Ihedinobi3:

You're exactly right about angelic devotion. Incidentally, this sort of thing has been calling a portion of Colossians to mind for me:

[18]Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,
[19]and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.
Colossians 2:18-19 NASB

It isn't coincidence that the people who make so much of these "left-out books" tend to be the same people who keep talking about visions and revelations and seeing "hidden things" that only they have some special ability to see.

I for one used to delight in these so called books that claims to reveal special secrets of Angels until I got saved and I realised Jesus was all sufficient for me, these so called books became useless and pointless and I quickly realised these books were satanic.
I usually mark people who elevate their so called visions on the same standard as the bible.
These lastdays are particularly interesting as all the words spoken by the apostles are coming to pass.

Ihedinobi3:

I'm not sure how you read. If I am asking you whether the Bible's quoting a source makes that source inspired, I clearly am asking you if you think that sources are inspired because a biblical author quoted them. Why are you making it seem like that was what I suggested myself? Is that not your argument for the inspiration of the Book of Enoch? That it was quoted by Jude?

I have no idea where you got the idea that there is any partially inspired book. Is it something you think I said?

I have told you what makes a book inspired. And I have told you which books are inspired.

Oh yes, going by your understanding, the books are inspired because of the decisions of the Protestant church to limit God's word to 66 books. The position of the Orthodox, Coptic and Catholic churches that existed before Protestant church should now be discarded.

Ask yourself again, the Bible is inspired...what business does it have making reference to "uninspired books"? Are those portions of the uninspired books suddenly now inspired since the Bible made reference to them?

You are still avoiding these other questions;

What is your take on the extra books in the first version of the King James Bible (1611 version)?
What was the book of Enoch doing alongside other canonized books in the ancient dead sea scrolls?
Are the extra books in the ancient Ethiopian Bible also uninspired?

OkCornel:


And I am also asking you this;

The portion of the uninspired book the Bible made reference to, are they now suddenly inspired since they are included in the Bible?

Ahn ahn... abi the the uninspired books are now "partially inspired" since the Bible made reference to parts of them?

I wonder if perhaps you mean to suggest that the inclusion of a quote in the Bible necessarily means that the quote is true. When Satan was quoted as tempting the Lord Jesus, should we consider his words to have been true too? The narration is inspired in that it carries God's Signature that it is all true, that is, that Satan really said what he is quoted to have said, but not necessarily that what he said was true or that God is telling us of it so that we can use it like it is true.

When the Greek poets in Athens said that we are also God's offspring, they may have been pagans, but they were speaking the truth. That truth was not theirs. It is the Lord's. It belongs in the realm of natural revelation (Romans 1:20), which is accessible to all whether they are believers or not.

When Jude quoted Enoch, he was quoting the pre-Flood prophet whose words were revealed to him by the Holy Spirit without any recourse to any literature. So, there is no comparison here.

What we can talk about is the other books that are referenced in the Bible, like the Book of Jared. These books contained historical records that would have given contemporaries a corroborating witness of what the Bible actually said, and provided more information for them that they might have found useful in their time. Many of these records never survived. If they did, they wouldn't have been inspired either, because their job was merely to contain historical records that could be referenced for a more robust appreciation of the Bible's witness.

So, the Bible's inspiration is not merely that the individual words are imbued with life. Rather, it is that the whole is endorsed by God and imbued with His Life so that we can be blessed by believing the message.

Ihedinobi3:

I wonder if perhaps you mean to suggest that the inclusion of a quote in the Bible necessarily means that the quote is true. When Satan was quoted as tempting the Lord Jesus, should we consider his words to have been true too? The narration is inspired in that it carries God's Signature that it is all true, that is, that Satan really said what he is quoted to have said, but not necessarily that what he said was true or that God is telling us of it so that we can use it like it is true.

When the Greek poets in Athens said that we are also God's offspring, they may have been pagans, but they were speaking the truth. That truth was not theirs. It is the Lord's. It belongs in the realm of natural revelation (Romans 1:20), which is accessible to all whether they are believers or not.

When Jude quoted Enoch, he was quoting the pre-Flood prophet whose words were revealed to him by the Holy Spirit without any recourse to any literature. So, there is no comparison here.

What we can talk about is the other books that are referenced in the Bible, like the Book of Jared. These books contained historical records that would have given contemporaries a corroborating witness of what the Bible actually said, and provided more information for them that they might have found useful in their time. Many of these records never survived. If they did, they wouldn't have been inspired either, because their job was merely to contain historical records that could be referenced for a more robust appreciation of the Bible's witness.

So, the Bible's inspiration is not merely that the individual words are imbued with life. Rather, it is that the whole is endorsed by God and imbued with His Life so that we can be blessed by believing the message.

Per the bolded, you mean Jude was quoting Enoch who had a book written down way long before Jude was born?

Can you explain how this came to be?

Enoch Chapter 1 v 9;

And behold! He comes with ten thousand of His holy ones (saints) in order to execute judgment on all, to destroy all the ungodly (wicked ones), and to convict all flesh of their works of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

Jude 1 v 14 - 15;

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.


HINT: THE BOOK OF ENOCH WAS WRITTEN WAY BEFORE JUDE LEARNT HOW TO READ AND WRITE!

Meanwhile, these questions are awaiting your answers;
What is your take on the extra books in the first version of the King James Bible (1611 version)?
What was the book of Enoch doing alongside other canonized books in the ancient dead sea scrolls?
Are the extra books in the ancient Ethiopian Bible also uninspired?

solite3:
I for one used to delight in these so called books that claims to reveal special secrets of Angels until I got saved and I realised Jesus was all sufficient for me, these so called books became useless and pointless and I quickly realised these books were satanic.
I usually mark people who elevate their so called visions on the same standard as the bible.
These lastdays are particularly interesting as all the words spoken by the apostles are coming to pass.

You're right that everything the apostles warned about is occurring now. People are turning away from the Truth after fictions created by men, because they cannot stand the Truth anymore. That is why these books are becoming the big deal that many of these rebels are making of them.

MuttleyLaff:
Hi, I come in peace, not to fight

"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and afterward as well, when the sons of God had sexual relations with the daughters of men. And they bore them children who became the mighty men of old, men of renown (i.e. a gibborim, on the earth, meaning one who magnifies himself, behaves proudly, a tyrant, who is bold, audacious)"
- Genesis 6:4

"¹This is the account of Noah’s sons Shem, Ham, and Japheth, who also had sons after the flood
⁶The sons of Ham: Cush, Mizraim, Put, and Canaan.
⁸And Cush was the father of Nimrod, who began to be a mighty one (i.e. a gibborim, on the earth, meaning one who magnifies himself, behaves proudly, a tyrant, who is bold, audacious)
⁹He was a mighty hunter (i.e. a gibborim, in defiance, bold disobedience) before the LORD so it is said, “Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the LORD."
- Genesis 10:1,6,8-9

"¹⁰Before the Lord gave the Moabites their land (i.e. one of Lot's sons, born of incest with his daughters), a large and powerful tribe lived there. They were the Emim, and they were as tall as the Anakim.
¹¹The Moabites called them Emim, though others sometimes used the name Rephaim for both the Anakim and the Emim."
- Deuteronomy 2:10-11

²⁰Before the Ammonites conquered the land (i.e. the second of Lot's sons, born of incest with his daughters) that the Lord had given them, some of the Rephaim used to live there, although the Ammonites called them Zamzummim.
²¹The Zamzummim were a large and powerful tribe and were as tall as the Anakim. But the Lord helped the Ammonites, and they killed many of the Zamzummim and forced the rest to leave. Then the Ammonites settled there.[/i]"
- Deuteronomy 2:20-21

"The people are strong and tall, the descendants of the Anakim. You know about them and you have heard it said about them, 'Who can stand up to the sons of Anak?"
- Deuteronomy 9:2

For what it's worth, the terms Nephilim, Rephaim and other names that these giants are/were known by, effectively have the same or similar connotations, as the terms used for the giants were done out from describing certain attributes about or of the giants. Take for example, Genesis 6:4 above, where we have the first adjective. They are called Nephilims, because they caused the world to fall even as they fell themselves. Nephilim comes from the root hebrew word naphal and properly means, a feller ( i.e. a bully or tyrant and thats a giant)

Genesis 10:1,6,8-9 above and other verses is a second example of giants being called gibborim and this because of their non-compliant, open resistance, tyrant, bold, audacious behaviour

In Deuteronomy 2:10-11 above, is the third example of giants getting called, Emim, the name is translated as "the dreaded ones" and it's because whoever that saw one of them was seized with terror.

The fourth example is where, the giants as seen in Deuteronomy 2:20-21 above are called Zamzummims because they inspired fear and were fierce warriors, they also were called Rephaim, for the sight of them, made people fearfully soft like as if melting hot wax

The fifth example is Deuteronomy 9:2 above where the giants are so called Anakim because they're long-necked tall men and wearing huge necklaces in great numbers

I thought you just earlier above said, no Nephilim of any kind survived the Flood, erhn? If no Nephilim of any kind survived the Flood, then where from recently has the birth of the Antichrist spring the Nephilim out from Ihedinobi3, hmm?

Nephilim, Rephaim and other terms are names that giants are/were known as and interchangeably used to describe them. The Nephilims and/or Rephaims and whatnot, definitely werent angel hybrids stock (i.e. they certainly weren't part-angel part human at all)

The bible vouched the purity of Noah and not anyone else. If any of Nephilims had hearkened to Noah's 120 years of preaching of immimnent doom, they would have been on board the ark, but obviously they didnt, except for a daughter of man with a dormant Nephilim gene who did.

Though I have my hunch how the Nephilim will resurface again, please Ihedinobi3 throw more light on how the birth of the Antichrist and the ten kings that will rule Tribulational Rome with him will bring about the new Nephilim. Thank you.

"After Noah was 500 years old, he became the father of Shem, Ham, and Japheth."
- Genesis 5:32

Ihedinobi3 fyi, as you can see from the above Genesis 5:32 birth order, Ham was Noah's middle son (i.e. second son), while Ham's son Canaan was Noah's "youngest son". I very much will be happy to prove this to you backing it up with scriptures if you so much disagree

I definitely agree with muttley on this that the sons of God aren't angels but humans(flesh and blood). I think I have argued about this on this board with the Jehovah witness crew.

Enoch 71 v 13-15;

13. And the Head of Days came with Michael, Gabriel, Raphael and Phanuel and thousands and ten thousands of angels without number
14. And the angel came to me and greeted me with his voice, and said to me 'This is the Son of Man who is born to righteousness, and righteousness abides over him, and the righteousness of the Head of Days forsakes him not.'
15. And he said to me: 'He proclaims to you peace in the name of the world to come; from there peace has proceeded since the creation of the world, and it shall be with you forever and forever and ever.

John 17 v 24-25;

24 "Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me.

OkCornel:


Oh yes, going by your understanding, the books are inspired because of the decisions of the Protestant church to limit God's word to 66 books. The position of the Orthodox, Coptic and Catholic churches that existed before Protestant church should now be discarded.

Ask yourself again, the Bible is inspired...what business does it have making reference to "uninspired books"? Are those portions of the uninspired books suddenly now inspired since the Bible made reference to them?

You are still avoiding these other questions;

What is your take on the extra books in the first version of the King James Bible (1611 version)?
What was the book of Enoch doing alongside other canonized books in the ancient dead sea scrolls?
Are the extra books in the ancient Ethiopian Bible also uninspired?

I'm wondering if there is any point in continuing to talk to you. Do you have a problem understanding what you read?

I said to you that books that are inspired are recognized by the presence of life in them. That's it. I did not say that books that are inspired are recognized by the Evangelical Protestants' acceptance of them.

I said that there are only 66 such books, and those are the ones that are accepted by Evangelical Protestants. That is, I said that the books that are inspired are in the collection that Evangelical Protestants have universally accepted. That is merely identifying which books are inspired, not telling you why they are inspired. Please, don't waste any more of my time asking me to repeat things I have said in writing.

As for the Orthodox, Coptic, and Roman churches, I don't see any reason why their say matters. The Bible was known as it was written. The Jewish nation knew what the Old Testament was right as it was being written (Jeremiah 36). They certainly did not need the Orthodox, Coptic, and Roman churches to tell them which book was inspired and which book wasn't. In the days of the apostles, it was the same (2 Peter 3:15-16). No one has ever needed the Orthodox, Coptic, and Roman churches to tell them which book was inspired and which book wasn't. Any living conscience can recognize the Word of God when it is spoken.

As for what business the Bible has referencing uninspired books, it's exactly the same business that it has referencing creation to prove the Existence of God and His Character (Romans 1:20; Psalm 19:1-6). Wherever there is any truth at all, it belongs to God. Only God defines Truth. Whatever He says is true. Therefore, when He built the world, He filled it with witnesses of His Truth, so that everyone who wishes to hear His Truth will find it by listening to them. If a reasonably accurate account of history is written, it will bear testimony to the veracity of the Bible. That is why the Bible references the books that it does.

As for the King James Bible, I am not going to repeat myself again.

Whatever the Book of Enoch was doing there is probably what every other preserved bit of literature is or was doing wherever it is found. That does not mean that every preserved bit of literature is God's Truth. Are you going to call the Roman tax records inspired because they still exist? Or are you going to say that it is only documents found in the Qumran caves that are inspired? Why? Because the caves are holy ground?

As for the Ethiopian Bible, please don't waste my time.

OkCornel:
Hahahaha...

I didn't know the Lord of Glory, the Lord of Spirits and the Son of Man in the book of Enoch are also angels ooo

The book of Enoch giving devotion to angelic beings? what manner of 21st century illiteracy is this?

I'm very sure these guys talking have not studied this book of Enoch, merely hinging on hearsays and the opinions of others. Smh...

Ah swear down. It's 5mb basic YouTube go video that caused it. Even me self was a victim. Lol.

Hearsay o. Read they won't. How can someone just be arguing using 10 minutes YouTube videos or as the case maybe as substantial evidence when the case is opened freely for investigations?

I guessed if another person wrote the things that Jesus Christ did which John did not write or mentioned as a result of time, energy and space, the books will also be considered a tool of the devil for the new age movement prepared by gnostics.....LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Looooooooool...... How I love you my Lord Jesus Christ.

OkCornel:


Per the bolded, you mean Jude was quoting Enoch who had a book written down way long before Jude was born?

Can you explain how this came to be?

Enoch Chapter 1 v 9;

And behold! He comes with ten thousand of His holy ones (saints) in order to execute judgment on all, to destroy all the ungodly (wicked ones), and to convict all flesh of their works of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

Jude 1 v 14 - 15;

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.


HINT: THE BOOK OF ENOCH WAS WRITTEN WAY BEFORE JUDE LEARNT HOW TO READ AND WRITE!

Meanwhile, these questions are awaiting your answers;
What is your take on the extra books in the first version of the King James Bible (1611 version)?
What was the book of Enoch doing alongside other canonized books in the ancient dead sea scrolls?
Are the extra books in the ancient Ethiopian Bible also uninspired?

Are you deliberately playing unintelligent? Or are you refusing to read what I write and just making stuff up to attribute to me?

I said that Jude quoted Enoch without any recourse to anything written. That means that he did not quote a written source. He quoted what he was shown by the Holy Spirit what Enoch said, very likely orally. He had a vision, is what I mean.

How do you know when the Book of Enoch was written? The Holy Spirit showed you while you were in your closet?

Finally, there is no book of Enoch.

Enoch Chapter 94 v 4-9;

4. But seek and chose for yourselves righteousness and an elect life, walk in the paths of peace and you shall live and prosper.
5. And hold my words in the thought of your hearts, and permit them not to be erased from your hearts; for I know that sinners will tempt men to evilly entreat wisdom, so that no place be found for her, and temptation will increase.
6. Woe to those who build unrighteousness and oppression and lay deceit as a foundation; for they shall suddenly be overthrown, and they shall have no peace.
7. Woe to those who build their houses with sin, for from their foundations shall they be overthrown, and by the sword shall they fall. And those who acquire gold and silver shall suddenly perish in the judgment.
8. Woe to you, you rich, for you have trusted in your riches, and from your riches you shall depart, because you have not remembered the Most High in the days of your riches.
9. You have committed blasphemy and unrighteousness, and have become ready for the day of slaughter, and the day of darkness and the day of great judgment


James Chapter 5 v 1-6;

1. Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries that are coming upon you!
2. Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten.
3. Your gold and silver are corroded, and their corrosion will be a witness against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have heaped up treasure in the last days.
4. Indeed the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, cry out; and the cries of the reapers have reached the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth.
5 You have lived on the earth in pleasure and luxury; you have fattened your hearts as in a day of slaughter.
6 You have condemned, you have murdered the just; he does not resist you.

bloodofthelamb:


I definitely agree with muttley on this that the sons of God aren't angels but humans(flesh and blood). I think I have argued about this on this board with the Jehovah witness crew.

bloodofthlamb you are welcome brother, I think the sons of God in genesis were actually fallen angels who might have possessed human males to have sexual intercourse with women, and this process might lead to a bio engineered genes of the resulting children to be unusual, the reason I think this is true is that

1. It was not recorded that humans were prohibited to inter marry among themselves.
2. The wild and sudden total corruption of the human society meant something devilish actually took place.
3.There was no evidence that certain humans were called sons of God while others were not.
4.angels are sometimes called the sons of God.
5.from the book of Jude these angels were imprisoned for their crimes in the book od noah.
6. The unsual children resulting from such union.

But I believe that such sexual union of the sons of God and the daughters of men were not physical but spiritual through human males.

Ihedinobi3:

Are you deliberately playing unintelligent? Or are you refusing to read what I write and just making stuff up to attribute to me?

I said that Jude quoted Enoch without any recourse to anything written. That means that he did not quote a written source. He quoted what he was shown by the Holy Spirit what Enoch said, very likely orally. He had a vision, is what I mean.

How do you know when the Book of Enoch was written? The Holy Spirit showed you while you were in your closet?

Finally, there is no book of Enoch.

Bros please use your head.

Tell us how Enoch 1 v 9 and Jude 1 v 14-15 contains the same text, bearing in mind the book of Enoch was written way before Jude's parents were even born;

Enoch Chapter 1 v 9;

And behold! He comes with ten thousand of His holy ones (saints) in order to execute judgment on all, to destroy all the ungodly (wicked ones), and to convict all flesh of their works of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

Jude 1 v 14 - 15;

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.


HINT: THE BOOK OF ENOCH WAS WRITTEN WAY BEFORE JUDE LEARNT HOW TO READ AND WRITE!

Meanwhile, these questions are awaiting your answers;
1)What is your take on the extra books in the first version of the King James Bible (1611 version)?
2)What was the book of Enoch doing alongside other canonized books in the ancient dead sea scrolls?
3)Are the extra books in the ancient Ethiopian Bible also uninspired?

CaveAdullam:
Ah swear down. It's 5mb basic YouTube go video that caused it. Even me self was a victim. Lol.

Hearsay o. Read they won't. How can someone just be arguing using 10 minutes YouTube videos or as the case maybe as substantial evidence when the case is opened freely for investigations?

I guessed if another person wrote the things that Jesus Christ did which John did not write or mentioned as a result of time, energy and space, the books will also be considered a tool of the devil for the new age movement prepared by gnostics.....LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Looooooooool...... How I love you my Lord Jesus Christ.

Per the bolded, exactly!

Ignorance is indeed a disease. Some dudes here are telling us the words of an Eternal God that existed and spoke long before man invented ink and paper ... now suddenly has ALL HIS WORDS limited to 66 books.


I can't help but ask, when God gives one a revelation/prophecy that comes to pass in our time, is that revelation/prophecy not also the word of God?

Abi is it until they see it in the 66 books of the Bible, then they'll take it as the word of God? It's just like Daniel going back to check the books of Moses to confirm if the revelations concerning the huge statue was written to confirm it is the word of God...smh

Ihedinobi3:

Are you deliberately playing unintelligent? Or are you refusing to read what I write and just making stuff up to attribute to me?

I said that Jude quoted Enoch without any recourse to anything written. That means that he did not quote a written source. He quoted what he was shown by the Holy Spirit what Enoch said, very likely orally. He had a vision, is what I mean.

How do you know when the Book of Enoch was written? The Holy Spirit showed you while you were in your closet?

Finally, there is no book of Enoch.

or it could be a common knowledge among the jews about what enoch said. Jude didn't say it was written by enoch.

OkCornel:


Per the bolded, exactly!

Ignorance is indeed a disease. Some dudes here are telling us the words of an Eternal God that existed and spoke long before man invented ink and paper ... now suddenly has ALL HIS WORDS contained in 66 books.

satan did not used his words from his own inspired books to tempt the Lord Jesus Christ but decided to used the words of God in psalms because he knows his words are those of deceit and God's word is true.

How then will God now make reference from the inspired words of satan in the preparation of the 66 books?

Just reasoning.

budaatum:
The above is the sort of ignorance some think is Godly. He basically is claiming his own knowledge about tomatoes, "putting tomato in a fruit bowl or fruit salad", is all the knowledge and understanding and wisdom knowable about tomatoes, the equivalent of claiming "thou shalt not" is the Wisdom of God. And he spews his ignorance in his yadayada word diarrhea while refusing to consider anything else that anyone else has to say about tomatoes.

I am assured that anyone inclined to do to the tomato what some smart people have done here on the Book of Enoch would more than put a tomato in a "fruit bowl or fruit salad". Even a simple understanding about tomatoes might lead to tomato puree and putting tomatoes in a tin can, both of which prolong the tomatoes very short life, and that's before talking of the various other useful things tomatoes can do and be used for

One should wonder how we Nigerians hardly go two days in a row without eating some tomatoes. Then consider the Wisdom of God and all other things added on to its getting including the prolongation of life on earth and even life eternal. The smarter amongst you make me believe that you shall surely fulfil the sentiment expressed here.

I can always rely on you to look at the wrong end of the telescope and turn putting tomato in a fruit salad or bowl of fruit on its head. Smh and mtchewww is all I have for you

gobuchinny:
Im concerned for you bro. You really need to read wide. You guys just make comments without indepth study. Dont be lazy and study mehn.

Speak for yourself and be more concerned about yourself than you ought for me

gobuchinny:
Even Paul understood the sins of the Angel's.

Here we go again, gobuchinny, please state where and when Paul understood the alleged sins of the Angels. Thank you in advance, smh.

gobuchinny:
Hence that scripture that you cannot explain. This was common knowledge in the early church. Like it was during the time of Noah. Even the dark side knows it's TRUE. Hollywood knows this but muttey doesnt .

Do you know that the early Israelites believed in those Angel's that birthed giants whose souls are demons? Early apostolic father believed this also. I'm telling you facts that if you were an ardent reader, you would know this things. Its history and history cannot lie.

"¹³That statement is true. For this reason, sharply correct believers so that they continue to have faith that is alive and well.
¹⁴They shouldn't pay attention to Jewish myths or commands given by people who are always rejecting the truth.
(i.e. no longer hold on to Jewish legends or don't pay any attention to any of those senseless Jewish stories and to human commandments)"
- Titus 1:13-14

"Do not waste time arguing over godless ideas and old wives’ tales. Instead, train yourself to be godly.
(i.e. Don't have anything to do with worthless, senseless stories. Work hard to be truly religious)"
- 1 Timothy 4:7

Do you know what advices Paul gave his protégé, Timothy, hmm gobuchinny?

gobuchinny:
It's like an atheist in this day and age denying the existence of the man Jesus . That is foolishness because even Jewisth historians and records prove that Jesus lived and walked the earth. If his saying he doesnt beleive Yeshua is Christ then we know where his problem lies but not that He doesnt exist . infact there r records of his burial and that he wasn't buried like a criminal but as infact a noble. Did you know all this dear muttey.

No gobuchinny, I didnt know all that dear gobuchinny. Thank you very much for this invaluable dear information. I am going to quickly frame it up and place at the foot of my bed, so that every morning I wake up, it'll be the first thing my eyes sets upon

gobuchinny:
So we dont really have an argument here unless we r dealing with facts not what you think of a book but what the beliefs handed down through the custodians of religion and the Only God (Israeleites)

I see you actually dont know jack-shit about me, because if you did, you would have known I dont personally do arguments. I demolish arguments with incontrovertible facts.

bloodofthelamb:
I definitely agree with muttley on this that the sons of God aren't angels but humans (flesh and blood). I think I have argued about this on this board with the Jehovah witness crew.

Great minds, think alike, but dirty minds work together and this is so evident on this thread

Ihedinobi3:
For what it is worth, I am not on your side, MuttleyLaff.

Nothing is as dangerous as an ignoranus brother, smh. The truth you failed to embrace is already exposing you.

Ihedinobi3:
I can't stop you from quoting me, referencing me, or invoking my name. But, even where it seems as if we are in agreement, we are not on the same side.

Let God be the judge of who is on whose sides, OK Ihedinobi3?

Ihedinobi3:
What is more, your answers here are only more proof of your gross disrespect for the Word of God

Thank you very much for your kindness, support and word of love.

Ihedinobi3:
I could not be more opposed to you, since I rejoice in the Word of God and love it with all my heart. I bow to it, and choose to live for and by it. Also, I am committed to helping anyone who will accept my help to understand it. None of these things is true about you.

Ihedinobi3:
So, it is gross dishonesty to attempt to lump me together with you.

Why you're getting all riled up and what for or what really about, I dont know Ihedinobi3. I just pointed out the truth but I see you're nursing a seething grudge and it tells by the way you took my harmless, honest and innocent comment the wrong way round.

Ihedinobi3, fyi, I am a one man mopol, Billy-No-Mates. I have no pals as you can see I am always alone. I stand for exposing lies, not looking for support, this is why I am a one man mopol.

CaveAdullam:
satan did not used his words from his own inspired books to tempt the Lord Jesus Christ but decided to used the words of God in psalms because he knows his words are those of deceit and God's word is true.

How then will God now make reference from the inspired words of satan in the preparation of the 66 books?

Just reasoning.

Another interesting angle!

CaveAdullam:
satan did not used his words from his own inspired books to tempt the Lord Jesus Christ but decided to used the words of God in psalms because he knows his words are those of deceit and God's word is true.

How then will God now make reference from the inspired words of satan in the preparation of the 66 books?

Just reasoning.

CaveAdullam, I like it when you begin reasoning and with questionings, so here is a poser question for you, if the book of Enoch is all that esteemed, why isnt there just a single black and white mention of the Book of Enoch, anywhere in scripture, just the same way as those other almost 20 listed books in my earlier comment made to you, erhn?

Is the Book of Enoch that much of an outcast, that no one was prepared to unrestrictedly mention the name of the book ni?

MuttleyLaff:
Speak for yourself and be more concerned about yourself than you ought for me

Here we go again, gobuchinny, please state where and when Paul understood the alleged sins of the Angels. Thank you in advance, smh.

"¹³That statement is true. For this reason, sharply correct believers so that they continue to have faith that is alive and well.
¹⁴They shouldn't pay attention to Jewish myths or commands given by people who are always rejecting the truth.
(i.e. no longer hold on to Jewish legends or don't pay any attention to any of those senseless Jewish stories and to human commandments)"
- Titus 1:13-14

"Do not waste time arguing over godless ideas and old wives’ tales. Instead, train yourself to be godly.
(i.e. Don't have anything to do with worthless, senseless stories. Work hard to be truly religious)"
- 1 Timothy 4:7

Do you know what advices Paul gave his protégé, Timothy, hmm gobuchinny?

No gobuchinny, I didnt know all that dear gobuchinny. Thank you very much for this invaluable dear information. I am going to quickly frame it up and place at the foot of my bed, so that every morning I wake up, it'll be the first thing my eyes sets upon

I see you actually dont know jack-shit about me, because if you did, you would have known I dont personally do arguments. I demolish arguments with incontrovertible facts.

You obviously just pick scripture out of isolation . The Jewish fables cannot fly because we are not jews . Let me educate you. During this period, The Jewish Christian's had a tendency to beleive that they r more important than gentile Christian's because truly salvation was from the jews. And Christ was a Son from Judah . Remember the issue on circumcision? And how the book of galatians was written to address this issues? How certain jews wanted the gentiles to obey the law. That my friend was part of the issue of that letter to Timothy.

What we r doing here is simply studying history which is what scripture is. Or dont you know the bible you read is historical events muttey . So these r not Jewish myths sir but actual verifiable facts like I said, if only you apply yourself to understand facts and truths.

That you dont know the beliefs of history is an issue to your own belief because if you think beliefs started in your lifetime and so whatever you see in your generation or lifetime is what has been obtaining since creation then you r greatly deceived

It like believing that America existed during Yeshua's time . There was an ancient civilization. Study to understand the world you live in as it existed long before you were born and will still exist long after you n me if Yeshua tarries

The funny thing is as Paul said. Things around us explains the spiritual things. If there were world conflicts and histories that shaped our world dont you think they might be spiritual conflicts that shaped the world also?

I wonder when someone is going to answer the puzzle as to what the book of Enoch was doing alongside other canonized books discovered in the ancient dead sea scrolls?

gobuchinny:
You obviously just pick scripture out of isolation . The Jewish fables cannot fly because we are not jews . Let me educate you. During this period, The Jewish Christian's had a tendency to beleive that they r more important than gentile Christian's because truly salvation was from the jews. And Christ was a Son from Judah . Remember the issue on circumcision? And how the book of galatians was written to address this issues? How certain jews wanted the gentiles to obey the law. That my friend was part of the issue of that letter to Timothy.

What we r doing here is simply studying history which is what scripture is. Or dont you know the bible you read is historical events muttey . So these r not Jewish myths sir but actual verifiable facts like I said, if only you apply yourself to understand facts and truths.

That you dont know the beliefs of history is an issue to your own belief because if you think beliefs started in your lifetime and so whatever you see in your generation or lifetime is what has been obtaining since creation then you r greatly deceived

It like believing that America existed during Yeshua's time . There was an ancient civilization. Study to understand the world you live in as it existed long before you were born and will still exist long after you n me if Yeshua tarries

The funny thing is as Paul said. Things around us explains the spiritual things. If there were world conflicts and histories that shaped our world dont you think they might be spiritual conflicts that shaped the world also?

What a total load of codswallop, I just wasted my time to read up. You must be high on dry moin-moin leaves to think that circumcision is a Jewish myth or legend. Is it possible to unread the obfuscated garble and claim back my time used reading the senseless write up?

OkCornel:


Bros please use your head.

I think it needs to be understood that some do not quite agree with the above sentiment and would rather you do not use your head because using your head as opposed to, as they put it, following the Word of God, is like following the words of satan. The irony is that they think they are following the Word of God when in truth they are using their head to misinform themselves and asking you to use their head instead of your own God given Holy Spirit filled head.

It is the lesson taught when it is written that the "Lord said to Moses, “Come up to the Lord, you and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel. You are to worship at a distance, but Moses alone is to approach the Lord; the others must not come near. And the people may not come up with him”.

buda says, "What the fuq, Lord! Has Moses got two heads?! Is it not you who created buda also? I'm coming up too. And I'm approaching you!"

And so it happens that Jude 1 v 14-15 contains exactly the same thing in a much earlier book in Enoch 1 v 9...

And some people are arguing that;
1) Jude made no reference to the book of Enoch, but wrote by "divine revelation"
2) And funny enough, the book of Enoch that contains that same exact text is not inspired, but the book of Jude is inspired...

It's really funny how people reason here...

OkCornel:


Bros please use your head.

Tell us how Enoch 1 v 9 and Jude 1 v 14-15 contains the same text, bearing in mind the book of Enoch was written way before Jude's parents were even born;

Enoch Chapter 1 v 9;

And behold! He comes with ten thousand of His holy ones (saints) in order to execute judgment on all, to destroy all the ungodly (wicked ones), and to convict all flesh of their works of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

Jude 1 v 14 - 15;

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.


HINT: THE BOOK OF ENOCH WAS WRITTEN WAY BEFORE JUDE LEARNT HOW TO READ AND WRITE!

Meanwhile, these questions are awaiting your answers;
1)What is your take on the extra books in the first version of the King James Bible (1611 version)?
2)What was the book of Enoch doing alongside other canonized books in the ancient dead sea scrolls?
3)Are the extra books in the ancient Ethiopian Bible also uninspired?

It's simple enough how the Book of Enoch had the quote. Someone may very well have copied Jude to produce the Book of Enoch. There are plenty enough novels today that quote accurate historical sources. That does not mean that they are reliable historical sources themselves.

As for your questions, I have already answered them, some of them multiple times even, so I'm not wasting my time on them again.

solite3:
or it could be a common knowledge among the jews about what enoch said. Jude didn't say it was written by enoch.

This could be true, but given that Jude was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write, and that Enoch was not a Jew, so that his prophecies would necessarily be important to Jews, and given also that Enoch's prophecies are mentioned nowhere else in this body of Jewish sacred writings called the Old Testament, it is unlikely that Jude's quote was ever common knowledge among the Jews. It is very possibly what was shown to Him by the Lord, just like Moses was given to see the entire history of Creation up to the point of the Exile, including the very words of ancient prophets like Noah, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. This is really not an unreasonable or particularly difficult conclusion to draw.

Ihedinobi3:

It's simple enough how the Book of Enoch had the quote. Someone may very well have copied Jude to produce the Book of Enoch. There are plenty enough novels today that quote accurate historical sources. That does not mean that they are reliable historical sources themselves.

As for your questions, I have already answered them, some of them multiple times even, so I'm not wasting my time on them again.

Are you kidding me? So the book of Jude is older than the book of Enoch?


Like seriously?

Oh my bad, where exactly did you answer my questions on the inclusion of the book of Enoch in the Dead Sea scrolls, or why the first version of the KJV bible and the ancient Ethiopian bible both have more than 66 books?

OkCornel:


Are you kidding me? So the book of Jude is older than the book of Enoch?


Like seriously?

Why on Earth would I be kidding you? What makes you think your book of Enoch was written before Jude?

Ihedinobi3:

Why on Earth would I be kidding you? What makes you think your book of Enoch was written before Jude?

Let’s start with the ancient Dead Sea scrolls, what was the book of Enoch doing there alongside other canonised scriptures?

Are you also aware there oldest fragments of the Book of Enoch available dates as far back as 300BC?

Now remind me again, when was the book of Jude written?

MuttleyLaff:
CaveAdullam, I like it when you begin reasoning and with questionings, so here is a poser question for you, if the book of Enoch is all that esteemed, why isnt there just a single black and white mention of the Book of Enoch, anywhere in scripture, just the same way as those other almost 20 listed books in my earlier comment made to you, erhn?

Is the Book of Enoch that much of an outcast, that no one was prepared to unrestrictedly mention the name of the book ni?

In my own black and white paper Bible, Jude and Peter made reference to the book of Enoch.