Nephilim And sons of God: Who Are They?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u71OB0LTiM

The sons of God in the book of Genesis refers to a particular blood line, that would be the blood line of Seth... Human beings.. Not spirit..

sonmvayina:
The sons of God in the book of Genesis refers to a particular blood line, that would be the blood line of Seth... Human beings.. Not spirit..

They were spirit. Genesis made it clear that they came down from heaven (What is a human being doing in heaven?) after they saw the daughters of men were fair (If they were humans, what is the big deal?) and the women bore giants. These giants were the nephilims.

The Sons of God a.k.a the Bene Elohims are celestial beings not humans.

A spirit can possess a human and take charge of the body and act as though it is human but that does not make it human.

Why you de tell everibodi na

OLAADEGBU:


Nephilim And sons of God: Who Are They?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u71OB0LTiM

Who Were The Nephilim?

https://answersingenesis.org/bible-characters/who-were-the-nephilim/

OLAADEGBU:


Who Were The Nephilim?

https://answersingenesis.org/bible-characters/who-were-the-nephilim/

Angels, if they exist, can exist in any form they want, the bible is replete with them. Apart from that which was as much as I could take, was Jesus not a Son of God? Was he Nephilim too?

It would explain the Holy getting her pregnant!

budaatum:


Angels, if they exist, can exist in any form they want, the bible is replete with them. Apart from that which was as much as I could take, was Jesus not a Son of God? Was he Nephilim too?

It would explain the Holy getting her pregnant!

The question on this thread is for believers to answer, if you don't mind.

OLAADEGBU:


This thread is for believers, if you don't mind.

I obviously don't mind. Look, I'm here.

OLAADEGBU:
Nephilim And sons of God: Who Are They?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u71OB0LTiM

First, I apologize that I will be commenting without watching the video. Two reasons for that: too much on my plate; and too expensive for me at the moment.

Second, I just ran through the AiG link to get an idea what the thread wants considered too, but it was too long for a comprehensive read right now. I think I get the gist there in general though, because I have worried at this subject before.

Third, this is one of the subjects in the Bible that Christians are much divided over, and it can get pretty emotionally charged, so I prefer to avoid it unless I see a willingness to consider things from the Bible.

So, here goes.

Although the term "sons of God" is not unique to angels in the Bible, given that it was applied to Adam, to the Lord Jesus, and to believers, in Genesis 6 it refers to angels.

There are two main arguments for it:

1. The less important linguistic argument: why use "sons of God" here in contrast to "daughters of men?" If it is to say that righteous men went in to unrighteous women without marrying them, then why not just say that? Nothing in the context up to this point bothered to make an obvious difference in the moral characters of the growing population, so to read "sons of God" to mean righteous men would be to borrow from later concepts to explain an early phenomenon.

This argument can be expanded, but I'm really not able to do that right now.

2. The more important doctrinal argument:

(i) in general, throughout the Bible "sons of God" refers to angels. Even where it is used for human beings, it is mostly in comparison to the angels, because human beings are spiritually like the angels in our common possession of a free will. The difference is in the human possession of a physical body that limits his spirit's abilities, so that he is less knowledgeable and less powerful than the angels (Psalm 8:4; Hebrews 2:6). Whenever "sons of God" then is used without qualification, it refers to the angels. When it is used for human beings, it is generally qualified (e.g. Luke 3:38) or the context is clear that it refers to human beings.

(ii) the story of the Flood is meaningless unless we understand that the human race had been fatally corrupted to the point that Salvation would have been impossible unless something drastic was done. In fact, the whole business of the sons of God taking women to reproduce with makes much sense if the result were hard-hearted wicked half-breeds whose intelligence and power made more men and women want their kind as children and relatives, but whose unrepentant attitude of rebellion toward God meant that if they spread and corrupted all humankind, then the Savior would never be born. So, this is not just about some rebel angels wanting to enjoy relations with human women. It was only partly that, and mostly that they were looking to corrupt the human race until not a single human being was left whose heart was still open to the Truth.

This is why the chapter telling this story noted that

[5]Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Genesis 6:5 NASB

These Nephilim were like their angelic fathers: they were wildly rebellious against God and had absolutely no willingness to turn from that rebellion. But because they were part-angel...

[4]...[they] were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
Genesis 6:4 NASB

They were the seed of the stories of supermen or human beings with extraordinary ability, because they were the first such people.

Now, at the link, it was said that it makes more sense to read verse 4 above as referring to the post-Flood era when it says, "the Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward," but that is not quite right. Considering that Genesis 6-9 was really just an insertion into the genealogies that Moses was writing, this bit in verse 4 is further making a case for the Flood that occasioned this break in the narrative.

That is, Moses was explaining that in Noah's time, something happened, but that that something preceded Noah. The angels did not begin siring children with human women just at the time of the Flood. They had been doing it for a while before then. And they continued right up to when Noah was prophesying and building his Ark. What Moses was saying is that they were the problem that God was about to solve with the Flood.

Another thing that strengthens this argument is that Noah is said to be "perfect in his generations" in verse 9. Now, no man has ever been perfect, except the Lord Jesus. So, this was not speaking about Noah's moral character. The only sense in which it could speak of Noah's moral character is in the sense that every believer is perfect: because of God's Substitute, all our sins are forgiven if we believe. But here, the statement is "perfect in his generations." That is, Noah was perfect in his origins. He was a full human, not an angelic half-breed. There were very few purebreds left, and of those who were left, many, of course, would still be caught in the desire to have their own Nephilim relatives. So, in all the Earth, only one man was found with whom God was pleased.

That man was the one through whom the line of the Savior was preserved.

Everyone else who was still left was destroyed in the Flood to make sure that no Nephilim were left.

Now, the term itself means "fallen ones." It is probably where the romantic idea of fallen angels sprang from, possibly with help from Isaiah 14:12. The two concepts are related, but for the Nephilim, it has a more immediate application. The Nephilim were half-human, but they had a more uncompromising bent toward evil than normal humans, with no interest whatsoever in the Truth. Whereas even a vile human may be plagued by conscience and turn toward the Truth, nothing of this sort appears even possible with the Nephilim. We humans are born to fall from Grace right from our first breath, but not like the Nephilim. They are fallen in the worst way possible for humans - they are unyielding rebels against God.

That would explain why a Global Flood was so critical. There had to be a wiping of the slate to give the human race a reboot.

But, remember that these creatures were hardier than normal human beings. They were very hard to kill (compare Satan's own seed, i.e. Genesis 3:15, much later in history, the Antichrist in Revelation 13:3). This is why the Flood was so powerful. If God were simply going to kill a world full of weak humans, a flood that covers the mountains to such a depth and holds for several months would not be necessary. But if the targets are Nephilim, then a very violent Flood that cuts off all escape and lasts long enough to weary even the hardiest of them would make sense. Consider, for example, that while a human being might be able to hold their breath at a certain depth of water for perhaps several minutes, Nephilim might be able to withstand much higher pressures of water and hold their breath for much longer. Killing them would take an act of God. The Flood was most definitely that.

As the link tried to do, but perhaps didn't quite succeed at finishing, there is a link between Genesis, 2 Peter, and Jude. The angels sinned like the people of Sodom and Gomorrha in going after strange flesh (having relations with human women, i.e., not their kind). That act was punished with the most grievous punishment for rebel angels (except for one more grievous reserved for Satan after the Tribulation, see Revelation 20:1-3) short of throwing them into the Lake of Fire: they were thrown into the Pit or the Abyss, locked and chained in the gloomy dungeons there.

That action is why that crime has not been repeated in human history. Only as time winds down, and the Tribulation approaches will they break the law again, for Satan to sire the Antichrist, and for the production of the Antichrist's prophet at least, if not also the ten kings that will rule Tribulational Rome with him.

As I said, this answer is not necessarily what many want to hear, so if it is rejected, it won't be surprising, but I believe that that is what the Bible teaches, and that if anyone actually looks at what the Bible says, they will see that this is what it means.

budaatum:


I obviously don't mind. Look, I'm here.

To the best of my knowledge, you're an unbeliever, except you repent and believe the gospel truth.

OLAADEGBU:


To the best of my knowledge, you're an unbeliever, except you repent and believe the gospel truth.

When, Olaa, did the "best of your knowledge" become the determinant of what buda does or doesn't do?

Ihedinobi3:


First, I apologize that I will be commenting without watching the video. Two reasons for that: too much on my plate; and too expensive for me at the moment.

Second, I just ran through the AiG link to get an idea what the thread wants considered too, but it was too long for a comprehensive read right now. I think I get the gist there in general though, because I have worried at this subject before.

Third, this is one of the subjects in the Bible that Christians are much divided over, and it can get pretty emotionally charged, so I prefer to avoid it unless I see a willingness to consider things from the Bible.

So, here goes.

Although the term "sons of God" is not unique to angels in the Bible, given that it was applied to Adam, to the Lord Jesus, and to believers, in Genesis 6 it refers to angels.

There are two main arguments for it:

1. The less important linguistic argument: why use "sons of God" here in contrast to "daughters of men?" If it is to say that righteous men went in to unrighteous women without marrying them, then why not just say that? Nothing in the context up to this point bothered to make an obvious difference in the moral characters of the growing population, so to read "sons of God" to mean righteous men would be to borrow from later concepts to explain an early phenomenon.

This argument can be expanded, but I'm really not able to do that right now.

2. The more important doctrinal argument:

(i) in general, throughout the Bible "sons of God" refers to angels. Even where it is used for human beings, it is mostly in comparison to the angels, because human beings are spiritually like the angels in our common possession of a free will. The difference is in the human possession of a physical body that limits his spirit's abilities, so that he is less knowledgeable and less powerful than the angels (Psalm 8:4; Hebrews 2:6). Whenever "sons of God" then is used without qualification, it refers to the angels. When it is used for human beings, it is generally qualified (e.g. Luke 3:38) or the context is clear that it refers to human beings.

(ii) the story of the Flood is meaningless unless we understand that the human race had been fatally corrupted to the point that Salvation would have been impossible unless something drastic was done. In fact, the whole business of the sons of God taking women to reproduce with makes much sense if the result were hard-hearted wicked half-breeds whose intelligence and power made more men and women want their kind as children and relatives, but whose unrepentant attitude of rebellion toward God meant that if they spread and corrupted all humankind, then the Savior would never be born. So, this is not just about some rebel angels wanting to enjoy relations with human women. It was only partly that, and mostly that they were looking to corrupt the human race until not a single human being was left whose heart was still open to the Truth.

This is why the chapter telling this story noted that

[5]Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Genesis 6:5 NASB

These Nephilim were like their angelic fathers: they were wildly rebellious against God and had absolutely no willingness to turn from that rebellion. But because they were part-angel...

[4]...[they] were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
Genesis 6:4 NASB

They were the seed of the stories of supermen or human beings with extraordinary ability, because they were the first such people.

Now, at the link, it was said that it makes more sense to read verse 4 above as referring to the post-Flood era when it says, "the Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward," but that is not quite right. Considering that Genesis 6-9 was really just an insertion into the genealogies that Moses was writing, this bit in verse 4 is further making a case for the Flood that occasioned this break in the narrative.

That is, Moses was explaining that in Noah's time, something happened, but that that something preceded Noah. The angels did not begin siring children with human women just at the time of the Flood. They had been doing it for a while before then. And they continued right up to when Noah was prophesying and building his Ark. What Moses was saying is that they were the problem that God was about to solve with the Flood.

Another thing that strengthens this argument is that Noah is said to be "perfect in his generations" in verse 9. Now, no man has ever been perfect, except the Lord Jesus. So, this was not speaking about Noah's moral character. The only sense in which it could speak of Noah's moral character is in the sense that every believer is perfect: because of God's Substitute, all our sins are forgiven if we believe. But here, the statement is "perfect in his generations." That is, Noah was perfect in his origins. He was a full human, not an angelic half-breed. There were very few purebreds left, and of those who were left, many, of course, would still be caught in the desire to have their own Nephilim relatives. So, in all the Earth, only one man was found with whom God was pleased.

That man was the one through whom the line of the Savior was preserved.

Everyone else who was still left was destroyed in the Flood to make sure that no Nephilim were left.

Now, the term itself means "fallen ones." It is probably where the romantic idea of fallen angels sprang from, possibly with help from Isaiah 14:12. The two concepts are related, but for the Nephilim, it has a more immediate application. The Nephilim were half-human, but they had a more uncompromising bent toward evil than normal humans, with no interest whatsoever in the Truth. Whereas even a vile human may be plagued by conscience and turn toward the Truth, nothing of this sort appears even possible with the Nephilim. We humans are born to fall from Grace right from our first breath, but not like the Nephilim. They are fallen in the worst way possible for humans - they are unyielding rebels against God.

That would explain why a Global Flood was so critical. There had to be a wiping of the slate to give the human race a reboot.

But, remember that these creatures were hardier than normal human beings. They were very hard to kill (compare Satan's own seed, i.e. Genesis 3:15, much later in history, the Antichrist in Revelation 13:3). This is why the Flood was so powerful. If God were simply going to kill a world full of weak humans, a flood that covers the mountains to such a depth and holds for several months would not be necessary. But if the targets are Nephilim, then a very violent Flood that cuts off all escape and lasts long enough to weary even the hardiest of them would make sense. Consider, for example, that while a human being might be able to hold their breath at a certain depth of water for perhaps several minutes, Nephilim might be able to withstand much higher pressures of water and hold their breath for much longer. Killing them would take an act of God. The Flood was most definitely that.

As the link tried to do, but perhaps didn't quite succeed at finishing, there is a link between Genesis, 2 Peter, and Jude. The angels sinned like the people of Sodom and Gomorrha in going after strange flesh (having relations with human women, i.e., not their kind). That act was punished with the most grievous punishment for rebel angels (except for one more grievous reserved for Satan after the Tribulation, see Revelation 20:1-3) short of throwing them into the Lake of Fire: they were thrown into the Pit or the Abyss, locked and chained in the gloomy dungeons there.

That action is why that crime has not been repeated in human history. Only as time winds down, and the Tribulation approaches will they break the law again, for Satan to sire the Antichrist, and for the production of the Antichrist's prophet at least, if not also the ten kings that will rule Tribulational Rome with him.

As I said, this answer is not necessarily what many want to hear, so if it is rejected, it won't be surprising, but I believe that that is what the Bible teaches, and that if anyone actually looks at what the Bible says, they will see that this is what it means.

You will have to watch the videoclip or better still, read the suggested link to be able to answer the questions adequately. As time permits, I'll endeavour to type out what was said in the videoclip.

There are 5 basic questions the OP is asking and these are:

1. Who were the men?
2. Who were the daughters of those men?
3. Who were the sons of God?
4. Who were the giants (Hebrew, Nephilim)?
5. Were the giants or Nephilim the same as the babies that the sons of God had with the daughters of men?

Who or what you trust will determine the answer you will give to these questions. Are your answers from the Bible or pagan sources?

My question would be: Were there giants or Nephilim after Noah's Flood on the face of the earth?

budaatum:


When, Olaa, did the "best of your knowledge" become the determinant of what buda does or doesn't do?

As far as I'm concerned, you're an unrepentant sinner who doesn't believe in the Jesus Christ of the Bible as your personal Lord and Saviour. The onus is on you to prove me wrong.

OLAADEGBU:


As far as I'm concerned, you're an unrepentant sinner who doesn't believe in the Jesus Christ of the Bible as your personal Lord and Saviour. The onus is on you to prove me wrong.

Why onus I prove you wrong? Are you God?
Can you throw buda in hell if buda don't repent?

budaatum:


Why onus I prove you wrong? Are you God?
Can you throw buda in hell if buda don't repent?

"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3).

Jesus here, said that true repentance toward God is vital without which folks would perish eternally.

OLAADEGBU:


"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3).

Jesus here, said that true repentance toward God is vital without which folks would perish eternally.

Did we change our mind about you not being on the right hand of God judging buda?

budaatum:


Did we change our mind about you not being on the right hand of God judging buda?

Are you a good person?

OLAADEGBU:


Are you a good person?

Who is good? I try though.

OLAADEGBU:


You will have to watch the videoclip or better still, read the suggested link to be able to answer the questions adequately. As time permits, I'll endeavour to type out what was said in the videoclip.

There are 5 basic questions the OP is asking and these are:

1. Who were the men?
2. Who were the daughters of those men?
3. Who were the sons of God?
4. Who were the giants (Hebrew, Nephilim)?
5. Were the giants or Nephilim the same as the babies that the sons of God had with the daughters of men?

Who or what you trust will determine the answer you will give to these questions. Are your answers from the Bible or pagan sources?

My question would be: Were there giants or Nephilim after Noah's Flood on the face of the earth?

When I can, if I can, I will watch the video. But I thank you for the help you give in extracting the questions for me.

1. I assume that the video refers to the men in "daughters of men." They were just men, nobody specific. That is, the Bible was talking about human females rather than any other kind of female.

2. Again, nobody specific. Just human women.

3. Rebel angels, as I have already said.

4. There were no Giants in the story. The Nephilim were half-breed products of the rebel angels and the human women that they took to sleep with.

5. As I say again in #4 above, the Nephilim were the children that the women produced after the rebel angels went in to them.

As for where my answers come from, although I wrote my post in a hurry, I did try to provide Scripture references that I believe are relevant to the question. I, of course, assumed a lot about the reader's knowledge of the Bible because of my hurry, so I did not provide references for every single thing I said, but it all comes from the Bible.

Regarding your own question, there were certainly Giants after the Flood. Goliath was one. Another seven-footer that one of David's mighty men killed too was another. Og the king of Bashan was another. There were quite a few. But there were no Nephilim after the Flood. Some cowardly Hebrews claimed that the Anakites were Nephilim in order to discourage Israel from attacking them, but they were lying (Numbers 13). There were no Nephilim in Canaan.

There will be Nephilim again during the Tribulation. We know for sure, at least, that the Antichrist is half-angel since he is literally Satan's son (Genesis 3:15), so even if there isn't any other - and there is strong reason to expect that his prophet and his under-kings in Tribulational Rome are Nephilim too - we have him as one example of such a thing and one too that is post-Flood. The binding of Satan in chains and his being locked in a dungeon in the Abyss is a similar punishment to what Jude recounts of the punishment that the rebel angels of Noah's time were subjected to. The only difference is the sealing of the shaft to prevent any escape from the Abyss until the end of the Lord's Millennium.

So, again, no, there were no Nephilim after the Flood.

Fables that have no evidence to support them. The middle east should have been littered with fossils of these giants but not even 1 bone has turned up. What a farce.

budaatum:


Who is good? I try though.

That's not good enough. Are you good enough to enter God's heaven?

OLAADEGBU:


That's not good enough. Are you good enough to enter God's heaven?

No. I am definitely not good enough to enter God's heaven. I am unworthy.

I'm relying on the Grace of God to give imperfect worthless me a free pass in Jesus Mighty Name.

Nephilims are Astronomical Beings. They are made especially by God Himself in His Factory in Heaven. Nephilims are in other Planets and Stars even presently. They are brought on Earth by The Power of The Spirit of God. They are Extraordinary Astronoids.
Male and Female God made them. Adam and Eve were made Astronoids and put in the Garden by God. God also distributed male and female Nephilims(Giant Astronoids) to different zones of The Universe Himself. Oduduwa Omo, Amin, Olodumare was a Nephilim. Oduduwa means Bond, Covenant and Ark and Act of Olodumare.. This, I received by The Inspiration of The Holy Spirit.
Bible ref. to Nephilims(Giants) are
Gen: 6:4; 14:5
Deut. 2: 11; 2:20
Josh 12:4
Num 13:33
1Sam. 17:4
11 Sam.21: 16-22
May God give us Wisdom to Understand Him.

budaatum:


No. I am definitely not good enough to enter God's heaven. I am unworthy.

I'm relying on the Grace of God to give imperfect worthless me a free pass in Jesus Mighty Name.

You will then have to drop the pride in your hand in order to get the free gift (pass) into God's heaven. You cannot eat your cake and have it.

orunto27:


Nephilims are Astronomical Beings. They are made especially by God Himself in His Factory in Heaven. Nephilims are in other Planets and Stars even presently. They are brought on Earth by The Power of The Spirit of God. They are Extraordinary Astronoids.
Male and Female God made them. Adam and Eve were made Astronoids and put in the Garden by God. God also distributed male and female Nephilims(Giant Astronoids) to different zones of The Universe Himself. Oduduwa Omo, Amin, Olodumare was a Nephilim. Oduduwa means Bond, Covenant and Ark and Act of Olodumare.. This, I received by The Inspiration of The Holy Spirit.
Bible ref. to Nephilims(Giants) are
Gen: 6:4; 14:5
Deut. 2: 11; 2:20
Josh 12:4
Num 13:33
1Sam. 17:4
11 Sam.21: 16-22
May God give us Wisdom to Understand Him.

All these come from pagan sources. Are you a follower of TB Joshua?

OLAADEGBU:


All these come from pagan sources. Are you a follower of TB Joshua?

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You are very interesting.

orunto27:
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You are very interesting.

You have not answered the question. Let me rephrase my question. What do you think about TB Joshua?

OLAADEGBU:


You have not answered the question. Let me rephrase my question. What do you think about TB Joshua?

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He is a Prophet of God and an Apostle of J.C.

OLAADEGBU:


All these come from pagan sources. Are you a follower of TB Joshua?

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When David killed Goliath, God wasn't disapproving that He made Goliath for His Own Pleasures, God was disapproving Goliath's arrogance and uplifting the Power of Prayer in David and His Love for him.

orunto27:
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He is a Prophet of God and an Apostle of J.C.

What makes him a prophet and an apostle, miracles?

orunto27:
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When David killed Goliath, God wasn't disapproving that He made Goliath for His Own Pleasures, God was disapproving Goliath's arrogance and uplifting the Power of Prayer in David and His Love for him.

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T.B. Joshua may have some Magic Wands that we are not privy to, they are Miracle Staff like God gave to Moses.

orunto27:
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T.B. Joshua may have some Magic Wands that we are not privy to, they are Miracle Staff like God gave to Moses.

Has it ever occured to you that what you think is a miracle staff could actually be magic wands?