blueAgent:


John 1:3 contains two direct statements that tell us that it
was the preexistent Jesus who created all things. “All things
were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made
that was made.” Notice that John is not content to say only
that all things were made through Him, but John adds the fact
that “without Him nothing was made.”
Paul confirms exactly what John wrote: “For by Him all things
were created.” Paul goes on to make sure that we understand
what he means by all things—”that are in heaven and that are
on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or
principalities or powers. All things were created through Him
and for Him” (Colossians 1:16).
Since Jesus created all things, He could not have been one of
the “created things.” Paul then adds, so there can be no
mistake, “He is before all things, and in him all things hold
together” (Colossians 1:17 , NIV).
Dr. Norman Geisler comments: “The context of this passage
makes it clear that there are no exceptions; Christ is the
Creator of all things including angels and everything visible or
invisible. Nowhere is this made more clear that Christ is not a
creature—angelic or otherwise—than in the relation of angels
to Him. Since Christ could not be both the Creator of
everything and at the same time a creature Himself, it is
necessary to conclude that He is Himself the uncreated
Creator of all creation” ( Christian Apologetics, 1988, p. 338).
He adds a footnote: “In view of the clear teaching that Christ
is Creator and not a creature, the Arian misinterpretations of
phrases like Christ is ‘firstborn’ (Colossians 1:15 ) or ‘beginning
of creation’ (Revelation 3:14) are wrong. Christ is ‘firstborn’ in
the sense of being the unique (not created) Son of God. Christ
is first over creation, not first in it” (ibid.).
Micah 5:2 stated that the messianic King to come was “from
everlasting.” Jesus had appeared in His divine life before His
human birth as the priest-king Melchizedek (see Hebrews 7),
“having neither beginning of days nor end of life” (Micah 5:3).

Bros,from Genesis to Revelation, anywhere you see this word "BORN" , that's clear proof the Subject or Individual ORIGINATED from a Superior Source.
The beginning of pangs of birth pains DOESN'T mean the Source of birth pains.
Did Jesus Christ creat his Father?
In the Oldest Greek MSS, the words: '"the head over " NEVER exists in Colossians 1:15.
It was inserted by Bible Translators to support the Trinity.

"The firstborn of every creature" (KJV) is too sweet and accurate ! Gbam !!!!
The KJV refutes Dr Geisler's false claims.

Dr Norman Geissler is intellectually dishonest !
BlueAgent, you have staunchly said Jesus Christ is the son of God,not Trinity.
Now,you are bringing a Trinitarian claim to the table. .
My people say "Bros, urinate for one place make eee foam."

blueAgent:




You mean that God so loved the World that he gave us an Angel posing as a son.


1. "For God so loved the world that He gave His only
begotten Son , that whoever believes in Him should not
perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16.

Check your Bible from Genesis to Revelation,which spiritual beings has God always sent from heaven to fulfill his assignments on earth?
Who are the sons of God in heaven?
Who is designated to lead other sons of God to put an end to wickedness on earth?2thess1:7-9.

Janosky:

Bros,from Genesis to Revelation, anywhere you see this word "BORN" , that's clear proof the Subject or Individual ORIGINATED from a Superior Source.
The beginning of pangs of birth pains DOESN'T mean the Source of birth pains.
Did Jesus Christ creat his Father?
In the Oldest Greek MSS, the words: '"the head over " NEVER exists in Colossians 1:15.
It was inserted by Bible Translators to support the Trinity.

"The firstborn of every creature" (KJV) is too sweet and accurate ! Gbam !!!!
The KJV refutes Dr Geisler's false claims.

Dr Norman Geissler is intellectually dishonest !
BlueAgent, you have staunchly said Jesus Christ is the son of God,not Trinity.
Now,you are bringing a Trinitarian claim to the table. .
My people say "Bros, urinate for one place make eee foam."

Where is the trinitarians claim? the Bible is clear on this matter that God is the father of Jesus who beget him and God through Jesus created all things.
We are made to know that all things where created by Jesus and without him nothing was ever created.

It is your responsibility to prove to us how Jesus is a created being and yet God's word tells us that all power and principalities were made by Jesus and without him no power or principalities was made.

Stop quoting Dr Geisler's his word does not count if it contradicts God's word.

Janosky:

Bros,from Genesis to Revelation, anywhere you see this word "BORN" , that's clear proof the Subject or Individual ORIGINATED from a Superior Source.
The beginning of pangs of birth pains DOESN'T mean the Source of birth pains.
Did Jesus Christ creat his Father?
In the Oldest Greek MSS, the words: '"the head over " NEVER exists in Colossians 1:15.
It was inserted by Bible Translators to support the Trinity.

"The firstborn of every creature" (KJV) is too sweet and accurate ! Gbam !!!!
The KJV refutes Dr Geisler's false claims.

Dr Norman Geissler is intellectually dishonest !
BlueAgent, you have staunchly said Jesus Christ is the son of God,not Trinity.
Now,you are bringing a Trinitarian claim to the table. .
My people say "Bros, urinate for one place make eee foam."

You like to digress from the arguments at stake, instead answering questions with straight answers you are looking for loop holes were there are none

Janosky:

Note my words:
" It's unique privilege to be firstborn or only begotten. It's never by choice."

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 3439 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
monogenhvß from (3441) and (1096)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Monogenes 4:737,606
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
mon-og-en-ace' Adjective
Definition
single of its kind, only
used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God
King James Word Usage - Total: 9
only begotten 6, only 2, only child 1"

*** (2).
What is the form/nature of everyone dwelling in heaven?
What is the form/nature of everyone dwelling on earth?
Your answer solves the popular notorious twisting of Philippians 2:6,7

So we're is it written that First means to be begotton in the dictionary meaning?

blueAgent:



So we're is it written that First means to be begotton in the dictionary meaning?

*** Hebrews 11:17.
New International Version
By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son,

New Living Translation
It was by faith that Abraham offered Isaac as a sacrifice when God was testing him. Abraham, who had received God’s promises, was ready to sacrifice his only son, Isaac,

English Standard Version
By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was in the act of offering up his only son,

Berean Study Bible
By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac on the altar. He who had received the promises was ready to offer his one and only son,

Berean Literal Bible
By faith Abraham, being tested, has offered up Isaac. Even the one having received the promises was offering up his only begotten son,

New American Standard Bible
By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was offering up his only begotten son;

New King James Version
By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

King James Bible
By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

Christian Standard Bible
By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac. He received the promises and yet he was offering his one
and only son,"

Bros, how many times did KJV translate " monogenes " ?
Abeg,count am and check am again...

Barristter07:

The real question remains: ALL HUMANS that ever walk the earth are called children of God irrespective of their deeds or traits . In what sense are they all children ?
Pagans and sinners are called Children of God, does that mean they derive their trait from God ?

Are all humans Sons of God?

Janosky:


*** Hebrews 11:17.
New International Version
By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son,

New Living Translation
It was by faith that Abraham offered Isaac as a sacrifice when God was testing him. Abraham, who had received God’s promises, was ready to sacrifice his only son, Isaac,

English Standard Version
By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was in the act of offering up his only son,

Berean Study Bible
By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac on the altar. He who had received the promises was ready to offer his one and only son,

Berean Literal Bible
By faith Abraham, being tested, has offered up Isaac. Even the one having received the promises was offering up his only begotten son,

New American Standard Bible
By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was offering up his only begotten son;

New King James Version
By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

King James Bible
By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

Christian Standard Bible
By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac. He received the promises and yet he was offering his one
and only son,"

Bros, how many times did KJV translate " monogenesis ?
Abeg,count am and check am again...

You keep contractdicting yourself none of this Bible verses means what you intend it to mean if nothing else they expose your lie that Begotten means firsts.
E.g
By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a
sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to
sacrifice his one and only son,

But we know that Isaac was
not the first son of Abraham, it was Ishmael who was the first son of Abraham.

Rather than mean the First Son the word 'Begotten' means Isaac was the legitimate official Son of Abraham.

In that same vain Jesus is the legitimate official unique special and beloved Son of God.

Just like Isaac was recognized as Abraham's only begotten son despite him having Ishmael because Isaac was a child of convenant who was Begotten by Abraham.

So also Jesus is recognized as the only Begotten Son of God despite God having trillions of Angels and Man that are also called Sons of God.

It grieved Abraham to scarifice his Son to God, so also it grieved the heart of God to give his only Begotten son as a scarifice for humanity.



1. In this the love of God was manifested toward us,
that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world,
that we might live through Him. 1 John 4:9

blueAgent:



You keep contractdicting yourself none of this Bible verses means what you intend it to mean if nothing else they expose your lie that Begotten means firsts.
E.g
By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a
sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to
sacrifice his one and only son,

But we know that Isaac was
not the first son of Abraham, it was Ishmael who was the first son of Abraham.

Rather than mean the First Son the word 'Begotten' means Isaac was the legitimate official Son of Abraham.

In that same vain Jesus is the legitimate official unique special and beloved Son of God.

Just like Isaac was recognized as Abraham's only begotten son despite him having Ishmael because Isaac was a child of convenant who was Begotten by Abraham.

So also Jesus is recognized as the only Begotten Son of God despite God having trillions of Angels and Man that are also called Sons of God.

It grieved Abraham to scarifice his Son to God, so also it grieved the heart of God to give his only Begotten son as a scarifice for humanity.

Isaac is the FIRST legitimately born son of his Father Abraham. He was granted the privilege that other children of Abraham NEVER had.
Greek monogenes, the only child is also the FIRST born of his parents.
The only begotten son is the FIRST child among his Father's children to be granted the privilege that wasn't given to other children of his Father.
Psalms 89:20,27. Hebrews 2:7. 1:5,6.
KJV usage of "monogenes" is FAULTLESS.
Bros,no dull yourself.

" ****Monogenes 4:737,606****"
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
mon-og-en-ace' Adjective
Definition
single of its kind, only
used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God
King James Word Usage - Total: 9
only begotten 6, only 2, only child 1"

Janosky:

Johnw FRAUD,why you dey disgrace yourself?
Trinity scam removed your brain...
Johnw FRAUD, Who made the dust of the ground?

™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

laughing, God made the dust, He didn''t bring it out of Himself
like He did wisdom - the Word who is the Spirit of God
God is a Spirit, not dust

Janosky:
**** Vocabulary.com Dictionary ***
come forth

Definitions of
come forth
1
* COME OUT OF
Synonyms:
Come out, egress, emerge, go forth, issue

* Happen or occur as a result of something
Synonyms:
emerge
Types:

come forth or begin from a state of latency
Type of:
arise, develop, grow, ORIGINATE, rise, spring up, uprise
COME INTO EXISTENCE ; take on form or shape

know nothing, i know what come forth - out of means, it means come out of God in reference to the Word
and it could mean created in reference to creation, however nothing was created without the word, john 1:3 +
you use dictionary and man's words against God's word, making God a liar, oh evil Janosky/OneJ

Janosky:
**. *** Johnw FRAUD , the gene of falsehood and FRAUD theorem was embedded in your blood before you COME FORTH from the womb.
[quote author=Janosky]
Igbo man go say "Trinity FRAUD gbuo gi dia !!!!!"

The Trinity scam removed your sense & scrubbed your brain with POO.
*Spits*

laughing, poor tormented confused son of satan, the truth hurts you

johnw47:



™ lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

"come out of-come forth from God" is not the same as "created by God"

Pro 8:22  The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 

God, of course posessed Wisdom-the Word-Jesus Christ, He didn't create Him, as john also shows

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


adam didn't come out of-come forth from Father God, God(Father and the Word) made adam from the dust of the ground

Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Gen_2:7  And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,

you way heap big fraud you

Janosky:

Isaac is the FIRST legitimately born son of his Father Abraham. He was granted the privilege that other children of Abraham NEVER had.
Greek monogenes, the only child is also the FIRST born of his parents.
The only begotten son is the FIRST child among his Father's children to be granted the privilege that wasn't given to other children of his Father.
Psalms 89:20,27. Hebrews 2:7. 1:5,6.
KJV usage of "monogenes" is FAULTLESS.
Bros,no dull yourself.

" ****Monogenes 4:737,606****"
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
mon-og-en-ace' Adjective
Definition
single of its kind, only
used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God
King James Word Usage - Total: 9
only begotten 6, only 2, only child 1"

1. "In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not
say to you that I shall pray the Father for you;
2. "for the Father Himself loves you, because you have
loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from
God .
3. "I came forth from the Father and have come into
the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the
Father." John 16:26-28.

You can never hid the truth for too long.

The words came forth and came out are not idioms

The phrase "came forth " is translated from the Greek word:
("exerchomai " Strongs # 1831) which
means to "issued forth " or to have " issued from". Jesus issued
forth from the Father. In the next verse, "proceeded forth " also
comes from the same Greek word.
The next Scripture is very interesting. In verse 41, the leaders
decided to push their point by saying that they were not
illegitimate like Jesus was. Thus they were saying Jesus was
Illegitimate!
In response, Jesus expanded His message by telling them
where He actually came from. So, Jesus told them that He
was not illegitimate at all. He proceeded forth from God!
Christ told them: If God were their father, they would love Him
because He came out of the Father, and He came from God,
who sent Him into the world.
Jesus was speaking very plainly, telling them where He came
from, yet it was as if they had not heard Him:
1. "You do the deeds of your father." Then they said to
Him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one
Father--God."
2. Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you
would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from
God ; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me .
3. "Why do you not understand My speech? Because
you are not able to listen to My word. John 8:41-43
Jesus said He came forth from God when He was accused of
being illegitimate. So it is clear that Jesus was speaking of
His original birth from the Creator. Jesus is not illegitimate!
In this and the next Scripture we find that Jesus spoke of two
different events. 1) He proceeded forth or He came forth from
God and, 2) He came into the world (God sent Him).
The text is not just a fancy way to describe His coming to the
earth twice. But rather, Jesus was saying that He proceeded
forth from God and He also came from God who sent Him to
the earth.
1. "Now they have known that all things which You
have given Me are from You.
2. "For I have given to them the words which You
have given Me; and they have received them, and have
known surely that I came forth from You; and they
have believed that You sent Me. John 17:7-8
Christ's followers knew that Jesus came forth from God and
they also believed that God had sent Him to the earth.
Since He was the only begotten Son of God, Jesus was
actually composed out of the "stuff" of God! He was in the
form of God!
1. Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ
Jesus ,
2. who, being in the form of God , did not consider it
robbery to be equal with God , Philippians 2:5-6
Jesus came forth from His Father in the form of God.

blueAgent:




1. "In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not
say to you that I shall pray the Father for you;
2. "for the Father Himself loves you, because you have
loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from
God .
3. "I came forth from the Father and have come into
the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the
Father." John 16:26-28.

You can never hid the truth for too long.

The words came forth and came out are not idioms

The phrase "came forth " is translated from the Greek word:
("exerchomai " Strongs # 1831) which
means to "issued forth " or to have " issued from". Jesus issued
forth from the Father. In the next verse, "proceeded forth " also
comes from the same Greek word.
The next Scripture is very interesting. In verse 41, the leaders
decided to push their point by saying that they were not
illegitimate like Jesus was. Thus they were saying Jesus was
Illegitimate!
In response, Jesus expanded His message by telling them
where He actually came from. So, Jesus told them that He
was not illegitimate at all. He proceeded forth from God!
Christ told them: If God were their father, they would love Him
because He came out of the Father, and He came from God,
who sent Him into the world.
Jesus was speaking very plainly, telling them where He came
from, yet it was as if they had not heard Him:
1. "You do the deeds of your father." Then they said to
Him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one
Father--God."
2. Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you
would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from
God ; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me .
3. "Why do you not understand My speech? Because
you are not able to listen to My word. John 8:41-43
Jesus said He came forth from God when He was accused of
being illegitimate. So it is clear that Jesus was speaking of
His original birth from the Creator. Jesus is not illegitimate!
In this and the next Scripture we find that Jesus spoke of two
different events. 1) He proceeded forth or He came forth from
God and, 2) He came into the world (God sent Him).
The text is not just a fancy way to describe His coming to the
earth twice. But rather, Jesus was saying that He proceeded
forth from God and He also came from God who sent Him to
the earth.
1. "Now they have known that all things which You
have given Me are from You.
2. "For I have given to them the words which You
have given Me; and they have received them, and have
known surely that I came forth from You; and they
have believed that You sent Me. John 17:7-8
Christ's followers knew that Jesus came forth from God and
they also believed that God had sent Him to the earth.
Since He was the only begotten Son of God, Jesus was
actually composed out of the "stuff" of God! He was in the
form of God!
1. Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ
Jesus ,
2. who, being in the form of God , did not consider it
robbery to be equal with God , Philippians 2:5-6
Jesus came forth from His Father in the form of God.

You don't deserve all these headache, just open your own Church and start gathering your own sheep.

As for Jehovah's witnesses, Prophet Micah has informed us about what they'll be doing now and how peace loving everyone will know them for! Micah 4:1-3

All these religious groups each is walking in the name of it's God, so it's pointless disturbing your brains on those who have chosen who they're going to worship! Micah 4:5

Maximus69:


You don't deserve all these headache, just open your own Church and start gathering your own sheep.

As for Jehovah's witnesses, Prophet Micah has informed us about what they'll be doing now and how peace loving everyone will know them for! Micah 4:1-3

All these religious groups each is walking in the name of it's God, so it's pointless disturbing your brains on those who have chosen who they're going to worship! Micah 4:5

You are not a seeker of truth, you are only interested in meeting your Church beliefs and expectations

2 Timothy 2:15
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved,
a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who
correctly handles the word of truth.


What makes you a fellower of Christ and God is not a feel good attitude or feeling, but the word and teaching of God.

John 8:31-32

1 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you
hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then
you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

Janosky:

Bros,from Genesis to Revelation, anywhere you see this word "BORN" , that's clear proof the Subject or Individual ORIGINATED from a Superior Source.
The beginning of pangs of birth pains DOESN'T mean the Source of birth pains.
Did Jesus Christ creat his Father?
In the Oldest Greek MSS, the words: '"the head over " NEVER exists in Colossians 1:15.
It was inserted by Bible Translators to support the Trinity.

"The firstborn of every creature" (KJV) is too sweet and accurate ! Gbam !!!!
The KJV refutes Dr Geisler's false claims.

Dr Norman Geissler is intellectually dishonest !
BlueAgent, you have staunchly said Jesus Christ is the son of God,not Trinity.
Now,you are bringing a Trinitarian claim to the table. .
My people say "Bros, urinate for one place make eee foam."

Jesus is the literal son of God.

In Proverbs we find special mention of God's Son.
1. Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who
has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the
waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends
of the earth? What is His name , and what is His Son's
name , If you know? Proverbs 30:4
Who is it that has made the earth? And who is it that has
gone into heaven and come back. He has the wind in His fists
and waters in a garment. God has done all these things. It is
God who has created all things.
Now who is His Son? Yes mention of God's Son is here in the
book of Proverbs. What part did the Son play in the creation of
all things.
1. All things were made through Him [Jesus] , and
without Him nothing was made that was made . John
1:3
1. God, who at various times and in various ways
spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
2. has in these last days spoken to us by His Son,
whom He has appointed heir of all things, through
whom also He made the worlds; Hebrews 1:1-2.
1. By faith we understand that the worlds were
framed by the word of God , so that the things which
are seen were not made of things which are visible.
Hebrews 11:3

blueAgent:



You are not a seeker of truth you are only interested in meeting your Church beliefs and expectations

2 Timothy 2:15
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved,
a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who
correctly handles the word of truth.


What makes you a fellower of Christ and God is not a feel good attitude or feeling, but the word and teaching of God.

John 8:31-32

1 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you
hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then
you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

@bolded,

Jesus never said "people will be seeking for truth" because he is dispensing it through his follower whom he sent to go and meet people in their homes! Matthew 10:4-15

Jehovah's witnesses are doing just that, but if you think what they're carrying from one place to another is false. Then organize your own group and let them visit people IN THEIR HOMES just as Jesus sent out his own disciples to do.

Let's see how well organized they are going to handle the disciple making work with efficiency, persistence and tolerance. It's all we need to IDENTIFY those Jesus sent out to SEARCH for his LOST sheep! Matthew 10:6, 15:24 compared to 1Peter 3:15

So it's not here where nobody can SEE them {Matthew 5:14-16} nor learn through their activities how to imitate what Jesus taught them to do on "FACELESS" social media Sir!

Maximus69:


@bolded,

Jesus never said "people will be seeking for truth" because he is dispensing it through his follower whom he sent to go and meet people in their homes! Matthew 10:4-15

Jehovah's witnesses are doing just that, but if you think what they're carrying from one place to another is false. Then organize your own group and let them visit people IN THEIR HOMES just as Jesus sent out his own disciples to do.

Let's see how well organized they are going to handle the disciple making work with efficiency, persistence and tolerance. It's all we need to IDENTIFY those Jesus sent out to SEARCH for his LOST sheep! Matthew 10:6, 15:24 compared to 1Peter 3:15

So it's not here where nobody can SEE them {Matthew 5:14-16} nor learn through their activities how to imitate what Jesus taught them to do on "FACELESS" social media Sir!

Maximus69: @bolded,

JESUS NEVER SAID "people will be SEEKING for TRUTH" because he is dispensing it through his follower whom he sent to go and meet people in their homes! Matthew 10:4-15

Achorladey: Always learn to take a second look at your POSTS to see where corrections are needed to be MADE. In your efforts to make a case for your POINTS you never know WHO YOU WILL make a liar.

Matthew 7:7..........Ask and it will be given to you; SEEK and you will find; knock and the door will be opened for you. 8 For everyone who asks receives, and the one who SEEKS FINDS, and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

Acts 17: 27..... so that they would search for God and perhaps grope around for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.

Do you still remember what NICODEMUS did?

3 Now a certain man, a Pharisee named Nicodemus, who was a member of the Jewish ruling council, 2 came to Jesus at night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs that you do unless God is with him.”

achorladey:



Maximus69: @bolded,

JESUS NEVER SAID "people will be SEEKING for TRUTH" because he is dispensing it through his follower whom he sent to go and meet people in their homes! Matthew 10:4-15

Achorladey: Always learn to take a second look at your POSTS to see where corrections are needed to be MADE. In your efforts to make a case for your POINTS you never know WHO YOU WILL make a liar.

Matthew 7:7..........Ask and it will be given to you; SEEK and you will find; knock and the door will be opened for you. 8 For everyone who asks receives, and the one who SEEKS FINDS, and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

Acts 17: 27..... so that they would search for God and perhaps grope around for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.

Do you still remember what NICODEMUS did?

3 Now a certain man, a Pharisee named Nicodemus, who was a member of the Jewish ruling council, 2 came to Jesus at night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs that you do unless God is with him.”

Thanks achorladey, that's right on time Sir!

But take note of what the scriptures say regarding this topic of TRUTH!

Nobody will wake up and start going up and down saying "i'm search for Mr TRUTH". They're bombarded with so many things disturbing their hearts. So Jesus likens it to a sower who is going about sowing the seed! Matthew 13:3

But "in their hearts" they are hungry for righteousness (anxious to see things set right) {Matthew 5:6} so Jesus SENT HIS FOLLOWER TO GO IN SEARCH FOR SUCHLIKE ONES {Luke 10:5} it's through the presentation of the true Christians who have come to visit them IN THEIR HOMES that many will discover and say "this is the truth" John 8:32

Moreover Jesus said "if they tell you 'he is here or he is there' do not believe" Mark 13:21

Jesus never said people will leave their homes in search of truth, NO! but surely they'll be hungry for spiritual things when Satan has filled everywhere with what is not spiritually nourishing, and all they can see is lies everywhere!
So when Jesus' true followers visit them, their simple and straight forward presentation will catch the attention of honest hearted and sincere individuals and that's the right time to start "asking, knocking and seeking" to know from the group they're convinced can provide the answers to all the questions bordering their hearts! Matthew 7:7-8

But ordinarily expecting people to start going from place to place in search of TRUTH!

Even Jesus himself knew that it's improper, that's why he sent his own disciples to go and meet people IN THEIR HOMES! Matthew 10:12

Nicodemus's example is fine but remember that Nicodemus have known some FACT about Jesus before he started searching for him John 3:2



Once again, thank you!

Maximus69:


Thanks achorladey, that's right on time Sir!

But take note of what the scriptures say regarding this topic of TRUTH!

Nobody will wake up and start going up and down saying "i'm search for Mr TRUTH". They're bombarded with so many things disturbing their hearts. So Jesus likens it to a sower who is going about sowing the seed! Matthew 13:3

But "in their hearts" they are hungry for righteousness (anxious to see things set right) {Matthew 5:6} so Jesus SENT HIS FOLLOWER TO GO IN SEARCH FOR SUCHLIKE ONES {Luke 10:5} it's through the presentation of the true Christians who have come to visit them IN THEIR HOMES that many will discover and say "this is the truth" John 8:32

Moreover Jesus said "if they tell you 'he is here or he is there' do not believe" Mark 13:21

Jesus never said people will leave their homes in search of truth, NO! but surely they'll be hungry for spiritual things when Satan has filled everywhere with what is not spiritually nourishing, and all they can see is lies everywhere!
So when Jesus' true followers visit them, their simple and straight forward presentation will catch the attention of honest hearted and sincere individuals and that's the right time to start "asking, knocking and seeking" to know from the group they're convinced can provide the answers to all the questions bordering their hearts! Matthew 7:7-8

But ordinarily expecting people to start going from place to place in search of TRUTH!

Even Jesus himself knew that it's improper, that's why he sent his own disciples to go and meet people IN THEIR HOMES! Matthew 10:12

Nicodemus's example is fine but remember that Nicodemus have known some FACT about Jesus before he started searching for him John 3:2



Once again, thank you!

Maximus69: Jesus NEVER said people will LEAVE their homes in search of truth, NO

Achorladey: A scripture to back that up please? Don't eventually make him a LIAR. JESUS said SEEK and you WILL FIND. One don't need further explanation as to what SEEK mean relating to whether to SEEK while enjoying delicacies at home or GOING OUT.
Matthew 7:7 is crystal clear SEEK( I don't think Jesus added TERMS and CONDITIONS) as you are struggling hard to add.

Maximus69: Nicodemus's example is fine

Achorladey: Good you agree to that fact that NICODEMUS decided to SEEK the TRUTH in the COVER of the NIGHT paapaa. You should understand what that mean.

Maximus69: but remember that Nicodemus have known some FACT about Jesus before he started searching for him John 3:2

Achorladey: I want to believe that NICODEMUS seek those FACTS from some place some where or perhaps he must have left his COLLEAGUES and secretly go to places where Jesus was Preaching to SEEK what was in his mind.

Here is another example
Luke 19: 1-5

Jesus entered Jericho and was passing through. 2 A man was there by the name of Zacchaeus; he was a chief tax collector and was wealthy. 3 He wanted to see who Jesus was, but being a short man he could not, because of the crowd. 4So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore-fig tree to see him, since Jesus was coming that way.5 When Jesus reached the spot, he looked up and said to him, "Zacchaeus, come down immediately. I must stay at your house today.

Oga Maximus69, what and who was ZACCHAEUS SEEKING FOR? Was Zaccheus enjoying chicken and chips at his NEW RESIDENCE ( Sycamore fig tree)

achorladey:


Maximus69: Jesus NEVER said people will LEAVE their homes in search of truth, NO

Achorladey: A scripture to back that up please? Don't eventually make him a LIAR. JESUS said SEEK and you WILL FIND. One don't need further explanation as to what SEEK mean relating to whether to SEEK while enjoying delicacies at home or GOING OUT.
Matthew 7:7 is crystal clear SEEK( I don't think Jesus added TERMS and CONDITIONS) as you are struggling hard to add.

Maximus69: Nicodemus's example is fine

Achorladey: Good you agree to that fact that NICODEMUS decided to SEEK the TRUTH in the COVER of the NIGHT paapaa. You should understand what that mean.

Maximus69: but remember that Nicodemus have known some FACT about Jesus before he started searching for him John 3:2

Achorladey: I want to believe that NICODEMUS seek those FACTS from some place some where or perhaps he must have left his COLLEAGUES and secretly go to places where Jesus was Preaching to SEEK what was in his mind.

Here is another example
Luke 19: 1-5

Jesus entered Jericho and was passing through. 2 A man was there by the name of Zacchaeus; he was a chief tax collector and was wealthy. 3 He wanted to see who Jesus was, but being a short man he could not, because of the crowd. 4So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore-fig tree to see him, since Jesus was coming that way.5 When Jesus reached the spot, he looked up and said to him, "Zacchaeus, come down immediately. I must stay at your house today.

Oga Maximus69, what and who was ZACCHAEUS SEEKING FOR? Was Zaccheus enjoying chicken and chips at his NEW RESIDENCE ( Sycamore fig tree)

The circumstances differs Sir!

Take note that the examples you're presenting are Israelites who have heard that a Messiah is coming, and now they're hearing of great miraculous works been performed by someone in their very own jurisdiction!
But in our case today Jesus has come, fully accomplished his ministry and returned to heaven. He himself warned that interested persons shouldn't leave their homes if someone come inviting them to somewhere when they're not fully aware of what exactly is happening there! Mark 13:21

Why not consider the example of Cornelius?

He is not a Jew, but God can see his heart that all his good works, so what happened? Was he asked to go and search for the Christians? NO! The Christians were directed to SEARCH for Cornelius! He invited them in NOT the other way round!

What about the Ethiopian Eunuch?

Philip LOCATED him Sir!

So don't compare those who are already expecting the Messiah(based on what they've heard when listening to God's laws) with those who have been warned that false prophets will be everywhere and they're experiencing it!

Maximus69:


The circumstances differs Sir!

Take note that the examples you're presenting are Israelites who have heard that a Messiah is coming, and now they're hearing of great miraculous works been performed by someone in their very own jurisdiction!
But in our case today Jesus has come, fully accomplished his ministry and returned to heaven. He himself warned that interested persons shouldn't leave their homes if someone come inviting them to somewhere when they're not fully aware of what exactly is happening there! Mark 13:21

Why not consider the example of Cornelius?

He is not a Jew, but God can see his heart that all his good works, so what happened? Was he asked to go and search for the Christians? NO! The Christians were directed to SEARCH for Cornelius! He invited them in NOT the other way round!

What about the Ethiopian Eunuch?

Philip LOCATED him Sir!

So don't compare those who are already expecting the Messiah(based on what they've heard when listening to God's laws) with those who have been warned that false prophets will be everywhere and they're experiencing it!

Maximus69: He himself warned that interested persons shouldn't leave their homes

Achorladey: Where did the "HE"(Jesus) say so Oga Maximus69?

Maximus69: if someone come inviting them to somewhere when they're not fully aware of what exactly is happening there! Mark 13:21

Achorladey: What was the concept surrounding the scripture you cited? Is it about SOMEONE SEEKING or about something else? The verse itself goes against the point you are trying to make. Read it again and get it right.

Maximus69: He is not a Jew, but God can see his heart that all his good works, so what happened?

Achorladey: Acts 10 is still in your Bible, read it. His prayer was favourably heard, whatever Cornelius was SEEKING was eventually found by HIM. God even direct him to SEEK for PETER by sending his ATTENDANTS down to bring PETER. Did you skip that while READING.

Maximus69: Was he asked to go and search for the Christians? NO!

Achorladey: After reading what is typed up there, you will have to seek another answer for the question you raised up there.

Maximus69: What about the Ethiopian Eunuch?

Achorladey: What was the EUNUCH doing before the spirit direct Phillip to join the EUNUCH? The EUNUCH was equally SEEKING.

Acts 8: 30So Philip ran up to it and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. He asked him, “Do you understand what you’re reading?” 31 The man replied, “How in the world can I, unless someone guides me?” So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him

Maximus69: Philip LOCATED him Sir!

Achorladey: Now you know why Phillip had to locate HIM. Regarding how to SEEK, Jesus didn't add TERMS and CONDITIONS as you struggling and smuggling to add.

Here is another one Acts 28:30 Paul lived there two whole years in his OWN RENTED QUARTERS and WELCOMED ALL WHO CAME to HIM, 31 proclaiming the kingdom of God and teaching about the Lord Jesus Christ with complete boldness and without restriction.

Who is SEEKING WHO here too?

achorladey:



Maximus69: He himself warned that interested persons shouldn't leave their homes

Achorladey: Where did the "HE"(Jesus) say so Oga Maximus69?

Maximus69: if someone come inviting them to somewhere when they're not fully aware of what exactly is happening there! Mark 13:21

Achorladey: What was the concept surrounding the scripture you cited? Is it about SOMEONE SEEKING or about something else? The verse itself goes against the point you are trying to make. Read it again and get it right.

Maximus69: He is not a Jew, but God can see his heart that all his good works, so what happened?

Achorladey: Acts 10 is still in your Bible, read it. His prayer was favourably heard, whatever Cornelius was SEEKING was eventually found by HIM. God even direct him to SEEK for PETER by sending his ATTENDANTS down to bring PETER. Did you skip that while READING.

Maximus69: Was he asked to go and search for the Christians? NO!

Achorladey: After reading what is typed up there, you will have to seek another answer for the question you raised up there.

Maximus69: What about the Ethiopian Eunuch?

Achorladey: What was the EUNUCH doing before the spirit direct Phillip to join the EUNUCH? The EUNUCH was equally SEEKING.

Acts 8: 30So Philip ran up to it and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. He asked him, “Do you understand what you’re reading?” 31 The man replied, “How in the world can I, unless someone guides me?” So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him

Maximus69: Philip LOCATED him Sir!

Achorladey: Now you know why Phillip had to locate HIM. Regarding how to SEEK, Jesus didn't add TERMS and CONDITIONS as you struggling and smuggling to add.

Here is another one Acts 28:30 Paul lived there two whole years in his OWN RENTED QUARTERS and WELCOMED ALL WHO CAME to HIM, 31 proclaiming the kingdom of God and teaching about the Lord Jesus Christ with complete boldness and without restriction.
Who is SEEKING WHO here too?

Sorry Sir, i've forgotten that spirit of argument is at work here,but i'm not interested in argument.

So if you're OK with people seeking for preachers and teachers of God's word, i'm of the opinion that it's the preachers that should search for interested persons.

Let each person's work continue and the fruit of each work will be obvious. Matthew 13:24-30

God bless you Sir!

Janosky:

Johnw FRAUD,why you dey disgrace yourself?
Trinity scam removed your brain...
Johnw FRAUD, Who made the dust of the ground?

**** Vocabulary.com Dictionary ***
come forth

Definitions of
come forth
1
* COME OUT OF
Synonyms:
Come out, egress, emerge, go forth, issue

* Happen or occur as a result of something
Synonyms:
emerge
Types:

come forth or begin from a state of latency
Type of:
arise, develop, grow, ORIGINATE, rise, spring up, uprise
COME INTO EXISTENCE ; take on form or shape

**. *** Johnw FRAUD , the gene of falsehood and FRAUD theorem was embedded in your blood before you COME FORTH from the womb.

Igbo man go say "Trinity FRAUD gbuo gi dia !!!!!"

The Trinity scam removed your sense & scrubbed your brain with POO.
*Spits*

1. "In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not
say to you that I shall pray the Father for you;
2. "for the Father Himself loves you, because you have
loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from
God .
3. "I came forth from the Father and have come into
the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the
Father." John 16:26-28.

You can never hid the truth for too long.

The words came forth and came out are not idioms

The phrase "came forth " is translated from the Greek word:
("exerchomai " Strongs # 1831) which
means to "issued forth " or to have " issued from". Jesus issued
forth from the Father. In the next verse, "proceeded forth " also
comes from the same Greek word.
The next Scripture is very interesting. In verse 41, the leaders
decided to push their point by saying that they were not
illegitimate like Jesus was. Thus they were saying Jesus was
Illegitimate!
In response, Jesus expanded His message by telling them
where He actually came from. So, Jesus told them that He
was not illegitimate at all. He proceeded forth from God!
Christ told them: If God were their father, they would love Him
because He came out of the Father, and He came from God,
who sent Him into the world.
Jesus was speaking very plainly, telling them where He came
from, yet it was as if they had not heard Him:
1. "You do the deeds of your father." Then they said to
Him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one
Father--God."
2. Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you
would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from
God ; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me .
3. "Why do you not understand My speech? Because
you are not able to listen to My word. John 8:41-43
Jesus said He came forth from God when He was accused of
being illegitimate. So it is clear that Jesus was speaking of
His original birth from the Creator. Jesus is not illegitimate!
In this and the next Scripture we find that Jesus spoke of two
different events. 1) He proceeded forth or He came forth from
God and, 2) He came into the world (God sent Him).
The text is not just a fancy way to describe His coming to the
earth twice. But rather, Jesus was saying that He proceeded
forth from God and He also came from God who sent Him to
the earth.
1. "Now they have known that all things which You
have given Me are from You.
2. "For I have given to them the words which You
have given Me; and they have received them, and have
known surely that I came forth from You; and they
have believed that You sent Me. John 17:7-8
Christ's followers knew that Jesus came forth from God and
they also believed that God had sent Him to the earth.
Since He was the only begotten Son of God, Jesus was
actually composed out of the "stuff" of God! He was in the
form of God!
1. Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ
Jesus ,
2. who, being in the form of God , did not consider it
robbery to be equal with God , Philippians 2:5-6
Jesus came forth from His Father in the form of God.

Janosky:

Bros,from Genesis to Revelation, anywhere you see this word "BORN" , that's clear proof the Subject or Individual ORIGINATED from a Superior Source.
The beginning of pangs of birth pains DOESN'T mean the Source of birth pains.
Did Jesus Christ creat his Father?
In the Oldest Greek MSS, the words: '"the head over " NEVER exists in Colossians 1:15.
It was inserted by Bible Translators to support the Trinity.

"The firstborn of every creature" (KJV) is too sweet and accurate ! Gbam !!!!
The KJV refutes Dr Geisler's false claims.

Dr Norman Geissler is intellectually dishonest !
BlueAgent, you have staunchly said Jesus Christ is the son of God,not Trinity.
Now,you are bringing a Trinitarian claim to the table. .
My people say "Bros, urinate for one place make eee foam."

But when the fullness of the time had come, God
sent forth His Son , born of a woman, born under the
law, Galatians 4:4

Am still wondering while this Bible verse did not say God sent an Angel born of a woman considering the fact that Angels are also called Sons of God.


Consider this Bible verses they all call Jesus God.

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the FORM of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:


John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.


1. For unto us a Child is born , Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His
name will be called Wonderful , Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6


Hebrews 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Janosky:

Check your Bible from Genesis to Revelation,which spiritual beings has God always sent from heaven to fulfill his assignments on earth?
Who are the sons of God in heaven?
Who is designated to lead other sons of God to put an end to wickedness on earth?2thess1:7-9.

But No Angel ever received praise or worship or ever forgive sin but Jesus did.


1. But when He again brings the firstborn into the
world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship
Him ." Hebrews 1:6

Matthew 9:2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee. Matthew 9:5 For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk? Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.



Then he said,
"Lord, I believe!"
And he worshiped
him (John 9:38

Janosky:

Check your Bible from Genesis to Revelation,which spiritual beings has God always sent from heaven to fulfill his assignments on earth?
Who are the sons of God in heaven?
Who is designated to lead other sons of God to put an end to wickedness on earth?2thess1:7-9.

But No Angel ever received praise or worship or ever forgive sin but Jesus did.


1. But when He again brings the firstborn into the
world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship
Him ." Hebrews 1:6

Matthew 9:2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee. Matthew 9:5 For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk? Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.



Then he said,
"Lord, I believe!"
And he worshiped
him (John 9:38

solite3:
Are all humans Sons of God?

Yes.

Janosky:

The Hebrew old testament says Jehovah begat Israel.... Bros "begat" is what it is -'begat'.
Jehovah begat the mountains.
Jehovah begat Israel.
Jehovah begat Jesus.
Bros, Jehovah CREATED them ALL.
Every life exists by creation
"Jesus Christ is "the first born of every creature", you garrit?
You are free to believe what you like Sha..
No qualms.
Shalom.

In addition to calling Ishmael "the son of the bondwoman",
God later referred to Isaac as Abraham's only son:
1. Then He said, "Take now your son, your only son
Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah,
and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the
mountains of which I shall tell you." Genesis 22:2
It is clear that God Himself recognized Isaac as being Abraham's only son. We also see that Paul chose to describe Isaac in the same way that God did. He did this by calling Isaac Abraham's only begotten son:
1. By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up
Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up
his only begotten son, Hebrews 11:17
So, Paul means what he is saying. Paul describes Isaac as
being Abraham's only begotten son because God Himself had
pronounced the same thing long before. Ishmael was only an
illegitimate seed and not a son.
This " unique" Argument is Only Made
to support the Trinity Doctrine
The example of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael is always
brought up as the basis for the argument that Jesus cannot
be the only-begotten Son of God. However, we have seen that
God Himself never calls Ishmael Abraham's son. Instead, He
calls Ishmael the son of the bondwoman but when God talks
to Abraham, He calls Isaac Abraham's only son (Genesis
22:2).
The only reason for having the argument, that "only-begotten "
means "unique " in the case of Jesus, is this: Theologians
want to do away with the understanding that Jesus actually is
the Son of God, that He came out of His Father, because it
goes against the doctrine of the Trinity.
Since they argue that Isaac was not Abraham's only son, they
then urge that Jesus cannot be God's only Son because the
same Greek word is used to describe both Jesus and Isaac.
There is no reason to resort to changing an obvious meaning
of a word. The most direct and obvious meaning of
"monogene " is ONLY-generated , only-begotten , Only-born ,
the sole or only begotten child . as we discussed earlier. It
does not mean "unique" at all. But it means "mono" = only
and " gene" = generated or begotten .
There are other examples of the "only-begotten" word that is
translated correctly and everyone agrees with the translation:
And when He came near the gate of the city, behold, a dead
man was being carried out, the only son of his mother; and
she was a widow. And a large crowd from the city was with her. Luke 7:12
for he had an only daughter about twelve years of age, and
she was dying. But as He went, the multitudes thronged Him.
Luke 8:42
Suddenly a man from the multitude cried out, saying,
"Teacher, I implore You, look on my son, for he is my only
child ". Luke 9:38
Since these examples describe normal family and human
existence; The begotten aspect of how the child came to be is
automatically assumed even by the reader. The "begotten"
meaning is an actual part of the sentence whether the word is
present or not. But in the case of Jesus, the begotten aspect
had to be spelled out to make it clear how Jesus began,
according to the actual meaning of the word.
In each of these three examples, it is an only-begotten son,
daughter, or child. The argument is never made by these
same theologians that it actually should be translated as a
unique son, daughter, or child. Only when the word is used in
connection with Jesus do they start to object!
So, the argument that Isaac is only a unique son, is definitely
not strong enough to warrant a change in our understanding
of a basic Greek word. The absurdity of this argument is
especially obvious when we consider that even God
considered Isaac to be Abraham's only son and He
pronounced him as such. Paul was only saying what God had
said long before!
The most obvious, direct, and simple meaning of the Greek
text, using the actual meaning of the words, tells us that
Jesus is indeed the only begotten Son of God! It is a very
simple translation and there is an obvious meaning to the
word! There is no mystery about it.
Their presupposition or assumption that the Trinity doctrine is
correct has forced them to make this poor argument. It is only
because of the Trinity doctrine that this debate is even tried as
an argument. They simply do not want Jesus to be the only-
begotten Son of God because He can not actually be begotten
within the Trinity concept.


A Small Study into the Greek
Word for "Only Begotten"
Let's look at an interlinear Bible to begin our search:
(This wonderful online interlinear Bible is found at: http://
www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/joh3.pdf )
In the Online Interlinear Bible we see that "monogene " means
ONLY-generated or only-begotten . So, we see that in the
verse, Jesus is described as the only begotten Son of God.
This is the most direct meaning of the text using the actual
meaning of the word.
Let's look into the words a bit more deeply:
Strongs # 3439
monogene mon-og-en-ace
- comes from
Strongs # 3441
"Mono " and
Strongs # 1096
"ginomai "
"Mono " which is often translated "alone" or "only ". The
Scriptural use of this word is very obvious. "Mono " is the
prefix for "one" or "only ". English examples would be:
mono chrome (one color), mono tone ( one tone) and
mono gamy (one spouse at one time).
"gene " comes from "ginomai " It is a prolongation and middle
voice form of a primary verb; ' to cause to be' (" gen"-erate) i.e.
reflexively to become (come into being)" (see The New
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, New Strong's
Concise Dictionary of the words in the Greek Testament, page
19).
So, "gene" can mean: come , become, made , fulfilled , be
(come), be ( brought to pass ).
When we put the words together " monogene " means: "the
only one that has come to pass " or, "the only one who has
been brought to pass " or " the only one to come into being".
"monogene " is also known to be associated within the context
of a birth. So when we see Strongs definition it makes good
sense:
In Strong's Concordance, #3439 "monogene " from 3441 and
1096; means Only-born , i.e. sole - only (begotten , child )
(James Strong, LL.D., S.T.D., The New Strong's Exhaustive
Concordance of the Bible, New Strong's Concise Dictionary of
the words in the Greek Testament, page 59)
In the Thayer's Lexicon, "monogene " means unigenitus, single
of its kind, or only . It is used of only sons or daughters when
viewed in relation to their parents . (Joseph Henry Thayer,
D.D., The New Thayer's Greek - English Lexicon of the New
Testament, page 417)
In the New Englishman's Greek Concordance, we can see
where "monogene " is found in the Bible and how it is used.
The New Englishman's Greek Concordance and Lexicon by
Jay P. Green, Sr., page 579)
Luke 7:12 - the only son of his mother,
Luke 8:42 - For he had one only daughter,
Luke 9:38 - for he is mine only child .
Heb 11:17 - (Abraham) . . .offered up his only begotten (son)
John 1:14 - as of the only begotten of the Father,
John 1:18 - the only begotten Son, which is
John 3:16 - his only begotten Son, that whosoever
John 3:18 - of the only begotten Son of God
1 John - 4:9 - God sent his only begotten Son
This agrees with what we saw from the Online Interlinear
Bible: ONLY-generated or only-begotten
So, it is clear what "monogene " actually means. It follows
what we found in both the Strongs Concordance and the
interlinear Bible I have above: ONLY-generated , only-
begotten , Only-born , the sole or only begotten child .
"monogene " is a well known Greek word. It is not rare and
vague; There is a simple meaning to the word. In the example
of Jesus, it is only because of the Trinity objection that this
debate is even tried as an argument, throwing the word into
question. As a result, they have tried to redefine the word to
something that would agree with the trinity doctrine.

Maximus69:


@bolded,

Jesus never said "people will be seeking for truth" because he is dispensing it through his follower whom he sent to go and meet people in their homes! Matthew 10:4-15

Jehovah's witnesses are doing just that, but if you think what they're carrying from one place to another is false. Then organize your own group and let them visit people IN THEIR HOMES just as Jesus sent out his own disciples to do.

Let's see how well organized they are going to handle the disciple making work with efficiency, persistence and tolerance. It's all we need to IDENTIFY those Jesus sent out to SEARCH for his LOST sheep! Matthew 10:6, 15:24 compared to 1Peter 3:15

So it's not here where nobody can SEE them {Matthew 5:14-16} nor learn through their activities how to imitate what Jesus taught them to do on "FACELESS" social media Sir!

irst John 4:1 “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but
test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because
many false prophets have gone out into the world.”
I love this; John is saying to “test the spirits” and see if
they’re from God or not but how can we do that? Place the
teachings next to those in the Bible and it should be
abundantly clear whether it’s “from God” or not. We need to
test all teachings against the Word because “many false
prophets have gone out into the world.” Amen?
Jeremiah 23:16 “This is what the LORD Almighty says: “Do
not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they
fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own
minds, not from the mouth of the LORD .”

Maximus69:


@bolded,

Jesus never said "people will be seeking for truth" because he is dispensing it through his follower whom he sent to go and meet people in their homes! Matthew 10:4-15

Jehovah's witnesses are doing just that, but if you think what they're carrying from one place to another is false. Then organize your own group and let them visit people IN THEIR HOMES just as Jesus sent out his own disciples to do.

Let's see how well organized they are going to handle the disciple making work with efficiency, persistence and tolerance. It's all we need to IDENTIFY those Jesus sent out to SEARCH for his LOST sheep! Matthew 10:6, 15:24 compared to 1Peter 3:15

So it's not here where nobody can SEE them {Matthew 5:14-16} nor learn through their activities how to imitate what Jesus taught them to do on "FACELESS" social media Sir!

Like I said before the movement to restablish the truth of the word of God is not to be too known or identified by large crowd and population because Jesus said that the World will not want to hear the truth but will want to hear what they like.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when people will not put up with
sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will
gather around them a great number of teachers to say what
their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears
away from the truth and turn aside to myths.


Luke 6:26 “Woe to you, when all people speak well of you,
for so their fathers did to the false prophets ."

4. 1 John 4:5 They are from the world and therefore speak
from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.

James 4:4 You adulterous people, don’t you know that
friendship with the world means enmity against God?
Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world
becomes an enemy of God.



Having 8.5million members or more does not make a church or organization righteous or good in the sight of God, what matters to God above everything else is his word, do people abide to his word and precepts or do they fellow a manmade rules and teachings.

Janosky:

Isaac is the FIRST legitimately born son of his Father Abraham. He was granted the privilege that other children of Abraham NEVER had.
Greek monogenes, the only child is also the FIRST born of his parents.
The only begotten son is the FIRST child among his Father's children to be granted the privilege that wasn't given to other children of his Father.
Psalms 89:20,27. Hebrews 2:7. 1:5,6.
KJV usage of "monogenes" is FAULTLESS.
Bros,no dull yourself.

" ****Monogenes 4:737,606****"
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
mon-og-en-ace' Adjective
Definition
single of its kind, only
used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God
King James Word Usage - Total: 9
only begotten 6, only 2, only child 1"

If Jesus was not the son of God how come he shared or had glory with the Father ? and we are told that God cannot share his glory with another( of cause it means Angels,false gods)

1. "And now, O Father, glorify Me together with
Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before
the world was . John 17:5.

Isaiah 48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

Barristter07:


Yes.

Why do people need to become sons of God?

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

solite3:

Why do people need to become sons of God?

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Actually, when false teachings has getting root into a persons life, they lack all thinking ability, Have you forgotten that we are discussing that anyone in Gods image is a creation of God and automatically his children ? Sonship by creation.


Now before you quote verses up and down, Do you agree that all humans either male or female, good or evil, pagan or believer are all CHILDREN OF GOD ?