Maximus69:


Well that's a lie!

Even Apostle Paul have repented of his sin yet he still struggle with works of the flesh! Roman 7:21-25

My friend, the only person who could cultivate all those nine qualities is Jesus (God's only begotten son) who is perfect. The only way that could be noticed amongst humans is a thorough examination of the congregation where the perfect teacher (Jesus) is leading them!

If you try to examine each and every member of the Christian congregation, you'll never find one single individual who has all those nine qualities.
But as a BODY they will bear all those qualities as a group, that's what the OP is saying! John 17:20-23

Matthew 5:48- Be ye perfect, as your Father in heaven is perfect.
You cant just sit in one corner and say you wont find one person who is perfect. Why do you think the rapture will be for a select few?
God knows them that are His. If perfection were not possible, the Bible wouldnt have said that.

martjay:



. (5) they don't believe that Jesus is God, instead regarded Jesus as one the angels and was created by God. (6) in their Bible, John 1:1, they changed God to god which is Jesus. (7) they believed that there is no hell fire where sinners shall punished and could not explain the parable of Lazarus and a rich man in Luke 16:20-24 and motive of that parable. ( you can never differentiate between their female members and so the called worldly ladies in terms of dressing and attitudes. Etc

Your point 2, Do you celebrate Christmas? A well known Kumuyi follower ,says you're an idol worshipper. In a nutshell, you won't make heaven.... Your pastors tell you JWs are anti-Christ,so what's your point?

5). Yes. that's what your own copy of the Bible says.
6).
Hear the Truth: Many other Bibles says "the word was a god", "the word was divine" etc. For instance, John1:1,Emphatic Diaglott bible and many others (Google" John1:1 Wikipedia" or "Reno Omokri Trinity article" or Femi Aribisala Trinity article".
The popular version of John 1:1 you been hearing since your childhood is distorted.
Greek John1:1 reads:
** "In beginning was the word, and the word was with the God (ton theon,) ,and the word was God (theos).
Greek theos means 'God, a god'.
Greek 'was with' means "facing towards"
The word facing towards the God., that's two distinct spirit beings, NOT one being.
The word was theos,NOT ton theon the God.
Jesus has divine nature, a god or godlike being but he is not 'ton theon' (the God) in John1:1
Jesus says God is a spirit,One being. John4:24
NOT 3 spirits.
I have simplified it as much as possible.
7)
Adam is the first sinner punished by God, why did God not send him to hellfire?
The precedent refutes hellfire claim.
2Thess1:7-9.
Jude 1:7, what did everlasting fire do to the wicked nations of Sodom and Gomorrah?

JWs dignify Jehovah with modesty in dressing and grooming which we always emphasize @ all times.
However, it's improper to impose your personal tastes or preferences upon others.
Every student of God's word has a bible trained conscience to discern what is modest and immodest. Hebrews 5:14.

generationz:
Yes, they preach and encourage their members to study the Bible but I know three Jehovahs witness elders who are confirmed Jazzmen. Two don't hide it at all. One does but you'll see him digging his compound today and burying that tomorrow.


This is because:

1. The average witness hardly prays compared to even Jesus and the early church.

Matthew 26 vs 40.
Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. "Couldn't you men keep watch with me for one hour?" he asked Peter.

Yes, Jesus was praying for one hour before he returned to his disciples then he went back again to pray for another hour TO RECEIVE STRENGTH


Prayer is the only way a Christian can receive strength. Any Christian organization that doesn't
teach it's members how to stand in the place of prayers for long hours ALONE should be checked.

Paul: Acts 9 vs 8 -12

8 Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus. 9 For three days he was blind, and did not eat or drink anything.

10 In Damascus, there was a disciple named Ananias. The Lord called to him in a vision, “Ananias!”

“Yes, Lord,” he answered.

11 The Lord told him, “Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying. 12 In a vision, he has seen a man named Ananias come and place his hands on him to restore his sight.”.

Even Paul as a baby Christian knew the importance of persistently banging on heavens door to get results. Remember the story Jesus told of the corrupt Judge and the persistent widow? I can't go into depth as to the power of prayer now because it is a vast topic.

2. If you want to know a real Christian don't ask him to quote scriptures and him about the Holy Spirit.

Jehovah's witnesses have bastardized the person of the Holy Spirit. They call him Gods active force when Jesus Christ clearly referred to the Holy Spirit as a "He" and "Him"

John 16 vs 7-8
. 7 But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send HIM to you. 8 When HE comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment:

Vs 12.

12 “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”

Do you refer to an active force as He? Do you refer to electricity, lightning, thunder, rain as He?

Even Jehovah's witnesses couldn't alter that part.




3. They know scriptures, yes but ask an average Jehovah's witness what is your opinion about this scripture as revealed to you by the Holy Spirit, they will stare at you like groundnut.

The regurgitate what they have been taught by Charles T. Russell their founder.

As the Bereans showed us by example scriptures taught must be open for questioning and research at all times. They are far worse than Catholics when it comes to their herd mentality but they don't know.


Now, to their good side, I don't think I have seen a religious org. as united as them. All their building works are done by members.

Yes, I used to be a witness so that's why I can point out their loopholes.

You were never fully one of us. If you were, you'll know we pray but not to the worrisome lengths many churches practice it.

Why were the disciples asleep when Jesus met them? Because if it was their habit to be praying, they'd all be wide awake or at least some would. In this case, not a single one was awake indicates it was not a standard practice.

Why did Jesus berate them? Jesus was soon going to be arrested and carry out the greatest assignment of all time, the ransom sacrifice. That was why he kept a vigil, the word has been so debased today. It wasn't a moment to be sleeping but to be on the watch as the disciples where soon to find out.

Prayer isn't the main thing. "Happy is the one hearing the word of God and keeping it" (Luke 11:28). That is what counts most to Jehovah is that we do his will (Read 1 John 5:3) That is what matters to Jehovah (Read Mark 11:32-34).

Do you know that Jehovah isn't even a fan of long meaningless prayers, full of repetitions? (Read Matthew 6:7-

Jehovah's Witnesses pray. An elder advised me to communicate with Jehovah as much as possible concerning a major problem I have. The way he said it, it would be like every 10 minutes. I suffer from anxiety for instance. He advised that anytime I feel my anxiety rising, I pray. That could mean many times in an hour when I am in a social gathering for instance.

So we do pray but we ensure we don't go overboard. And most importantly, we focus most importantly on doing his will which is the greatest proof that we love Jehovah and put faith in him.

2. About the holy spirit

The use personification in the Bible is common.

For instance, at Proverbs 8 we read:

Is not wisdom calling out?
Is not discernment raising its voice?
2 On the heights along the road,
It takes its position at the crossroads.
3 Next to the gates leading into the city,
At the entrances of the doorways,
It keeps crying out loudly:

Is Wisdom a person that can call out? No. The holy spirit is neither a person either. If he was, what is his name? We know our Creator is Jehovah. We know his son is Jesus, but what is the name of the holy spirit?

Isaiah 40:26 probably gives us the best insight into what the holy spirit is:

“Lift up your eyes to heaven and see.
Who has created these things?
It is the One who brings out their army by number;
He calls them all by name.
Because of his vast dynamic energy and his awe-inspiring power,
Not one of them is missing.

That vast dynamic energy and awe-inspiring power is the holy spirit. The holy spirit is the most powerful force in the universe. The Egyptians called it "God's finger'.

3. You stated we regurgitate what Charles Taze Russell said is simply not true. The organisation is far ahead of that time. Charles Taze Russell died more than 100 years ago. As Daniel prophesied, the Truth will become more abundant today and it has.

In the field, we always back our teachings with the scripture. Your verse on the Bereans is a verse I often open to the householder for them to know the importance of following up whatever I say.

Your being one of us does not mean you were ever really one of us. Your parents might have been but you might have always been a skeptic. Each child has to make the Truth is own. I know the son of an elder who is a pastor. I know another elder son who has no interest in religious things. I think he was even baptized.

Janosky:

You worship 3 person, triune Godhead.
Jehovah commanded Jesus Christ to sit at his right hand....
where did Jehovah install the holy spirit to sit ?

Read Acts 5:1-6 . According to verse 3, who
did Ananias lie to ?

But Peter said, “Ananias, why has
Satan filled your heart to lie
to the HOLY SPIRIT and to keep
back some of the price of the
land?

Ananias lied to the Holy spirit. Then in verse 4, who is Ananias accused of laying to?

4 “While it remained unsold, did it
not remain your own? And
after it was sold, was it not
under your control? Why is it
that you have conceived this
deed in your heart? You have
not lied to men but TO GOD.”

Both verses are referring to the same person -
Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit who is God.

Janosky:

You worship 3 person, triune Godhead.
Jehovah commanded Jesus Christ to sit at his right hand....
where did Jehovah install the holy spirit to sit ?

What constitutes the essentials of personality? Usually three things ,a person must possess intelligence, emotions, and will. A thing lacks
these, but the Holy Spirit is not a thing because
He has intelligence, emotions and will.

1. intelligence. The Spirit knows All things
https://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/1%20Corinthians%202.10-11
2.emotion. the spirit can be grieved. https://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Ephesians%204.30
3. Will. the spirit gives gift to men as He will .
https://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/1%20Corinthians%2012.11

The Holy Spirit is associated with the Father and the Son, and placed on the same level as they are. According to Matthew 28:19 , the disciples must baptize in what names? Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

According to John 16:8-11 , what three things does the Holy Spirit do to the non-Christian in the world?.

1. concerning sin, because they do not believe in
Me
2. concerning righteousness, because I go to the
Father, and you no longer behold Me
3. concerning judgment, because the ruler of this
world has been judged

the Jehovah witness cult teaches that the Holy spirit is an active force, if its true then everyone Will be entitled to it, both the save and unsaved. is this not blasphemy ?

Simple faith in God and His promises results in our being filled with the Spirit. We may not "feel" full, get goose bumps, be overwhelmed with the sense of peace or His presence, yet we are filled.Our confidence is in God and His promises, not our feelings.

maiahsaiah:
They rarely have premarital sex

Same with Mormons, so they are not unique in that sense.


By the way they do have pre-marital sex more frequently than u think. A lot of judicial committees are set up each year to handle these cases.

Mormons too have men who ecclesiastical function for people who engage in fornication.

Maximus69:


Of course they are trash and jargons, but making usw of those trash and jargons those old men in America have succeeded in uniting over 8,500,000 individuals from different nations of the earth, and they have formed one big happy family of peace loving worshipers! John 17:20-23

And it's those trash and jargons that helped them cultivate all those EVIL attributes the OP listed above! Matthew 7:15-20

Well i suppose the whole inhabitants of this planet should get used to those trash and jargons!

Hope you know that coming online to debate with people the watchtower calls apostates is wrongdoing on your part. I've been following you, if you know have nothing to fear, drop ur name and congregation, let's report to your elders your activity online and see if they will give you a pat on the back.

If you know that you have any conscience left, you should report yourself to the overseers To Help you.

grandstar:


i am a Jehovah's Witness and I will only focus on your last point.

I would like you to show me proof that we are aligned with the United Nations. I will really appreciate it. Just one proof.

Here it is sir

https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/united-nations-association.php

Truth fears no scrutiny. So do your research without fear.

ngwababe:


Bros reason this thing you just said, e make sense to you? So you mean there's nothing like judgement day? Revelation 20:1-15.

Without judgement, how will you know who to destroy and who to send into heaven?

OkCornel:


I don’t agree with some JW doctrines, and I regularly make it known to them. They also tell me it’s normal, as we cannot agree on everything.

However, kudos to the things they’re getting right. Their Awake and Watchtower publications are well researched and informative. I read them from time to time.

You are deceived.

Tallesty1:
Without judgement, how will you know who to destroy and who to send into heaven?

Then the destruction of the sinned soul is hell fire, there is their place. There's nothing like they will cease to exist bro.

ngwababe:


Then the destruction of the sinned soul is hell fire, there is their place. There's nothing like they will cease to exist bro.

What does fire do to things?

All Christians are hypocrites. A Christian is someone who is not themselves on Sundays.

OLAADEGBU:


You are deceived.

I am deceived for not believing some JW doctrines OR I am deceived for believing the Awake and Watchtower publications are well researched and written?

Which of the deceit sir?

OkCornel:


I am deceived for not believing some JW doctrines OR I am deceived for believing the Awake and Watchtower publications are well researched and written?

Which of the deceit sir?

For believing the latter, sir.

poik:




Matthew 5:48- Be ye perfect, as your Father in heaven is perfect.
You cant just sit in one corner and say you wont find one person who is perfect. Why do you think the rapture will be for a select few?
God knows them that are His. If perfection were not possible, the Bible wouldnt have said that.

You're not getting Jesus' comments right Sir!

The perfection Jesus meant their is before we're given the visa to everlasting life NOT when we've yet to be judge during the 1,000 years reign of Christ!

That's why those who are going to rule with Jesus in heaven have what is called GRACE or UNDESERVED KINDNESS, because there are two stages before anyone can get the everlasting life visa to Paradise. Now Jehovah's Witnesses organization is only preparing the people who will enter into the judgment day! Revelations 20:11-14

It's after this that perfection will be gotten, many people will still fail that final test, that's why the Bible said the born again Christians who are going to rule with Jesus in heaven won't experience that final test! Revelations 20:6

To Jesus anyone still living now or who enters into God's judgment day is still like the dead because it's until Satan is destroyed before anyone living on earth could be pronounced as living! Revelations 20:5

So it's not now that we will become perfect but after the final test, during Christ's 1,000 years reign, only Jehovah's Witnesses organization will be teaching resurrected ones how the new earth will be and how we're going to live peaceably with one another. It's after the 1,000 years uninterrupted teaching about what Jesus laid down that everyone living on earth will be considered perfect. That's why we are telling you people that NONE of all these heaven heaven religion can help you to get all these facts!

For further explanation, copy all what i've typed and meet Jehovah's Witnesses in your area to expatiate more on this topic of PERFECTION!

God bless you!

Bondatt:


Hope you know that coming online to debate with people the watchtower calls apostates is wrongdoing on your part. I've been following you, if you know have nothing to fear, drop ur name and congregation, let's report to your elders your activity online and see if they will give you a pat on the back.

If you know that you have any conscience left, you should report yourself to the overseers To Help you.

You're a funny clown Sir!

Perhaps you don't know, let me tell you that this is faceless social media and everyone is typing what they know/feel about religion.

So expressing one's faith facelessly is no crime in my organization Sir!

If you want to join Jehovah's Witnesses, the door is still open and if you're not interested there is no problem. None of all the commentators on Nairaland will give you their personal information, so why should i give you mine!

What we're saying here is while all other religious groups are hiding undercover Jehovah's Witnesses are shining the light, that's why whatever any of Jehovah's Witnesses say here is not different from what you'll get from my brothers throughout the earth!

Instead of mentioning your religion when talking about premarital sex, you are talking about Mormons. That's the sign that your religion is hiding undercover!

OLAADEGBU:


For believing the latter, sir.

Ah, so those publications are complete falsehoods and fraud isn’t it?


Like 99% of its contents are falsehood right?

potent5:

I know you know Op very well to know he's not a JW. I am entitled to my opinion and you are entitled to yours. Witnesses are hypocrites, discriminators, teach half-truths, etc. What can you do about my opinion?

Ogbeni, I am not a Jehovah's Witness member jare

OkCornel:


I am deceived for not believing some JW doctrines OR I am deceived for believing the Awake and Watchtower publications are well researched and written?

Which of the deceit sir?

You're deceived because you didn't join them in castigating Jehovah's Witnesses even when you're seeing all of them trying to do so!

Never mind! Let them continue to sin against God's holy spirit.

If you condemn Jehovah's Witnesses for not knowing much about us, it's the same as sinning against the son of man. But after you've gotten some facts and you're now seeing the FRUIT these people are bearing throughout the earth, if you now go back to join those who haven't gotten any idea about what FRUIT we should observe to identify Christians, then such a person is sinning against that spirit producing those fruits.
It's like saying "that spirit is false!" when you know that what it's producing in the midst of these people is FINE {Matthew 7:15-20} and you're also aware that such fruit can't be found elsewhere! Mark 3:29 compared to Isaiah 5:20

God bless you!

OyinO:
All Christians are hypocrites. A Christian is someone who is not themselves on Sundays.

Lol
Rather, all humans are hypocrites

TemmyT002:


Ogbeni, I am not a Jehovah's Witness member jare

Nwokem, I don't care whether you belong to the Sat Kuru Maharaj sect or O. O. Olumba.

generationz:


Not his hands or her hands.

ofcourse it could well be "the river clap his hands or her hands"...poetic license and all of that. Now the Holy spirit is not a person! Its a power! A force!

OkCornel:


Ah, so those publications are complete falsehoods and fraud isn’t it?


Like 99% of its contents are falsehood right?

Will you be happy to drink a cup of water that has 1% poison?

potent5:

Nwokem, I don't care whether you belong to the Sat Kuru Maharaj sect or O. O. Olumba.

Na you sabi o
Why you con dey quote me na

potent5:

Nwokem, I don't care whether you belong to the Sat Kuru Maharaj sect or O. O. Olumba.

@bolded!

Well Jehovah's Witnesses do care!

That's why we keep coming to visit you, perhaps we can settle the differences in our beliefs or better still understand how to relate with you,
We can relate as family ~ if we happens to come from the same tribe or family.
We can relate as colleagues ~ if we do the same kind of business/trade.
We can relate as spiritual family ~ if we share the same faith.

We need to relate with our neighbors somehow, that's why we MUST care!

Maximus69:


You're a funny clown Sir!

Perhaps you don't know, let me tell you that this is faceless social media and everyone is typing what they know/feel about religion.

So expressing one's faith facelessly is no crime in my organization Sir!

If you want to join Jehovah's Witnesses, the door is still open and if you're not interested there is no problem. None of all the commentators on Nairaland will give you their personal information, so why should i give you mine!

What we're saying here is while all other religious groups are hiding undercover Jehovah's Witnesses are shining the light, that's why whatever any of Jehovah's Witnesses say here is not different from what you'll get from my brothers throughout the earth!

Instead of mentioning your religion when talking about premarital sex, you are talking about Mormons. That's the sign that your religion is hiding undercover!

I'm really laughing you .better seek spiritual help from the overseers, you are consuming apostate material.
I've simply told you the truth.
You are a typical hypocrite coming online to do exactly what your organization warns against.
Tomorrow you climb platform to read to people not to do exactly what you're doing.

I don't know how you can live with yourself.

God will expose you soon. Plus we'll soon expose you, watch your back.

Maximus69:


@bolded!

Well Jehovah's Witnesses do care!

That's why we keep coming to visit you, perhaps we can settle the differences in our beliefs or better still understand how to relate with you,
We can relate as family ~ if we happens to come from the same tribe or family.
We can relate as colleagues ~ if we do the same kind of business/trade.
We can relate as spiritual family ~ if we share the same faith.

We need to relate with our neighbors somehow, that's why we MUST care!

Mr Babatunde Aregbesola, you'll soon get a call from your congregation elders when they receive a letter from the branch.

Keep your arguments and rebuttals coming..

Bondatt:



Mr Babatunde Aregbesola, you'll soon get a call from your congregation elders when they receive a letter from the branch.

Keep your arguments and rebuttals coming..

Sorry Sir!

You missed the target.

Try harder!

TemmyT002:


Na you sabi o
Why you con dey quote me na

Just to let you know.