in fact when practiced well is the catalyst for human advancements.

We need to start taking responsibility for what we are going through instead of blaming religion and God.

Look at out refineries for example, we have so much oil that can engage as much as 1 million extra hands when refined but we choose to export them raw and blame God/religion as though God didn't give us oil. Same goes for farming also. We have good whether and water but choose to ignore those only to blame God for the sufferings of poor people. Yet when it is time to steal we deny God.

FOLYKAZE:


You shouldn't have challenged me. These are your words



Thugaa had the wealth of patience for engaging you after you submitted that garbage above. It is your theory, from your own words that Michael Faraday make great discoveries because he bear Michael, and not Mukhail



It would like to say Pan-Africans will celebrate if Slave trade can be reintroduced so that you and your entire family can be sold to Europe since you applaud slavery. But let me be civil.

Sustained growth is what brings development. Europe didn't achieve anything that subdue African development. As a matter of fact, scientific development is universal, not someone's title.



For an umpteenth time, tell us how your religion has contributed to the development of Africa.

@underlined
Mr man look you aren't talking to kid. If you have a point, prove it and stop laying the burden of proving your argument or disproving mine on me. You tell us how Christianity has impeded development or how irreligious folks have out performed their religious counterparts. Simple.

@the bold part, Scientific development is universal indeed but very unequal or uneven. In fact some can't stand any rigorous test of time.. Now you are sounding like what I expected. You shouldn't have tried to twist my words then reply to the twisted version or generalize the phantom achievements of Bini kingdom for all 250 ethnic groups in Nigeria. like you stated, sustained growth indeed brings development, but that in itself is another irrelevant fact because the point of contention here is that religion generally impedes African development or cause Africa's backwardness.

adoyi8:
It makes us give priority to unimportant things.
let me tell you a short story:

in late 1990s when Oyinbo parents were buying toys for their kids, we African children were building our toys by ourselves.
During the vacations, My friends and I will go search all the refuse dumps in Samaru, Zaria we I was born. We will look for used batteries and tins to build tin cars and other playthings. You need to see the kind of things we built then. We were little geniuses.

But our parents did not like it because they saw it as a waste of time. My father made me join alter servants association in my church and my muslim friends were forced to go to the Islamiyya. So, while I was made to cram the Catechism book, my muslim friends were cramming the 99 names of Allah instead of using the time to exploit our technical ingenuity.

Imagine all the time Nigerians spend in churches and mosques. If we had used it to build our human capacity, I don't think we will be importing toothpick today.

Today my child hood Hausa friends and I hate each other because of indoctrination that took its effect later.
Instead of coming together to build a better Nigeria like we did as kids, we only care whether the president is from our religion or not.
If you've been wondering who stole the African child's brain then don't worry because I just told you.

Was born in Zaria too... Wusa hospital. Lived in kd duna road, right after pz and went to therbow school

FOLYKAZE:

ONCE AGAIN, I WILL APPRECIATE IT IF YOU CAN HIGHLIGHT THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF CHRISTIANITY TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF NIGERIA.

You don't lay the burden of disproving your argument on me or disproving mine. You do that yourself by proving what you say. And stop twisting my words before replying to them. The fact that I highlighted the christian names of Isaac Newton or Michael Faraday doesn't mean their names gave them wisdom automatically. In fact such religion assumptions is what has led many astray in Christianity in Africa but that doesn't negate the fact that religion isn't our problem.

adoyi8:
It makes us give priority to unimportant things.
let me tell you a short story:

in late 1990s when Oyinbo parents were buying toys for their kids, we African children were building our toys by ourselves.
During the vacations, My friends and I will go search all the refuse dumps in Samaru, Zaria we I was born. We will look for used batteries and tins to build tin cars and other playthings. You need to see the kind of things we built then. We were little geniuses.

But our parents did not like it because they saw it as a waste of time. My father made me join alter servants association in my church and my muslim friends were forced to go to the Islamiyya. So, while I was made to cram the Catechism book, my muslim friends were cramming the 99 names of Allah instead of using the time to exploit our technical ingenuity.


Imagine all the time Nigerians spend in churches and mosques. If we had used it to build our human capacity, I don't think we will be importing toothpick today.

Today my child hood Hausa friends and I hate each other because of indoctrination that took its effect later.
Instead of coming together to build a better Nigeria like we did as kids, we only care whether the president is from our religion or not.
If you've been wondering who stole the African child's brain then don't worry because I just told you.

Your arguments don't complement one another. If your parents made you cram religious stuff, how did that stop you from going out to play out your passion in your spare time? Now that you have realized this seeming 'mistake', what have you achieved?

Op...ur assumption is that people are saying religion is the only cause of Nigeria's backwards.
Religion is just ONE of the numerous reasons why Nigeria is backward.

Here is my take on the problem of religion.

Having a large section of the population who believe their God (despite unseen and unproven) is the reason why they are successful (despite their efforts) and devil (despite unseen and unproven) is the reason why they fail (despite their laziness or mistake) is in itself a huge problem for the country.

Here we have doctors who believe that God heals. People who wait on God for miracle of healing and success. We have leaders who ask us to pray and ask God for solutions that needs common thinking, religious leaders who ask us to pray for corrupt readers and call us to church in Monday morning.

During the Ebola crises, Nigerians thanked God, for the successful aversion of the plague, but didn't ask Gods role in the fact that it eliminated more than half of population of affected countries. They failed to see human effort and improve on it.

Region asked up not to ask questions, accept unfounded teachings and live with unconfimed believes. Thinking in Nigerian is minimal because of religion hence innovation is zero. Religion makes us comfortable with what we are.. After all,God is always I charge. It makes us pray and look unto God and assume everything is all right, hence it makes up fail to see the reality on ground.

Religion makes up pursue unseen and unconfirmed things like heaven and unrealistic happiness while we fail to solve the problems around us via critical thinking. It has turned us to hypocrites and we have this false illusion that we are holier than others when we obviously are not.

Religion has divided us with my own is better than urs thereby adding to the problem of tribal segregation that is already killing us...

I can go on and on but let me stop here for the sake of long post.

Thugaa:

With everything i ve written, if you still havent gotten it then you have a long way to go

Lol...

Makschinchin:


I mentioned Saudi Arabia and US in my previous post, these countries, among others, have a vast majority that are religious, yet, the countries are moving forward.. This alone should tell you that what is killing Nigeria today is not religion but a leadership problem..

US is not in anyway religious. Where did u get that from? How many us folks go to church?

Religion is more like a cultural thing in Saudi... Unlike Nigeria where its separated. In fact religion and culture fight each other here.

Again u fail to loom deep and the effect of religion in or country. Why compare it with other countries when each have different ways of doing things?

Astark:
no one is stopping from practicing your own religion, abi pastors put gun for your head.?

Most scientists are Christians, I don't even know what you mean.

Satanists, spit

Ur replies reeks of ignorance and they lack intelligence. I really pity they people u will train.

Here's the pitiful IQ representation of countries in 2002..I've been in denial for a while now cos this is disappointing but y'all come here and blame religion not realizing we(as a continent) need to intellectually develop first and with time,religion would evolve into something much better or discarded all together.

The all-round prosperity of said non religious countries is a myopic point of view.Economic,scientific,technological prosperity has nothing to do with religion to a very large extent.The America of today didn't just come about because they became less religious,it was years of development and a need for progress even when they were the most religious.Israel is more technically advanced than USA only with less resources.Saudi Arabia,Qatar,Kuwait all religious countries making a name for themselves with the development encouraged in certain areas and we Africans sit back on our primitive looking nairaland forums(no offence) and play the blame game.I'm sick of it tbh

The problem of Africa is Africans.. We aren't ready to progress as a whole,discarding all tribal,religious, political and personal differences

CodeTemplar:
Nigeria was as backwards as hell. If you think one phantom wall in Benin now exonerates all 250 tribes/ethnic groups, have a rethink.

Please read this book;

How Europe underdeveloped Africa, by Walter Rodney.

You'll definitely have a rethink

frank317:


Was born in Zaria too... Wusa hospital. Lived in kd duna road, right after pz and went to therbow school

Wow thats great. I was born in samaru but now live behind NMS for security reasons thanks to the religion of piss.

CodeTemplar:

You arguments don't complement one another. If your parents made you cram religious stuff, how did that stop you from going out to play out your passion in your spare time? Now that you have realized this seeming 'mistake', what have you achieved?

You clearly dont understand child psychology. Children see their parents like gods.

OkCornel:


Please read this book;

How Europe underdeveloped Africa, by Walter Rodney.

You'll definitely have a rethink

I don't need to read lies and conspiracy theories.

adoyi8:

Wow thats great. I was born in samaru but now live behind NMS for security reasons thanks to the religion of piss.

Does mates (the bar) still exist. Na we start that placeoo.... Mark was a pal then... Now he is a big boy.

I left Zaria a while ago, from barracks to mates no far, u should know the place.

CodeTemplar:


You don't lay the burden of disproving your argument on me or disproving mine. You do that yourself by proving what you say. And stop twisting my words before replying to them. The fact that I highlighted the christian names of Isaac Newton or Michael Faraday doesn't mean their names gave them wisdom automatically. In fact such religion assumptions is what has led many astray in Christianity in Africa but that doesn't negate the fact that religion isn't our problem.

How many times do I need to highlight the problems eating up Africa, Nigeria esp and how your religion - Christianity is one of the root cause?

Slave trading, the death blow that threw Africa into underdevelopment, and colonialism that crippled the growth of African nations are backed up by the bible. The bible instructed his followers to keep slaves and also trade them.

Infanticide has become an endemic in the Southeast Nigeria today. Over 100,000 killed have either been killed or strangled. These innocent kids are accused of been witch. And their killings is carried out by Pastors in accordance with the law of the Bible.


The new age terrorism, has it source in Christian world. Since 1960 till date, over 500,000 have lost their lives to religion crisis and terrorism. Christianity most especially breeds a form of intolerance and social discrimination. All evils are institutionalized in your bible.