Maximize52:
The celebrated cross carpeting occurred in 1951 before the independence elections of 1959. The cross carpeting led to the mutual mistrust between the west and the east. Azikiwe was betrayed in that almost all the NCNC members in the western region house deserted him and joined AG overnight NCNC was in the majority in the Western Region House. This singular act introduced tribal politics in Nigeria and also led to the AG and NCNC not being able to reach a common term to form the coalition that will form the government at the center after the 1959 elections. Azikiwe discovered that AG was in discussion with NCNC and NPC simultaneously to form the government at the center after the 1959 elections. This irked both Ahmad’s Bello and Azikiwe and paved the way for NCNC and NPC to form the coalition and thus formed the government at the center in 1960. People should research and know the sequence of events to know the truth.

He should have tried to govern northern Nigeria not western

Iamgrey5:
You know how your people travel like refugees now

And Yorubas don't travel!

You should know that there are bucket loae of your refugees everywhere you go.

Besides, I was hoping you give me address of where you stayed in kaduna.

Yeah! Any narrative that assuage your inferiority complex is welcome.

Yorubas don't travel . If someone open a thread to say there is no Yoruba population in let's say Niger state all of you will bare your fangs! Maintain one narrative, Yorubas don't travel or they have less population in the east compared to other regions.

Refugees? Well if that is the term used to define a people who venture out of their domain to pursue goals and make ends meet. Then all the 300+ tribes in Nigeria are refugees.

Maximize52:
The celebrated cross carpeting occurred in 1951 before the independence elections of 1959. The cross carpeting led to the mutual mistrust between the west and the east. Azikiwe was betrayed in that almost all the NCNC members in the western region house deserted him and joined AG overnight NCNC was in the majority in the Western Region House. This singular act introduced tribal politics in Nigeria and also led to the AG and NCNC not being able to reach a common term to form the coalition that will form the government at the center after the 1959 elections. Azikiwe discovered that AG was in discussion with NCNC and NPC simultaneously to form the government at the center after the 1959 elections. This irked both Ahmad’s Bello and Azikiwe and paved the way for NCNC and NPC to form the coalition and thus formed the government at the center in 1960. People should research and know the sequence of events to know the truth.

This is a lie that have been perpetrated by people all along to justify Azikwe treachery and betrayal of the southern cause. Right from inception, Pa Awolowo never was in unison with the north and it will be an insult on the late sage to try to say he’s tryna form a government with the Northerners.

Balewa infact never liked Awolowo and that was captured succinctly by the NYT, I have other archives about the actual run of play that precede that 1959 election and it’s documented that it won’t be possible for Awo to even form a government with the north.

To address your first sentence, can you please tell me what is called a regional system of government? Each region should have the autonomy to rule its people with their resources. Wouldn’t it be a sacrilege for an Igbo to become the premier of the great and developed Yoruba people then?

So you mean Azikwe will be summoning the Yoruba Kings as their premier and he will be lording over the Agbekoyas (Farmers) who are the financier of the western region government .

So Azikwe will be the one to be calling the shots, he will be the one to implement free education, free healthcare, first among first in Yoruba lands, he will be the one to make and mar our Oba and the future of the Yorubas will be in the hands of an Igbo man. How does that sound to you bro!

gwafaeziokwu:


Yeah! Any narrative that assuage your inferiority complex is welcome.

Yorubas don't travel . If someone open a thread to say there is no Yoruba population in let's say Niger state all of you will bare your fangs! Maintain one narrative, Yorubas don't travel or they have less population in the east compared to other regions.

Refugees? Well if that is the term used to define a people who venture out of their domain to pursue goals and make ends meet. Then all the 300+ tribes in Nigeria are refugees.

Nah,

Only the igbos who run away from their land like there is an epidemic of some sort in their land are refugees in Nigeria .

Niger is a neighbouring state to Kwara which has a significant Yoruba population. Hence, it is very likely there's a huge junk of Yorubas there.

On the other hand, your people pack in buses like badly packaged sardines to escape from the reality in your region, only to start claiming to be living a better life than those that allowed to seek asylum in their place.

LegendHero:


This is a lie that have been perpetrated by people all along to justify Azikwe treachery and betrayal of the southern cause. Right from inception, Pa Awolowo never was in unison with the north and it will be an insult on the late sage to try to say he’s tryna form a government with the Northerners.

Balewa infact never liked Awolowo and that was captured succinctly by the NYT, I have other archives about the actual run of play that precede that 1959 election and it’s documented that it won’t be possible for Awo to even form a government with the north.

To address your first sentence, can you please tell me what is called a regional system of government? Each region should have the autonomy to rule its people with their resources. Wouldn’t it be a sacrilege for an Igbo to become the premier of the great and developed Yoruba people then?

So you mean Azikwe will be summoning the Yoruba Kings as their premier and he will be lording over the Agbekoyas (Farmers) who are the financier of the western region government .

So Azikwe will be the one to be calling the shots, he will be the one to implement free education, free healthcare, first among first in Yoruba lands, he will be the one to make and mar our Oba and the future of the Yorubas will be in the hands of an Igbo man. How does that sound to you bro!

They know how it sounds
They are just butt hurt Azikwe got sacked

Same way Igbo isn’t sad they started civil war
Rather they are sad they lost the war
Once you know how Igbo thinks their behaviour won’t Suprise you again

gwafaeziokwu:


Yeah! Any narrative that assuage your inferiority complex is welcome.

Yorubas don't travel . If someone open a thread to say there is no Yoruba population in let's say Niger state all of you will bare your fangs! Maintain one narrative, Yorubas don't travel or they have less population in the east compared to other regions.

Refugees? Well if that is the term used to define a people who venture out of their domain to pursue goals and make ends meet. Then all the 300+ tribes in Nigeria are refugees.

f


Yorubas are actually the most travelled group in Nigeria

Maximize52:
The celebrated cross carpeting occurred in 1951 before the independence elections of 1959. The cross carpeting led to the mutual mistrust between the west and the east. Azikiwe was betrayed in that almost all the NCNC members in the western region house deserted him and joined AG overnight NCNC was in the majority in the Western Region House. This singular act introduced tribal politics in Nigeria and also led to the AG and NCNC not being able to reach a common term to form the coalition that will form the government at the center after the 1959 elections. Azikiwe discovered that AG was in discussion with NCNC and NPC simultaneously to form the government at the center after the 1959 elections. This irked both Ahmad’s Bello and Azikiwe and paved the way for NCNC and NPC to form the coalition and thus formed the government at the center in 1960. People should research and know the sequence of events to know the truth.

And the coalition led to 4 million Igbo deaths eh eh

Osaze007:


They know how it sounds
They are just butt hurt Azikwe got sacked

Same way Igbo isn’t sad they started civil war
Rather they are sad they lost the war
Once you know how Igbo thinks their behaviour won’t Suprise you again

Seems you understand them more than me because I can’t even fathom the thought of them Justifying the action of Azikwe to even dare to become the premier of the western region.

Isn’t it this same people that can’t even allow the Fulanis within an inch of their territory and suddenly they are blaming the Yorubas for halting the error of Zik for trying to even vie for such a post.

mrvitalis:

So now awolowo won the war for Nigeria and u saying Igbo's betrayed him for not voting him ?

We should have thanked him for his role in the war with our votes right ?

You were going to lose the war anyway, Awolowo just made it fast so that the body count won't get to 10 million dead Igbo to 1000 dead Fulani. You should build him a statue in the middle of Anambra!!!!

meccuno:
I can clearly see the stance of this Legend Hero guy. I even assumed he was a bit sensible. From his write up the Igbos are the problems and the Yorubas can stay alone. But from that logic,the Yorubas and the North have been the ones rulling since after the civil war so how does the Igbos factor in? Are you saying a combined leadership of the North and Yorubas have brought nothing but mediocrity? Yorubas can stay alone but since after Independence you don't hear them talk about their oduduwa. This Legend Hero is just trying to create a false narrative. And it won't work. It all the problems were from the Igbos,the sensible thing is for them to support division and let's see how far.

Shagari's deputy nah Yoruba man nah.
Mumu

mrvitalis:

Because south west pushed us ....we would romance north again in 2023 ...and would you blame us ?

Do u really expect an igbo man to support south west ...what's the logic ?

Is it your turn ? ..haven't u ruled before ? Didn't u betray n romance north in 2015 ? Tell me y we shouldn't romance north

Southwest fought the northern cabal to make jonathan acting president in 2010 and voted him in 2011, though pastor tunde bakare was buhari' running mate. Check your records

Another drivel from you? What is the thrust of your posting today?

LegendHero:
I stumbled upon the archive of the New York Times in October 18th 1959 on the eve of the election battle preceding the independence. The article clearly shows the genesis of the problem of Nigeria and how the Igbos and North both ganged up against the Yorubas because of their hatred for the success of the Western region.

Excerpts from the paper shows the Western Region is the most developed and richest region in Nigeria pre-1960, and it also capture succinctly what I have been saying that the Yorubas will be far better off with our Oduduwa Republic than remaining in this Nigeria that is pulling us down.

Below are the quotes from the Times newspaper:

The conservative North, 75 percent Muslim and containing about half of Nigeria's population, is governed by the Northern people's congress. The premier is Alhaji Sir Ahmadu Bello, who carries the title of Saraduana of Sokoto.

In the East, where the intelligent, energetic Ibo tribes predominates the controlling party is the National Council of Nigeria and the Cameroons, headed by one of the most dazzling of Nigerian politicians, Dr. Nnamdi Azikwe, premier of the Eastern region, who is known throughout the country as Zik.

In the somewhat more developed west, which is Yoruba Country, the government is run quite well, it is said by Chief Awolowo, an able politician, and his Action group. The West points with pride to its universal free primary education, free medical treatment for children up to 18years of age, agricultural planning and other social programs of which no other Nigerian region can boast of.

On the Hatred of the Yorubas by Azikwe and Balewa:
The Federal government whose prime minister is Abubakar Tafawa Balewa, a muslim notable from the north, is managed by a coalition of the Northern people congress and National council of the Nigeria and the Cameroonians, two parties that have very little in common except mutual dislike of the third (Awolowo).

Anytime the Igbos accuse Yorubas of being betrayals, you should direct them to this factual statement of their eternal betrayal of the Yorubas by being slaves to the North and being a coward to conspire with the north to hate Awolowo who would have made this Nigeria a great country.

Please Nairalanders, read the rest of the details in the affix pages below.
CC: MetaPhysical Osaze007 Afamed Iblad0994 Asnafsaeed immortalityk Anambralstson buhariguy Johnnyessence Omenka SLAP44 lazz

Modified: some people are asking me for the source of the news. You need to subscribe to the website to be able to view the archives, even if you click on the link you won’t be able to view until after you subscribe.

https://www.nytimes.com/1959/10/18/archives/election-battle-warms-in-nigeria-three-parties-seek-control-of.html?searchResultPosition=2

Uchek:
Another drivel from you? What is the thrust of your posting today?

You can read the NYT column and my earlier comments to see my stance

mrvitalis:
Yoruba's are funny ....after what happened to zik in the western region where he was betrayed

U expected him really to form a government with awolowo ? Funny
Same way u expect Niger delta to support the west in 2023 after what u did in 2015

Same thing awolowo was expecting Igbo support after his role in the civil war ?

U betray someone then turn expect the person to support u ...after they say Igbo's don't build bridges

You mentioned 2015,why didn’t you mention 2010 after the death Musa Yar Adeyanju how West through Save Nigeria group rallied round Gej to become the president,and you also failed to mention 2011 when Gej was voted by whole states except Osun in west. At the end he ended up calling the leaders in west motor garage touts.
Though I like reading comments on this kind of thread but your post made me comment. you should not try to mislead people by covering the truth to justify our opinion. It is unfair!
Below is a thread you all bashed Yoruba elders for meeting Gej on marginalization of west region.
https://www.nairaland.com/745731/yoruba-marginalization-elders-met-jonathan

If both Zik and Ahmadu Bello hated Awolowo so much, why did Awolowo chose to become one Nigeria with the two leaders of the two tribes that hated him?What

Why didn't Awolowo demand for self-independence in 1956 for Yoruba Nation , instead of Enahoro proposed self-esteem governmemt and allowed the East and North to form One Nigeria given their twin hatred for Awolowo?

Why did Awolowo join the North, that hated Awolowo, to fight Biafra instead allowing the North and East, his two enemies, to politically settle their score in the Nigeria-Biafra Civil War?

I live in New York and a subscriber of New York Times. You want us to accept the objectivity of this report from NYT. I hope when I post the same NYT report portraying Awolowo and Yorubas in bad light, you won't reject the report.

LegendHero:


What are you talking about? You Igbos are serial betrayers and you have been in romance with the feudal Fulanis from the onset.
Did you see how the New York Times describes it:
"The Federal government whose prime minister is Abubakar Tafawa Balewa, a muslim notable from the north, is managed by a coalition of the Northern people congress and National council of the Nigeria and the Cameroonians, two parties that have very little in common except mutual dislike of the third (Awolowo)."

The Western region being the most developed, richest, most advance region at then was envied by Azikwe and he had no choice than to side with the Muslim north hiding under the rubbish banner of one Nigeria to perpetrate his hate .

The Igbos through Azikwe betrayed the southern alliance by forming a government with the Northerners and you guys are shamefully justifying that.

Verdict: The Igbos are cowards and serial betrayal of the southern hemogeny.

Are you YORUBA?

mrvitalis:

We could have formed a new party convince north to take power

Now answer the other part what do u want from Igbo's in 2023

mrvitalis:
Who killed akintola ?

Igbo coup.

In this day and age, you should not read somewhere and advertise your ignorance on social media. You should provide empirical evidence of what you read. Infinitum the common sense thing to do is to keep your "l read somewhere" to yourself.

You portray yourself as intelligence and objective.

Osaze007:


I read somewhere Azikwe wanted to remove the oba of Benin and Lagos and turn both places into districts
The god of western Nigeria dealth with Nnamdi Azikwe and his entire people


Today his people are looking for secession clause Azikwe refused to put to spite Yoruba

I’m sure if igbos could go back in time they will tell zik to let it in the constitution
But hatred clouded his judgement

Uchek:
If both Zik and Ahmadu Bello hated Awolowo so much, why did Awolowo chose to become one Nigeria with the two leaders of the two tribes that hated him?What

Why didn't Awolowo demand for self-independence in 1956 for Yoruba Nation , instead of Enahoro proposed self-esteem governmemt and allowed the East and North to form One Nigeria given their twin hatred for Awolowo?

Why did Awolowo join the North, that hated Awolowo, to fight Biafra instead allowing the North and East, his two enemies, to politically settle their score in the Nigeria-Biafra Civil War?

I live in New York and a subscriber of New York Times. You want us to accept the objectivity of this report from NYT. I hope when I post the same NYT report portraying Awolowo and Yorubas in bad light, you won't reject the report.

Yes I won’t reject the report, it’s good to have another subscriber here so we can harness the report from an objective pint of reason.

For your first question, you are mixing facts up, Awolowo cannot reject one Nigeria, he was a proponent of that One Nigeria but he was only telling them it’s better we realize our differences and that each region should grow at their own pace.

Awolowo cannot demand for self-independence of the Yoruba nation coz they are all fighting the devil (British) first and they had nothing else on their mind that to be independent of the queen’s rule. If you could check the run of play of event preceding that time You will understand why no one can try secession from the union coz they had a bigger goals in sight.

Awolowo was accused of treason by the same set of people you want him to support and he was not actually in a better position to rally around the Yorubas at that time coz the military already occupied the scene and a civilian just coming out from prison on the eve of the civil war had little he could do. Remeber Gowon released Awolowo and pardoned him then, also Awolowo met with Ojukwu to advise him to wait a little bit and explore all avenue before going to war but Ojukwu had to betray Awolowo with the late sage speech to justify the haste in advancing to the war to make it in such a way that Awo also supported it.

To show you the animosity of Azikwe towards Awolowo, when Balewa tried to include two members of the Action Group in his cabinet, Azikwe was angry that Balewa will even give the Yorubas two slot even with the fact that they (NCNC) has six members in the cabinet. Check the paper attached below to read more of the hatred.

Azikwe made sure the Igbos were placed in major federal ministries because of the alliance with the North and he remained subservient to the North so as to control the not too sound Balewa behind the scenes. How do you expect Awolowo to blink when the alliance of the Igbos and the Northerners collapsed?

Check the name of the members and see the dominace of the eastern guys in that cabinet.
Minister of Commerce and Industry: Dr. K.O Mgadiwe
Minister of Labor and Welfare - Chief Okotie-Eboh
Lagos Affair, Mines and Power - Muhammadu Ribadu
Transport - R.A Njoku
Education - Aja Nwachukwu
Research and Information - Chief Kola Balogun
Where is the federal character in all this??

Azikwe and Tafawa Balewa alliance later broke during the 1964 general parliamentary election and the true color of Azikwe was unveiled coz he had been hiding under the banner of a nationalist to dominate the rest. He was part of the first people to echo the seccession of the Eastern region as at 1965 and he was instrumental in the conspiracy of the barrack boys that would later end Balewa's life. Do you think Azikwe escaped the deathly strike of the military guys by luck? No its a well planned scheme.


I know this happened in the past and there is no need to bring this up to heat up the polity but I want the Igbos to stop thinking it was the Yorubas that allied with the northerners first, you need to stop seeing the Yorubas as your enemy because of the half-truth being propagated by people witout any knowledge of actual history

EeyanMayweather:

Shagari's deputy nah Yoruba man nah.
Mumu

you are a fo.ol not to know that ekwueme was a compensation to the Igbos because of the civil war. Are you daft or just slow from birth?

LegendHero:


Bro I’m not in Nigeria time zone and I was asleep.

You have to subscribe to New York Times to be able to view the news coz it’s in their archives.

https://www.nytimes.com/1959/10/18/archives/election-battle-warms-in-nigeria-three-parties-seek-control-of.html?searchResultPosition=2

Very grateful.
Thanks.
Sorry for the wrong assumptions.

DesChyko:


Very grateful.
Thanks.
Sorry for the wrong assumptions.

You welcome bro

selemempe:
no part of Enugu looks like that. Prove it

What of Umulokpa?

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LegendHero:
The Yorubas on this thread should not make this an issue of politics so as not to derail the main essence of this thread.

The reason I created this is to show us the development and success of the Western region. We would have been the envy of the world if we had maintained that regional government truncated by the Igbos and logically executed later by the North. We would have achieved more as an independent entity than being in this union called Nigeria.

I am with you bro, I have the same believe that the Yoruba nation needs to go out of this union. Nigeria will never work with our current arrangement, it is holding us back as people

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meccuno:
you are a fo.ol not to know that ekwueme was a compensation to the Igbos because of the civil war. Are you daft or just slow from birth?

Your parents are the slow one. That your IQ is in the single digits was never in contention. Going by your pseudologic, Yoruba hasn't ruled too since OBJ's rule was compensation for Abiola's death. You think everyone is foolish like Osus abi.
Slowpoke that should have been lost as a blighted ovum !!!!

Legendhero good one though

ogun ibadan ondo are getting themselves together in terms of development
I was at ibadan (cocoa house) precisely and everything was cool and neat from challenge to dugbe , secretariat, and also taxi everywhere....

Don’t forget Yorubas are the highest remitters of dollars almost $16bn alone

Timmypromise:
Legendhero good one though

ogun ibadan ondo are getting themselves together in terms of development
I was at ibadan (cocoa house) precisely and everything was cool and neat from challenge to dugbe , secretariat, and also taxi everywhere....

I left home some years back but my family in IB told me of the strides by Ajimobi then for infrastructures and security. I wish Makinde will keep up the pace..