Logobenz:
And I wonder what makes you think I don't have all,the help i need
I'm super fine out here

No. I don’t think so. You have issues with a woman being the best she can be? Why are you worried if the man is the bread winner or not? Does that in anyway make you feel better? Why are you fishing for information on people’s homes? So you can come up with alternate names to bash?

Well, to me, I am conversing with usernames so details of my private life is actually not something that should matter to anyone on this forum. However, it seems you have issues with breadwinners when your mum was actually one? Do you resent that? Why are you on MGTOW side when your mum is someone they will hate? The mind boggles.

baby124:

No. I don’t think so. You have issues with a woman being the best she can be? Why are you worried if the man is the bread winner or not? Does that in anyway make you feel better? Why are you fishing for information on people’s homes? So you can come up with alternate names to bash?

Well, to me, I am conversing with usernames so details of my private life is actually not something that should matter to anyone on this forum. However, it seems you have issues with breadwinners when your mum was actually one? Do you resent that? Why are you on MGTOW side when your mum is someone they will hate? The mind boggles.

I never asked for informations about your home.
I was just being realistic for an African woman and feminism,that's all.

Logobenz:
I never asked for informations about your home.
I was just being realistic for an African woman and feminism,that's all.

Cultures differ. Homes differ. One of my great grand mother’s employed men and she was married. Even richer than her husband. Now, tell me... is this not an African woman? So what exactly is African where the feminist contexts comes into play?

In my culture, women don’t sit around to be fed. They actually work, married and earn their way in life with a lot being bread winners! All African culture and even within Nigeria is not the same. Yoruba actually are much more liberal about restricting women to stereotypes and labels. We don’t have the oriaku culture for women.

The feminist rights most women are fighting for would be obtainable by women in traditional Yoruba society, without the need to ascribe a label to it. In the current scheme of things, foreign religion has corrupted a lot of values and taken us back where we never belonged. So, when speaking of your culture, it may not be the reality of others.

A supportive spouse is a blessing and is to the benefit of both parties. Financial obligations in a marriage demand this. It would be extremely stupid of a man not to support his wife to be the best she can be. Trust me, there will be very good and dark days! All hands on deck to cushion the dark days when they come.

By the way, Governor Fayemi’s wife is a feminist. An outspoken one. Did it stop the husband from being very successful? Two successful people can motivate each other you know. At the end of the day, a secure and confident man will not be intimidated by his wife’s sucesses.

Feminism is not negative and was never intended to be. Your mum defines everything that a feminist is, quite surprisingly

baby124:

Cultures differ. Homes differ. One of my great grand mother’s employed men and she was married. Even richer than her husband. Now, tell me... is this not an African woman? So what exactly is African where the feminist contexts comes into play?

In my culture, women don’t sit around to be fed. They actually work, married and earn their way in life with a lot being bread winners! All African culture and even within Nigeria is not the same. Yoruba actually are much more liberal about restricting women to stereotypes and labels. We don’t have the oriaku culture for women.

The feminist rights most women are fighting for would be obtainable by women in traditional Yoruba society, without the need to ascribe a label to it. In the current scheme of things, foreign religion has corrupted a lot of values and taken us back where we never belonged. So, when speaking of your culture, it may not be the reality of others.

it's always good to speak for yourself,not as a people because if I start listing the Yoruba leeches I know ehn...
Anyways your Grandma and her likes is just a minute decimal statistic,since the bulk of your gender literally beg/Bleep to feed(currently with one I paid overnight for some serious fucking).till you all fix that,I don't see feminism going anywhere here.
That has always been my point.

Logobenz:
it's always good to speak for yourself,not as a people because if I start listing the Yoruba leeches I know ehn...
Anyways your Grandma and her likes is just a minute decimal statistic,since the bulk of your gender literally beg/Bleep to feed(currently with one I paid overnight for some serious fucking).till you all fix that,I don't see feminism going anywhere here.
That has always been my point.

Not true. A big number of your gender also beg to eat and sleep with women for money. It’s all in the same measure. My grandma was not a minute population. There are very many! Traditionally Yoruba women work too! I was not raised to sit down as a house wife.

Those girls you sleep with will not be available if men like you do not require their service. So you are not any better than them. Though you would like to think you are because the difference between you and them is the money you have to pay! You pay for sex though? You need to get a serious woman.

Prostitution is the oldest business in the world. Respect those women. Without them you will be even more grumpy. They are providing you a much needed service as we can see. They are not leeches. They had to spend the night with you, working hard for their money.

baby124:

Not true. A big number of your gender also beg to eat and sleep with women for money. It’s all in the same measure. My grandma was not a minute population. There are very many! Traditionally Yoruba women work too! I was not raised to sit down as a house wife. Those girls you sleep with will not be available if men like you do not require their service. So you are not any better than them. Though you would like to think you are because the difference between you and them is the money you have to pay! You pay for sex though? You need to get a serious woman.

I am not better than the women I pay for sex?are you serious right now?
If I wasn't better,how come I am the one paying?
So are you trying to say the number of gigolos equal that of prostitutes?
Also,I am working towards that,will marry a very pretty girl from schooldays this year's end.

Logobenz:
I am not better than the women I pay for sex?are you serious right now?
If I wasn't better,how come I am the one paying?
So are you trying to say the number of gigolos equal that of prostitutes?
Also,I am working towards that,will marry a very pretty girl from schooldays this year's end.

No my dear, you are not better than any of them. Are any of your customers who come to patronize your business better than you? I bet you are even richer than most. Paying for sex is a business transaction. She rendered you a service which you requested. Without demand, there would be no supply. This is why abroad they go after the people who solicit sex as well as the prostitutes.

As a woman, I can tell you that there are as many male prostitutes and gold diggers as there are women. Successful women will tell you this for free. Rumor has it that a former high placed government official was changing Nigerian men like pant. Some even throwing themselves at her worse than runs girls. So, no gender is better than the other. Let’s not even go to the gay prostitutes.

Abeg stop with the prostitute thing before you catch something and give your wife. Condom does not prevent HPV and can cause cervical cancer in women, though it does nothing to men. Prostitutes have a high chance of carrying this infection. So, find a good woman and stick to her. These are terrible days.

Jman06:
Lolzzz....we'll not leave you ok, cheer up! We understand how bad the world would become for the womenfolk if we decide to stay on our own. So we've long decided to pity your aszes and treat you like necessary evils.

Lmao, what kind of confusion is this?

One minute they want to go the next minute they will stay and treat women as necessary evil.

Biko go on your way don't pity us.

Goodbye and please don't come back.

cococandy:


Probably the same person who didn’t teach you that social aspects of any community includes but is not limited to their culture, language, food, religion, traditions and even ways of dressing. Basic social studies but what do I know?

You could pick religion as a cause of inequalities in one of the mentioned societies above. I don’t disagree that different causes may call for different approach. It doesn’t make it any less a social issue as long as it’s affecting human beings.

If it involves one human relating to another in any form, then it’s a social issue despite the branch that it falls under

Cococandy, we must not drag this further. I can see from your profile that you are based in the US and going by your antecedents,you also identify as a feminist.
This subject is something we have dealt with as a group and your line of arguments have been brought to the fore countless times so i understand you. As a feminist,do you belong to any active women organizations in your city?
I am asking because i can get some of my colleagues at the center for global women's leadership out of Rutger's to contact the state chapter (of a women's advancement organization which i am hoping you will be registered with as an active feminist) and furnish them with the research on how tackling cultural foundations as a first step, provides a speedy solution to gender inequality in sub-saharan Africa. What you call social aspects are just consequences which a social intervention will only placate but not eliminate completely.

If you are up for it,of course.

baby124:


As a woman, I can tell you that there are as many male prostitutes and gold diggers as there are women.

Source?

Or am I to assume you pulled that out of your behind?

-Lord

Jman06:
Ehn..call us weak, we agree! But no more slaving for women just because of some smelly thing in between their legs!

Marriage does not favour men at all. Isaac Newton saw through all the anti men nature of marriage and women, that was why he never got married nor had any romantic relationship with women!

Many of us want to be like Newton!

Smelly thing in between their legs? But that’s where you came from.

That makes you a smelly grown man.

Know this; any guy who hates women, body shames them had broken childhood.

There was a topic here asking guys what they hate about their childhood.

It was an eye opener. If Nairaland has 200 male active users, 150 of them came from broken background. Their stories were horrible. Most changed ID to tell their stories.
It's not really girlfriend boyfriend issue.

Daddy mostly abusing them and abandoning them. Beating their mum and always telling her she is nothing.
All these have great side effect on a growing child.

So sometimes, instead of attacking them, just show them that despite how their background looked like, women is never their problem. When they meet the one for them, it will be paradise on earth. Yes we have bad eggs from both sides and as humans we are not perfect but overall the union of man and woman is still the best.

In my hood, u see men and women bonding with cats and animals instead of humans because they can't forgive human imperfections. No wonder they are always scammed online looking for love.

And it will continue if these guys don't change.
They give birth to boys they can't train emotionally.

An average life span of a Nigerian man is less than 65.
Not because he don't have food on his table but because his mind is very toxic. So proud, unyielding and un-bending cos he don't want to appear weaker.

And with their mindset they have been ruling Nigeria since independence. We can see how peaceful and progressive a nation we are.

sassysure:

An average life span of a Nigerian man is less than 65.
Not because he don't have food on his table but because his mind is very toxic. So proud, unyielding and un-bending cos he don't want to appear weaker.

And with their mindset they have been ruling Nigeria since independence. We can see how peaceful and progressive a nation we are.

Saudi Arabian, Emirati, and Qatari men are worse based on that definition; yet their respective nations are peaceful.

Don't conflate a developmental challenge with gender issues?

Etteh and Oduah were Nigerians.

-Lord

LordAdam16:


Saudi Arabian, Emirati, and Qatari men are worse based on that definition; yet their respective nations are peaceful.

Don't conflate a developmental challenge with gender issues?

Etteh and Oduah were Nigerians.

-Lord

Saudi Arabia is peaceful?
All these Muslim brotherhood countries?
I know a lot about those countries and pls don't ever use them
Extreme patriarchal society with religion that backed them is what u are using as examples?

Nigeria don't have females in power. When they do, we will know.

I read ur post up there when u are warning ladies to desist from coming here.
Are u for real, really?
Seems like the small fame some of us enjoy in this faceless forum has gotten into our head.
Some more notorious and popular have come and gone, so take it easy. There is no competition here,bro.

bukatyne:
Interesting.

I was scanning to find they are staying off sex and I can see that.

So I can take them serious.

That said, 70k men pulling out of society might seem small, constant addition over the years would spell doom for the women in that society interested in heterosexual marriages.

Such women would also have to lower their standards else a lot of them would be single or settle for men already in relationships.

This would also herald the official state of babymamaism. Now, we still have baby mamas of A marrying B. Then it would be baby mamas staying as baby mamas.

It is really going to be a bleak situation and I believe, another movement especially for the women (anti-feminism? Red pill girls? Religious movement?) would act as a balance so that more men would be pulled back into the society.

A society where men decide to pull out would fail and breed unnatural mating laws. Also think of lower birth rates, poor role models for the male child, gender selection favoring the male child at conception, rise of homosexuality, transgender etc.

It is a grim picture.

Hopefully, both genders would go back to the drawing board before it fails at the center.

And this is peculiar to the West for now. Nigerians have a different problem.

I've said it that the western society will fall in the nearest future. China and Russia will take over the future. None of these nonsense is happening in those eastern countries, feminism is a swear word in Russia. The West are ostracizing and feminizing their men forgetting that they are not the only people on earth while Russia and China are sitting somewhere laughing. This is a very big opportunity for Africa for to seize a sizable amount of global power but we are too dumb here to see beyond the present and too stupid copying every nonsense happening in the West. That's why you see feminist wannabes all over Twitter and Facebook

baby124:
Indeed!!! The ones that like sex too will be shouting MGTOW, until they see a girl twerking and they GTOW! Mtschew! Keep deceiving yourselves with other deceptive entities in your group who cannot go one week without sex. They chop, clean mouth and then come and shout your national anthem! We know una . It’s your type that will be crying to just put the tip

you will not understand the plight of those men because you don't live in the West. There's no real reason for a Nigerian man to go MGTOW. The beautiful girl twerking, and flirting with you might regret that sex and decide to fúck your life up the next morning she wouldn't even need evidence to do it since "no means no and consent can be withdrawn during sex" nonsense is a standard there and it won't even take her 30 seconds to make you lose your job and be smeared for life. By the time you compare those dangers to 5 minutes of fleeting pleasure you will realize that it's not worth it.

sassysure:

Saudi Arabia is peaceful?
All these Muslim brotherhood countries?
I know a lot about those countries and pls don't ever use them
Extreme patriarchal society with religion that backed them is what u are using as examples?

Nigeria don't have females in power. When they do, we will know.

I read ur post up there when u are warning ladies to desist from coming here.
Are u for real, really?
Seems like the small fame some of us enjoy in this faceless forum has gotten into our head.
Some more notorious and popular have come and gone, so take it easy. There is no competition here,bro.

Yes. Saudi Arabia is peaceful. The UAE is peaceful. And Qatar is peaceful.

The world is diverse and complex.

If you don't know that, maybe you should pick up an Atlas rather than espouse ignorance so willfully.

The only female to have ever won the Fields Medal--the most prestigious award in Mathematics--is an Iranian.

She schooled from elementary to undergraduate years in Iran. Won awards and competitions against both genders in Iran. That's a country where women are banned from entering stadiums. Yet, in the same country, 49.8 percent of university students are female.

No Qatari citizen is poor, male or female. Iran is more industrialized than Nigeria even though you have the ability to come on a public forum and type uneducated BS.

So maybe you need to adjust that pink-tinted glasses of yours and stop seeing men as the reason for your underachievement in life!

-Lord

lilbest4:
to be honest you are smart and have foresight. I've said it that the western society will fall in the nearest future. China and Russia will take over the future. None of these nonsense is happening in those eastern countries, feminism is a swear word in Russia. The West are ostracizing and feminizing their men forgetting that they are not the only people on earth while Russia and China are sitting somewhere laughing. This is a very big opportunity for Africa for to seize a sizable amount of global power but we are too dumb here to see beyond the present and too stupid copying every nonsense happening in the West. That's why you see feminist wannabes all over Twitter and Facebook

U don't know what u are talking about.
Do research about some topics very well before u write on them.

Tell me where I'm wrong. I don't read mainstream because it's highly distorted. I have access to real Russians living in real Russian societies don't believe in what you research on Google it's a leftist /feminist controlled cesspool

sassysure:


U don't know what u are talking about.
Do research about some topics very well before u write on them.

sassysure:


U don't know what u are talking about.
Do research about some topics very well before u write on them.

Take your own advice.

The Eastern cultures do not buy these Western ideals. And it's not just the usual suspects in China and Russia. It's also developed Western-oriented societies like Japan and South Korea.

Unsurprisingly, when you frame an otherwise logical cause as a Battle between sexes, those who satisfied with the status quo (of both genders I should add) would push back unapologetically.

-Lord

LordAdam16:


Yes. Saudi Arabia is peaceful. The UAE is peaceful. And Qatar is peaceful.

The world is diverse and complex.

If you don't know that, maybe you should pick up an Atlas rather than espouse ignorance so willfully.

The only female to have ever won the Fields Medal--the most prestigious award in Mathematics--is an Iranian.

She schooled from elementary to undergraduate years in Iran. Won awards and competitions against both genders in Iran. That's a country where women are banned from entering stadiums. Yet, in the same country, 49.8 percent of university students are female.

No Qatari citizen is poor, male or female. Iran is more industrialized than Nigeria even though you have the ability to come on a public forum and type uneducated BS.

So maybe you need to adjust that pink-tinted glasses of yours and stop seeing men as the reason for your underachievement in life!

-Lord

Living in subjugation isn't living in peace.
U rate peaceful countries with the level of freedom it grants it's citizens. For the records, the women in those countries are simply slaves. Male slaves are better than them.
I ain't discussing about how rich the countries are.
U just deviated.
I'm not good in arguments, honestly especially when we deviate from the original post.

Pls stop. It's not competition

sassysure:


Living in subjugation isn't living in peace.
U rate peaceful countries with the level of freedom it grants it's citizens. For the records, the women in those countries are simply slaves. Male slaves are better than them.
I ain't discussing about how rich the countries are.
U just deviated.
I'm not good in arguments, honestly especially when we deviate from the original post.

how are you better than them and who are you to decide who is free and who is in bondage?
Every society has law, culture and traditions that keep them together and peaceful, you don't have any right to decide whether they're living in subjugation or not. This was how Europeans came, dictate our fate and destroyed our culture

LordAdam16:


Take your own advice.

The Eastern cultures do not buy these Western ideals. And it's not just the usual suspects in China and Russia. It's also developed Western-oriented societies like Japan and South Korea.

Unsurprisingly, when you frame an otherwise logical cause as a Battle between sexes, those who satisfied with the status quo (of both genders I should add) would push back unapologetically.

-Lord

U write rubbish honestly.
Use Google at least.

sassysure:


Living in subjugation isn't living in peace.
U rate peaceful countries with the level of freedom it grants it's citizens. For the records, the women in those countries are simply slaves. Male slaves are better than them.
I ain't discussing about how rich the countries are.
U just deviated.
I'm not good in arguments, honestly especially when we deviate from the original post.

No, you rate peaceful countries with the number of internal conflicts they have.

Don't change the meaning of a word that has a very clear meaning in the dictionary.

The DRC is not peaceful. Yemen is not peaceful. Syria is not peaceful. Afghanistan is not peaceful. Honduras is not peaceful.

You bunch of overpampered urchins have no respect for the peace, rights, and stability you enjoy. And that's why you guys have very glaring difficulty in convincing entire cultures to subscribe to your viewpoint that's laden like a frontal attack.

How can you with access to the Internet claim Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and UAE are not peaceful; for the simple reason that you want to flip the meaning of a word that clear as vodka.

Maybe you should consider refining your knowledge before telling other cultures how they should treat their natives.

-Lord

Lmao. That Google, a leftist /feminist controlled cesspool is your standard explain perfectly why you are very misinformed.
Referring him to Google is like a Muslim preaching to a Christian referring him to the Koran lol

sassysure:


U write rubbish honestly.
Use Google at least.

sassysure:


U write rubbish honestly.
Use Google at least.

Same Google tells me that

In a global survey of women in parliaments, Japan ranked 123rd out of 189 countries.

In Japan's Diet, women hold slightly less than 10% of seats.
In the lower house of the Diet, women hold only 8% of seats, with 19% in the upper house.
Less than 1% of mayors were women.

That's a country with the THIRD largest economy in the world after the US and China.

-Lord

lilbest4:
Tell me where I'm wrong. I don't read mainstream because it's highly distorted. I have access to real Russians living in real Russian societies don't believe in what you research on Google it's a leftist /feminist controlled cesspool

Russia u used as an example came into full feminism after the collapse of the Soviet union. Check it out.
China was late but has advanced a lot. U need to know the China of old and today, then compare and contrast.

I'm not disputing the fact that these countries where highly patriarchal and subdue women( which country didnt). Even the West was worst than what we obtain in our country but they have evolved.
I will.give u example with south korea, last yr, their only ever female president was impeached and sentenced not because she seems to be the most corrupt but because she is a woman( i follow their politics more than I follow naija).I wouldn't want to go into details to prove why I think so.
South Korea is highly patriarchal. But they have giving up a lot and their women have voice. They completely compete favourably with men and the most important is that they don't change their surname when they marry.
Infact, I will say that both Japan, China etc don't do that.
What again is feminism?
The west still use their husbands instead of fathers name like us.

lilbest4:
Lmao. That Google, a leftist /feminist controlled cesspool is your standard explain perfectly why you are very misinformed.
Referring him to Google is like a Muslim preaching to a Christian referring him to the Koran lol

So everything on Google is written by so called feminists?

sassysure:

Russia u used as an example came into full feminism after the collapse of the Soviet union. Check it out.
China was late but has advanced a lot. U need to know the China of old and today, then compare and contrast.

I'm not disputing the fact that these countries where highly patriarchal and subdue women( which country didnt). Even the West was worst than what we obtain in our country but they have evolved.
I will.give u example with south korea, last yr, their only ever female president was impeached and sentenced not because she seems to be the most corrupt but because she is a woman( i follow their politics more than I follow naija).I wouldn't want to go into details to prove why I think so.
South Korea is highly patriarchal. But they have giving up a lot and their women have voice. They completely compete favourably with men and the most important is that they don't change their surname when they marry.
Infact, I will say that both Japan, China etc don't do that.
What again is feminism?
The west still use their husbands instead of fathers name like us.

lmao. Feminism is more acceptable in Nigeria than Russia. So you believe patriarchy was women oppression? I always knew you feminists wannabes don't know history, how the world works and very far removed from reality. Patriarchy NEVER oppressed women, in fact it's the only system that truly worked and catered for everyone. Everything you see in the world today was built because women and men lived interdependently together under patriarchy

LordAdam16:


Same Google tells me that



That's a country with the THIRD largest economy in the world after the US and China.

-Lord

If u know how far a country like Japan has come when it comes to women control, u wouldn't be saying this.

I'm not debating about economy or money.

We are talking of freedom.
Giving women freedom. Freedom to compete in a male dominated world.

Like I said, u don't know what u are debating actually.
Japanese women were even in workforce more than the US in the last century.
The equality ratio between their women and men is not like what u obtain in Nigeria or those Arab extremists countries u used as examples.

That is what I know feminism is all about.
When u give women equal opportunities to excel in male dominated world's. It's now left to them to dive in or not but the room is open for them to compete. No discrimination.

The countries are not religious by the way.

lilbest4:
lmao. Feminism is more acceptable in Nigeria than Russia. So you believe patriarchy was women oppression? I always knew you feminists wannabes don't know history, how the world works and very far removed from reality. Patriarchy NEVER oppressed women, in fact it's the only system that truly worked and catered for everyone. Everything you see in the world today was built because women and men lived interdependently together under patriarchy

What are u saying?
What is feminist wannabe?

I hope we are having matured discussion

I noticed that feminism etc kinda discussion in this forum is very sensitive topic and I try to avoid it as much as possible until I was lured in.
If it's the naija kind of feminism for or against ,count me out.
I am not ready for such discussion pls.

LordAdam16:


Yes. Saudi Arabia is peaceful. The UAE is peaceful. And Qatar is peaceful.

The world is diverse and complex.

If you don't know that, maybe you should pick up an Atlas rather than espouse ignorance so willfully.

The only female to have ever won the Fields Medal--the most prestigious award in Mathematics--is an Iranian.

She schooled from elementary to undergraduate years in Iran. Won awards and competitions against both genders in Iran. That's a country where women are banned from entering stadiums. Yet, in the same country, 49.8 percent of university students are female.

No Qatari citizen is poor, male or female. Iran is more industrialized than Nigeria even though you have the ability to come on a public forum and type uneducated BS.

So maybe you need to adjust that pink-tinted glasses of yours and stop seeing men as the reason for your underachievement in life!

-Lord

This is interesting. Do you have her name? would like to read or watch an excerpt on her experiences.