Cheers01:



Sino has already exposed himself. Empiree, too.

The case is simple. In Saudi Arabia that the law does not state the age of consent and so, a 50 year old man can marry a 14 year old. Would you condemn such a marriage? Sino has already confirmed that he wont condemn such a marriage due to "cultural maturity"


Would you condemn a legal marriage between a 50 year old man and 14 year old girl in Saudi Arabia where it is sanctioned by law?

I am not in Saudi Arabia, therefore I don't know the rate of maturity level over there.

What I know is that maturity varies, what's considered matured in a community can't be considered as matured in another community. What Islam preaches is physical, mental, psychological, emotional maturity and financial maturity (maturity in all forms). Some girls are physically matured but mentally they aren't matured for marriage. Maturity and consent are the two important keys for marriage.

There was an issue that happened few months ago in one of the southwestern states in Nigeria. This man married a girl of 17 years old and the girl ran back to her boyfriend after the second day of the nikkah! Imagine that, it was obvious that she wasn't matured mentally for marriage, just physical maturity. Point is that maturity goes beyond what meets the eye.

lanrexlan:
Lol, he can do that himself. I don't need to tell him. I am here to state my own stance.


Once again, you have brilliantly cherry-picked my words to create arguments that aren't there. I don't have time going around circles. I have explained what I meant by "getting them married". I NEVER call "getting them married" as the ideal situation nor the type of marriage that Islam preaches. Rather, I called it "choosing the lesser evil in an extreme situation" (this is Fiqh) and nowhere did I talked about forcing them to get married. I gave you a real life situation up there, it was the even the girl who requested to get married cos of the fear of fornication and nobody forced her.

I quite know and duly understand that these kids aren't matured for marriage and I took my time to explain what I meant by "getting them married". I think it is very unfair if you are cherry-picking my words and you aren't reading it in the context of what I posted. You decided to choose what you wanna understand and digested and counter it. I can't help that miss.

Once again, I will restate my stance.

There are two things:
1) The best is to tame these kids and be mindful of what they are exposed to it. Keep them in good environment that would tame their desires and will make them learn and have less relation with the opposite sex. That's why it is good to have separate schools for boys and girls and interactions between them should be for what's necessary and required. Teach them about the ethics of Islam as regards to no shaking hands with opposite sex, no seclusion with the opposite sex, etc. If they are getting close to the opposite sex or something that will lead to intimacy is already brewing, reorientate them.This is the best.


2) The extreme situation: One notices that his kid is already having sex with females and the person seems not to have control over the kid again (one can't control kids in what they do in private). He fears that the kid will continue to fornicate and give birth out of wedlock. The kid might be young getting married but is getting married to a kid of his/her age not better than fornication and having a bastard as a child?

We have to choose the lesser of two evils and to me, it is better to marry such a kid (what I meant by a kid is 14years and above) to the person he/she is already seeing than letting the fornication to continue. This is not paedophilia cos they are in the same age range. Some might call it underage marriage and that's why I was explicit with what I meant by "getting them married". I quite explain that.

That you describe something as the lesser of two evils does not mean it is so.

How is marrying an immature teenager a lesser evil? Why is fornication worse than breaking 3 more laws by marrying the two teenagers.

First, you are creating a illegal marriage which breaks secular law. Only adults of mature mind (18 and above) can enter the contract called marriage. Secondly, you are creating a haram marriage as in Islam marriage must be of two mature minds. Thirdly, you are creating Avenue for more fornication. The marriage is illegal and any sex during that marriage is fornication. Furthermore, the teenagers will eventually divorce because it is rare for teenagers to remain with the same partner when they reach their mid twenties.

There is a solution without evil. It is called counselling (for abstinence). There are many counselling options to stop 14 year olds from having sex. What children really need is proper counselling and monitoring.

Seriously, when do 14 year olds have time to have sex? They are in school till 4pm. If you monitor them and make sure you pick them or they follow school bus home, they have very little chance to be mischievous.

Once they are at home, give them activities to focus their minds on positive things and monitor them. They should only go out with friends whom you know their parents and they should be timed. For instance, if they are going to watch a film, make sure they use only the duration of the films.

Seriously, no child is a sex addict at 14.


You guys truly sound like you do not know anything about teenagers.

lanrexlan:
I am not in Saudi Arabia, therefore I don't know the rate of maturity level over there.

What I know is that maturity varies, what's considered matured in a community can't be considered as matured in another community. What Islam preaches is physical, mental, psychological, emotional maturity and financial maturity (maturity in all forms). Some girls are physically matured but mentally they aren't matured for marriage. Maturity and consent are the two important keys for marriage.

There was an issue that happened few months ago in one of the southwestern states in Nigeria. This man married a girl of 17 years old and the girl ran back to her boyfriend after the second day of the nikkah! Imagine that, it was obvious that she wasn't matured mentally for marriage, just physical maturity. Point is that maturity goes beyond what meets the eye.

Saucyxo, the true story is coming out now.


Your Muslim brothers will not condemn the marriage of a 50 year old man to a 14 year old girl in Saudi Arabia. As long as it is sanctioned by a sharia court, they will abide by it.

Lanrexlan is talking about maturity and consent. Ogbeni, a 14 year old lacks the maturity to consent.

Cheers01:



Saucyxo, the true story is coming out now.


Your Muslim brothers will not condemn the marriage of a 50 year old man to a 14 year old girl in Saudi Arabia. As long as it is sanctioned by a sharia court, they will abide by it.

Lanrexlan is talking about maturity and consent. Ogbeni, a 14 year old lacks the maturity to consent.

Why are you tagging me lol you're a grown man. You can handle it. .

Don't worry. Its only a certain type of people think like this. It's really nothing to do with Islam persay but its followers. I think its lack of education. 14 year olds shouldn't be getting married. It's a 17 year olds fault for running out of a marriage. I've never heard of such a ridiculous thing. Obviously the girl didnt want to get married. Nigerians need to stop this silly "my way is the best way" kind of mentality. Mind ya business. She wants to have a boyfriend not get married. Periodt.

Saucyxo:


Why are you tagging me lol you're a grown man. You can handle it. .

Don't worry. Its only a certain type of people think like this. It's really nothing to do with Islam persay but its followers. I think its lack of education. 14 year olds shouldn't be getting married. It's a 17 year olds fault for running out of a marriage. I've never heard of such a ridiculous thing. Obviously the girl didnt want to get married. Nigerians need to stop this silly "my way is the best way" kind of mentality. Mind ya business. She wants to have a boyfriend not get married. Periodt.

I am tagging you so that you understand why people have a serious distrust of Islam.

On the one hand, there are moderate muslims like you that are well integrated into a peaceful secular society.

On the other hand, there are conservative muslims like Empiree that support underage marriage, hate topless parades, hates LGBTQ etc.

Who do we believe? Both sides have huge numbers. I would even posit that there are more muslims like Empiree than muslims like you.

Saucyxo:


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The act of child abuse is different from pedophilia. You can be attracted to kids (which many muslim grown men are) making you a pedophile and do nothing about it and also be a molester and a child abuser which is the molestation and abuse of a child (anyone below 18 or the legal age of consent). Similar to how you can have thoughts about stealing but you're not a thief until you actually steal. Thats what Empiree is being accused of supporting, child molestation/abuse.

Islam mandates anyone getting married to be mature? A 14 year old boy that doesn't have a job and is being financially and emotionally supported by his parents when hes meant to be a guardian for a woman is mature?

Age of consent as dictated by society has seen a couple of changes, now that 18 is said to be the age of consent in Nigeria and some other places doesn't mean it is the standard that each society/country must adhere to! If a child at 14 commits a crime, no society would say let's leave him/her alone, they are just children, rather they create avenues in correcting the child depending on the gravity of the crime, and in some cases, they are even tried in court as adults!

Pedophilia is also child molestation and abuse, and Islam does not in anyway encourages this! Marriage is lawful between mature individuals, who agree to marry and not forced! What if the 14 year old child wants to get married?! No?! But you agree she can have a boyfriend or girlfriend?! And have sex?! I have already pointed it out that maturity as depicted in Islam entails more than just having a monthly period or wet dreams, it involves understanding you are responsible for your actions as it affects your life and more importantly, your hereafter!

Saucyxo:

You wrote a lovely summary on the movement of the addition of P to the LGBTQ+ agenda. Great. There are people who are sexual deviants. If you were actually interested in the topic, rather than using it for a counter argument then, you'd find it irrelevant to the topic at hand. There are women and men who find it sexually arousing to be beaten, raped, defecated on, urinated on, choked. There are men who find it sexually arousing to be locked using a chastity belt. There are men and women who find sexual pleasure in KILLING women. Theres are terms usually end in phillia to indicate unnatural behaviour towards sex. The second you kill someone for sex, you stop being a necrophile and you start being a murderer! The second someone that is sexually attracted to children touches a child ( anyone below 18 or below the legal of consent) they start being a child molester. The united nations law, after extensive research on the ability of the mature mind has named anyone below the age of 18 a child.

Anyone who promotes or advocates for the sexual contact of a child and an adult, is promoting child molestation. If grammatical wording is your issue. Also, in the study of the CHILDREN that are being married by the United nations. Only 1 in 25 men are actually below the age of 18 and 0.3% of them are below 15.

Of course I mentioned my digression to point out the fact that all these sexual orientations being bandied about are "diseases" that should require proper attention, rather than finding excuses of genetics or that is the way they are and not their choice!

Definitions are important, I had been reading how people on here have been claiming one is a pedophile or supporting pedophilia which is wrong! I do not have an issue with the UN claiming anyone below 18 is a child, but in the recent past, this was not the case as even in Nigeria, most of our grandparents especially females marry below the age of 18! Wouldn't it be foolhardy to claim your grandparents where child abusers and molesters?!

Saucyxo:

You sit and think about the psychology of a child. One that is easily influencable. Not only that, you act as if a large majority of these little girls and boys are asking to be married. They rarely come to their parents and say they want to marry a 40 year old due to risk of fornication. These children are at high health risk. They are DYING. A 14 year old girl that is in the care of her 40 year old husband. Neither of them understand how to take care of women after childbirth. These little girls DIE. Like have you no soul?

As I have mentioned previously, culture and traditions differ, societies abound with their own ways and norms, a 14 year old in Lekki phase 1 is different from a 14 year old in Mushin Ajina! That is just in Lagos o! A lot of teenage boys in Lagos that are less than 18 are working and earning money, most of them are into cultism and you know what, they all have girlfriends of same age bracket having sex, some are already having children!

The cases of VVF and its attendant issues as much to do with poor health care system and the state of the economy, the age of the mother could be a risk factor, but it isn't the cause! Secondly, in cultures where they marry early, they usually have a support system especially from extended family in taking care of the mother and child...Of course the government in those areas where this is rife are partnering with international organisations in improving the primary health care, as well as awareness, even against early marriage.

Cheers01:



Saucyxo, the true story is coming out now.


Your Muslim brothers will not condemn the marriage of a 50 year old man to a 14 year old girl in Saudi Arabia. As long as it is sanctioned by a sharia court, they will abide by it.

Lanrexlan is talking about maturity and consent. Ogbeni, a 14 year old lacks the maturity to consent.

I refused to get baited, this is still logicboy. No matter the moniker, it is still the same guy.

So, you expected me to give you a yes or no answer for such a question?! I don't live in Saudi Arabia, I haven't interacted with a 14 years old Saudi Arabian girl to ascertain if she is matured in all ramifications (physically, mentally, emotionally, etc and her consent for marriage). Then, how do you expect me to answer a question regarding the marriage of a 14 years old girl in Saudi Arabia?! Egbon, why na?

I have given you the yardstick for marriage in Islam, it is your assignment to put such 14 years old girl from Saudi Arabia through that Islamic criteria and see if she fits in.

I don't have to do that for you, work man Do that yourself and answer.

Saucyxo:


Why are you tagging me lol you're a grown man. You can handle it. .

Don't worry. Its only a certain type of people think like this. It's really nothing to do with Islam persay but its followers. I think its lack of education. 14 year olds shouldn't be getting married. It's a 17 year olds fault for running out of a marriage. I've never heard of such a ridiculous thing. Obviously the girl didnt want to get married. Nigerians need to stop this silly "my way is the best way" kind of mentality. Mind ya business. She wants to have a boyfriend not get married. Periodt.

Wow, @ bold so you agree that she can have a boyfriend and have sex than "getting married"?! So, fornication and potentially having kids outta wedlock is better than "getting married?"

Wawu, no wonder logicboy is "romancing" you with the tag of "moderate Muslim"

Cheers01:


There is a solution without evil. It is called counselling (for abstinence). There are many counselling options to stop 14 year olds from having sex. What children really need is proper counselling and monitoring.

Seriously, when do 14 year olds have time to have sex? They are in school till 4pm. If you monitor them and make sure you pick them or they follow school bus home, they have very little chance to be mischievous.

Once they are at home, give them activities to focus their minds on positive things and monitor them. They should only go out with friends whom you know their parents and they should be timed. For instance, if they are going to watch a film, make sure they use only the duration of the films.

Seriously, no child is a sex addict at 14.


You guys truly sound like you do not know anything about teenagers.

Wow, nice piece man. I quite agree with you, I talked about reorientation too for those having sex. My "getting them married" was for the extreme situation and I thought you should understand that part, but you seem not to.

@bold, I put it to you that I have friends having constant sex at JSS2! We were just between the range of 13-15 years that time! I know girls who got pregnant within that age frame. There are news about primary school kids having sex in school toilet, so "they are in school till 4pm or when do they have time to have sex" don't work most times. It boils down to orientation and what they are busied with and the friends they keep. This is part of child upbringing in Islam. But let's be frank, how many people can painstakingly followed what you wrote up there, especially in the west?

I quite agree with your submission but the problem is that most parents don't have time for their kids. Some kids even see their parents in the morning and when they came to pick them from school. Sometimes, these kids go home themselves and they alone at home. That's when they have access to all these immoral things.

All in all, nice submission. Bring your head, make I put medal.

lanrexlan:
Wow, @ bold so you agree that she can have a boyfriend and have sex than "getting married"?! So, fornication and potentially having kids outta wedlock is better than "getting married?"

Wawu, no wonder logicboy is "romancing" you with the tag of "moderate Muslim"

When God put herself and myself in this world, were we conjoined? Was my belief and faith intertwined with hers? Did God put me in this life to do is His job on the day of Judgement? How is it your business to force someone to get married if they just want to have sex? You don't need to agree, you dont need to disagree. It's hasn't got anything to do with you! Are you a perfect Muslim? Are you a perfect man? We all are sinners. Every single one of us and our salvation is in the Mercy of God. You dont even know if that's how God has written her life to be. Or maybe she doesn't believe in God. MIND YA BUSINESS!!!!!

I can't believe this. Someone forces a 17 year old into marriage and you're saying it's better than her sleeping around? Why do care about her vagina? Is it your own How does it affect your life She has every right to run away. She has told you her intentions. She is a child for goodness sake. I don't want her to have sex so you marry her to do what Shes now having sex with someone she doesnt like so she can be getting cursed. As in it's not even making sense What do you think you have done there Islam is very clear on intentions. She didnt marry out of not wanting to fornicate. You literally sold her into prostitution for fake Nikkah. Do you think God is a dummy Girl wants to sleep around. Parent forces girl to get married? Do you think God is stupid and He doesn't see that her (your) intentions of marriage was make it seem like shes not committing sin. She doesn't want to marry. When God speaks to her He will. Till then as a parent, educate her. Find the root of her issue. It's your job to know your child. What about islam does she feel shes lacking? Why doenst she have the same attitude towards her creator? If youve truly tried your best as a parent to guide and educate then theres nothing you can do. You cant trick God by hiding your fornicating daughter in marriage. It's her that will have to use her intentions to answer to God. If you're an onlooker MIND YA BUSINESS. Focus on your own.

Thank u next.

^^^^^^^ I am done replying you on this. I NEVER for once supported forcing any girl into marriage. I NEVER for once supported marrying them against their consent. This is the second time you are busy twisting my words, it is unfair miss. All is well sha

Bye bye

lanrexlan:
Wow, @ bold so you agree that she can have a boyfriend and have sex than "getting married"?! So, fornication and potentially having kids outta wedlock is better than "getting married?"

Wawu, no wonder logicboy is "romancing" you with the tag of "moderate Muslim"

I dont know who logicboy is and I dont care. I'm against any disgusting man that thinks it's okay for a CHILD to get married. Dirty shameless disgusting men that put islam to shame.

Potentially having kids outside wedlock? What does that even mean? Why is it your decision to make?

So in order to prevent having kids outside wedlock, one should have a fake unhappy marriage so they can do what? She doesn't want to have sex with that old raggedy man. She wanted to sleep with her boyfriend.

This is why this remains a stupid cycle. Nigerians are so freaking egoistic and uneducated its ridiculous!!! This is the 21st century!!! Catch up with the rest of the of world!! Studies have shown if you educated women and boosted their self esteem and allowed them to understand their value and worth, they wouldn't be sleeping around. You act as if women are stupid and you pass them from father to husband. All they know how to be is at the back and call of men. Their father will treat them one way and if any man treats them that way too they will off pant. How about have your men take responsibility for once in Nigerian history. Ask your men to respect themselves. These are kids. Why are you looking at a 14 year olds breast, you're mad. You need to be stoned. KMT

sino:


Age of consent as dictated by society has seen a couple of changes, now that 18 is said to be the age of consent in Nigeria and some other places doesn't mean it is the standard that each society/country must adhere to! If a child at 14 commits a crime, no society would say let's leave him/her alone, they are just children, rather they create avenues in correcting the child depending on the gravity of the crime, and in some cases, they are even tried in court as adults!

Pedophilia is also child molestation and abuse, and Islam does not in anyway encourages this! Marriage is lawful between mature individuals, who agree to marry and not forced! What if the 14 year old child wants to get married?! No?! But you agree she can have a boyfriend or girlfriend?! And have sex?! I have already pointed it out that maturity as depicted in Islam entails more than just having a monthly period or wet dreams, it involves understanding you are responsible for your actions as it affects your life and more importantly, your hereafter!




Of course I mentioned my digression to point out the fact that all these sexual orientations being bandied about are "diseases" that should require proper attention, rather than finding excuses of genetics or that is the way they are and not their choice!

Definitions are important, I had been reading how people on here have been claiming one is a pedophile or supporting pedophilia which is wrong! I do not have an issue with the UN claiming anyone below 18 is a child, but in the recent past, this was not the case as even in Nigeria, most of our grandparents especially females marry below the age of 18! Wouldn't it be foolhardy to claim your grandparents where child abusers and molesters?!



As I have mentioned previously, culture and traditions differ, societies abound with their own ways and norms, a 14 year old in Lekki phase 1 is different from a 14 year old in Mushin Ajina! That is just in Lagos o! A lot of teenage boys in Lagos that are less than 18 are working and earning money, most of them are into cultism and you know what, they all have girlfriends of same age bracket having sex, some are already having children!

The cases of VVF and its attendant issues as much to do with poor health care system and the state of the economy, the age of the mother could be a risk factor, but it isn't the cause! Secondly, in cultures where they marry early, they usually have a support system especially from extended family in taking care of the mother and child...Of course the government in those areas where this is rife are partnering with international organisations in improving the primary health care, as well as awareness, even against early marriage.

The United Nations Convention on the Rights of a child, signed by every country and mandated by all except the USA (due to capital punishment) has researched and done studies and have declared that every body under the age of 18 is a Child. No child should be tried to adult court. No child should be slept with under the age of 18. No body should murder. The bill is one that takes into account the current status of the country and tries to fix it.
Most countries have, in a pursuit to follow the Bill that they signed and agreed to have abolished trying kids to adult court. I think it's the uk left.

Listen. I know sex outside marriage is a sin. I am a muslim. Just like drinking and smoking. Not lowering your gaze. Wearing gold as a man. Eating pork. Except when your child eats pork, you scold them, ask them to stop and if they continue to do it, that's what you continue to do. You dont them in a cage and force them only eat chicken. As muslims, we know that we sin. Sinning and repenting is part of our Islam in a sense. Dont, because your child has sinned (Against God oo, not against you) force them into something that is very detrimental to their life. Please If you actually care, read about the implications of child marriage especially when parents are involved. It is socially and emotionally detrimental. The kids arent having sex because they care about eachother really or they want to get married or to fulfils Gods plan or anything. They're doing it because they cant control their sexual urges and they dont know any better. That doenst mean you hand Azeez a condom and tell him to enjoy himself. But at the same time you dont put them in the shackles of marriage. Like normal 14 year olds they'll break up in 4 months. Both parents will now start indirectly forcing them to stay together. The reality of marriage is, the longevity is based on mutual respect, perseverance, the ability to see the bigger picture. The reality is who you are at 14 and who you are at even 17 are two very different people. All of a sudden all the the sexual urges for that specific person is gone and a 14 year old doesn't see any bigger picture. Amina is now looking rubbish while Aisha is looking good.

Will you now be divorcing every 4 months or will you force them to be in an unsustainable relationship. Which isn't even halal because who are you fooling? I see these kids dont want to get married so you think God wont know?

Dont ruin your childs future because you're ashamed of their sins. How do you think God feels about yours?

Saucyxo:


Tell Em.piree to explicitly say that he condemns old Muslim men that marry women under 18.

I owe you absolutely no explanation or apology. You constantly twist words. smh Yet you claimed to love reading english and you passed reading test. But you failed woefully here. Anyways, everything you said is based on your emotion not reality. I have posted references in forms of videos, screenshots but you rather looked the other way.

Again, I am using your statement against you. You said earlier that "there is no universal right or wrong". So why do you think you can force your opinion on others?. I will try not to get ban again by posting some details i tried to post 3 days ago to no avail with evidence of a friend of mine that i tried to glean from her fb page, who gave birth to her first child when she was 14 yrs old. Her child is now 25 and happy. And VVF that you and that idiot in new york who called herself Stella Damascus keep talking about has nothing to do with age but your environment that govt doesn't care about. If your govt set up standard healthcare system no such thing would happen

Empiree:
I owe you absolutely no explanation or apology. You constantly twist words. smh Yet you claimed to love reading english and you passed reading test. But you failed woefully here. Anyways, everything you said is based on your emotion not reality. I have posted references in forms of videos, screenshots but you rather looked the other way.

Again, I am using your statement against you. You said earlier that "there is no universal right or wrong". So why do you think you can force your opinion on others?. I will try not to get ban again by posting some details i tried to post 3 days ago to no avail with evidence of a friend of mine that i tried to glean from her fb page, who gave birth to her first child when she was 14 yrs old. Her child is now 25 and happy. And VVF that you and that idiot in new york who called herself Stella Damascus keep talking about has nothing to do with age but your environment that govt doesn't care about. If your govt set up standard healthcare system no such thing would happen

Lol wetin concern me. You advocate for child molesters. Why are you offended If you believe its the right thing.

We've moved on babes...
Like I explained. We are not discussing if it's right it wrong. We are discussing how child molestation is illegal and detrimental to child. We are discussing why Muslim men are obsessed with little girls.

Lol oh please. You've posted your prized possession of a screenshot already. Thank God you're not a Nigerian representative in the States and nairaland has people that are able to travel far and wide. Anyways. We have seen your evidence. Did you read the 50,000 women that died from child marriage. Oh. But your friend didnt so obviously it's all false.

Speaking on the so called "underage marriage" tagged pedophilia which is predominant in muslims countries or sub saharan Africa, and ofcourse non muslims do too pretty. Good intention led them to this practice. It is more cultural or traditional than religion. Therefore, they don't see it as ilegal. I am not gonna use modern terminology to describe them. That's irrelevant at this point.

Their good intention was that they wanted to protect or guard their young daughters from fassad which is no doubt prevalent now worldwide. When i was growing up, what i understood about Hausa/Fulani was that they "married" their unborn daughters to unborn sons from another families or they "married" them as babies and allowed them to grow together. I think this practice used to be in yoruba land as portrayed in primordial yoruba movies. The whole idea behind this was to avoid the opposite of what's happening in modern time. This is also practiced in Egypt. This is called "arranged marriage" but it is not binding if these children grow up and dont like one another. They are free to marry or have their parents arrange for them other partners. So they married very young but it was not consummated until they reached age of maturity. This marriage is legal under shari'a. Obviously in this type of arranged marriage parents support them in everything until they can stand on their own. This is why Hausa people give birth early unlike South-western nigeria.


However, I dont know when they reached level of marrying a young girl as young as 15 to 40 or 50 year old. I dont know when this started. I heard about this first time when issue of Yarima came up some years back. The only reason I can sense behind this is ladies grow up faster and mature faster than boys sexually. A girl born in the same year with a boy matured faster than boy. I gave one example earlier about a friend of mine on facebook who became grandmother at 36. I tried to screenshot her profile yesterday titled "Twenty Six Things About Me" but was unsuccessful. I have finally able to glean her profile and attached it to this post. Just do the calculation and figure out at what age she gave birth to her first child?. I should post her picture and her daughter but she knows i am on this platform. So i must respect her privacy. This lady is about my age. At the time she gave birth, I definitely had no idea anything about women as a teenager which means this lady matured faster than me. She now has 4 children. Her oldest child is 25 this yr. Her last born is 15 years old. In nigeria, you can hardly find someone whether man or woman has a child at this age. Her baby father is 11 yrs older than her which means baby father is 51 yrs old now. He was 25 yrs old at the time she gave birth. He was never persecuted nor wanted for sex with minor. Her elder brother became grandfather when he was 30 yrs old and he has 5 babymamas. He is only 44 yrs old now. These are Americans.

"There Is No Universal Right or Wrong"

As we close this topic, We thank God for providing us with the access and the ability to gather information and form opinions. We thank God for our ability to type and express ourselves. We hope that we have not abused this ability and may God forgive us for our unintentional wrongdoings in the course of this conversation. May Allah grant us all the spirit of discernment. May He continue to guide us in our path to righteousness.

The prayer is for you too cheers01

Please let's just leave this topic. We all have opposing views and theres no progression. Imagine if we died tomorrow and this is what our last deed on earth was. lanrexlan, sino, empiree, we are muslims and let's just keep happy thoughts. My honest most sincerest apologies if I offended anyone during the course of this conversation.

Let's all share good news
Testimony time!

Saucyxo:
As we close this topic, We thank God for providing us with the access and the ability to gather information and form opinions. We thank God for our ability to type and express ourselves. We hope that we have not abused this ability and may God forgive us for our unintentional wrongdoings in the course of this conversation. May Allah grant us all the spirit of discernment. May He continue to guide us in our path to righteousness.

The prayer is for you too cheers01

Please let's just leave this topic. We all have opposing views and theres no progression. Imagine if we died tomorrow and this is what our last deed on earth was. lanrexlan, sino, empiree, we are muslims and let's just keep happy thoughts. My honest most sincerest apologies if I offended anyone during the course of this conversation.

Let's all share good news
Testimony time!

You are praying for an atheist?

Thanks anyway. Dont forget to invite me for any Sallah/Ramadan feast you are doing.

*MYSTERY OF DNA*

If you have SEX with a man, his DNA lives in you forever.

Workman noted that a research by university of Seattle USA has proven that;
There is now a greater understanding of why God asks us not to have SEX before we get married.

*This research proves that any man, that a woman has SEX with leaves a part of his DNA in the woman*.

The man who has had more SEX with her, leaves more of his DNA in the woman. So when a woman ovulates, the eggs that she produces contain more of other DNAs.

So we need to educate the girl child to remain a virgin till marriage.

*Anytime you have SEX with another man you become one with that man (spiritually too) and carry the man's DNA and according to Workman this is called SEX Web especially when the woman has multiple SEX partners*.

At some point when you have too many of the male DNA in you; you change, because your cells are changing.

That also proves why when married couples live together for a long time they end up looking alike. *The woman's DNA changes when she has sex with men*. This is very serious.

*The world should know this and stop silly SEX promotions*.

It is bad than good.
Unfortunately women are the victims.

This was found out in many other research articles mostly released this year. So it is new and we all have to know.

*The fact is,women retain DNA from every man they have slept with*.

Cells transferred from a man to a woman during intercourse become integrated into the woman's body after SEX, every single time they have SEX.

*This study found the presence of genetically distinct male cells in the brain of women*. This also means these other male cells will be found in a foetus when the woman gets pregnant.

(This is called microchimerism.)

*Every male you absorb sperm from becomes a living part of your life*. Sperm is a living substance. Living cells. It enters your bloodstream and collects in your brain and spine.

*Stop experimenting with SEX*.

When the sperm enters a woman it swims until it hits a wall and then seeps into your flesh.

If it's in your mouth, (abomination) it can get into your nasal areas, behind your eyes and even your inner ear. It then enters your bloodstream and collects in your brain and spine. You can never get rid of it.

It becomes a part of you forever. These are the true consequences of sexual intercourse.

Workman Leadership College says this Original research is from University of Seattle and Fred Hutchinson cancer research center.

They accidentally found this when they were researching to find out why pregnant women carrying boys get men neurological diseases.

This is real and not a joke.!!!

*Stop having SEX if you are not married*.

And stop having SEX with others than your husband, for the married.

*The consequences of doing this is devastating,humiliating and horrible*

*No wonder the world is the way it is,many marriages no longer hold water in peace,truth and love*!

Many children from most homes have behavioral tendencies alien to both parents

Now you know the possible cause

*Say no to SEX when not married*.

*Say no to EXTRA-MARITAL affairs also*.

*KEEP SHARING*

Cheers01:



You are praying for an atheist?

Thanks anyway. Dont forget to invite me for any Sallah/Ramadan feast you are doing.

I dont eat meat lol sorry!

I'll invite you to a nice prayer session though

Empiree:
*MYSTERY OF DNA*

If you have SEX with a man, his DNA lives in you forever.

Workman noted that a research by university of Seattle USA has proven that;
There is now a greater understanding of why God asks us not to have SEX before we get married.

*This research proves that any man, that a woman has SEX with leaves a part of his DNA in the woman*.

The man who has had more SEX with her, leaves more of his DNA in the woman. So when a woman ovulates, the eggs that she produces contain more of other DNAs.

So we need to educate the girl child to remain a virgin till marriage.

*Anytime you have SEX with another man you become one with that man (spiritually too) and carry the man's DNA and according to Workman this is called SEX Web especially when the woman has multiple SEX partners*.

At some point when you have too many of the male DNA in you; you change, because your cells are changing.

That also proves why when married couples live together for a long time they end up looking alike. *The woman's DNA changes when she has sex with men*. This is very serious.

*The world should know this and stop silly SEX promotions*.

It is bad than good.
Unfortunately women are the victims.

This was found out in many other research articles mostly released this year. So it is new and we all have to know.

*The fact is,women retain DNA from every man they have slept with*.

Cells transferred from a man to a woman during intercourse become integrated into the woman's body after SEX, every single time they have SEX.

*This study found the presence of genetically distinct male cells in the brain of women*. This also means these other male cells will be found in a foetus when the woman gets pregnant.

(This is called microchimerism.)

*Every male you absorb sperm from becomes a living part of your life*. Sperm is a living substance. Living cells. It enters your bloodstream and collects in your brain and spine.

*Stop experimenting with SEX*.

When the sperm enters a woman it swims until it hits a wall and then seeps into your flesh.

If it's in your mouth, (abomination) it can get into your nasal areas, behind your eyes and even your inner ear. It then enters your bloodstream and collects in your brain and spine. You can never get rid of it.

It becomes a part of you forever. These are the true consequences of sexual intercourse.

Workman Leadership College says this Original research is from University of Seattle and Fred Hutchinson cancer research center.

They accidentally found this when they were researching to find out why pregnant women carrying boys get men neurological diseases.

This is real and not a joke.!!!

*Stop having SEX if you are not married*.

And stop having SEX with others than your husband, for the married.

*The consequences of doing this is devastating,humiliating and horrible*

*No wonder the world is the way it is,many marriages no longer hold water in peace,truth and love*!

Many children from most homes have behavioral tendencies alien to both parents

Now you know the possible cause

*Say no to SEX when not married*.

*Say no to EXTRA-MARITAL affairs also*.

*KEEP SHARING*

Lanrexlan, Sino ati Rilwayne001,

I know two of you guys liked this above comment from Empiree.


Unfortunately, this is fake news. The way Male cells end up in female brains is through pregnancy- from child to mother in the womb. It is not through sex.

Empiree and his fake news. Copy and paste nonsense.

Saucyxo:


I dont eat meat lol sorry!

I'll invite you to a nice prayer session though

Prayer session to a God that I do not believe in?

If that is case, I wouldn't mind praying behind you. That way, I can look at your bended behind when I'm bored.

Anyhow, I'm used to switching behind vegetarian and non vegetarian diets.


No worries sha. I know you are not ready for an atheist friend yet.

If you have sex with a man, his DNA doesn't live in you forever lol. That's false. Sperm are haploid cells that die in a couple of days. The only way a woman would have gathered make DNA is by pregnancy or by having a older brother with the same mother.


Microchimerism has nothing to do with sex... unless you get pregnant. Theres not a single study that shows any correlation between microchimerism and sex.

Men!!!! Stop sleeping around. Actual studies have shown men think about sex more. Men actively pursue sex more. Men masturbate more. Men, over a lifetime have more sexual partners. Men lose their virginity at a younger age and feel less guilty about sex.

Men!!!! Guide your chastity

Cheers01:


Prayer session to a God that I do not believe in?

If that is case, I wouldn't mind praying behind you. That way, I can look at your bended behind when I'm bored.

Anyhow, I'm used to switching behind vegetarian and non vegetarian diets.


No worries sha. I know you are not ready for an atheist friend yet.

Lol. I have lots of athiest friends. Thats so funny.

Ew. I meant a lecture or discussion about various themes in Islam.

I'm not a vegetarian lol I just dont eat meat

Saucyxo:


Lol. I have lots of athiest friends. Thats so funny.

Ew. I meant a lecture or discussion about various themes in Islam.

I'm not a vegetarian lol I just dont eat meat

No worries. I see you leaving religion soon, anyway.

Cheers01:



No worries. I see you leaving religion soon, anyway.

Whys that ?

Saucyxo:
If you have sex with a man, his DNA doesn't live in you forever lol. That's false. Sperm are haploid cells that die in a couple of days. The only way a woman would have gathered make DNA is by pregnancy or by having a older brother with the same mother.


Microchimerism has nothing to do with sex... unless you get pregnant. Theres not a single study that shows any correlation between microchimerism and sex.

Men!!!! Stop sleeping around. Actual studies have shown men think about sex more. Men actively pursue sex more. Men masturbate more. Men, over a lifetime have more sexual partners. Men lose their virginity at a younger age and feel less guilty about sex.

Men!!!! Guide your chastity

It would be interesting if you could shed light on your research. The above research was sent by a non muslim friend.It is still open to counter challenges

Empiree:
It would be interesting if you could shed light on your research. The above research was sent by a non muslim friend.It is still open to counter challenges

Just keep quiet and accept that you posted rubbish.

Saucyxo:


Whys that ?

I'm speaking from experience.

Empiree:
It would be interesting if you could shed light on your research. The above research was sent by a non muslim friend.It is still open to counter challenges

Absolutely! I'm sure you friend read a blog post from a very clickbait website called yournewswire.com which has now been deleted now I think.
Here's the link of the false blog post. http://archive.is/phVpT

The blogpost refers to a study and it seems the person who wrote the blog, summarised the study and then added their own opinion.

https://archive.is/ZefMP
Here's the actual study that explains that male microchimerism, is found in women who may have had pregnancies they didnt know about, women that shared a womb with a man, women that have an older brother with the same mother. Or women who's mother had a transfusion. Across various studies.


Theres no mention of sexual intercourse even though it has been speculated but theres more suggestion against it and no actual study or evidence.