Barristter07:


Actually, when false teachings has getting root into a persons life, they lack all thinking ability, Have you forgotten that we are discussing that anyone in Gods image is a creation of God and automatically his children ? Sonship by creation.


Now before you quote verses up and down, Do you agree that all humans either male or female, good or evil, pagan or believer are all CHILDREN OF GOD ?

No all humans are not children of God.
Only those that are born of God are children of God.

solite3:
No all humans are not children of God.
Only those that are born of God are children of God.

You will agree with me that if all humans are children of God and in his image, it proves clearly that Been called son or daughter of God has to do with been Created by God.

The Bible said all humans are children of God, agree ?

Maximus69:


@bolded,

Jesus never said "people will be seeking for truth" because he is dispensing it through his follower whom he sent to go and meet people in their homes! Matthew 10:4-15

Jehovah's witnesses are doing just that, but if you think what they're carrying from one place to another is false. Then organize your own group and let them visit people IN THEIR HOMES just as Jesus sent out his own disciples to do.

Let's see how well organized they are going to handle the disciple making work with efficiency, persistence and tolerance. It's all we need to IDENTIFY those Jesus sent out to SEARCH for his LOST sheep! Matthew 10:6, 15:24 compared to 1Peter 3:15

So it's not here where nobody can SEE them {Matthew 5:14-16} nor learn through their activities how to imitate what Jesus taught them to do on "FACELESS" social media Sir!

We see in the book of Revelation that there are two thrones
that will be in heaven and later on the earth!
1. "To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me
on My throne , as I also overcame and sat down with
My Father on His throne . Revelation 3:21.
In the world made new, the throne of God and of the Lamb
will be the source of life!
1. And he showed me a pure river of water of life,
clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and
of the Lamb . Revelation 22:1.
There will be no curse and the throne of God and of the Lamb
will be in that place.
1. And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of
God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants
shall serve Him. Revelation 22:3.
There is no evidence at all that there is a third throne for the
Holy Spirit. There are only two thrones in that place not three.
The Holy Spirit is not even mentioned in these verses or
anywhere else in the world made new!
1. But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty
and the Lamb are its temple .
2. The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to
shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The
Lamb is its light . Revelation 21:22-23

blueAgent:



We see in the book of Revelation that there are two thrones
that will be in heaven and later on the earth!
1. "To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me
on My throne , as I also overcame and sat down with
My Father on His throne . Revelation 3:21.
In the world made new, the throne of God and of the Lamb
will be the source of life!
1. And he showed me a pure river of water of life,
clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and
of the Lamb . Revelation 22:1.
There will be no curse and the throne of God and of the Lamb
will be in that place.
1. And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of
God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants
shall serve Him. Revelation 22:3.
There is no evidence at all that there is a third throne for the
Holy Spirit. There are only two thrones in that place not three.
The Holy Spirit is not even mentioned in these verses or
anywhere else in the world made new!
1. But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty
and the Lamb are its temple .
2. The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to
shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The
Lamb is its light . Revelation 21:22-23

The point leading to the post you quoted is "Jesus never said people will leave their homes in search for truth"

Rather his true followers will take the TRUTH to people IN THEIR HOMES! Matthew 10:11-15
Throughout the earth today, people know Jehovah's witnesses for this special work. We go (uninvited) to pay a visit on our neighbors, greet them respectfully, introduce ourselves and the reason for our visit.

There is no other better way to preach God's word than that, because we're not to force our message on people. We're to ask for their permission before divulging what we have in mind. NOT indiscriminately insulting, cursing or abusing them unreasonably.

Most misinformed Churchgoers think it's proper to start making noise in the bus or in public places, but they failed to realise that "they are cursing people UNKNOWINGLY!

For instance, they tell people who already have their own faith "you will end up in hellfire if you've not accepted bla bla bla"
If translated in plain words it means "it will not be well with you, if you don't agree with me one religious ground" already you assume you're on a safer side while the other person who could be either from another religion feels the same way. So why cursing him/her simply because your faith differs?

That's why Jesus' preaching style differs totally from others prior to him, HE WILL NOT MAKE A NOISE IN PUBLIC PLACES UNLESS YOU'RE WILLING TO LISTEN TO HIM, HE VISIT PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES AND ADMONISHED HIS FOLLOWERS TO DO THE SAME! Matthew 12:19

So it's either you join JWs if you want to practice true Christianity or form your own better performing group, for everyone can SEE how things ought to be done in TRUE Christianity!

Barristter07:


You will agree with me that if all humans are children of God and in his image, it proves clearly that Been called son or daughter of God has to do with been Created by God.

The Bible said all humans are children of God, agree ?

Pls where did the bible say all humans are children of God?
My question which you avoided, If all humans are sons of God, why did do people still need to be sons of God?
Not every body is born of God been created by God is dufferent from being born of God.

solite3:
Pls where did the bible say all humans are children of God?
My question which you avoided, If all humans are sons of God, why did do people still need to be sons of God?
Not every body is born of God been created by God is dufferent from being born of God.

You can read the Bible book of Luke 3:38

Perhaps you're from another blood apart from Adam, but if not then know today that anyone born through Adam's blood are children of Adam and in turn children of Adam's father!

As for the need to become sons of God, that's another topic on it's own. But the hint is that Adam (God's first born son in the flesh) became a sinner and sinners can't have God's blessing to live forever, so we need a new father that will link us back to our rightful grand father.

Well that's the task Jesus finished the day he died on the torture stake! John 19:30

For your information Jesus is now a new father for all faithful humans who are hoping to reconcile back to our grand father and live forever. John 3:16
That's why he is called the EVERLASTING FATHER! {Isaiah 9:6} He is unlike Adam (our biological father) who is dead now and DEAD FOREVER! Genesis 3:19

Maximus69:


You can read the Bible book of Luke 3:38

Perhaps you're from another blood apart from Adam, but if not then know today that anyone born through Adam's blood are children of Adam and in turn children of Adam's father!

It does not follow. Adam did not get his sonship from God by blood so his children cannot become children of God by natural birth.

As for the need to become sons of God, that's another topic on it's own. But the hint is that Adam (God's first born son in the flesh) became a sinner and sinners can't have God's blessing to live forever, so we need a new father that will link us back to our rightful grand father.

so if the humans are already sons of God why do they need to become sons again?




Cc Barrister

solite3:


(1)It does not follow. Adam did not get his sonship from God by blood so his children cannot become children of God by natural birth.

(2) so if the humans are already sons of God why do they need to become sons again?
Cc Barrister

(1)If it does not follow then how come God had children? And from where are those called his sons?Genesis 6:1, Job 1:6

All humans are children of God through Adam!
Just as all faithful humans are Children of God through faith in Christ Jesus!

That's what Paul meant when he wrote "If you are a Jew by birth people will call you Abraham's offspring but God will ONLY accept you as Abraham's offspring through FAITH in Christ Jesus NOT by BLOOD!"

(2)They are God's sons but REBELLIOUS and alienated from him just like Adam (God's first born son in the flesh) that's why he disowned them! Deuteronomy 32:5

But if we're to view matters the way God views it, all souls belongs to God; meaning he is the one responsible for our existence (our father)! Psalms 127:3

But there are humans who are going to spend their eternity in heaven, this ones must become sons of God not just like Adam but they must become spirit persons, that's what Jesus meant by "BORN AGAIN"! John 3:3

Maximus69:


(1)If it does not follow then how come God had children? And from where are those called his sons?Genesis 6:1, Job 1:6

this brings back my former position, that to be a son of God means to have a special relationship with God or to bear his image or to have his similitude not simply that they were created by God afterall animals were also created by God but are never called sons of God.


All humans are children of God through Adam!
Just as all faithful humans are Children of God through faith in Christ Jesus!

That's what Paul meant when he wrote "If you are a Jew by birth people will call you Abraham's offspring but God will ONLY accept you as Abraham's offspring through FAITH in Christ Jesus NOT by BLOOD!"

There you go, so before to be a son of Abraham does not necessarily mean to be born by Abraham right? The question is if all humans are already sons of God why is there need to make them sons again? You are not answering the question.

(2)They are God's sons but REBELLIOUS and alienated from him just like Adam (God's first born son in the flesh) that's why he disowned them! Deuteronomy 32:5

The children of israel were called sons of God because of the relationship God had with them not because of Adam.

But if we're to view matters the way God views it, all souls belongs to God; meaning he is the one responsible for our existence (our father)! Psalms 127:3

yes all soul belong to God both that of the animals but that does not automatically mean all are sons of God. All humans would have been sons of God through Adam but sin broke that relationship. Infact sometimes children of God and sons of God has different meaning in the bible. All humans are children of God because they were created in God's image but lost that right of been a son of God through Adam which Jesus came to restore.

But there are humans who are going to spend their eternity in heaven, this ones must become sons of God not just like Adam but they must become spirit persons, that's what Jesus meant by "BORN AGAIN"! John 3:3

Jesus never said only few humans are going to spend eternity in heaven. Jesus never said only few people need to be bornagain but rather without been bornagain nobody can see the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God is not just heaven but will extend to this earth and in the far future lead to the creation of the new heaven and the new earth at the right time and without you been bornagain you will not see it.
Being bornagain has nothing to do with you becoming a Spirit but rather to be a new creature by believing that Jesus is your saviour who died and reaurrected from the grave.

solite3:
this brings back my former position, that to be a son of God means to have a special relationship with God or to bear his image or to have his similitude not simply that they were created by God afterall animals were also created by God but are never called sons of God.


All humans are children of God through Adam!
Just as all faithful humans are Children of God through faith in Christ Jesus!

There you go, so before to be a son of Abraham does not necessarily mean to be born by Abraham right? The question is if all humans are already sons of God why is there need to make them sons again? You are not answering the question.

The children of israel were called sons of God because of the relationship God had with them not because of Adam.

yes all soul belong to God both that of the animals but that does not automatically mean all are sons of God. All humans would have been sons of God through Adam but sin broke that relationship. Infact sometimes children of God and sons of God has different meaning in the bible. All humans are children of God because they were created in God's image but lost that right of been a son of God through Adam which Jesus came to restore.

Jesus never said only few humans are going to spend eternity in heaven. Jesus never said only few people need to be bornagain but rather without been bornagain nobody can see the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God is not just heaven but will extend to this earth and in the far future lead to the creation of the new heaven and the new earth at the right time and without you been bornagain you will not see it.
Being bornagain has nothing to do with you becoming a Spirit but rather to be a new creature by believing that Jesus is your saviour who died and reaurrected from the grave.

DEFINITION versus DEFINITION!

Well to your question, becoming sons of God again has been answered by the illustration of the prodigal son!

He was originally the son of his father, yet he came and said "due to what i've done, i don't worth been called your son anymore" {Luke 15:18-19} but listen to what the father said "my son was dead and now he's alive again" {Luke 15:32}

So humans are God's children through Adam but sin separated us from our heavenly father, but whether sinner or not God does not desire any to perish because he is our father! 1Timothy 2:4 compared to Luke 12:7

All he's asking is to return to him just like the prodigal son and we'll retain our position as his sons once again.

As for the born again, please let's drop that one for now until some other time because it's a hard nut! One thing i just want us to bare in mind is what Jesus said about them;
They must be born by water(water baptism) and by spirit (baptism by spirit) John 3:5-8
John (baptist) made reference to this when he was talking to the Jews about Jesus, and it's clear that such has never happened before {Matthew 3:11} that's why Jesus could say John(baptist) himself is not one of them because John was never baptized with God's holy spirit! Matthew 11:11

So it's not easy to resolve that now since you've been taught another definition of born again!

Maximus69:


DEFINITION versus DEFINITION!

Well to your question, becoming sons of God again has been answered by the illustration of the prodigal son!

He was originally the son of his father, yet he came and said "due to what i've done, i don't worth been called your son anymore" {Luke 15:18-19} but listen to what the father said "my son was dead and now he's alive again" {Luke 15:32}

So humans are God's children through Adam but sin separated us from our heavenly father, but whether sinner or not God does not desire any to perish because he is our father! 1Timothy 2:4 compared to Luke 12:7

All he's asking is to return to him just like the prodigal son and we'll retain our position as his sons once again.

As for the born again, please let's drop that one for now until some other time because it's a hard nut! One thing i just want us to bare in mind is what Jesus said about them;
They must be born by water(water baptism) and by spirit (baptism by spirit) John 3:5-8
John (baptist) made reference to this when he was talking to the Jews about Jesus, and it's clear that such has never happened before {Matthew 3:11} that's why Jesus could say John(baptist) himself is not one of them because John was never baptized with God's holy spirit! Matthew 11:11

So it's not easy to resolve that now since you've been taught another definition of born again!

you avoided the questions as usual.
Hosea 1:10
Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:


The above verses proved that not everyone are called sons of God only to those God gives the right to.
The Israelites were given the right to be sons of God but blew it away due to unbelief and backsliding but God gave the right to Gentiles whi by right are no sons of God.
Jesus just told us that becoming a Son of God is right not because one is created by God.
There is no such thing as my definition of being bornagain.

John 3:3, 5-8 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Being born again, born of the spirit, born of God, mean the same thing.
The condition to be in the kingdom of God is to be reborn anew.
The water refers to the word of God and the Spirit is the holy spirit given to all who obey the word of God.
So my friend to be born agin has one meaning. Consider this, that if you are not bornagain you cant see the kingdom of God. So which kingdom are you expecting?

solite3:
you avoided the questions as usual.
Hosea 1:10
Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:


The above verses proved that not everyone are called sons of God only to those God gives the right to.
The Israelites were given the right to be sons of God but blew it away due to unbelief and backsliding but God gave the right to Gentiles whi by right are no sons of God.
Jesus just told us that becoming a Son of God is right not because one is created by God.
There is no such thing as my definition of being bornagain.

John 3:3, 5-8 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Being born again, born of the spirit, born of God, mean the same thing.
The condition to be in the kingdom of God is to be reborn anew.
The water refers to the word of God and the Spirit is the holy spirit given to all who obey the word of God.
So my friend to be born agin has one meaning. Consider this, that if you are not bornagain you cant see the kingdom of God. So which kingdom are you expecting?

Your question @ bolded! What we are expecting!Jesus asked us to continue praying for God's kingdom to come {Matthew 6:10 compared to Daniel 2:44}

Born again (my own definition) limited number of Christians (to be chosen by God) will become spirit persons and rule with Jesus in heaven {Matthew 5:3 compared to John 14:6}
While countless obedient humans will live forever here on earth! Matthew 5:5 compared to Psalm 37:9-11,29}

But all these is not a matter to continue arguing over and over again, you've gotten your own definition and i've gotten mine as well.

Both your definition and mine could be likened to THEORIES but what matters is the PRACTICAL~APPLICATION of each person's definition so that all eyes can SEE which definition will work out what is BENEFICIAL! Philippians 4:8

Simple logic~

THEORIES
PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS and
BENEFITS

So let honest hearted and sincere observers SEE which of the THEORIES will yield the expected FRUIT. Jesus said "by their FRUIT you will know them" according to God's only begotten son, a good tree will not bear rotten fruit neither will a bad tree bear fine fruit, so Jesus cleared all these with just that illustration! Matthew 7:15-20

Jesus said a time will come when false religious groups will emerge and all of them will be claiming Christians, but when the end time is close [b]there will be a separation of the true Christian group so that people will be gathered into groups and the real Christian group will stand out" Matthew 13:24-30

So keep your definition and i'll keep mine!

Maximus69:


The point leading to the post you quoted is "Jesus never said people will leave their homes in search for truth"

Rather his true followers will take the TRUTH to people IN THEIR HOMES! Matthew 10:11-15
Throughout the earth today, people know Jehovah's witnesses for this special work. We go (uninvited) to pay a visit on our neighbors, greet them respectfully, introduce ourselves and the reason for our visit.

There is no other better way to preach God's word than that, because we're not to force our message on people. We're to ask for their permission before divulging what we have in mind. NOT indiscriminately insulting, cursing or abusing them unreasonably.

Most misinformed Churchgoers think it's proper to start making noise in the bus or in public places, but they failed to realise that "they are cursing people UNKNOWINGLY!

For instance, they tell people who already have their own faith "you will end up in hellfire if you've not accepted bla bla bla"
If translated in plain words it means "it will not be well with you, if you don't agree with me one religious ground" already you assume you're on a safer side while the other person who could be either from another religion feels the same way. So why cursing him/her simply because your faith differs?

That's why Jesus' preaching style differs totally from others prior to him, HE WILL NOT MAKE A NOISE IN PUBLIC PLACES UNLESS YOU'RE WILLING TO LISTEN TO HIM, HE VISIT PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES AND ADMONISHED HIS FOLLOWERS TO DO THE SAME! Matthew 12:19

So it's either you join JWs if you want to practice true Christianity or form your own better performing group, for everyone can SEE how things ought to be done in TRUE Christianity!

You still don't get it, what is the point of going house to house to preach to people, when what you are preaching is contrary to the word of God?

Maximus69:


Your question @ bolded! What we are expecting!Jesus asked us to continue praying for God's kingdom to come {Matthew 6:10 compared to Daniel 2:44}

Are you expecting what you know you are not part of?

Born again (my own definition) limited number of Christians (to be chosen by God) will become spirit persons and rule with Jesus in heaven {Matthew 5:3 compared to John 14:6}
While countless obedient humans will live forever here on earth! Matthew 5:5 compared to Psalm 37:9-11,29}

everybody has their version of truth but truth is only one. Jesus never mentioned spirit persons.
You should be concerned knowing that you cant be part of God's kingdom because you are not born again. In fact if you are not born again you automatically becomes a child of the devil and belongs to where he will be ie HELL FIRE!

But all these is not a matter to continue arguing over and over again, you've gotten your own definition and i've gotten mine as well.

Both your definition and mine could be likened to THEORIES but what matters is the PRACTICAL~APPLICATION of each person's definition so that all eyes can SEE which definition will work out what is BENEFICIAL! Philippians 4:8

Simple logic~

THEORIES
PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS and
BENEFITS

So let honest hearted and sincere observers SEE which of the THEORIES will yield the expected FRUIT. Jesus said "by their FRUIT you will know them" according to God's only begotten son, a good tree will not bear rotten fruit neither will a bad tree bear fine fruit, so Jesus cleared all these with just that illustration! Matthew 7:15-20

Jesus said a time will come when false religious groups will emerge and all of them will be claiming Christians, but when the end time is close [b]there will be a separation of the true Christian group so that people will be gathered into groups and the real Christian group will stand out" Matthew 13:24-30

So keep your definition and i'll keep mine!

you see God's word as theories? Its so unfortunate, when you stand before God on judgment day you will realise it God's words are not theories but truth. May God open your eyes

solite3:
Are you expecting what you know you are not part of?

everybody has their version of truth but truth is only one. Jesus never mentioned spirit persons.
You should be concerned knowing that you cant be part of God's kingdom because you are not born again. In fact if you are not born again you automatically becomes a child of the devil and belongs to where he will be ie HELL FIRE!

you see God's word as theories? Its so unfortunate, when you stand before God on judgment day you will realise it God's words are not theories but truth. May God open your eyes

God's word is the Bible Sir, it has no problems.

It's your DEFINITION versus mine that's THEORIES!

Solite3

solite3:
Pls where did the bible say all humans are children of God?

Act 17:28,29, Paul refer to all humans including the pagans of anthens as Children of God

" For by him we [ all humans ] have LIFE and move and exist, even as some of your own poets have said, ' FOR WE ARE ALSO HIS CHILDREN , Therefore, ... We [all humans ] are the children of God "


Emphasis on the underlined .

My question which you avoided, If all humans are sons of God, why did do people still need to be sons of God?

Go back to that Act, you need to differentiate between God giving a person life which makes him or her a Child/son/daughter. And Adoption as sons .

Not every body is born of God been created by God is dufferent from being born of God.

Out of context, the main point here is , Anyone God gives LIFE by Creation is his Child. Is Jesus his child ?

Barrister

Barristter07:
Solite3



Act 17:28,29, Paul refer to all humans including the pagans of anthens as Children of God

" For by him we [ all humans ] have LIFE and move and exist, even as some of your own poets have said, ' FOR WE ARE ALSO HIS CHILDREN , Therefore, ... We [all humans ] are the children of God "


Emphasis on the underlined .

you clearly cannot see the difference between being the offspring of God and being a child of God.

Acts 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.





Barrister

Go back to that Act, you need to differentiate between God giving a person life which makes him or her a Child/son/daughter. And Adoption as sons .



Out of context, the main point here is , Anyone God gives LIFE by Creation is his Child. Is Jesus his child ?

@ bolded do you Adopt someone who is already your child? If all humans are children of God already why does God need to adopt his children to become his children again?
all humans are offspring of God but not all humans are sons of God.
the word offspring is used to denote natural origin just like plants animals etc
but being a Son or child of God is base on relationship and character.

If God has to adopt humans to becone his children what does that tell you? that being a son of God is not by virtue of being created by God but by right which only God can give.
Jesus is called the only begotten Son of God not because he was created (just like what you affirmed when you said God has to adopt humans) but because his relationship with the father from eternity.

John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Jesus was at the bosom of The father meaning he had a special relationship with the father like a father and a begotten Son.

solite3:
Barrister you clearly cannot see the difference between being the offspring of God and being a child of God.

Acts 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.





Barrister

@ bolded do you Adopt someone who is already your child? If all humans are children of God already why does God need to adopt his children to become his children again?
all humans are offspring of God but not all humans are sons of God.
the word offspring is used to denote natural origin just like plants animals etc
but being a Son or child of God is base on relationship and character.

If God has to adopt humans to becone his children what does that tell you? that being a son of God is not by virtue of being created by God but by right which only God can give.
Jesus is called the only begotten Son of God not because he was created (just like what you affirmed when you said God has to adopt humans) but because his relationship with the father from eternity.

John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Jesus was at the bosom of The father meaning he had a special relationship with the father like a father and a begotten Son.

Define Offspring ?

solite3:



John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Jesus was at the bosom of The father meaning he had a special relationship with the father like a father and a begotten Son.

John1:18. 5:37 says "no man hath seen God at any time" in the flesh, Solite3, do you agree?

"...The only begotten Son,which is in the bosom of the Father in heaven". In other words, Jesus is God's son in heaven in the spiritual realm, Solite3, do you agree? Rev 3:5,12.

Barristter07:

Define Offspring ?

this is Webster's definition of offspring
: the product of the reproductive processes of an animal or plant : YOUNG , PROGENY

Janosky:


John1:18. 5:37 says "no man hath seen God at any time" in the flesh, Solite3, do you agree?

"...The only begotten Son,which is in the bosom of the Father in heaven". In other words, Jesus is God's son in heaven in the spiritual realm, Solite3, do you agree? Rev 3:5,12.

you mixing it up,
John 1vv18 said no one has seen God but the only begotten son has declared him.
the passage means that God who has never being seen before has being manifested or declared by Jesus Christ who is God himself.

John 5vv37 talks about the shape or the voice of the father that no man has heard or seen his shape. Remember Jesus only came in human form so no one knows how the shape is or how the voice of God sounds except that Jesus is the manifestation of it in the limited human form.
No one has seen the father or heard the father.

solite3:
this is Webster's definition of offspring

: the product of the reproductive processes of an animal or plant :
YOUNG , PROGENY

And God is neither an animal or plant . So what does Websters give as Definition 1b of offspring ?

Am waiting, I have the websters Dictionary here already.

Barristter07:




And God is neither an animal or plant . So what does Websters give as Definition 1b of offspring ?

Am waiting, I have the websters Dictionary here already.

what is the 1b?

solite3:
what is the 1b?

Go to webster Dictionary and Bring it here. ....

Barristter07:


Go to webster Dictionary and Bring it here. ....

I m done with you barrister, you can go back to my previous post reread as much as you can until it become more clearer to you.

solite3:
I m done with you barrister, you can go back to my previous post reread as much as you can until it become more clearer to you.

U can't eat your cake and have it . offspring according to Websters dictionary means a " CHILD " . Definition 1b.

Do you agree ?

Barristter07:


U can't eat your cake and have it . offspring according to Websters dictionary means a " CHILD " . Definition 1b.

Do you agree ?

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Barristter07:

U can't eat your cake and have it . offspring according to Websters dictionary means a " CHILD " . Definition 1b.
Do you agree ?

They feel like preaching and teaching with efficacy like Jehovah's Witnesses, but they detests the simplicity of our method.

Each one of them wants to stand alone and become fruitful, whereas Jesus told his followers to remain as a fold! John 10:16 compared to 17:20-23

Solite thinks he is speaking God's word yet there is no group to present as those whom his teachings is WORKING what's profitable IN THEIR MIDST! James 2:18-26

To solite, Jehovah's Witnesses aren't preaching God's word, even when the whole world can SEE{Matthew 5:14-16} that the organization is united in LOVE, JOY and PEACE! Galatians 5:22-23

Crookedness of their hearts is killing them slowly and they're not aware of it, it's just a pity!

solite3:
you mixing it up,
John 1vv18 said no one has seen God but the only begotten son has declared him.
the passage means that God who has never being seen before has being manifested or declared by Jesus Christ who is God himself.

John 5vv37 talks about the shape or the voice of the father that no man has heard or seen his shape. Remember Jesus only came in human form so no one knows how the shape is or how the voice of God sounds except that Jesus is the manifestation of it in the limited human form.
No one has seen the father or heard the father.

https://www.nairaland.com/5469121/what-trinity-biblical-evidence

"Since the Father sent the Son into the world (John 3:16), the Father is not the same person as the son."


You mean the God who was never seen at anytime manifested himself (appeared) on earth.
Solite3 CONTRADICTION, lying against Jesus Christ.

Lying FRAUD solite3, who did Jesus Christ call his God in heaven and earth? John20:17. Rev 3:5,12.
John5:37,38 Jesus says :
"And the Father who sent Me has Himself testified about Me. You
have never heard His voice nor seen His
form, 38 nor does His word abide in you,
because you do not believe the One He sent."
…
" God's word does NOT abide in you,"
Trinity fry beans with your sense.

solite3:

Visit this thread

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The TRINITY is your problem!

It's a demonic teaching, that's why it will never yield any positive fruit! Matthew 7:16-18

You can join others in calling JWs a cult group after all Jesus was accused of being the head of cultists! Matthew 10:25 compared to Mark 3:22

Jesus said "WISDOM is justified by her children" Luke 7:35

So if you and your folks are speaking evil of God's people, the good fruit Jehovah's Witnesses are bearing globally speaks for itself! 1Peter 2:12

solite3:

Visit this thread

https://www.nairaland.com/5499874/all-gods-children#83572117

From that link :

" Acts 17:28-29 , for example, says that all men are "God's children," specifically in that God "made the world and all things in it" ( Acts 17:24 ) "

What God create , is his Child agree ?

Maximus69:


The TRINITY is your problem!

It's a demonic teaching, that's why it will never yield any positive fruit! Matthew 7:16-18

You can join others in calling JWs a cult group after all Jesus was accused of being the head of cultists! Matthew 10:25 compared to Mark 3:22

Jesus said "WISDOM is justified by her children" Luke 7:35

So if you and your folks are speaking evil of God's people, the good fruit Jehovah's Witnesses are bearing globally speaks for itself! 1Peter 2:12

™paranoid false jw mad max

hey most duh one
i see the foul language you false jw's use
i see how puffed up you are
i see how meek you are not

but keep on trying to convince yourself's of your good fruits, and that you are God's people, laugh

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.