Janosky:

@1 )
Revelation 3:14 "the beginning of creation of God" means the start of creation.
In the same manner, "the beginning of
birth pangs " CAN NOT mean "the ruler',
'source' or originator' of birth pangs.
Solite3 Liar.

*@2)
All things came from the Father"
"Through Jesus Christ"
The key word is "THROUGH" Jesus or by means of Jesus".
If you like quote Eph3:19, John1:3 , 1 Cor8:6, Col 1:16,17 etc.
The Greek word "dia" =through or by means of", showcased your mumu FRAUD.


@3)
Englishman's Concordance
Genesis 4:1
HEB: קַ֔יִן וַתֹּ֕אמֶר קָנִ֥יתִי אִ֖ישׁ אֶת־
NAS: and she said, I have gotten a manchild
KJV: and said, I have gotten a man
ISV
she said, "I have given birth to
a male child"

NET Bible
:she said, "I have
created a man just as the LORD did!"
NHEB
"I have acquired a man with the LORD's help."

Genesis 14:19
HEB: לְאֵ֣ל עֶלְי֔וֹן קֹנֵ֖ה שָׁמַ֥יִם וָאָֽרֶץ׃
NAS: Most High, Possessor of heaven
KJV: God, possessor of heaven
INT: God Most Possessor of heaven and
earth
Genesis 14:22
HEB: אֵ֣ל עֶלְי֔וֹן קֹנֵ֖ה שָׁמַ֥יִם וָאָֽרֶץ׃
NAS: Most High, possessor of heaven
KJV: God, the possessor of heaven
INT: God Most possessor of heaven and
earth"

Wayo solite3 LIAR.....
Genesis 4:1 how did Eve /acquire/ gotten/created a man with Yahweh's help?

Genesis 14:22.14:19, how did Yahweh possess the heaven and earth?
Yahweh possessed heaven and earth, possessed the creature personified as wisdom in Prov 8:22, because Yahweh OWNED them by creation.
Jesus Christ was already a son before he was born on earth (Isaiah 9:6. Heb1:5).
Can a son in heaven (Rev3:5) exist before his Father or be his Father ? No !!!!!
Solite3 , you're a confirmed FRAUD alongside your FRAUD doctrine.

Crap
Jesus is the source of God's creation Rev3vv14

He is before all things, how can he that is before all things be part of it.
John tells us nothing was created without Jesus
That has already rubbished all your claim.

*

solite3:


Jesus is the source of God's creation Rev3vv14

He is before all things, how can he that is before all things be part of it.
John tells us nothing was created without Jesus

Solite3 FRAUD....
Did Jesus create his Father?
YHWH is the Father of ALL, (including Jesus) in heaven and earth. (Rev
PROOF, Jesus was created...
1Cor 8:6
"Yet there is for us ONLY ONE GOD, THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS and for whom we live; and there is only one Lord,
Jesus Christ, THROUGH whom all things were
created and through whom we live."

Ephesians 4:6
" One God and Father of all, who is above all,"

****Ephesians 3:14,15.
14 For this reason I kneel before the Father,
15 from whom every family in heaven and
on earth derives its name."

Solite3 LIAR,"the beginning of the world", CAN NOT mean "the source' of the world."
Same applicable to "the beginning" at Rev 3:14
John5:26,Jesus says his Father, 'The Father of ALL ' ,granted him life"
In heaven ,Jesus is still a son.
Solite FRAUD......

Janosky:


Solite3 FRAUD....
Did Jesus create his Father?
YHWH is the Father of ALL, (including Jesus) in heaven and earth. (Rev
PROOF, Jesus was created...
1Cor 8:6
"Yet there is for us ONLY ONE GOD, THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS and for whom we live; and there is only one Lord,
Jesus Christ, THROUGH whom all things were
created and through whom we live."

Ephesians 4:6
" One God and Father of all, who is above all,"

****Ephesians 3:14,15.
14 For this reason I kneel before the Father,
15 from whom every family in heaven and
on earth derives its name."

Solite3 LIAR,"the beginning of the world", CAN NOT mean "the source' of the world."
Same applicable to "the beginning" at Rev 3:14
John5:26,Jesus says his Father, 'The Father of ALL ' ,granted him life"
In heaven ,Jesus is still a son.
Solite FRAUD......

You should start doing more thinking and less talking.
Things being created through Jesus is not the issue.
You are arguing against yourself.
The bible says All things was created through Jesus not some things.
Was the father created?
As far as anything is called created then it came through christ and without christ no created thing would exist that means Jesus was never created.
Do you understand now?

solite3:

You should start doing more thinking and less talking.
Things being created through Jesus is not the issue.
You are arguing against yourself.
The bible says All things was created through Jesus not some things.
Was the father created?
As far as anything is called created then it came through christ and without christ no created thing would exist that means Jesus was never created.
Do you understand now?

Brother you have time for these brainwashed JWs sha...

They can't reason for themselves that's why they argue blindly.

Look at the point you raised....which is exert fact John 1:3 stated: "All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence." NWT

Look at the two @underlined phrases and see how deluded they are, if it has possible for them to insert word like "OTHER" into that text like they do to others they would have done so.

I've used this line to reason with them both on this forum and one on one before yet they are still swimming in their self delusions.

How can you say Christ was FIRST CREATED and scripture keeps saying ALL THINGS came through same first created being.

Ask them how do they understand John 1:3 and see funny answers....

Emusan:


Brother you have time for these brainwashed JWs sha...

They can't reason for themselves that's why they argue blindly.

Look at the point you raised....which is exert fact John 1:3 stated: "All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence." NWT

Look at the two @underlined phrases and see how deluded they are, if it has possible for them to insert word like "OTHER" into that text like they do to others they would have done so.

I've used this line to reason with them both on this forum and one on one before yet they are still swimming in their self delusions.

How can you say Christ was FIRST CREATED and scripture keeps saying ALL THINGS came through same first created being.

Ask them how do they understand John 1:3 and see funny answers....

That is how cultism is, brainwashed with indoctrination.
Even their own bible is so confusing that they are too ashamed to preach with it.

I am weak by their poor reasoning. How can someone without whom creation is not possible be created?
According to Jehovah witness John is wrong someone was created without Jesus Signs

solite3:

You should start doing more thinking and less talking.
Things being created through Jesus is not the issue.
You are arguing against yourself.
The bible says All things was created through Jesus not some things.
Was the father created?
As far as anything is called created then it came through christ and without christ no created thing would exist that means Jesus was never created.
Do you understand now?

Solite3 & Emusan have LOST their thinking cap.

PROOF, Jesus was created...
1Cor 8:6
"Yet there is for us ONLY ONE GOD,
THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL THINGS.....

**Ephesians 4:6
" One God and Father of all, who is
above all,"

** Emphasis:
"THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL THINGS....." ALL THINGS" includes Jesus.
That's the reason Jesus calls his Creator "My Father, my God" in heaven and earth.
The truth is ALWAYS BITTER....

The word "THROUGH" connotes an agent, (Jesus) employed by the OWNER of the CREATION PROJECT ( his Father).

Solite3 & Emusan, falsely claimed that "Jesus was never created".
Rev 3:5,12 Jesus Christ says he is his Father's Son in heaven and earth ( John20:17).

Is Jesus Christ lying?
THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL THINGS.....
Why does Jesus Christ have the same Father in heaven and earth?

Janosky:


Solite3 & Emusan have LOST their thinking cap.

PROOF, Jesus was created...
1Cor 8:6
"Yet there is for us ONLY ONE GOD,
THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL THINGS.....

lying pharisee™ deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

i don't know solite3 and emusan exact beliefs, but as for me:

of course there is only one God and not two as you polytheist false jw's believe
that verse you quoted shows that the Father is the Creator
and john 1:3 and others show that the Word is the Creator

which further shows that Father and the Word is the Creator God:

john 1:1 in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him;(the Word) and without him was not any thing made that was made.

nothing that was made, was made without the Word, showing that the Word wasn't made

Janosky:
**Ephesians 4:6
" One God and Father of all, who is
above all,"

** Emphasis:
"THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL THINGS....." ALL THINGS" includes Jesus.

all things don't include Jesus, nothing was created that Jesus didn't create, you are forever twisting and changing God's Word

Janosky:
That's the reason Jesus calls his Creator "My Father, my God" in heaven and earth.
The truth is ALWAYS BITTER....

the truth is bitter and disgusting to you
oh duh, Jesus Father is Jesus Father no matter where they are

Janosky:
The word "THROUGH" connotes an agent, (Jesus) employed by the OWNER of the CREATION PROJECT ( his Father).

you have a problem with Father planing and Jesus carrying it out
me and my dad do the same, but we are both human, diffrent roles
Father and Son are both God, i have posted scores of scriptures showing Jesus is God
and which you don't believe, like the good little devil believer that you are

Janosky:
Solite3 & Emusan, falsely claimed that "Jesus was never created".

of course Jesus wasn't created, Father begat Him
how can he be created when He already existed beforehand (the Word became flesh)

Janosky:
Rev 3:5,12 Jesus Christ says he is his Father's Son in heaven and earth ( John20:17).

there are not enough duh's for you oh numskull
john 1:1, God and the Word is God,
God and the Word, is Father and Son no matter where they are

Janosky:

Is Jesus Christ lying?
THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL THINGS.....
Why does Jesus Christ have the same Father in heaven and earth?

oh duh duh duh, you keep repeating the same things over and over again, post after post, thread after thread,
and even in the same post, because you have nothing else, except your confusion

just believe God's word

^^^ oh oh, that was silly of me, a false jw believing God's word


the bible shows throughout that God created the world
not that a angel created the world, or
that God and a angel created the world

yes the bible does show that God created the World, that
the Word created everything that is created

1Co_2:14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The Alpha and Omega - The Almighty, is Jesus

Rev_1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Rev_1:11  Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

john turned to see the Alpha and Omega who was talking to him, and it was Jesus:

Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.



Jesus say's in rev 22:7
Rev 22:7  Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

and then Jesus says in verses 12 and 13:

Rev 22:12  And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev_22:13  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


Jesus is: God / Alpha and Omega / the Almighty

johnw47:



all things don't include Jesus,

of course Jesus wasn't created, Father begat Him

Bible > Topical > Beget
◄ Beget
►
Jump to: Webster's • Concordance •
Thesaurus • Greek • Hebrew • Library •
Subtopics • Terms
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary
1. ( v. t. ) To procreate, as a father or sire; to
generate; to produce; as, poverty can beget
crime.
2. ( v. t. ) To get (with child.)
3. ( v. t. ) To produce as an effect; to cause to
exist.

......

"Father begat him" mumu Pharisees...
Johnw FRAUD, you dey see your FRAUD ?


@ PROOF, Jesus was created...
1Cor 8:6
"Yet there is for us ONLY ONE GOD,
THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL THINGS.....


** You are NOT under obligation to comment on my post.
Shovel your FRAUD into your sawdust brain where it belongs.
Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE.

Janosky:


Solite3 & Emusan have LOST their thinking cap.

PROOF, Jesus was created...
1Cor 8:6
"Yet there is for us ONLY ONE GOD,
THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL THINGS.....

**Ephesians 4:6
" One God and Father of all, who is
above all,"

** Emphasis:
"THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL THINGS....." ALL THINGS" includes Jesus.
That's the reason Jesus calls his Creator "My Father, my God" in heaven and earth.
The truth is ALWAYS BITTER....

The word "THROUGH" connotes an agent, (Jesus) employed by the OWNER of the CREATION PROJECT ( his Father).

Solite3 & Emusan, falsely claimed that "Jesus was never created".
Rev 3:5,12 Jesus Christ says he is his Father's Son in heaven and earth ( John20:17).

Is Jesus Christ lying?
THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL THINGS.....
Why does Jesus Christ have the same Father in heaven and earth?

The trinity is simple,
One God but three persons.
God the father, the word the Spirit are all credited with the work of creation.
Why did you cut out part where Jesus is said to be the One Lord.

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

I remember somebody asked a question which you all dodged.

If Jesus is The only Lord does that not exclude the father?

By the way Paul said all things are of the father and all things are through the son. This infact is consistent with John who said that all things was created through Jesus but let me shock you,

Isaiah 45:18
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.



Isaiah 44:24
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Jehovah said he stretched the heavens alone and spread abroad te earth by himself.
Was Jehovah wrong or right?
Does this not prove trinity? That Jesus is infact none else than God Almighty?
How could this be possible if God does not exist in multiplicity of persons called the trinity (father, Son and Holy ghost)
Like I earlier said dont follow blindly check yourself.

Again see,
Psalms 50:6
And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.

This is a prophecy that a time is coming when God himself will be the judge.
Look at what Jesus said


John 5:22
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:


Is Jesus to be worshipped? Of course he is God
Jesus was worshipped many times in the bible, Thomas even called him my Lord and my God affirming his Deity.
See this,

John 5:23
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

What is the honor we give to the father? That same honor not less should apply to the Son.
Compare

Isaiah 48:11
For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.


For whom were all things created?

Revelation 4:11
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Jesus has same title with God
Isaiah 41:4
Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.


Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.


Revelation 1:17
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

I could go on and on, the whole bible is filled with the fact of the trinity.
Although we cannot fully understand God, for he God said

Isaiah 55:8
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

But we can fully trust what he has revealed in his word the holy bible.
You could seek to study with true christians the gospel as laid down in the bible.

solite3:

@1
The trinity is simple,
One God but three persons.
God the father, the word the Spirit are all credited with the work of creation.
Why did you cut out part where Jesus is said to be the One Lord.

I remember somebody asked a question which you all dodged.

If Jesus is The only Lord does that not exclude the father?

@2)

1Cor 8:6
By the way Paul said all things are of the father and all things are through the son. This infact is consistent with John who said that all things was created through Jesus but let me shock you,

Isaiah 45:18
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.



Isaiah 44:24
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Jehovah said he stretched the heavens alone and spread abroad te earth by himself.
Was Jehovah wrong or right?
Does this not prove trinity? That Jesus is infact none else than God Almighty?
How could this be possible if God does not exist in multiplicity of persons called the trinity (father, Son and Holy ghost)
Like I earlier said dont follow blindly check yourself.

@3)
Again see,
Psalms 50:6
And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.

This is a prophecy that a time is coming when God himself will be the judge.
Look at what Jesus said


John 5:22
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:


Is Jesus to be worshipped? Of course he is God
Jesus was worshipped many times in the bible, Thomas even called him my Lord and my God affirming his Deity.


.

@1)
Ephesians 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord
Jesus Christ,

*** ANSWER:
Mumu Pharisees, Matt 11:25,YAHWEH "The Lord of heaven and earth has NO Lord over himself. HE is " the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"
Acts2:36, Yahweh made Jesus a lord.
Solite3 no get sense.


@2)
Solite3 quoted 1Cor 8:6 which PROVED that Jesus is distinct from Almighty God his Father in Ephesians 1:3.
Yet Solite3 still CONTRADICT himself
"That Jesus is infact none else than God Almighty"
Solite3 no get sense at all, mumu Pharisees.


**@3)
John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am
not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my
brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto
my Father, and your Father; and to my God,
and your God."

Rev3:5,12 in heaven and John 20:17 on earth render your John 20:28 false claim INVALID.

^^^

lying pharisee™ deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

you post scripture against scripture because you don't understand God's word



the Father is King of kings and Lord of lords:
1Ti_6:15  Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

The Word(Jesus) is King of Kings and Lord of lords:
Rev_17:14  These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Father and Son being King of kings and Lord of lords = Father and the Word(Jesus) is God:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Janosky:


Bible > Topical > Beget
◄ Beget
►
Jump to: Webster's • Concordance •
Thesaurus • Greek • Hebrew • Library •
Subtopics • Terms
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary
1. ( v. t. ) To procreate, as a father or sire; to
generate; to produce; as, poverty can beget
crime.
2. ( v. t. ) To get (with child.)
3. ( v. t. ) To produce as an effect; to cause to
exist.

......

"Father begat him" mumu Pharisees...
Johnw FRAUD, you dey see your FRAUD ?

oh most duh lying pharisee™ deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ ~~~~~~ and false accuser like hell

normally, and as in my father begat me, means i didn't exist before hand

in Jesus case oh know nothing, when Father begat Jesus He already existed
so He was not created oh most duh one, he was made man:

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Janosky: @ PROOF, Jesus was created...
1Cor 8:6
"Yet there is for us ONLY ONE GOD,
THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL THINGS.....


** You are NOT under obligation to comment on my post.
Shovel your FRAUD into your sawdust brain where it belongs.
Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE.

again oh most duh duh duh one ~~~~~~~~ and copycat like hell
of course Father is the only one God who is the creator of all things
and Jesus is that only one God, john 1:1 who is the creator of all things, john 1:3, laugh,
i only just explained that to you with verses, in the last post
such a blinded mumu

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.



2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

johnw47:


it's obvious beelzebubAgent cannot stop lying
"it's obvious i won't explain trinity to one of no understanding", would have been a honest comment



laugh, it's impossible for Father God not to exist
a idiotic question from a idiotic person of no understanding

Answer my question. would Jesus have existed without God?

solite3:

The trinity is simple,
One God but three persons.
God the father, the word the Spirit are all credited with the work of creation.
Why did you cut out part where Jesus is said to be the One Lord.

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

I remember somebody asked a question which you all dodged.

If Jesus is The only Lord does that not exclude the father?

By the way Paul said all things are of the father and all things are through the son. This infact is consistent with John who said that all things was created through Jesus but let me shock you,

Isaiah 45:18
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.



Isaiah 44:24
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Jehovah said he stretched the heavens alone and spread abroad te earth by himself.
Was Jehovah wrong or right?
Does this not prove trinity? That Jesus is infact none else than God Almighty?
How could this be possible if God does not exist in multiplicity of persons called the trinity (father, Son and Holy ghost)
Like I earlier said dont follow blindly check yourself.

Again see,
Psalms 50:6
And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.

This is a prophecy that a time is coming when God himself will be the judge.
Look at what Jesus said


John 5:22
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:


Is Jesus to be worshipped? Of course he is God
Jesus was worshipped many times in the bible, Thomas even called him my Lord and my God affirming his Deity.
See this,

John 5:23
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

What is the honor we give to the father? That same honor not less should apply to the Son.
Compare

Isaiah 48:11
For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.


For whom were all things created?

Revelation 4:11
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Jesus has same title with God
Isaiah 41:4
Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.


Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.


Revelation 1:17
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

I could go on and on, the whole bible is filled with the fact of the trinity.
Although we cannot fully understand God, for he God said

Isaiah 55:8
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

But we can fully trust what he has revealed in his word the holy bible.
You could seek to study with true christians the gospel as laid down in the bible.

Is the word "Trinity" found anywhere in the Bible? No, it's not.
Is the phrase "God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy
Spirit" in the Bible? No. So what does the Bible say?
THE FATHER: - 'God the Father' 13 times; 'The most high
God' 11 times; 'The Highest' 6 times; 'The only true God' 1
time.
JESUS CHRIST: - 'Son of God' 48 times; 'only begotten' 6
times; God's 'Holy Child' 2 times; His 'firstborn' 4 times.
HOLY SPIRIT: - 'Spirit of God' 26 times; 'God's Spirit' 9 times;
'Thy Spirit' 4 times; 'Spirit of your Father' 1 time; 'Spirit of
Christ' 2 times.
TRINITARIAN: - 'God the Holy Spirit' 0 times; 'God the Son' 0
times; 'God in three persons' 0 times; 'trinity' or 'triune God' 0
times.

Janosky:


@1)
Ephesians 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord
Jesus Christ,

*** ANSWER:
Mumu Pharisees, Matt 11:25,YAHWEH "The Lord of heaven and earth has NO Lord over himself. HE is " the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"
Acts2:36, Yahweh made Jesus a lord.
Solite3 no get sense.


@2)
Solite3 quoted 1Cor 8:6 which PROVED that Jesus is distinct from Almighty God his Father in Ephesians 1:3.
Yet Solite3 still CONTRADICT himself
"That Jesus is infact none else than God Almighty"
Solite3 no get sense at all, mumu Pharisees.


**@3)
John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am
not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my
brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto
my Father, and your Father; and to my God,
and your God."

Rev3:5,12 in heaven and John 20:17 on earth render your John 20:28 false claim INVALID.

I wonder how this trinitarians reason.

johnw47:


oh most duh lying pharisee™ deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ ~~~~~~ and false accuser like hell

normally, and as in my father begat me, means i didn't exist before hand

in Jesus case oh know nothing, when Father begat Jesus He already existed
so He was not created oh most duh one, he was made man:

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.







again oh most duh duh duh one ~~~~~~~~ and copycat like hell
of course Father is the only one God who is the creator of all things
and Jesus is that only one God, john 1:1 who is the creator of all things, john 1:3, laugh,
i only just explained that to you with verses, in the last post
such a blinded mumu

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.



2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

1. Hebrews 1:5 tells us that Jesus was begotten by His
Father. Did He beget Himself?
2. In Matthew 22:44 , the Father said Jesus would sit at His
right hand until His enemies were made His footstool. Was
Jesus to sit at His own right hand?
3. In Matthew 24:36 , when Jesus told His disciples that no
one knows the day or hour of His return but the Father only,
did He really know but made up an excuse to not tell them?
4. In John 14:28 , Jesus said His Father was greater than He
was. Does this mean He was greater than Himself?
5. In John 17:1 , Jesus prayed to His Father. Was He praying
to Himself?
6. In Matthew 27:46 , Jesus cried out, “My God, My God, why
have you forsaken Me?” Had He forsaken Himself?
7. In John 20:17 , Jesus said He would ascend to the Father
after His resurrection. Did He ascend to Himself?
These and many other biblical passages demonstrate to a
rational Bible reader that the Trinity teaching is not only
unbiblical, but also utterly illogical!

solite3:

That is how cultism is, brainwashed with indoctrination.
Even their own bible is so confusing that they are too ashamed to preach with it.

I am weak by their poor reasoning. How can someone without whom creation is not possible be created?
According to Jehovah witness John is wrong someone was created without Jesus Signs

Why can’t theologians explain this doctrine?
By no means are theologians’ explanations of the Trinity
doctrine clear. Religious writer A.W. Tozer, in his book The
Knowledge of the Holy, states that the Trinity is an
“incomprehensible mystery” and that attempts to understand it
“must remain forever futile.” He admits that churches, “without
pretending to understand,” have nevertheless continued to
teach this doctrine (1961, pp. 17-18).
He then remarkably concludes, “The fact that it cannot be
satisfactorily explained, instead of being against it, is in its
favor” (p. 23).
The New Unger’s Bible Dictionary, in its article on the Trinity,
concedes that the Trinitarian concept is humanly
incomprehensible: “It is admitted by all who thoughtfully deal
with this subject that the Scripture revelation here leads us
into the presence of a deep mystery; and that all human
attempts at expression are of necessity imperfect” (1988, p.
1308).
Cyril Richardson, professor of church history at New York’s
Union Theological Seminary, though a dedicated Trinitarian
himself, said this in his book The Doctrine of The Trinity:
“My conclusion, then, about the doctrine of the Trinity is that it
is an artificial construct . . . It produces confusion rather than
clarification; and while the problems with which it deals are
real ones, the solutions it offers are not illuminating. It has
posed for many Christians dark and mysterious statements,
which are ultimately meaningless, because it does not
sufficiently discriminate in its use of terms” (1958, pp.
148-149).
He also admitted, “Much of the defense of the Trinity as a
‘revealed’ doctrine, is really an evasion of the objections that
can be brought against it” (p. 16).
A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge states regarding the
Trinity, “Precisely what that doctrine is, or rather precisely how
it is to be explained, Trinitarians are not agreed among
themselves” (Lyman Abbott, editor, 1885, “Trinitarians”).
Why do even those who believe in the Trinity find it so difficult
to explain?
The answer is simple yet shocking: It’s because the Bible
does not teach it! One cannot prove or explain something from
the Bible that is not biblical! The Bible is our only reliable
source of divine revelation. And the truth, as we will see, is
that the Trinity concept simply is not part of God’s revelation
to humankind.
But don’t just take our word for it! Let’s see what some
standard works of biblical scholarship and other individual
scholars say.
Surprising admissions that the Trinity isn’t in the Bible!
Notice these admissions from a number of reputable sources
and authors who, while themselves affirming the Trinity,
acknowledge that the word “Trinity” and the doctrine is not
found in the Bible.
The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia acknowledges
that “ ‘trinity’ is a second-century term found nowhere in the
Bible, and the Scriptures present no finished trinitarian
statement” (1988, Vol. 4, “Trinity,” p. 914). It further states
that “church fathers crystallized the doctrine in succeeding
centuries”—long after the apostles had passed from the scene.
The HarperCollins Bible Dictionary tells us, “The formal
doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church
councils of the fourth and fifth centuries is not to be found in
the NT [New Testament]” (Paul Achtemeier, editor, 1996,
“Trinity”).
The HarperCollins Encyclopedia of Catholicism states: “Today,
however, scholars generally agree that there is no doctrine of
the Trinity as such in either the OT [ Old Testament ] or the NT
[ New Testament ] . . . It would go far beyond the intention
and thought-forms of the OT to suppose that a late-fourth-
century or thirteenth-century Christian doctrine can be found
there . . . Likewise, the NT does not contain an explicit
doctrine of the Trinity” (Richard McBrien, general editor, 1995,
“God,” pp. 564-565).
The New Encyclopaedia Britannica, in its article on the Trinity,
explains: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine
appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed
gradually over several centuries and through many
controversies . . . It was not until the 4th century that the
distinctness of the three and their unity were brought together
in a single orthodox doctrine of one essence and three
persons” (1985 edition, Micropaedia, Vol. 11, p. 928).
The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology
points out that “primitive Christianity did not have an explicit
doctrine of the Trinity such as was subsequently elaborated in
the creeds of the early church” (Colin Brown, editor, Vol. 2,
1976, “God,” p. 84).
Historian and science fiction writer H.G. Wells, in his noted
work The Outline of History, points out, “There is no evidence
that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity—at any rate
from him” (1920, Vol. 2, p. 499).
Martin Luther, the German priest who initiated the Protestant
Reformation, conceded, “It is indeed true that the name
‘Trinity’ is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has
been conceived and invented by man” (reproduced in The
Sermons of Martin Luther, John Lenker, editor, Vol. 3, 1988, p.
406).
The Oxford Companion to the Bible states: “Because the
Trinity is such an important part of later Christian doctrine, it
is striking that the term does not appear in the New
Testament. Likewise, the developed concept of three coequal
partners in the Godhead found in later creedal formulations
cannot be clearly detected within the confines of the canon
[i.e., actual Scripture]” (Bruce Metzger and Michael Coogan,
editors, 1993, “Trinity,” p. 782).
Professor Charles Ryrie, in his respected work Basic Theology,
writes: “Many doctrines are accepted by evangelicals as being
clearly taught in the Scripture for which there are no proof
texts. The doctrine of the Trinity furnishes the best example of
this. It is fair to say that the Bible does not clearly teach the
doctrine of the Trinity . . . In fact, there is not even one proof
text, if by proof text we mean a verse or passage that ‘clearly’
states that there is one God who exists in three
persons” (1999, p. 89).
Ryrie goes on to state: “The above illustrations prove the
fallacy of concluding that if something is not proof texted in
the Bible we cannot clearly teach the results . . . If that were
so, I could never teach the doctrine of the Trinity” (p. 90).
Millard Erickson, research professor of theology at
Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, writes that the
Trinity “is not clearly or explicitly taught anywhere in Scripture,
yet it is widely regarded as a central doctrine, indispensable to
the Christian faith. In this regard, it goes contrary to what is
virtually an axiom of biblical doctrine, namely, that there is a
direct correlation between the scriptural clarity of a doctrine
and its cruciality to the faith and life of the church.
“In view of the difficulty of the subject and the great amount of
effort expended to maintain this doctrine, we may well ask
ourselves what might justify all this trouble” ( God in Three
Persons: A Contemporary Interpretation of the Trinity, 1995,p.
12).
Professor Erickson further states that the Trinity teaching “is
not present in biblical thought, but arose when biblical thought
was pressed into this foreign mold [of Greek concepts]. Thus,
the doctrine of the Trinity goes beyond and even distorts what
the Bible says about God” (p. 20).
Professor Erickson later points out: “It is claimed that the
doctrine of the Trinity is a very important, crucial, and even
basic doctrine. If that is indeed the case, should it not be
somewhere more clearly, directly, and explicitly stated in the
Bible? If this is the doctrine that especially constitutes
Christianity’s uniqueness . . . how can it be only implied in the
biblical revelation? . . . For here is a seemingly crucial matter
where the Scriptures do not speak loudly and clearly.
“Little direct response can be made to this charge. It is unlikely
that any text of Scripture can be shown to teach the doctrine of
the Trinity in a clear, direct, and unmistakable fashion” (pp.
108-109). Later in this booklet we will consider various
scriptures often used to support the Trinity doctrine.
Shirley Guthrie, Jr., professor of theology at Columbia
Theological Seminary, writes: “The Bible does not teach the
doctrine of the Trinity. Neither the word ‘trinity’ itself nor such
language as ‘one-in-three,’ ‘three-in-one,’ one ‘essence’ (or
‘substance’), and three ‘persons,’ is biblical language. The
language of the doctrine is the language of the ancient church
taken from classical Greek philosophy” ( Christian Doctrine,
1994, pp. 76-77).”

solite3:

That is how cultism is, brainwashed with indoctrination.
Even their own bible is so confusing that they are too ashamed to preach with it.

I am weak by their poor reasoning. How can someone without whom creation is not possible be created?
According to Jehovah witness John is wrong someone was created without Jesus Signs

THE “TRINITY” DOCTRINE
USED FOR EVIL
An Eyewitness Account :
Michael Servetus Villanovanus
burned at the stake
for rejecting “the trinity” doctrine
27th of October 1553
“.Shortly after twelve o’clock,
a procession started from the town-hall of Geneva
-the chief magistrates of the city,
the clergy in their robes, the Lieutenant Criminel
and other officers on horseback… and in their midst,
with arms bound, in shabby, dirty clothes,
walked a man of middle age, whose intellectual face
bore the marks of long suffering…
Mounting the hill, the field of Champel was reached,
and here on sight eminence was the fateful stake,
with dangling chains and heaping bundles of gays.
At this sight the poor victim prostrated himself
on the ground in prayer….
‘Misericordia, misericordia!
Jesu, thou Son of the eternal God,
have compassion upon me!’
Bound to the stake by the iron chains,
with a chaplet of straw and green twigs covered
with sulphur on his head, with long dark face,
it is said that he looked like the Christ
in whose name he was bound.
Around his waist were tied a large bundle
of manuscript and a thick octavo printed book.
The torch was applied, and as the flames spread
to the straw and sulphur and flashed in his eyes,
there was a piercing cry that struck terror
into the hearts of the bystanders.
The gays were green, the burning was slow,
and it was long before in a last agony
he cried again,
‘Jesu, thou Son of the eternal God,
have mercy on me!’
Thus died in his forty-fourth year,
Michael Servetus Villanovanus,
physician, physiologist, and heretic.
…he remained faithful unto death
to what he believed was the Truth
as revealed in the Bible.”
– The execution scene
as described by Sir William Osler
“To enforce the decisions (about the trinity)
of the Council of Nicea, Constantine commanded,
with the death penalty for disobedience…….”
– A History of Christianity
Volume 1 1997
Kenneth Scott Latourette

blueAgent:



Answer my question. would Jesus have existed without God?

blinded beelzebubAgent

do you read the posts, go back and read mine again
i'm not having discussions, enlightening you, a sewer mouth false accuser
you will have to stay with your lies and confusion

Mat_7:6  Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

blueAgent:


1. Hebrews 1:5 tells us that Jesus was begotten by His
Father. Did He beget Himself?
2. In Matthew 22:44 , the Father said Jesus would sit at His
right hand until His enemies were made His footstool. Was
Jesus to sit at His own right hand?
3. In Matthew 24:36 , when Jesus told His disciples that no
one knows the day or hour of His return but the Father only,
did He really know but made up an excuse to not tell them?
4. In John 14:28 , Jesus said His Father was greater than He
was. Does this mean He was greater than Himself?
5. In John 17:1 , Jesus prayed to His Father. Was He praying
to Himself?
6. In Matthew 27:46 , Jesus cried out, “My God, My God, why
have you forsaken Me?” Had He forsaken Himself?
7. In John 20:17 , Jesus said He would ascend to the Father
after His resurrection. Did He ascend to Himself?
These and many other biblical passages demonstrate to a
rational Bible reader that the Trinity teaching is not only
unbiblical, but also utterly illogical!

beelzebubAgent, you know i wont waste any more time explaining anything to you a sewer mouth false accuser
having absolutely no understanding, with lies and confusion

https://www.nairaland.com/5382917/trinity-doctrine-false-doctrine-it/7#81785581

btw, i don't believe the Son is the Father, i believe Father and Son is two persons in God, as in john 1:1
read your post and see how there is no one more duh than you

blueAgent:





I wonder how this trinitarians reason.

They claim to be Christians having the backing of God's holy spirit, right?

Let them go out there and do what Jesus asked his true followers to do and accomplish something worthwhile!
John 15:8, 17:20-23,

All these arguments will amounts to NOTHING! Philippians 2:14, Titus 3:9

God bless you!

Maximus69:


They claim to be Christians having the backing of God's holy spirit, right?

Let them go out there and do what Jesus asked his true followers to do and accomplish something worthwhile!
John 15:8, 17:20-23,

All these arguments will amounts to NOTHING! Philippians 2:14, Titus 3:9

God bless you!

false jw mad™ max

you say: God bless Him
but you also say: he, not being one of you - a false jw, will be killed at armageddon, right

hypocrite

also your god doesn't bless

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

johnw47:




normally, and as in my father begat me, means i didn't exist before hand

in Jesus case oh know nothing, when Father begat Jesus He already existed
so He was not created oh most duh one, he was made man:

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, ( the only begotten of the Father,)

Bible > Topical > Beget
◄ Beget3. ( v. t. ) To produce as an effect; to cause to exist. Compare John5:26. Col1:15.

Jesus Christ NEVER exist until his Father beget him, granted him life before creation of the world..
(The very reason Jesus Christ calls his God "my Father" in heaven ,Revelation 3:2,5,12, and earth, John 20:17.)
In the same manner you can't exist until your parents granted you life.
John15:15, Jesus taught what his Father taught him.
NOT the FRAUD you're being posting up and down.
Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE.

Janosky:


Bible > Topical > Beget
◄ Beget
►
Jump to: Webster's • Concordance •
Thesaurus • Greek • Hebrew • Library •
Subtopics • Terms
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary
1. ( v. t. ) To procreate, as a father or sire; to
generate; to produce; as, poverty can beget
crime.
2. ( v. t. ) To get (with child.)
3. ( v. t. ) To produce as an effect; to cause to
exist.

......

"Father begat him" mumu Pharisees...
Johnw FRAUD, you dey see your FRAUD ?


@ PROOF, Jesus was created...
1Cor 8:6
"Yet there is for us ONLY ONE GOD,
THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL THINGS.....


** You are NOT under obligation to comment on my post.
Shovel your FRAUD into your sawdust brain where it belongs.
Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE.

blueAgent:




Is the word "Trinity" found anywhere in the Bible? No, it's not.
Is the phrase "God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy
Spirit" in the Bible? No. So what does the Bible say?
THE FATHER: - 'God the Father' 13 times; 'The most high
God' 11 times; 'The Highest' 6 times; 'The only true God' 1
time.
JESUS CHRIST: - 'Son of God' 48 times; 'only begotten' 6
times; God's 'Holy Child' 2 times; His 'firstborn' 4 times.
HOLY SPIRIT: - 'Spirit of God' 26 times; 'God's Spirit' 9 times;
'Thy Spirit' 4 times; 'Spirit of your Father' 1 time; 'Spirit of
Christ' 2 times.
TRINITARIAN: - 'God the Holy Spirit' 0 times; 'God the Son' 0
times; 'God in three persons' 0 times; 'trinity' or 'triune God' 0
times.

The word trinity is not in the bible just as the word Bible is not in the bible but the concept is taught in the bible.

blueAgent:


Why can’t theologians explain this doctrine?
By no means are theologians’ explanations of the Trinity
doctrine clear. Religious writer A.W. Tozer, in his book The
Knowledge of the Holy, states that the Trinity is an
“incomprehensible mystery” and that attempts to understand it
“must remain forever futile.” He admits that churches, “without
pretending to understand,” have nevertheless continued to
teach this doctrine (1961, pp. 17-18).
He then remarkably concludes, “The fact that it cannot be
satisfactorily explained, instead of being against it, is in its
favor” (p. 23).
The New Unger’s Bible Dictionary, in its article on the Trinity,
concedes that the Trinitarian concept is humanly
incomprehensible: “It is admitted by all who thoughtfully deal
with this subject that the Scripture revelation here leads us
into the presence of a deep mystery; and that all human
attempts at expression are of necessity imperfect” (1988, p.
1308).
Cyril Richardson, professor of church history at New York’s
Union Theological Seminary, though a dedicated Trinitarian
himself, said this in his book The Doctrine of The Trinity:
“My conclusion, then, about the doctrine of the Trinity is that it
is an artificial construct . . . It produces confusion rather than
clarification; and while the problems with which it deals are
real ones, the solutions it offers are not illuminating. It has
posed for many Christians dark and mysterious statements,
which are ultimately meaningless, because it does not
sufficiently discriminate in its use of terms” (1958, pp.
148-149).
He also admitted, “Much of the defense of the Trinity as a
‘revealed’ doctrine, is really an evasion of the objections that
can be brought against it” (p. 16).
A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge states regarding the
Trinity, “Precisely what that doctrine is, or rather precisely how
it is to be explained, Trinitarians are not agreed among
themselves” (Lyman Abbott, editor, 1885, “Trinitarians”).
Why do even those who believe in the Trinity find it so difficult
to explain?
The answer is simple yet shocking: It’s because the Bible
does not teach it! One cannot prove or explain something from
the Bible that is not biblical! The Bible is our only reliable
source of divine revelation. And the truth, as we will see, is
that the Trinity concept simply is not part of God’s revelation
to humankind.
But don’t just take our word for it! Let’s see what some
standard works of biblical scholarship and other individual
scholars say.
Surprising admissions that the Trinity isn’t in the Bible!
Notice these admissions from a number of reputable sources
and authors who, while themselves affirming the Trinity,
acknowledge that the word “Trinity” and the doctrine is not
found in the Bible.
The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia acknowledges
that “ ‘trinity’ is a second-century term found nowhere in the
Bible, and the Scriptures present no finished trinitarian
statement” (1988, Vol. 4, “Trinity,” p. 914). It further states
that “church fathers crystallized the doctrine in succeeding
centuries”—long after the apostles had passed from the scene.
The HarperCollins Bible Dictionary tells us, “The formal
doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church
councils of the fourth and fifth centuries is not to be found in
the NT [New Testament]” (Paul Achtemeier, editor, 1996,
“Trinity”).
The HarperCollins Encyclopedia of Catholicism states: “Today,
however, scholars generally agree that there is no doctrine of
the Trinity as such in either the OT [ Old Testament ] or the NT
[ New Testament ] . . . It would go far beyond the intention
and thought-forms of the OT to suppose that a late-fourth-
century or thirteenth-century Christian doctrine can be found
there . . . Likewise, the NT does not contain an explicit
doctrine of the Trinity” (Richard McBrien, general editor, 1995,
“God,” pp. 564-565).
The New Encyclopaedia Britannica, in its article on the Trinity,
explains: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine
appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed
gradually over several centuries and through many
controversies . . . It was not until the 4th century that the
distinctness of the three and their unity were brought together
in a single orthodox doctrine of one essence and three
persons” (1985 edition, Micropaedia, Vol. 11, p. 928).
The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology
points out that “primitive Christianity did not have an explicit
doctrine of the Trinity such as was subsequently elaborated in
the creeds of the early church” (Colin Brown, editor, Vol. 2,
1976, “God,” p. 84).
Historian and science fiction writer H.G. Wells, in his noted
work The Outline of History, points out, “There is no evidence
that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity—at any rate
from him” (1920, Vol. 2, p. 499).
Martin Luther, the German priest who initiated the Protestant
Reformation, conceded, “It is indeed true that the name
‘Trinity’ is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has
been conceived and invented by man” (reproduced in The
Sermons of Martin Luther, John Lenker, editor, Vol. 3, 1988, p.
406).
The Oxford Companion to the Bible states: “Because the
Trinity is such an important part of later Christian doctrine, it
is striking that the term does not appear in the New
Testament. Likewise, the developed concept of three coequal
partners in the Godhead found in later creedal formulations
cannot be clearly detected within the confines of the canon
[i.e., actual Scripture]” (Bruce Metzger and Michael Coogan,
editors, 1993, “Trinity,” p. 782).
Professor Charles Ryrie, in his respected work Basic Theology,
writes: “Many doctrines are accepted by evangelicals as being
clearly taught in the Scripture for which there are no proof
texts. The doctrine of the Trinity furnishes the best example of
this. It is fair to say that the Bible does not clearly teach the
doctrine of the Trinity . . . In fact, there is not even one proof
text, if by proof text we mean a verse or passage that ‘clearly’
states that there is one God who exists in three
persons” (1999, p. 89).
Ryrie goes on to state: “The above illustrations prove the
fallacy of concluding that if something is not proof texted in
the Bible we cannot clearly teach the results . . . If that were
so, I could never teach the doctrine of the Trinity” (p. 90).
Millard Erickson, research professor of theology at
Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, writes that the
Trinity “is not clearly or explicitly taught anywhere in Scripture,
yet it is widely regarded as a central doctrine, indispensable to
the Christian faith. In this regard, it goes contrary to what is
virtually an axiom of biblical doctrine, namely, that there is a
direct correlation between the scriptural clarity of a doctrine
and its cruciality to the faith and life of the church.
“In view of the difficulty of the subject and the great amount of
effort expended to maintain this doctrine, we may well ask
ourselves what might justify all this trouble” ( God in Three
Persons: A Contemporary Interpretation of the Trinity, 1995,p.
12).
Professor Erickson further states that the Trinity teaching “is
not present in biblical thought, but arose when biblical thought
was pressed into this foreign mold [of Greek concepts]. Thus,
the doctrine of the Trinity goes beyond and even distorts what
the Bible says about God” (p. 20).
Professor Erickson later points out: “It is claimed that the
doctrine of the Trinity is a very important, crucial, and even
basic doctrine. If that is indeed the case, should it not be
somewhere more clearly, directly, and explicitly stated in the
Bible? If this is the doctrine that especially constitutes
Christianity’s uniqueness . . . how can it be only implied in the
biblical revelation? . . . For here is a seemingly crucial matter
where the Scriptures do not speak loudly and clearly.
“Little direct response can be made to this charge. It is unlikely
that any text of Scripture can be shown to teach the doctrine of
the Trinity in a clear, direct, and unmistakable fashion” (pp.
108-109). Later in this booklet we will consider various
scriptures often used to support the Trinity doctrine.
Shirley Guthrie, Jr., professor of theology at Columbia
Theological Seminary, writes: “The Bible does not teach the
doctrine of the Trinity. Neither the word ‘trinity’ itself nor such
language as ‘one-in-three,’ ‘three-in-one,’ one ‘essence’ (or
‘substance’), and three ‘persons,’ is biblical language. The
language of the doctrine is the language of the ancient church
taken from classical Greek philosophy” ( Christian Doctrine,
1994, pp. 76-77).”

No man can explain God but yet he exist.
The fact that something cannot be explained does not mean it is non existant.
What is important is that it is supported by the bible.

solite3:
The word trinity is not in the bible just as the word Bible is not in the bible but the concept is taught in the bible.

TRINITARIAN: - 'God the Holy Spirit' 0
times; 'God the Son' 0
times; 'God in three persons' 0 times;
'trinity' or 'triune God' 0
times.

Brain scrubbed Solite3 is ALLERGIC to the truth....

Janosky:

Bible > Topical > Beget
◄ Beget3. ( v. t. ) To produce as an effect; to cause to exist. Compare John5:26. Col1:15.

Jesus Christ NEVER exist until his Father beget him, granted him life before creation of the world..
(The very reason Jesus Christ calls his God "my Father" in heaven ,Revelation 3:2,5,12, and earth, John 20:17.)
In the same manner you can't exist until your parents granted you life.
John15:15, Jesus taught what his Father taught him.
NOT the FRAUD you're being posting up and down.
Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE.

lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

you anti "Christ is God" mumus, sure have no comprehension at all, repeating the same nonsense over and over again
which has been explained , but you are painted with the same know nothing brush of no understanding

truly Jesus wasn't made oh blinded ones:

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

i know you don't believe the Bible except where it suits you, but really
Father made nothing without Jesus: "and without him was not any thing made that was made."

see it yet oh blinded and deluded one

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

false jw's say Michael the archangel is Jesus Christ
however when contending with satan Michael said "the Lord rebuke you"

and of course the Lord(Jesus) doesn't say to satan "the Lord rebuke you"
but the Lord Jesus Himself rebuked satan:

Luk 4:8  And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan:

johnw47:




Joh 1:3 

i know you don't believe the Bible except where it suits you, but really
Father made nothing without Jesus: "and without him was not any thing made that was made."

johnw47 :
normally, and as in my father begat
me, means i didn't exist before hand
in Jesus case oh know nothing, when
Father begat Jesus He already existed
so He was not created

Bible > Topical > Beget
◄ Beget3. ( v. t. ) To produce as an
effect; to cause to exist. Compare
John5:26. Col1:15.


Jehovah CAUSED Jesus TO EXIST", Yes Jesus Christ was created before the founding of the world. That's the exact meaning of his Father beget Jesus.
Jesus says his Father granted life to him. John5:26.



Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE, receive sense....


John1:3, is clear that Yahweh created the world THROUGH Jesus.