Any spirit filled Christian could easily dismiss the fraud called book of enoch.

Some people base their belief on the validity of the book of enoch on the fact of what Jude said in judr 1vv14 forgetting that jude didnt say it was a book he quoted.
How do we know books that were inspired and those that are not?
Ignorant people who knows little or no history of the bible think the bible was just an accidental book with no divine influence.
A look at the history of the bible reveals that the bible has an internal consistency which justify itself as authentic.

The book of the old testament were kept and recognised by the Jewish nation, a race chosen by God as his oracle and keeper of his words, to know if a testimony is true there must be a witness to its truity, All the books of the prophets, kings and prominent men were well cannonised and recognized as inspired by God by the jewish nation and the book of enoch was never among.

CaveAdullam:
classic specimen of a human being @muttleylaff, you see this post by uncle buda, yes you have seen it, it is the exact way I have recently started to view things along side books.

I know you want me to tread on good grounds and thanks for that. What I'm really after concerning any spiritual book is the way it ACKNOWLEDGES THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.

DOES THE BOOK REGARDS THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS LORD AND SON OF GOD?

DOES THE BOOK RECOGNIZES THE FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST JESUS AND HIS PAROUSIA?

If the book tallies with what the Bible says concerning these facts I sheath my sword, take hold of my microscope to see if there be any trace of heresy so that I might come to a proper understanding.

The most important note I always take is how it package the personality of my Lord and God; Jesus Christ and If found wanting it automatically becomes false to me.

I gained some insights in that post of yours concerning tartarus, Sheol, hell, Hades Gehenna.

Thanks.

God bless.

budaatum:
Some think reading a book is for belief, and can't understand that some read books for understanding. I am just glad not all think that way and personally delight in you all's reading.

CaveAdullam, incidentally, I had already partly responded to this budaatum comment but left it fully responded to and so unfinished on my laptop back burner.

Some think reading a book is for belief and having knowledge, and can't understand that, some read books for belief, having knowledge and understanding.

I am just glad not all think that way and personally delight in you all's reading sic.

Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom, is knowing and understanding, not to put it tomato in a fruit bowl or fruit salad. Wisdom comes from wise thinking, good information, and then good judgement

Wisdom is seeing how the Book of Enoch, slanders the angelic hosts and falsefully accuse them of something impossible for them to carry out. The book insults the intelligence, satirically insults God, and even particularly ridicules events, just same way, we both know as the Quran does. The mind that is behind the Book of Enoch is devilish and perverted.

CaveAdullam, Peter and Jude paraphrased and quoted from the Book of Enoch, knowing that it is fiction and not one moment, believing in any of its ludicrous contents, the same way you and I would sometimes quote from the Quran, when making biblical theological points to a muslim

In the bible, angels are never called sons of God. I challenge you CaveAdullam and anyone else for that matter to search, you will look high and low, long and hard, but will never find any verse in the Bible where God says or calls any angelic being(s) a son(s) of God

gobuchinny:
I saw you say the book of enoch is accursed. Paul said any one that preaches another gospel should be accursed. That book preaches Christ .

MuttleyLaff:
"²²On the day of judgment many will call me their Lord. They will say, “We preached in your name, and in your name we forced out demons and worked many miracles.”
²³ But I will tell them, “I will have nothing to do with you! Get out of my sight, you evil people!”"
- Matthew 7:22-23

C'mon now gobuchinny, you can do better than this. Look at least at Matthew 7:22-23 above, there are similar verses like that more I can give, but that one should just do, lol. Even demons, are known, in the Bible, to preach Christ. Phtt

"²⁴What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God.
²⁵But Jesus rebuked the spirit. “Be silent!” He said. “Come out of him!”"
- Mark 1:24

CaveAdullam, the above are gobuchinny comment and my response to his no point that the Book of Enoch preaches Christ. His comment has some similarity to your tone that the Book of Enoch as far as you are concerned acknowledges the Lord Jesus Christ. Well CaveAdullam, I presented gobuchinny with Matthew 7:22-23 to show the pointlessness of holding such a viewpoint like that, but with you, I will palm you Mark 1:24-25 above.

As you can see CaveAdullam, recognising and/or acknowledging the Lord Jesus Christ, doesnt mean, one has good intentions, it doesnt mean one wouldnt be rightfully dealth with, as was done in Mark 1:25, to that foul spirit that recognised and even acknowledged our Lord Jesus Christ

CaveAdullam, the book of Enoch encourages belief in Jewish fables. God, in Titus 1:14 says, we are not to listen to Jewish fables.

The book of Enoch tallies with nothing that the Bible says, thats concerning facts. It is a catalogue of one lopsided contradiction after another
You need to unsheath your sword, take hold of the microscope, and this time look in through the right end up, in order to clearly and properly see , each trace and every detail of heresy in the uninspired by God accursed book, so to come to a good understanding.

CaveAdullam, don't be joining gang, please I beg you, dont be tossed to and fro by the waves and get carried about by every wind of doctrine. I didnt expect to hear a bullet fired in the air at me, and turn round to come see, you're the one behind the smoking gun. The sight hurt me.

CaveAdullam, I have done this earlier for nijabazaar but I will for your fyi and benefit redo it here below again. Now, CaveAdullam, brace yourself and let me show you a few proofs that the book of Enoch, is a first century bestseller fantansy/fiction pack book. Dont worry CaveAdullam, about needing to do any heavy liftings, as I'll do them for you without you ever so much need to lift you teeny weeny little finger, nor risk get your hands dirty.

1/ "... and the number was not entered in the book of the annals of King David (i.e. never written in King David's official records)" - 1 Chronicles 27:24
2/ "... written in the Book of the Acts of Solomon?" - 1 Kings 11:41
3/ "... are indeed written in the Book of Samuel the See ..." - 1 Chronicles 29:29
4/ "... are indeed written in the ... the Book of Nathan the Prophet ..." - 1 Chronicles 29:29 and/or 2 Chronicles 9:29
5/ "... are indeed written in the ... the Book of Gad the Seer," - 1 Chronicles 29:29
6/ "... indeed they are written in the book of Jehu the son of Hanani, which is mentioned in the book of the kings of Israel." - 2 Chronicles 20:34
7/ "Now the rest of the acts of Uzziah, first and last, were written by Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz." - 2 Chronicles 26:22
8/ "... they are written in the vision of Isaiah son of Amoz the prophet, on the book of the kings of Judah and Israel" - 2 Chronicles 32:32
9/ "... indeed they are written among the sayings of Hozai" - 2 Chronicles 33:19
10/ "... behold, it is written in the book of Jasher," - Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18
11/ "... are they not written in the book of Shemaiah the prophet, and of Iddo the seer concerning genealogies? " - 2 Chronicles 12:15
12/ "... it is stated in the Book of the Wars of the LORD:" - Numbers 21:14
13/ UNLIKE OTHER MENTIONS, THERE IS NO OUTRIGHT MENTION OF THE Book of Enoch IN THE BIBLE. GOD and the Bible does not see the Book of Enoch deemed worthy enough to be black and white mentioned in the scripture. The book is a pariah, not worthy to physically be seen written the Bible.
14/ "... as it is written in the book of the law of Moses," - Joshua 8:31
15/ "... behold, it is written in the book of Jasher," - 2 Samuel 1:18
16/ "... as it is written in the law of Moses" - 2 Chronicles 23:18
17/ "... as it is written in the law of the LORD." - 2 Chronicles 31:3
18/ "... as it is written in the book of Moses" - 2 Chronicles 35:12
19/ "... as it is written in the book of this covenant," - 2 Kings 23:21
20/ "... as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God..." - Ezra 3:2
21/ "... as it is written in the law" - Nehemiah 10:36

1/ ".. But He answered and said, It is written," - Matthew 4:4
2/ "... Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." - Matthew 4:7
3/ "... Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad." - Matthew 26:31
4/ ""For," said Peter, "it is written in the Book of Psalms: "'May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,' and, "'May another take his place of leadership." - Acts 1:20
5/ " Paul replied, “Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written: ‘Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people" - Acts 23:5
6/ "Rather, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart has imagined, what God has prepared for those who love Him.”" - 1 Corinthians 2:9
7/ "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" - John 10:34
8/ "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." - Romans 9:13
9/ "Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God." - Hebrews 10:7
10/ "Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy." - 1 Peter 1:16

CaveAdullam, I know the above two set of listings are self explanatory enough, but I'll nonetheless, explain. The first, one to twenty one above, is part of the remarkable proof, that whenever you're reading about texts or books of undisputed origin and not something like the nature of the Book of Enoch, you'll find the Bible or the prophets in the Old Testament making the connection with sayings, like "as it is written in the ..." or "... it is written ..." or "... for it is written" or " it is stated" or "indeed they are written", but fraudulent books like the book of Enoch is deprived of this high opinion, respect and honour and never given the courtesy of mentioning of the word Book of Enoch anywhere in the scripture. There is no official approval or recognition of the Book of Enoch and so unlike others as can be seen in the above listings, it gets no mention whatsover anywhere in the Old Testament

CaveAdullam, equally in New Testament (i.e. the other 1-10 listing) with the Johannine, Pauline or Petrine letters and even Jesus Christ too, you'll find in their letters and/or when discussing texts or books of undisputed origin and not something like the nature of the Book of Enoch, again you'll see the use the familiar phrase or similar "as it is written in the ..." or "... it is written ..." or "... for it is written" or " it is stated" or "indeed they are written".

CaveAdullam, I submit to you that Jude nor Peter NEVER used "as it is written in the ..." or "... it is written ..." or "... for it is written" or " it is stated" or "indeed they are written" when paraphrasing the Book of Enoch because it is a popular well known best selling fantansy/fiction book that was well circulated up to and around the first century.

As I have earlier highlighted and advanced CaveAdullam, the Bible doesn't generally quote books of questionable and/or profane sources, like the Book of Enoch is, this is why the Bible too, never has "as it is written" or "... it is written" as a form of certification and accreditation of the book of Enoch anywhere in the entirety of the Bible. The book of Enoch was never treated as being inspired by God and this solely why so it wasnt ever authoritatively used or referenced, but it was just merely paraphrased and passingly referenced without at all making mention of the words, the Book of Enoch.

CaveAdullam, on towards closing this post, fyi, the Enoch featured in the Book of Enoch, is not the same Enoch mentioned in Genesis, Luke and Hebrews. How can we know this I hear you, ask under your breath, well, it is because no mention of Enoch in the entirety of the "The Book of Enoch" was made about Enoch in the book, in reference to him being a man of faith (i.e. the book doesnt like as done with Hebrews 11:5 confirm this) nor is there any reference to Enoch's genealogy (i.e. no genelogy like as done in Luke 3:37), instead the book, obviously a work of fiction, made a complete glaring birth position order mistake when compared and contrasted with the two real Enoch of the Bible, birth order positions, in their genealogies.

CaveAdullam smh, may I have your attention, please? May I have your attention, please? Will the real Slim Shady Enoch please stand up?
I repeat, will the real Slim Shady Enoch please stand up? We're gonna have a problem here. Y'all act like you never know ... Lol, smh.

CaveAdullam I felt inclined to intimate you with the "as it is written" above persuasion and to explain that Peter and Jude, only used the book of Enoch as source material. They were not in any shape or form endorsing the Book of Enoch as scripture that is God-breathed.

Lastly on closing, fyi, every other book mentioned in the above listings are lost. The Book of Jasher you currectly see about and possibly might have read is a hoax. It is not the real missing book of Jasher. Did you hear the voice of reason, Ihedinobi3, what he said about this matter hmm? He said has it been considered that these books may only be forgeries that were given the names of the true originals named in the Bible? Well, CaveAdullam, I have done my bit, I've shown how to do the litmus test to find out, if or not any book, appearing genuine or stating to be true, though not necessarily so, is really an inspired word and work of God. Did I hand you back your knife? Lol.

The Book of Enoch is packed full of heresy. I’ve only included a few examples but theres more in there. I think though, that this is more than any reasonable believer should need in order to see that this book is occultic and it is blasphemous. For example:

We read in chapter 40 of the Book of Enoch…

1 And after that I saw thousands of thousands and ten thousand times ten thousand, I saw a multitude

2 beyond number and reckoning, who stood before the Lord of Spirits. And on the four sides of the Lord of Spirits I saw four presences, different from those that sleep not, and I learnt their names: for the angel that went with me made known to me their names, and showed me all the hidden things.

3 And I heard the voices of those four presences as they uttered praises before the Lord of glory.

4 The first voice blesses the Lord of Spirits for ever and ever.

5 And the second voice I heard blessing

6 the Elect One and the elect ones who hang upon the Lord of Spirits. And the third voice I heard pray and intercede for those who dwell on the earth and supplicate in the name of the Lord of Spirits.

7 And I heard the fourth voice fending off the Satans and forbidding them to come before the Lord

8 of Spirits to accuse them who dwell on the earth. After that I asked the angel of peace who went with me, who showed me everything that is hidden: ‘Who are these four presences which I have

9 seen and whose words I have heard and written down?’ And he said to me: ‘This first is Michael, the merciful and long-suffering: and the second, who is set over all the diseases and all the wounds of the children of men, is Raphael: and the third, who is set over all the powers, is Gabriel: and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.’

10 And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days.

The Bible never mentions an angel named Phanuel, let alone an angel who is set over the repentance of those who inherit eternal life. What blasphemy! That statement in itself contradicts everything the Word of God teaches.

We read in 1st Timothy 2:5 that Jesus Christ is the ONLY Mediator between God and men, not some angel named Phanuel… “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” Repentance is strictly between a man and Jesus Christ alone. Only Jesus died for our sins, and shed His blood to pay for them (1st Peter 1:18-19); therefore, we must be diligent to guard and defend against LIARS and imposters who would lead people to believe otherwise.

1st John 2:22 clearly indicts all Christ-deniers as LIARS, guilty before God. There is nothing,or no one that can take Jesus’ rightful place as Redeemer and Savior.That is for Christ and Christ alone!

John 14:6-Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. He is our High Priest forever! Hebrews 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an High Priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

The Holy Spirit itself is named as the Spirit of Christ-Romans 8:9-But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Our salvation rests in Jesus Christ,the Risen Savior of mankind and the only begotten Son of God and not some demon named Phanuel!

And what did Paul say about that?-

Galatians 1:6-9,I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

This singular passage alone is enough to solidify this book as doctrines of demons, heretical teachings and blasphemy against our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! Any reasonable Christian would see that they have no need at all for any book that would do such a thing. Gnostic literature always,always undermines the diety of Christ!

Here’s chapter 48:1-3…

1 And in that place I saw the fountain of righteousness Which was inexhaustible: And around it were many fountains of wisdom: And all the thirsty drank of them, And were filled with wisdom, And their dwellings were with the righteous and holy and elect. 2 And at that hour that Son of Man was named In the presence of the Lord of Spirits, And his name before the Head of Days. 3 Yea, before the sun and the signs were created, Before the stars of the heaven were made, His name was named before the Lord of Spirits.

Was the Son of Man named? When was Jesus named in Heaven? This is an attack on the deity of Jesus. Jesus Himself claimed in Revelation 1:8, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.” Jesus is Eternal, without beginning or end. Head of Days? Lord of Spirits? These terms are NOT found in the Bible.

IF the Book of Enoch were valid, composing well over 100 chapters, there should be numerous New Testament references to it; but there aren’t. Although some people claim that the Bible quotes the Book of Enoch over 100 times, this is simply not true. Just as the Qur’an, the Book of Enoch borrows from the Word of God. In sharp contrast to the Book of Enoch, the New Testament often quotes the Book of Genesis.

I would also point out that this passage could have only been written after the coming of Christ, and the writing of the New Testament where this was obviously taken from.The Old Testament consistently uses son of man in reference to man,often as God speaking to a man. The Bible does not use son of man as a title for Christ,until Jesus Himself declares Himself such in the New Testament.

We read in the Book of Enoch, chapter 69:8-12…

8 …And the fourth was named Penemue: he taught the

9 children of men the bitter and the sweet, and he taught them all the secrets of their wisdom. And he instructed mankind in writing with ink and paper, and thereby many sinned from eternity to

10 eternity and until this day. For men were not created for such a purpose, to give confirmation

11 to their good faith with pen and ink. For men were created exactly like the angels, to the intent that they should continue pure and righteous, and death, which destroys everything, could not have taken hold of them, but through this their knowledge they are perishing, and through this power

12 it is consuming me
What … man’s wisdom came from a demon named Penemue? That’s crazy! Did ink and paper cause the fall of the human race? Whoa … ! It was Adam’s sin that brought sin into the world (Romans 5:12); not evil literature. Mankind is inherently evil of himself, prone to the works of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21). The lost sin because they are sinners,born with a fallen nature,inherited directly from Adam!

Although demons definitely influence mankind to do evil, man was already fallen long before he began to pursue idolatry and witchcraft. Christ came and died not to save us from witchcraft, but from all sin. Also, notice in 69:6, that the Book of Enoch claims that a demon named Gadreel led Eve astray and introduced weaponry to mankind. How absurd. The Bible identifies the serpent which deceived Eve in the Garden of Eden as Satan (Ezekiel 28:13).

As a person progresses deeper into the Book of Enoch, they will eventually find the Books of Adam and Eve fascinating as well, and then they will be into New Age occultism without even realizing it. Don’t be fooled, the Book of Enoch is occult material,written by gnostics that will lead you into the senseless mysticism of pagan religion. Keep in mind the philosophies of the Gnostics laid the groundwork for what today is termed Luciferianism.

The book of Enoch consistently glorifies angels in the rightful place of Jesus, at best this is promoting angel worship which is nothing more than trafficking in demons..sorcery, which is why it is so highly utilized in the occult,with a whole realm of sorcery dedicated to it known as Enochian Magic. This should be more than enough right here to satisfy any questions on whether or not the book of Enoch is the inspired word of God, there are though numerous other contradictions and outright false teachings contained in this book.

OkCornel:


Nice... so the standard of the Evangelical Protestants suddenly becomes the standard for the books that were inspired by the Spirit of God?;

The first version of King James Bible (1611 version) had more than 66 books, the extra books were not inspired?

What of the Ethiopian Bible which is one of the oldest bibles around with over 80 books, are the extra books in there not also inspired?

1 As for the authenticity of the book of Enoch for example, it was found as part of the books in the dead sea scrolls alongside other ancient manuscripts that formed some of the books of the new testament we have today. Any objections to that?

2 The books of Peter and Jude made reference to the writings of Enoch, any objections to that?

I wonder if mutteylaff has read 1 cor 11 vs 10 . Y would Paul tell women to cover their hairs because of Angels . Oya Mutteylaff over to you oo.

gobuchinny:


I wonder if mutteylaff has read 1 cor 11 vs 10 . Y would Paul tell women to cover their hairs because of Angels . Oya Mutteylaff over to you oo.

Another ignoramus on this thread is calling the book of Enoch a fraud.

Ask them how many books were inspired by God, and why the first version of KJV bible had over 66 books...they suddenly go mute...or offer nothing more than emotional outbursts...


According to them, an eternal God that has been speaking even before men invented ink and paper ...can now have the entirety of His words limited to 66 books...

Chai, this is so comical

THE BOOK OF JUDE

1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Enoch 10 v 4-6 & 11-12;
4. And again, the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness and split open the desert, which is in Dudael and cast him in.
5. And fill the hole by covering him with rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him live there forever, and cover his face that he may not see the light.
6. And on the day of the great judgment, he shall be hurled into the fire.
11. And the Lord said to Michael: 'Go bind Semjaza and his team who have associated with women and have defiled themselves in all their uncleanness.
12. When their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations under the hills of the earth, until the day of the consummation of their judgment and until the eternal judgment is accomplished.'


Enoch Chapter 1 v 9;

And behold! He comes with ten thousand of His holy ones (saints) in order to execute judgment on all, to destroy all the ungodly (wicked ones), and to convict all flesh of their works of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.



FOR ONE OF THE IGNORAMUSES ON THIS THREAD CLAIMING NONE OF THE BOOKS IN THE BIBLE MADE REFERENCE TO THE WRITINGS OF ENOCH, ABEG HELP ME LOOK AGAIN, SHEBI JUDE NO BE BOOK FOR BIBLE AGAIN?

PLEASE CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN WHY THE BOOK OF ENOCH WAS FOUND ALONGSIDE OTHER NEW TESTAMENT BOOKS IN THE ANCIENT DEAD SEA SCROLLS? Hmmm?

solite3:
Any spirit filled Christian could easily dismiss the fraud called book of enoch.

Some people base their belief on the validity of the book of enoch on the fact of what Jude said in judr 1vv14 forgetting that jude didnt say it was a book he quoted.
How do we know books that were inspired and those that are not?
Ignorant people who knows little or no history of the bible think the bible was just an accidental book with no divine influence.
A look at the history of the bible reveals that the bible has an internal consistency which justify itself as authentic.

The book of the old testament were kept and recognised by the Jewish nation, a race chosen by God as his oracle and keeper of his words, to know if a testimony is true there must be a witness to its truity, All the books of the prophets, kings and prominent men were well cannonised and recognized as inspired by God by the jewish nation and the book of enoch was never among.

Additionally, if Enoch wrote any book at all, it is unlikely that it survived the Flood.

Even further, all the books of the Bible were written by Jews, God's Chosen People. This makes sense, since God created that nation specifically to separate them out for His Truth. That is equivalent to separating land from sea in His seven-day re-creation of the Earth, in order to let life flourish. The same is what happened with Israel: by separating out a nation for Himself, He created a means for His Truth to flourish in the world.

The first Hebrew was Abraham, not Enoch. So, it makes sense that no inspired writings existed before Abraham. In fact, none existed before Israel was called out of Egypt. Similarly no inspired writing has come into existence since the Church was called out from among the Gentiles.

CaveAdullam, Peter and Jude paraphrased and quoted from the Book of Enoch, knowing that it is fiction and not one moment, believing in any of its ludicrous contents, the same way you and I would sometimes quote from the Quran, when making biblical theological points to a muslim

Hahahaha, another wild claim from Muttley. Muttley was a live witness when Peter and Jude were writing their letters to conclude the writings of Enoch was fiction

Chai, who do Muttley this kain thing?

MuttleyLaff:

Please can u explain 1 cor 11 vs 10. Y would Paul be so concerned about the physical appearance of man and the effects with the Angels. I'm curious to know you wild thoughts

OkCornel:
PLEASE CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN WHY THE BOOK OF ENOCH WAS FOUND ALONGSIDE OTHER NEW TESTAMENT BOOKS IN THE ANCIENT DEAD SEA SCROLLS? Hmmm?

I've been saying it that mutty no sabi history . The guy just like dey speak plenty English. Intelligent guy though but his not intelligent in spirituality. Dey use carnal eyes dey look the things of God.

The one that got me is that the sons of God r d descendants of Seth .

Funny guy

gobuchinny:


I've been saying it that mutty no sabi history . The guy just like dey speak plenty English. Intelligent guy though but his not intelligent in spirituality. Dey use carnal eyes dey look the things of God.

The one that got me is that the sons of God r d descendants of Seth .

Funny guy

As in eh, I just dey look the guy dey laugh. Plenty plenty english upandan.

Sons of God are descendants of Seth indeed...

OkCornel:



Hahahaha, another wild claim from Muttley. Muttley was a live witness when Peter and Jude were writing their letters to conclude the writings of Enoch was fiction

Chai, who do Muttley this kain thing?

Iz alarming how with clear cut proofs, people still come up with wild explanations to justify their beliefs. Just negodu explanation on y Peter and Jude quoted Enoch. Like Peter them consulted Mutty before they wrote the books .

I love it when we discuss with facts and referrals.The fact that two other NT books quoted the book of Enoch VERBATIM . Is enough proof of its authenticity.

gobuchinny:
I wonder if mutteylaff has read 1 cor 11 vs 10 . Y would Paul tell women to cover their hairs because of Angels . Oya Mutteylaff over to you oo.

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MuttleyLaff is now on trial now
The abridged interpretation of 1 Corinthians 11:10, is behaviour that is in keeping with good taste and propriety. Kept it short and sweet, huh?. Bet you liked that gobuchinny, lol

Enoch Chapter 62 v 1-2;
1. Thus the Lord commanded the kings and the mighty and the exalted, and those who dwell on the earth, and said 'Open your eyes and lift up your horns if you are able to recognize the Elect One.'
2. And the Lord of spirits seated Him on the throne of glory, and the spirit of righteousness was poured out on Him, and the words of His mouth slays all the sinners, and all the unrighteous are destroyed from His face.



Revelation Chapter 19 v 15-16;
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

gobuchinny:
I've been saying it that mutty no sabi history . The guy just like dey speak plenty English. Intelligent guy though but his not intelligent in spirituality. Dey use carnal eyes dey look the things of God.

The one that got me is that the sons of God r d descendants of Seth .

Funny guy

gobuchinny why dont you stand up to me with this matter of who are the sons of God and let me have the opportunity of taking you to the cleaners, erhn?

Remember the full comment was:
"As a matter of fact CaveAdullam, the sons of God, spoken of in Job 1:6, Job 2:1 and Job 38:7, plus even Genesis 6:2 and 6:4, lol, are male descendants from the lineage of Seth, originated from Adam, the first acknowledged and kofam, son of God, lol."

Please dont forget that and dont get my comment twisted with your half-truths of what my comment was

gobuchinny:
Please can u explain 1 cor 11 vs 10. Y would Paul be so concerned about the physical appearance of man and the effects with the Angels. I'm curious to know you wild thoughts

gobuchinny, I've already answered you above, so there is no need to repeat the same question again here. Also, it wasnt anything about the physical appearance of man and any ulterior effects with angels, as you seem to suggest

gobuchinny:
Iz alarming how with clear cut proofs, people still come up with wild explanations to justify their beliefs. Just negodu explanation on y Peter and Jude quoted Enoch. Like Peter them consulted Mutty before they wrote the books .

I love it when we discuss with facts and referrals.The fact that two other NT books quoted the book of Enoch VERBATIM . Is enough proof of its authenticity.

Jude nor Peter never verbatim quote the Book of Enoch. You are telling porkies and you know it.

No where in the Bible is the Book of Enoch ever written or spelled out in black an white. It is that much a pariah, it is nowhere, unlike other inspired books, in plain sight ever mentioned in the entirety of the Bible

Enoch Chapter 71 v 3-5;

3. And the angel Michael, one of the arch-angels, seized me by the right hand, and lifted me up and led me out into all the secrets, and he showed me all the secrets of righteousness

4 And he showed me all the secrets of the ends of heaven, and all the storehouses of the stars, and all the lights, from where they proceed from the face of the holy ones.

5 And he translated my spirit into heaven of heavens, and I saw there as it was built of crystals, and between those crystals, tongues of living fire.

Revelation 21 v 10-11;
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;



Please note that one book was written before the other ooo...

Hahaha, Muttley is still telling us neither Jude or Peter quoted from the book of Enoch verbatim.

Please can someone explain how this happened?

Enoch Chapter 1 v 9;

And behold! He comes with ten thousand of His holy ones (saints) in order to execute judgment on all, to destroy all the ungodly (wicked ones), and to convict all flesh of their works of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

Jude 1 v 14 - 15;

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.


Can someone also tell us which book was written before which...between Enoch and Jude?

cc: gobuchinny

OkCornel:


Nice... so the standard of the Evangelical Protestants suddenly becomes the standard for the books that were inspired by the Spirit of God?;

The first version of King James Bible (1611 version) had more than 66 books, the extra books were not inspired?

What of the Ethiopian Bible which is one of the oldest bibles around with over 80 books, are the extra books in there not also inspired?

1 As for the authenticity of the book of Enoch for example, it was found as part of the books in the dead sea scrolls alongside other ancient manuscripts that formed some of the books of the new testament we have today. Any objections to that?

2 The books of Peter and Jude made reference to the writings of Enoch, any objections to that?

I'm not sure if this is your answer to my questions.

Essentially, the first question is whether it is impossible that these books you make so much of are forgeries that people made and tried to sell on the basis of the lie that they are the books referenced in the Bible.

The second is whether reference in the Bible to a book or a quote in the Bible from some source means that the book or source is inspired. If you think it is, should we consider the pagan poets that Paul quoted in the Bible as inspired? Should we now go looking for their works to read too?

MuttleyLaff:

Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom, is knowing and understanding, not to put it tomato in a fruit bowl or fruit salad. Wisdom comes from wise thinking, good information, and then good judgement.

The above is the sort of ignorance some think is Godly. He basically is claiming his own knowledge about tomatoes, "putting tomato in a fruit bowl or fruit salad", is all the knowledge and understanding and wisdom knowable about tomatoes, the equivalent of claiming "thou shalt not" is the Wisdom of God. And he spews his ignorance in his yadayada word diarrhea while refusing to consider anything else that anyone else has to say about tomatoes.

I am assured that anyone inclined to do to the tomato what some smart people have done here on the Book of Enoch would more than put a tomato in a "fruit bowl or fruit salad". Even a simple understanding about tomatoes might lead to tomato puree and putting tomatoes in a tin can, both of which prolong the tomatoes very short life, and that's before talking of the various other useful things tomatoes can do and be used for.

One should wonder how we Nigerians hardly go two days in a row without eating some tomatoes. Then consider the Wisdom of God and all other things added on to its getting including the prolongation of life on earth and even life eternal. The smarter amongst you make me believe that you shall surely fulfil the sentiment expressed here.

MuttleyLaff:
gobuchinny why dont you stand up to me with this matter of who are the sons of God and let me have the opportunity of taking you to the cleaners, erhn?

Remember the full comment was:
"[i]As a matter of fact CaveAdullam, the sons of God, spoken of in Job 1:6, Job 2:1 and Job 38:7, plus even Genesis 6:2 and 6:4, lol, are male descendants from the lineage of Seth, originated from Adam, the first acknowledged and kofam, son

Please dont forget that and dont get my comment twisted with your half-truths of what my comment was

gobuchinny, I've already answered you above, so there is no need to repeat the same question again here. Also, it wasnt anything about the physical appearance of man and any ulterior effects with angels, as you seem to suggest

Jude nor Peter never verbatim quote the Book of Enoch. You are telling porkies and you know it.

No where in the Bible is the Book of Enoch ever written or spelled out in black an white. It is that much a pariah, it is nowhere, unlike other inspired books, in plain sight ever mentioned in the entirety of the Bible

Im concerned for you bro. You really need to read wide. Ypu guys just make comments without indepth study. Dont be lazy and study mehn.

Even Paul understood the sins of the Angel's. Hence that scripture that you cannot explain. This was common knowledge in the early church. Like it was during the time of Noah. Even the dark side knows it's TRUE. Hollywood knows this but muttey doesnt .

Do you know that the early Israelites believed in those Angel's that birthed giants whose souls are demons? Early apostolic father believed this also. I'm telling you facts that if you were an ardent reader, you would know this things. Its history and history cannot lie.

It's like an atheist in this day and age denying the existence of the man Jesus . That is foolishness because even Jewisth historians and records prove that Jesus lived and walked the earth. If his saying he doesnt beleive Yeshua is Christ then we know where his problem lies but not that He doesnt exist .infact there r records of his burial and that he wasn't buried like a criminal but as infact a noble. Did you know all this dear muttey.

So we dont really have an argument here unless we r dealing with facts not what you think of a book but what the beliefs handed down through the custodians of religion and the Only God (Israeleites)

MuttleyLaff:


CaveAdullam, incidentally, I had already partly responded to this budaatum comment but left it fully responded to and so unfinished on my laptop back burner.

Some think reading a book is for belief and having knowledge, and can't understand that, some read books for belief, having knowledge and understanding.

I am just glad not all think that way and personally delight in you all's reading sic.

Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom, is knowing and understanding, not to put it tomato in a fruit bowl or fruit salad. Wisdom comes from wise thinking, good information, and then good judgement

Wisdom is seeing how the Book of Enoch, slanders the angelic hosts and falsefully accuse them of something impossible for them to carry out. The book insults the intelligence, satirically insults God, and even particularly ridicules events, just same way, we both know as the Quran does. The mind that is behind the Book of Enoch is devilish and perverted.

CaveAdullam, Peter and Jude paraphrased and quoted from the Book of Enoch, knowing that it is fiction and not one moment, believing in any of its ludicrous contents, the same way you and I would sometimes quote from the Quran, when making biblical theological points to a muslim

In the bible, angels are never called sons of God. I challenge you CaveAdullam and anyone else for that matter to search, you will look high and low, long and hard, but will never find any verse in the Bible where God says or calls any angelic being(s) a son(s) of God



"²⁴What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God.
²⁵But Jesus rebuked the spirit. “Be silent!” He said. “Come out of him!”"
- Mark 1:24

CaveAdullam, the above are gobuchinny comment and my response to his no point that the Book of Enoch preaches Christ. His comment has some similarity to your tone that the Book of Enoch as far as you are concerned acknowledges the Lord Jesus Christ. Well CaveAdullam, I presented gobuchinny with Matthew 7:22-23 to show the pointlessness of holding such a viewpoint like that, but with you, I will palm you Mark 1:24-25 above.

As you can see CaveAdullam, recognising and/or acknowledging the Lord Jesus Christ, doesnt mean, one has good intentions, it doesnt mean one wouldnt be rightfully dealth with, as was done in Mark 1:25, to that foul spirit that recognised and even acknowledged our Lord Jesus Christ

CaveAdullam, the book of Enoch encourages belief in Jewish fables. God, in Titus 1:14 says, we are not to listen to Jewish fables.

The book of Enoch tallies with nothing that the Bible says, thats concerning facts. It is a catalogue of one lopsided contradiction after another
You need to unsheath your sword, take hold of the microscope, and this time look in through the right end up, in order to clearly and properly see , each trace and every detail of heresy in the uninspired by God accursed book, so to come to a good understanding.

CaveAdullam, don't be joining gang, please I beg you, dont be tossed to and fro by the waves and get carried about by every wind of doctrine. I didnt expect to hear a bullet fired in the air at me, and turn round to come see, you're the one behind the smoking gun. The sight hurt me.

CaveAdullam, I have done this earlier for nijabazaar but I will for your fyi and benefit redo it here below again. Now, CaveAdullam, brace yourself and let me show you a few proofs that the book of Enoch, is a first century bestseller fantansy/fiction pack book. Dont worry CaveAdullam, about needing to do any heavy liftings, as I'll do them for you without you ever so much need to lift you teeny weeny little finger, nor risk get your hands dirty.

1/ "... and the number was not entered in the book of the annals of King David (i.e. never written in King David's official records)" - 1 Chronicles 27:24
2/ "... written in the Book of the Acts of Solomon?" - 1 Kings 11:41
3/ "... are indeed written in the Book of Samuel the See ..." - 1 Chronicles 29:29
4/ "... are indeed written in the ... the Book of Nathan the Prophet ..." - 1 Chronicles 29:29 and/or 2 Chronicles 9:29
5/ "... are indeed written in the ... the Book of Gad the Seer," - 1 Chronicles 29:29
6/ "... indeed they are written in the book of Jehu the son of Hanani, which is mentioned in the book of the kings of Israel." - 2 Chronicles 20:34
7/ "Now the rest of the acts of Uzziah, first and last, were written by Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz." - 2 Chronicles 26:22
8/ "... they are written in the vision of Isaiah son of Amoz the prophet, on the book of the kings of Judah and Israel" - 2 Chronicles 32:32
9/ "... indeed they are written among the sayings of Hozai" - 2 Chronicles 33:19
10/ "... behold, it is written in the book of Jasher," - Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18
11/ "... are they not written in the book of Shemaiah the prophet, and of Iddo the seer concerning genealogies? " - 2 Chronicles 12:15
12/ "... it is stated in the Book of the Wars of the LORD:" - Numbers 21:14
13/ UNLIKE OTHER MENTIONS, THERE IS NO OUTRIGHT MENTION OF THE Book of Enoch IN THE BIBLE. GOD and the Bible does not see the Book of Enoch deemed worthy enough to be black and white mentioned in the scripture. The book is a pariah, not worthy to physically be seen written the Bible.
14/ "... as it is written in the book of the law of Moses," - Joshua 8:31
15/ "... behold, it is written in the book of Jasher," - 2 Samuel 1:18
16/ "... as it is written in the law of Moses" - 2 Chronicles 23:18
17/ "... as it is written in the law of the LORD." - 2 Chronicles 31:3
18/ "... as it is written in the book of Moses" - 2 Chronicles 35:12
19/ "... as it is written in the book of this covenant," - 2 Kings 23:21
20/ "... as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God..." - Ezra 3:2
21/ "... as it is written in the law" - Nehemiah 10:36

1/ ".. But He answered and said, It is written," - Matthew 4:4
2/ "... Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." - Matthew 4:7
3/ "... Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad." - Matthew 26:31
4/ ""For," said Peter, "it is written in the Book of Psalms: "'May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,' and, "'May another take his place of leadership." - Acts 1:20
5/ " Paul replied, “Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written: ‘Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people" - Acts 23:5
6/ "Rather, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart has imagined, what God has prepared for those who love Him.”" - 1 Corinthians 2:9
7/ "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" - John 10:34
8/ "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." - Romans 9:13
9/ "Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God." - Hebrews 10:7
10/ "Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy." - 1 Peter 1:16

CaveAdullam, I know the above two set of listings are self explanatory enough, but I'll nonetheless, explain. The first, one to twenty one above, is part of the remarkable proof, that whenever you're reading about texts or books of undisputed origin and not something like the nature of the Book of Enoch, you'll find the Bible or the prophets in the Old Testament making the connection with sayings, like "as it is written in the ..." or "... it is written ..." or "... for it is written" or " it is stated" or "indeed they are written", but fraudulent books like the book of Enoch is deprived of this high opinion, respect and honour and never given the courtesy of mentioning of the word Book of Enoch anywhere in the scripture. There is no official approval or recognition of the Book of Enoch and so unlike others as can be seen in the above listings, it gets no mention whatsover anywhere in the Old Testament

CaveAdullam, equally in New Testament (i.e. the other 1-10 listing) with the Johannine, Pauline or Petrine letters and even Jesus Christ too, you'll find in their letters and/or when discussing texts or books of undisputed origin and not something like the nature of the Book of Enoch, again you'll see the use the familiar phrase or similar "as it is written in the ..." or "... it is written ..." or "... for it is written" or " it is stated" or "indeed they are written".

CaveAdullam, I submit to you that Jude nor Peter NEVER used "as it is written in the ..." or "... it is written ..." or "... for it is written" or " it is stated" or "indeed they are written" when paraphrasing the Book of Enoch because it is a popular well known best selling fantansy/fiction book that was well circulated up to and around the first century.

As I have earlier highlighted and advanced CaveAdullam, the Bible doesn't generally quote books of questionable and/or profane sources, like the Book of Enoch is, this is why the Bible too, never has "as it is written" or "... it is written" as a form of certification and accreditation of the book of Enoch anywhere in the entirety of the Bible. The book of Enoch was never treated as being inspired by God and this solely why so it wasnt ever authoritatively used or referenced, but it was just merely paraphrased and passingly referenced without at all making mention of the words, the Book of Enoch.

CaveAdullam, on towards closing this post, fyi, the Enoch featured in the Book of Enoch, is not the same Enoch mentioned in Genesis, Luke and Hebrews. How can we know this I hear you, ask under your breath, well, it is because no mention of Enoch in the entirety of the "The Book of Enoch" was made about Enoch in the book, in reference to him being a man of faith (i.e. the book doesnt like as done with Hebrews 11:5 confirm this) nor is there any reference to Enoch's genealogy (i.e. no genelogy like as done in Luke 3:37), instead the book, obviously a work of fiction, made a complete glaring birth position order mistake when compared and contrasted with the two real Enoch of the Bible, birth order positions, in their genealogies.

CaveAdullam smh, may I have your attention, please? May I have your attention, please? Will the real Slim Shady Enoch please stand up?
I repeat, will the real Slim Shady Enoch please stand up? We're gonna have a problem here. Y'all act like you never know ... Lol, smh.

CaveAdullam I felt inclined to intimate you with the "as it is written" above persuasion and to explain that Peter and Jude, only used the book of Enoch as source material. They were not in any shape or form endorsing the Book of Enoch as scripture that is God-breathed.

Lastly on closing, fyi, every other book mentioned in the above listings are lost. The Book of Jasher you currectly see about and possibly might have read is a hoax. It is not the real missing book of Jasher. Did you hear the voice of reason, Ihedinobi3, what he said about this matter hmm? He said has it been considered that these books may only be forgeries that were given the names of the true originals named in the Bible? Well, CaveAdullam, I have done my bit, I've shown how to do the litmus test to find out, if or not any book, appearing genuine or stating to be true, though not necessarily so, is really an inspired word and work of God. Did I hand you back your knife? Lol.

For what it is worth, I am not on your side, MuttleyLaff. I can't stop you from quoting me, referencing me, or invoking my name. But, even where it seems as if we are in agreement, we are not on the same side.

What is more, your answers here are only more proof of your gross disrespect for the Word of God. I could not be more opposed to you, since I rejoice in the Word of God and love it with all my heart. I bow to it, and choose to live for and by it. Also, I am committed to helping anyone who will accept my help to understand it. None of these things is true about you. So, it is gross dishonesty to attempt to lump me together with you.

Ihedinobi3:

I'm not sure if this is your answer to my questions.

Essentially, the first question is whether it is impossible that these books you make so much of are forgeries that people made and tried to sell on the basis of the lie that they are the books referenced in the Bible.

The second is whether reference in the Bible to a book or a quote in the Bible from some source means that the book or source is inspired. If you think it is, should we consider the pagan poets that Paul quoted in the Bible as inspired? Should we now go looking for their works to read too?

Oh, so the part of those books the Bible made reference to are suddenly inspired because the Bible made reference to them? An inspired book making reference to "uninspired books" should get one thinking...

So it's possible to have partially inspired books hmmm?

You've not answered the bit on the first version of the King James Bible (1611), are the extra books in there not inspired as well?
The extra books in the ancient Ethiopian Bible are also not inspired?


It's amazing how the decisions of the Protestant church now serves as the basis for what is inspired of God and what is not.

I guess the position of the Orthodox churches, Coptic churches and Catholic churches that existed before the Protestant church be suddenly thrown into the dustbin...

Abeg, take out time to listen to this;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLit979B60Y

Ihedinobi3:

Additionally, if Enoch wrote any book at all, it is unlikely that it survived the Flood.

Even further, all the books of the Bible were written by Jews, God's Chosen People. This makes sense, since God created that nation specifically to separate them out for His Truth. That is equivalent to separating land from sea in His seven-day re-creation of the Earth, in order to let life flourish. The same is what happened with Israel: by separating out a nation for Himself, He created a means for His Truth to flourish in the world.

The first Hebrew was Abraham, not Enoch. So, it makes sense that no inspired writings existed before Abraham. In fact, none existed before Israel was called out of Egypt. Similarly no inspired writing has come into existence since the Church was called out from among the Gentiles.

thank God for this insight, you know it is eaiser to see the tricks and the lies of the devil if one allows the truth of God speak for itself. All the books of the old testament were centered around God's dealing with his chosen people the Israelites, their future, christ birth life, death and resurrection and some hints and prophecy concerning the church. The book of enoch is deception that leads to angelic devotion and worship nothing divine about that book just completely occultic and demonic.

@gobuchinny, Muttley is still insisting the sons of God spoken of in Job are male descendants of Seth;

Perhaps that also means Job lived in the era before the flood

Abeg help me ask Muttley if the Sabeans and Chaldeans lived before the era of the flood

As a matter of fact CaveAdulla.m, the sons of God, spoken of in Job 1:6, Job 2:1 and Job 38:7, plus even Genesis 6:2 and 6:4, lol, are male descendants from the lineage of Seth, originated from Adam, the first acknowledged and kofam, son of God, lol.

Job 1 v 15-17;
15 And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
16 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
17 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The Chaldeans made out three bands, and fell upon the camels, and have carried them away, yea, and slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

OkCornel:


Oh, so the part of those books the Bible made reference to are suddenly inspired because the Bible made reference to them?

So it's possible to have partially inspired books hmmm?

You've not answered the bit on the first version of the King James Bible (1611), are the extra books in there not inspired as well?
The extra books in the ancient Ethiopian Bible are also not inspired?

I'm not sure how you read. If I am asking you whether the Bible's quoting a source makes that source inspired, I clearly am asking you if you think that sources are inspired because a biblical author quoted them. Why are you making it seem like that was what I suggested myself? Is that not your argument for the inspiration of the Book of Enoch? That it was quoted by Jude?

I have no idea where you got the idea that there is any partially inspired book. Is it something you think I said?

I have told you what makes a book inspired. And I have told you which books are inspired.

solite3:
thank God for this insight, you know it is eaiser to see the tricks and the lies of the devil if one allows the truth of God speak for itself. All the books of the old testament were centered around God's dealing with his chosen people the Israelites, their future, christ birth life, death and resurrection and some hints and prophecy concerning the church. The book of enoch is deception that leads to angelic devotion and worship nothing divine about that book just completely occultic and demonic.

You're exactly right about angelic devotion. Incidentally, this sort of thing has been calling a portion of Colossians to mind for me:

[18]Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,
[19]and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.
Colossians 2:18-19 NASB

It isn't coincidence that the people who make so much of these "left-out books" tend to be the same people who keep talking about visions and revelations and seeing "hidden things" that only they have some special ability to see.

Hahahaha...

I didn't know the Lord of Glory, the Lord of Spirits and the Son of Man in the book of Enoch are also angels ooo

The book of Enoch giving devotion to angelic beings? what manner of 21st century illiteracy is this?

I'm very sure these guys talking have not studied this book of Enoch, merely hinging on hearsays and the opinions of others. Smh...

Ihedinobi3:

I'm not sure how you read. If I am asking you whether the Bible's quoting a source makes that source inspired, I clearly am asking you if you think that sources are inspired because a biblical author quoted them. Why are you making it seem like that was what I suggested myself? Is that not your argument for the inspiration of the Book of Enoch? That it was quoted by Jude?

I have no idea where you got the idea that there is any partially inspired book. Is it something you think I said?

I have told you what makes a book inspired. And I have told you which books are inspired.

He understand clearly but deliberately tries to misquote you.

Ihedinobi3:

I'm not sure how you read. If I am asking you whether the Bible's quoting a source makes that source inspired, I clearly am asking you if you think that sources are inspired because a biblical author quoted them. Why are you making it seem like that was what I suggested myself? Is that not your argument for the inspiration of the Book of Enoch? That it was quoted by Jude?

I have no idea where you got the idea that there is any partially inspired book. Is it something you think I said?

I have told you what makes a book inspired. And I have told you which books are inspired.

And I am also asking you this;

The portion of the uninspired book the Bible made reference to, are they now suddenly inspired since they are included in the Bible?

Ahn ahn... abi the the uninspired books are now "partially inspired" since the Bible made reference to parts of them?

What is your take on the extra books in the first version of the King James Bible?
What was the book of Enoch doing alongside other canonized books in the dead sea scrolls?
Are the extra books in the ancient Ethiopian Bible also uninspired?

Ihedinobi3:

You're exactly right about angelic devotion. Incidentally, this sort of thing has been calling a portion of Colossians to mind for me:

[18]Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,
[19]and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.
Colossians 2:18-19 NASB

It isn't coincidence that the people who make so much of these "left-out books" tend to be the same people who keep talking about visions and revelations and seeing "hidden things" that only they have some special ability to see.

Per the bolded, I wonder if we should also disregard the books of Daniel, Jeremiah, Isaiah and Revelation on this basis... hmmm?