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jossy404:
But wait... the quotation above was from a US hospital and nowhere was it stated that the cost is for Poor or Rich america. Please i need enlightenment, if you visit the same hospital are you not going to pay the same price quoted above for the same purpose if you are paying out of pocket? or is there something i dont know? am asking because many people visit US hospitals not only for birth but for other issues and they paid the exact money quoted by those hospital in cash, how as that amounted to a crime? Agreed it's their country and its their visa, how is it reasonable for me to see two hospitals rendering the same services or procedures and you ask me to go for the higher cost. @Twood i actually need your input here maybe there is a policy that majority are not aware of as regard Medical Visit in US

God bless you for this...some of this quotes were clearly stated on the website of all this hospitals,now penalizing the patients and excluding the hospitals seems fair right?
What are this 'poor' Americans doing about this hospitals? Please let's keep same energy. If a VO/ American government feels an international patient should be punished by receiving a discount what about the hospital that facilitated the discount? It's ok to refuse an applicant if u want to,your country, your rules.But please come correct with a reasonable excuse not one sided punishment.

jossy404:
But wait... the quotation above was from a US hospital and nowhere was it stated that the cost is for Poor or Rich america. Please i need enlightenment, if you visit the same hospital are you not going to pay the same price quoted above for the same purpose if you are paying out of pocket? or is there something i dont know? am asking because many people visit US hospitals not only for birth but for other issues and they paid the exact money quoted by those hospital in cash, how as that amounted to a crime? Agreed it's their country and its their visa, how is it reasonable for me to see two hospitals rendering the same services or procedures and you ask me to go for the higher cost. @Twood i actually need your input here maybe there is a policy that majority are not aware of as regard Medical Visit in US

Its an excuse. Its been explained here several times but Twoods insists on stating contrary. Discounts are available to all patients that want to pay, no need to claim “hardship” or anything for that matter. People should be informed and notify the VO all the information with proof.

jossy404:
But wait... the quotation above was from a US hospital and nowhere was it stated that the cost is for Poor or Rich america. Please i need enlightenment, if you visit the same hospital are you not going to pay the same price quoted above for the same purpose if you are paying out of pocket? or is there something i dont know? am asking because many people visit US hospitals not only for birth but for other issues and they paid the exact money quoted by those hospital in cash, how as that amounted to a crime? Agreed it's their country and its their visa, how is it reasonable for me to see two hospitals rendering the same services or procedures and you ask me to go for the higher cost. @Twood i actually need your input here maybe there is a policy that majority are not aware of as regard Medical Visit in US

Why don’t you make this argument at your next visa interview? Or you think the VOs are simply sadists who don’t know their own country as well as you do?

AAESO:
God bless you for this...some of this quotes were clearly stated on the website of all this hospitals,now penalizing the patients and excluding the hospitals seems fair right?
What are this 'poor' Americans doing about this hospitals? Please let's keep same energy. If a VO/ American government feels an international patient should be punished by receiving a discount what about the hospital that facilitated the discount? It's ok to refuse an applicant if u want to,your country, your rules.But please come correct with a reasonable excuse not one sided punishment.

Poor Americans are US citizens who don’t require a visa. It’s not their responsibility to make sure you know the rules. The hospitals are not permitted to ask about your citizenship when offering you care. It’s not their fault that you’ve been exploiting a loophole all along. Besides, it isn’t punishment to deny you a visa, you can have your baby anywhere, your choice.

peacenigeria:
Its an excuse. Its been explained here several times but Twoods insists on stating contrary. Discounts are available to all patients that want to pay, no need to claim “hardship” or anything for that matter. People should be informed and notify the VO all the information with proof.

Please make sure to state this information at your next visa interview.

TWoods:
Poor Americans are US citizens who don’t require a visa. It’s not their responsibility to make sure you know the rules. The hospitals are not permitted to ask about your citizenship when offering you care. It’s not their fault that you’ve been exploiting a loophole all along. Besides, it isn’t punishment to deny you a visa, you can have your baby anywhere, your choice.

Mr trigger, do you realize nobody register at the hospital without a valid ID or a copy of your visa? So if am registering with a visa how am I taking advantage of the loophole? The way you take carry this matter for head can you have the same energy for the hospital?

AAESO:
Mr trigger, do you realize nobody register at the hospital without a valid ID or a copy of your visa? So if am registering with a visa how am I taking advantage of the loophole? The way you take carry this matter for head can you have the same energy for the hospital?

The hospitals provide a valuable service to us, you don’t. Simple as that.

The hospitals are funded by taxes we pay, so yes it is the VOs responsibility to ensure that you don’t use loopholes to exploit them.

Third, whether you register at the hospital with a visa or not is not my problem. It is YOUR responsibility to ensure you pay what it truly costs to have your baby in the US.

Why don’t you respond to the VOs with this same level of self-entitled arrogance and see if you get a visa.

TWoods:
The hospitals provide a valuable service to us, you don’t. Simple as that.

The hospitals are funded by taxes we pay, so yes it is our responsibility to ensure that you don’t use loopholes to exploit them.

Third, whether you register at the hospital with a visa or not is not my problem. Why don’t you respond to the VOs with this same level of self-entitled arrogance and see if you get a visa.

I have no idea of what you are going through but I empathize with u ok..ok now,its your responsibility as a tax payer to check me but ignore the service provider that I didnt not force to put up a price on their website? Com'n dnt be clever by half mate. I am not the one tripping over American visa let's be clear on that. Some of this people presented this same bills and quotes! And they were granted visa so tell me what's changed or you just decided to turn a blind eye to that fact? If stating the obvious is being self-entitled + arrogance!! Mate,I love it.

AAESO:
I have no idea of what you are going through but I empathize with u ok..ok now,its your responsibility as a tax payer to check me but ignore the service provider that I didnt not force to put up a price on their website? Com'n dnt be clever by half mate. I am not the one tripping over American visa let's be clear on that. Some of this people presented this same bills and quotes! And they were granted visa so tell me what's changed or you just decided to turn a blind eye to that fact? If stating the obvious is being self-entitled + arrogance!! Mate,I love it.

You can simply have your babies in your own home country. There is no visa requirement for that.

blue355:
Please mamas,
how do i get my Zero balance from US anesthesia?
i am in naija. i have tried calling them to email or mail it... but they said it wud be hard.
And i need it to apply for visa

Hello mama,please have you been able to resolve this issue? I also have similar issue and would like you to put me through if you have any information please........ Thank you

I sent you a PM. Please kindly respond

I sent you a PM. please kindly respond

aamey15:
Long post alert, Success story

Its been a while since I posted on this platform but I think my story might help someone with this visa palava we are all experiencing. I will try to make it short( I hope so).
So after my dilemma with reapplying for a B2 visa even though I had a valid B1B2 visa( you can read my previous posts) , we eventually applied for B2 but selected the interview waiver and due to the ban for some reason it wasn’t a great option. Anyway my husband felt it was best to email the embassy asking for what to do considering we had used the current visa for visiting (which was the purpose of applying initially) and it is still valid till December 2019. Well we didn’t get a response from the embassy for a whole month and I had lost hope because I was scared to travel.
After a month I got an email from the embassy saying my visa wasn’t valid for birth travel at the time because that wasn’t the intent of it being issued to us and I had to visit embassy within a week for a new interview with my doctors appointment, proof of payment if any, receipts of previous births, budget sheet, bank statement.
So I visited the embassy and had an interview with the VO, bear in mind the embassy was empty that day apparently they had to cancel all appointments but luckily I had a prescheduled one so I was let in. I had to wait for about 45mins and was the only candidate in the embassy but a lady came in not too long after. I assure you I was terrified.
VO: Good day, sorry for keeping you waiting
Me: No problem
VO: Thank you for visiting the embassy. We asked to see you today
Me: Yes, I have a valid B1/B2 visa which I have used for travel but I intend to deliver and I contacted the embassy on what to do
VO: We appreciate your honesty. The reason we asked to see you is to know if you have the financial capacity to pay your bills and if you do may I see the proof
Me: Yes I do, I handed him my Bank statement as well as my Budget sheet. Then he starts going through the statement line by line ,from the name on the statement to the movement of cash, to the last page, maybe checking to confirm if I just put a huge cash in it I really don’t know but he spent more than 5 minutes on the statement
VO: What is the current balance on your account and who is *********
ME: I told him and the person he asked for is my husband… because he had seen frequent cash movement between the both of us
VO: Is this a joint account
ME: No its my personal account, I receive my salaries, profit sharing as well as monies from my husband in it
VO: Does your husband still work with bla bla and what do you do
ME: Yes he does and I work with bla bla
VO: How did you come up with the budget sheet you presented?
Me: I handed him the hospital I intend to use and the correspondence. My budget sheet was about 18k
VO: What pregnancy is this one and how many kids do you have
Me: This is my fourth pregnancy but I have 2 kids ( I guess he was just trying to reconfirm the information we had given at our previous interviews)
VO: Okay After a few minutes of writing and going through all the documents he says okay you are free to go
Me : Shocked because I was expecting a new visa or So, Does that mean I am okay to travel and I will not have issues at POE
VO: Yes, your details have been updated, have a safe delivery
Me: Thank you and I ran out..literally
I spent about 20 minutes with him or so but I tried to cut the story short. My opinion on what worked for me, honesty I tell you, even though I had a valid visa I didn’t want to jeopardize the opportunity given and bear in mind I had used the visa for its intent which was to travel for summer last year with the kids and the previous VO had stated that I had to inform the embassy if I was to travel for birth. It was a big gamble because I could have just used it like that and have issues at renewal in the future or maybe POE.

By the way my POE experience was so smooth ( I used ATL) the guy was even gisting with me asking if it was my first child and what sex I was having. Also asked how much money i had on me i had 8k dolls cash and about the same in my card. Stamped me in for 6 months.
I just went to carry my bag and zoomed off to my connecting flight. No bag was checked nothing
I hope this is helpful to someone thank you

Am not arguing with you neither do I need to argue it with VO. All I want to know is your own perspective as "an insider" for enlightenment cos am always ready to learn and I do business with your countrymen ..........

TWoods:
Why don’t you make this argument at your next visa interview? Or you think the VOs are simply sadists who don’t know their own country as well as you do?

jossy404:
Am not arguing with you neither do I need to argue it with VO. All I want to know is your own perspective as "an insider" for enlightenment cos am always ready to learn and I do business with your countrymen ..........

My perspective is simple - the VO is right. Paying $4600 for having a baby in the US is way too cheap considering what regular citizens pay. The argument that you’re simply getting it at a low cost because you’re self pay doesn’t work. If that were the case, it would make zero sense for anyone to carry insurance. Most folks pay annual insurance premiums higher than what it costs for you to have a baby here. It’s incredible.

Please house, who can help with on how to go about getting ETC for my LO, I have tried severally to reach the Nigerian embassy in Atlanta with the number on their site but no one picks up and their voicemail is full.

Stop spewing gibberish. I did all my laboratory tests in Nigeria and didn’t even know anyone in the USA. I was given the contact of a doctor in Texas and he gave me the price list for child birth. I was asked to pay a deposit, to get a letter stating he (dr) has accepted my wife as a patient. The dr gave us hospitals where he has privileges & we picked one. We discussed with a financial counselor & she gave us a quote for self paid patient. She even testified that, Nigerians use the hospital & they don’t have a problem with the embassy during renewal (which is confirmed). She even warned that, without upfront payment we’ll be ineligible for the self paid discount. Money was paid from Nigeria. Also, at the port of entry, the immigration officer was informed and given receipt of hospital payment. By your logic, the poe officers are ignorant or the us hospitals are deceitful, right? I don’t know of an American that can pay $6400 in cash. Who dash monkey banana?. It’s difficult for an average American to cough out $6400 in cash for child birth. Note that - mom’s have been receiving discounts since time in memorial. What is different now?

TWoods:
My perspective is simple - the VO is right. Paying $4600 for having a baby in the US is way too cheap considering what regular citizens pay. The argument that you’re simply getting it at a low cost because you’re self pay doesn’t work. If that were the case, it would make zero sense for anyone to carry insurance. Most folks pay annual insurance premiums higher than what it costs for you to have a baby here. It’s incredible.

babyfaiz:
Stop spewing gibberish. I did all my laboratory tests in Nigeria and didn’t even know anyone in the USA. I was given the contact of a doctor in Texas and he gave me the price list for child birth. I was asked to pay a deposit, to get a letter stating he (dr) has accepted my wife has a patient. The dr gave us hospitals where he has privileges & we picked one. We discussed with a financial counselor & she gave us a quote for self paid patient. She even testified that, Nigerians use the hospital & they don’t have a problem with the embassy during renewal (which is confirmed). She even warned that, without upfront payment we’ll be ineligible for the self paid discount. Money was paid from Nigeria & at the port of entry, the immigration officer was informed and given receipt of hospital payment. By your logic, the poe officers are ignorant or the us hospitals are deceitful, right? I don’t know of an American that can pay $6400 in cash. Who dash monkey banana?. It’s difficult for an average American to cough out $6400 in cash for child birth. Note that - mom’s have been receiving discounts since time in memorial. What is different now?

This is incredibly self-entitled nonsense. What percentage of Nigerians can afford $6400? Likely far less than 0.01% and definitely far less than the percentage of Americans who can afford that same amount. How many Nigerians can truly afford that on their legitimately earned wages alone? Middle class Americans can certainly afford that easily and would choose that over paying more than $20,000 annually on health insurance premiums if they could. As I have said here times without number, if you think Nigerians have that much money, why don’t you use it to develop your country so you don’t have to open countless threads begging piteously for foreign visas to countries whose citizens you presume are too poor to afford your level of wealth?

Now, your doctor is not a visa officer nor understands how immigration law works. He can tell you what he likes, it’s ultimately meaningless when you apply for a visa.

It is not CBPs job to question why you were given a visa.

AAESO:
Mr trigger, do you realize nobody register at the hospital without a valid ID or a copy of your visa? So if am registering with a visa how am I taking advantage of the loophole? The way you take carry this matter for head can you have the same energy for the hospital?

That's what all ILLEGALS do, you gave an American address, you are paying cash, no credit, no insurance, it means you are illegal and you are poor, no job or a drug addict. But this loophole works only once, you get out of US, no more benefits for you and no more coming to give another birth using this loophole. Now wait until your American child becomes 21, has a house and a job in USA and invites you to live there. Simple like that. Never again even a simple US tourist visa.

TWoods:
This is incredibly self-entitled nonsense. What percentage of Nigerians can afford $6400? Likely far less than 0.01% and definitely far less than the percentage of Americans who can afford that same amount. How many Nigerians can truly afford that on their legitimately earned wages alone? Middle class Americans can certainly afford that easily and would choose that over paying more than $20,000 annually on health insurance premiums if they could. As I have said here times without number, if you think Nigerians have that much money, why don’t you use it to develop your country so you don’t have to open countless threads begging piteously for foreign visas to countries whose citizens you presume are too poor to afford your level of wealth?

Now, your doctor is not a visa officer nor understands how immigration law works. He can tell you what he likes, it’s ultimately meaningless when you apply for a visa.

It is not CBPs job to question why you were given a visa.

So correct. I totally agree with you.

And it makes me laugh the assumption Americans can't pay this small amount. Ignorance and silly claims.

123JohnF:
That's what all ILLEGALS do, you gave an American address, you are paying cash, no credit, no insurance, it means you are illegal and you are poor, no job or a drug addict. But this loophole works only once, you get out of US, no more benefits for you and no more coming to give another birth using this loophole. Now wait until your American child becomes 21, has a house and a job in USA and invites you to live there. Simple like that. Never again even a simple US tourist visa.

SMH for you and Twoods too. What's all this?

Meanwhile, shebi na before person born naim e dey fill form for Birth Certificate, abi? HELL NO! It is done after birthing, long after payments have been made to the Doctors and facilities in most cases. So, how does that then determine the amount foreigners PREPAY for birthing? One logical thing that seems to be up, is that your "thieving" facilities may be taking advantage of this ADDRESS issue to "defraud" and cheat your government.... Why take it out on the "ignorant"? Las las, una own dey una body abeg. Make una calm down!

123JohnF:
That's what all ILLEGALS do, you gave an American address, you are paying cash, no credit, no insurance, it means you are illegal and you are poor, no job or a drug addict. But this loophole works only once, you get out of US, no more benefits for you and no more coming to give another birth using this loophole. Now wait until your American child becomes 21, has a house and a job in USA and invites you to live there. Simple like that. Never again even a simple US tourist visa.

lol!...na real wa!

Do you work at the US embassy to determine all that?

OmoBendel24:
SMH for you and Twoods too. What's all this?

Meanwhile, shebi na before person born naim e dey fill form for Birth Certificate, abi? HELL NO! It is done after birthing, long after payments have been made to the Doctors and facilities in most cases. So, how does that then determine the amount foreigners PREPAY for birthing? One logical thing that seems to be up, is that your "thieving" facilities may be taking advantage of this ADDRESS issue to "defraud" and cheat your government.... Why take it out on the "ignorant"?Las las, una own dey una body abeg. Make una calm down!

That's not true.

One can fill the Birth Certificate form right after the child is born even before payment is completed.

Beautyaddy:
That's not true.

One can fill the Birth Certificate form right after the child is born even before payment is completed.

Aunty/Oga, that's for you "Americans"! Read my post again, slowly, and understand it and its context. PREPAY, FOREIGNERS, "IN MOST CASES" being the operative words and line to give attention to, please.

OmoBendel24:
Aunty/Oga, that's for you "Americans"! Read my post again, slowly, and understand it and its context. PREPAY, FOREIGNERS, "IN MOST CASES" being the operative words and line to give attention to, please.

I read and understood your initial post...but I still stand on my previous post that the Birth Certificate can still be completed as long as a child has been born...and before payment is completed. It doesn't just apply to Americans.

123JohnF:
That's what all ILLEGALS do, you gave an American address, you are paying cash, no credit, no insurance, it means you are illegal and you are poor, no job or a drug addict. But this loophole works only once, you get out of US, no more benefits for you and no more coming to give another birth using this loophole. Now wait until your American child becomes 21, has a house and a job in USA and invites you to live there. Simple like that. Never again even a simple US tourist visa.

Absolutely correct. That’s exactly the point the VOs are raising and Nigerians are pretending not to understand. Texas is particularly targeted because of the large volume of Mexican and South American immigrants who have long been doing this.

That’s why costs are lower in states like Texas but not hinterland areas like Illinois, Georgia, New Jersey, New York.

OmoBendel24:
Do you have a conscience at all? How do you sit down to construct these, @the bolded?

He is absolutely right. The vast majority of folks who do this here in Texas are poor, illegal immigrants from Mexico, El Salvador etc. Nigerians come here and the doctors and hospitals can’t tell the difference. They are not allowed to turn you away by law so they’ll be happy to take anything you can pay...

The VOs aren’t stupid. They are asking specific questions for a reason. We can play dumb all we want.