Maximus69:


Jesus said "just as it happened in the day of Noah" Luke 17:26

Please if compared to the world's population of Noah's day, of what ratio was those that were saved?

And were they scattered or having different mindsets regarding how one can be saved?

Are we talking about those who are saved or those who have done the most impact?

How can you say you are saved when you deny who the son of God is?
If you do not confess Jesus is the Son of
God then you are separated from God.
“Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is
the Son of God , God dwelleth in him, and
he in God.

” 1 John 4:15 . And again,
“Who is he that overcometh the world,
but he that believeth that Jesus is the
Son of God? ”

1 John 5:5
And if you deny Jesus is the Son of God
and that God gave His literal Son then
you make God a liar and you do not
have eternal life. “ He that believeth on
the Son of God has the witness in
himself: he that believeth not God has
made him a liar; because he believeth not
the record that God gave of his Son. And
this is the record, that God has given to
us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
He that has the Son has life; and he that
has not the Son of God has not life.

” 1
John 5:10-12
“But these are written, that you might
believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son
of God; and that believing you might have
life through his name .” John 20:31



Not my word but God's word.

Barristter07:


Animals are not created after the image of God.

But humans are


All Humans are children of God, agree ?


Finally , You admitted been created made Adam a Son of God
Jesus is in whose Image ?

what is the purpose of your argument? Are you not the one that said to be the son of God is the same as being created by God?
Confusion

Why should Jesus be in someone else image if he wasnt made by that person ?

sorry Jesus is not in the inage of anyone but the very image of God, Adam was created in that image but Jesus is the very image.

You and I know the Above is a lie - Matthew 24:36



Lie - /Matthew 24:36

what is ths lie there.

Hebrews 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

The word 'express image' means 'exact' without any deviation or alteration.
It means both in authority,power and character of God are reflected through him.

Barristter07:

Good u didnt say Father of ALL humans either good or evil. That can never be said of Satan because he Created nothing

But all intelligent beings, either good or evil were called CHILDREN OF GOD, why ??

why are you dodging the question? You are confusing yourself. You been a father of someone means someone deriving their traits or identity from you, It also has to do with symbol of authority over another. Since sinners bear the trait of satan in them it means satan is their father. God the father represent the authority of God over word who himself is the perfect reflection of the father, This has to do with roles and functions if the persons of the trinity.

blueAgent:



Whether JW, Adventist or Apostlic or Catholic God is not interested in labels what God wants is adherence to his word that is what is important to God.

Matthew 4:4:
But he answered and said, it is written, Man shall not live
by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of
the mouth of God.

Good so keep teaching them facelessly on social media to adhere, when your group and their group is teaching them TRINITY while you're saying it's wrong!

Jesus have given us the clue to identifying his organization in this end time. But if you think you can find Christians (those practicing what Jesus taught) in different religious groups teaching contradicting doctrines, then it's up to you Sir!

Maximus69:


Good so keep teaching them facelessly on social media to adhere, when your group and their group is teaching them TRINITY while you're saying it's wrong!

Jesus have given us the clue to identifying his organization in this end time. But if you think you can find Christians (those practicing what Jesus taught) in different religious groups teaching contradicting doctrines, then it's up to you Sir!

Your Church is not qualified to be identified as an endtime agent of God.


God's end time Church would be preaching about God's word their mission is to return people to the true gospel of God.

That can only be achieved when the Church is devoted to the word of God, when they preach what God says and not what their founder or Church leaders say.

Revelation 14:6

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the
everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth,
and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

As you can see from the Bible verse above that God is serious about his word.

God is calling people to come out of Babylon and to reject any teaching of the Anti-Christ, which is any teaching that denies that Jesus is the Literal son of God.


1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He
is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

blueAgent:



Your Church is not qualified to be identified as an endtime agent of God.


God's end time Church would be preaching about God's word their mission is to return people to the true gospel of God.

That can only be achieved when the Church is devoted to the word of God, when they preach what God says and not what their founder or Church leaders say.

Revelation 14:6

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the
everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth,
and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

As you can see from the Bible verse above that God is serious about his word.

God is calling people to come out of Babylon and to reject any teaching of the Anti-Christ, which is any teaching that denies that Jesus is the Literal son of God.


1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He
is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

All these na story story story Sir!

Jesus knew perfectly that there can never be a religion without something their members be preaching, therefore every religion in this end time keep preaching and carrying Bible (even Muslim do carry Bibles along during their open air revivals)

So what will help honest hearted and sincere observers to identify the one and only Christian group out of all these false religions?

Jesus answered: "By their FRUIT you will recognise them" Matthew 7:15-20

If after seeing the FRUIT you now feel something is still missing, then
(1)it's either that is not the FRUIT or
(2)you can't identify the FRUIT or
(3)Jesus is not alive to organize his group to bear the FRUIT!

You can pick either of the three, then help Jesus since he's alive in the spirit realms but he can't organize his followers to bear the FRUIT!

My friend, stop deceiving yourself!

Maximus69:


All these na story story story Sir!

Jesus knew perfectly that there can never be a religion without something their members be preaching, therefore every religion in this end time keep preaching and carrying Bible (even Muslim do carry Bibles along during their open air revivals)

So what will help honest hearted and sincere observers to identify the one and only Christian group out of all these false religions?

Jesus answered: "By their FRUIT you will recognise them" Matthew 7:15-20

If after seeing the FRUIT you now feel something is still missing, then
(1)it's either that is not the FRUIT or
(2)you can't identify the FRUIT or
(3)Jesus is not alive to organize his group to bear the FRUIT!

You can pick either of the three, then help Jesus since he's alive in the spirit realms but he can't organize his followers to bear the FRUIT!

My friend, stop deceiving yourself!

What fruit are you guys bearing? can you be specific.

Maximus69:


Good so keep teaching them facelessly on social media to adhere, when your group and their group is teaching them TRINITY while you're saying it's wrong!

Jesus have given us the clue to identifying his organization in this end time. But if you think you can find Christians (those practicing what Jesus taught) in different religious groups teaching contradicting doctrines, then it's up to you Sir!

Martin Luther's Reformation movement started with him pasting his 95 theses on the door of a church.

God's end time Reformation movement will not start or be done by those who rate and praise themselves, but it will start from an unlikely source and grow like wild fire.


1 Corinthians 1:27

But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to
confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of
the world to confound the things which are mighty;

blueAgent:



What fruit are you guys bearing? can you be specific.

If you don't know the FRUIT Jesus asked honest hearted and sincere observers to look out for then it's simple you can't be a REAL Christian!

Jesus came all alone as God's only begotten son, even his immediate family must be observant for any of them to become a Christian, and only Christians can have everlasting life!

So if you don't know the FRUIT, hmmmmmmmm that means all what you've been quoting ever since is of NO benefit to you, because Jesus established his group almost 2,000 years ago he was worried about the FRUIT {Matthew 7:15-20} they must bear for honest hearted and sincere observers to identify them amidst thousands of false religions that Satan was about to arrange in Jesus name! Matthew 7:21-23

Maximus69:


If you don't know the FRUIT Jesus asked honest hearted and sincere observers to look out for then it's simple you can't be a REAL Christian!

Jesus came all alone as God's only begotten son, even his immediate family must be observant for any of them to become a Christian, and only Christians can have everlasting life!

So if you don't know the FRUIT, hmmmmmmmm that means all what you've been quoting ever since is of NO benefit to you, because Jesus established his group almost 2,000 years ago he was worried about the FRUIT {Matthew 7:15-20} they must bear for honest hearted and sincere observers to identify them amidst thousands of false religions that Satan was about to arrange in Jesus name! Matthew 7:21-23

The irony is that the Bible verse you quoted(Matt 7:15_20), is a Bible verse that speaks against your Church and it's doctrine.

Any doctrine that is against God's word is Anti Christ and false prophets.

On the fruits you claim your Church bears I cannot see any. maybe am not conversant with your Church but you will do well giving me some examples.

Maximus69:


If you don't know the FRUIT Jesus asked honest hearted and sincere observers to look out for then it's simple you can't be a REAL Christian!

Jesus came all alone as God's only begotten son, even his immediate family must be observant for any of them to become a Christian, and only Christians can have everlasting life!

So if you don't know the FRUIT, hmmmmmmmm that means all what you've been quoting ever since is of NO benefit to you, because Jesus established his group almost 2,000 years ago he was worried about the FRUIT {Matthew 7:15-20} they must bear for honest hearted and sincere observers to identify them amidst thousands of false religions that Satan was about to arrange in Jesus name! Matthew 7:21-23

Don't tell me that the fruit you are referring to is that your Church members go house to house to preach.

The question is what they are teaching, is it in accordance to God's word or are they teaching their own word or philosophy?

blueAgent:



Don't tell me that the fruit you are referring to is that your Church members go house to house to preach.

The question is what they are teaching, is it in accordance to God's word or are they teaching their own word or philosophy?

Jesus really cared about honest hearted and sincere people who may love to know about him in our time! Luke 18:8

The FRUIT blueAgent the FRUIT!

Carefully read, Cautiously study,thoroughly meditate and fervently pray over the matter as you read through Matthew 7:15-20, Galatians 5:22-23, James 2:18-26!

The FRUIT of God's holy spirit that Jesus admonished interested persons to observe in other to identify his group!

God bless you Sir!

Maximus69:


Jesus really cared about honest hearted and sincere people who may love to know about him in our time! Luke 18:8

The FRUIT blueAgent the FRUIT!

Carefully read, Cautiously study,thoroughly meditate and fervently pray over the matter as you read through Matthew 7:15-20, Galatians 5:22-23, James 2:18-26!

The FRUIT of God's holy spirit that Jesus admonished interested persons to observe in other to identify his group!

God bless you Sir!

This is no substitute for the word of God.

James 2:18-26 talks about faith and we are told that faith comes only by hearing the word of God.

So how can you claim you have fruits when it is not laid on the sure foundation which is the word of God.

Romans 10:17
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of
God.

Like I showed you before God is asking people to leave Babylon and all false teachings which includes the doctrine that Jesus is not the literal son of God.


Your fruits / works will not save you or anyone on last day what will save you or people is the knowledge/faith in the fact that Jesus is the Literal son of God who died to deliver us from Death and sin.

Titus 3:5-7 (KJV)
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but
according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of
regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our
Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs
according to the hope of eternal life.

blueAgent:
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blueAgent post=83244334:


You see how you twist scripture to suit your fantasy.

Every word used in the Bible must be understood from the context it is been used.

Yalad means to bear, create, beget, born, brought forth

When it is applied to a living thing it means to give birth or beget but when it is applied to a non living thing logic should tell someone who is unbaised that it means to create or make. this is simple English that everyone understands except one that is biased.

Jehovah created Jesus, a living Spirit that is the express image of Him.

But Jehovah bore , bear, and begat mountains that are inanimate things.

How does that make sense to you?

[quote author=blueAgent post=83330541]

Since God begat Israel not literally, likewise, God born the mountains not literally.

It's intellectual dishonesty to cherry pick Deut 32:18 to suit your preconceived ideas and in the same breath discard Psalms 90:2.

SOURCE :
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3205.htm :

Pu`al
יֻלַּד Genesis 4:26 Perfect. Judges18:29 ; יֻלָּד֨ Genesis 41:50 ; יוּלָּ֑ד
Genesis 6:1. 2 Samuel 3:2 (Qr וַיִּוָָּֽלְדוּ ‏) ;ֻלָּ֑דוּ Psalm 90:2 , etc.; "


* The Hebrew words "YALAD" & "QANAH" are synonymous. Both words apply to animate and inanimate creation. Compare Gen14:19. Prov8:22. Gen4:1.

*** Yahweh is the Creator & Father of ALL...,Yahweh has no wife or orifice from which living beings come forth.
"Come out " or Come Forth" are simply idioms which reference Yahweh as the Source of Life in heaven and earth.
Yahweh CREATED All, #But man procreates.

Janosky:






Since God begat Israel not literally, likewise, God born the mountains not literally.

It's intellectual dishonesty to cherry pick Deut 32:18 to suit your preconceived ideas and in the same breath discard Psalms 90:2.

SOURCE :
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3205.htm :

Pu`al
יֻלַּד Genesis 4:26 Perfect. Judges18:29 ; יֻלָּד֨ Genesis 41:50 ; יוּלָּ֑ד
Genesis 6:1. 2 Samuel 3:2 (Qr וַיִּוָָּֽלְדוּ ‏) ;ֻלָּ֑דוּ Psalm 90:2 , etc.; "


* The Hebrew words "YALAD" & "QANAH" are synonymous. Both words apply to animate and inanimate creation. Compare Gen14:19. Prov8:22. Gen4:1.

*** Yahweh is the Creator & Father of ALL...,Yahweh has no wife or orifice from which living beings come forth.
"Come out " or Come Forth" are simply idioms which reference Yahweh as the Source of Life in heaven and earth.
Yahweh CREATED All, #But man procreates.

™ lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

"come out of-come forth from God" is not the same as "created by God"

Pro 8:22  The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 

God, of course posessed Wisdom-the Word-Jesus Christ, He didn't create Him, as john also shows

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


adam didn't come out of-come forth from Father God, God(Father and the Word) made adam from the dust of the ground

Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Gen_2:7  And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,

you way heap big fraud you

solite3:
why are you dodging the question? You are confusing yourself. You been a father of someone means someone deriving their traits or identity from you, It also has to do with symbol of authority over another. Since sinners bear the trait of satan in them it means satan is their father. God the father represent the authority of God over word who himself is the perfect reflection of the father, This has to do with roles and functions if the persons of the trinity.

The real question remains: ALL HUMANS that ever walk the earth are called children of God irrespective of their deeds or traits . In what sense are they all children ?
Pagans and sinners are called Children of God, does that mean they derive their trait from God ?

solite3:
what is the purpose of your argument? Are you not the one that said to be the son of God is the same as being created by God?
Confusion

Yes. This is why even pagans are called Gods children, agree ?

sorry Jesus is not in the inage of anyone but the very image of God, Adam was created in that image but Jesus is the very image.

Image of the Father right ? Please answer

what is ths lie there.

Hebrews 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

The word 'express image' means 'exact' without any deviation or alteration.
It means both in authority,power and character of God are reflected through him.

Image of someone else.

Image of The Father, Right ?

johnw47:



"come out of-come forth from God" is not the same as "created by God"

Pro 8:22  The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 

God, of course posessed Wisdom-the Word-Jesus Christ, He didn't create Him,


adam didn't come out of-come forth from Father God, God(Father and the Word) made adam from the dust of the ground

Johnw FRAUD,why you dey disgrace yourself?
Trinity scam removed your brain...
Johnw FRAUD, Who made the dust of the ground?

**** Vocabulary.com Dictionary ***
come forth

Definitions of
come forth
1
* COME OUT OF
Synonyms:
Come out, egress, emerge, go forth, issue

* Happen or occur as a result of something
Synonyms:
emerge
Types:

come forth or begin from a state of latency
Type of:
arise, develop, grow, ORIGINATE, rise, spring up, uprise
COME INTO EXISTENCE ; take on form or shape

**. *** Johnw FRAUD , the gene of falsehood and FRAUD theorem was embedded in your blood before you COME FORTH from the womb.

Igbo man go say "Trinity FRAUD gbuo gi dia !!!!!"

The Trinity scam removed your sense & scrubbed your brain with POO.
*Spits*

Janosky:






Since God begat Israel not literally, likewise, God born the mountains not literally.

It's intellectual dishonesty to cherry pick Deut 32:18 to suit your preconceived ideas and in the same breath discard Psalms 90:2.

SOURCE :
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3205.htm :

Pu`al
יֻלַּד Genesis 4:26 Perfect. Judges18:29 ; יֻלָּד֨ Genesis 41:50 ; יוּלָּ֑ד
Genesis 6:1. 2 Samuel 3:2 (Qr וַיִּוָָּֽלְדוּ ‏) ;ֻלָּ֑דוּ Psalm 90:2 , etc.; "


* The Hebrew words "YALAD" & "QANAH" are synonymous. Both words apply to animate and inanimate creation. Compare Gen14:19. Prov8:22. Gen4:1.

*** Yahweh is the Creator & Father of ALL...,Yahweh has no wife or orifice from which living beings come forth.
"Come out " or Come Forth" are simply idioms which reference Yahweh as the Source of Life in heaven and earth.
Yahweh CREATED All, #But man procreates.

That's false because the Bible does not allow us to make our on interpretation of words.
The word come out and come forth are not Idioms.

When we allow the Bible to explain itself we will see that God beget Jesus that explains why Jesus is called God and has God's nature .

The word begat sheds more light on the word come out and come forth that it means every single latter of what it means
You think God is a man that needs a woman and man to meet for them to bear children? that's naivety for one to limit God by using human understanding.

If God could create and design Amoeba and plants like plantains and bannana that reproduce through ASexual reproduction , that is they do not need a mate to reproduce than why is it impossible for God to procreate without a spouse?
https://sciencing.com/amoeba-reproduce-10005613.html

Janosky:






Since God begat Israel not literally, likewise, God born the mountains not literally.

It's intellectual dishonesty to cherry pick Deut 32:18 to suit your preconceived ideas and in the same breath discard Psalms 90:2.

SOURCE :
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3205.htm :

Pu`al
יֻלַּד Genesis 4:26 Perfect. Judges18:29 ; יֻלָּד֨ Genesis 41:50 ; יוּלָּ֑ד
Genesis 6:1. 2 Samuel 3:2 (Qr וַיִּוָָּֽלְדוּ ‏) ;ֻלָּ֑דוּ Psalm 90:2 , etc.; "


* The Hebrew words "YALAD" & "QANAH" are synonymous. Both words apply to animate and inanimate creation. Compare Gen14:19. Prov8:22. Gen4:1.

*** Yahweh is the Creator & Father of ALL...,Yahweh has no wife or orifice from which living beings come forth.
"Come out " or Come Forth" are simply idioms which reference Yahweh as the Source of Life in heaven and earth.
Yahweh CREATED All, #But man procreates.

So using your logic Abraham did not beget Isaac?
Matthew 1:2-17
2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob
begat Judas and his brethren;

I guess the word beget there is an Idiom

Janosky:






Since God begat Israel not literally, likewise, God born the mountains not literally.

It's intellectual dishonesty to cherry pick Deut 32:18 to suit your preconceived ideas and in the same breath discard Psalms 90:2.

SOURCE :
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3205.htm :

Pu`al
יֻלַּד Genesis 4:26 Perfect. Judges18:29 ; יֻלָּד֨ Genesis 41:50 ; יוּלָּ֑ד
Genesis 6:1. 2 Samuel 3:2 (Qr וַיִּוָָּֽלְדוּ ‏) ;ֻלָּ֑דוּ Psalm 90:2 , etc.; "


* The Hebrew words "YALAD" & "QANAH" are synonymous. Both words apply to animate and inanimate creation. Compare Gen14:19. Prov8:22. Gen4:1.

*** Yahweh is the Creator & Father of ALL...,Yahweh has no wife or orifice from which living beings come forth.
"Come out " or Come Forth" are simply idioms which reference Yahweh as the Source of Life in heaven and earth.
Yahweh CREATED All, #But man procreates.

Keep confusing yourself.

Israelites are living beings so the word beget or born means to bear or create.

But in the case of Jesus God himself told us that Jesus is his son Begotten by him and that Jesus is called God and should also be worshipped, here we have more than enough evidence to prove that Jesus was BEGOTTEN by God.

blueAgent:




That's false because the Bible does not allow us to make our on interpretation of words.
The word come out and come forth are not Idioms.

When we allow the Bible to explain itself we will see that God beget Jesus that explains why Jesus is called God and has God's nature .

The word begat sheds more light on the word come out and come forth that it means every single latter of what it means
You think God is a man that needs a woman and man to meet for them to bear children? that's naivety for one to limit God by using human understanding.

If God could create and design Amoeba and plants like plantains and bannana that reproduce through ASexual reproduction , that is they do not need a mate to reproduce than why is it impossible for God to procreate without a spouse?
https://sciencing.com/amoeba-reproduce-10005613.html

The Hebrew old testament says Jehovah begat Israel.... Bros "begat" is what it is -'begat'.
Jehovah begat the mountains.
Jehovah begat Israel.
Jehovah begat Jesus.
Bros, Jehovah CREATED them ALL.
Every life exists by creation
"Jesus Christ is "the first born of every creature", you garrit?
You are free to believe what you like Sha..
No qualms.
Shalom.

blueAgent:



Keep confusing yourself.

Israelites are living beings so the word beget or born means to bear or create.

But in the case of Jesus God himself told us that Jesus is his son Begotten by him and that Jesus is called God and should also be worshipped, here we have more than enough evidence to prove that Jesus was BEGOTTEN by God.

Bros,confusion no dey.
The only child of his parents is "only begotten", he/she is their firstborn. It's unique privilege to be firstborn or only begotten. It's never by choice.
It is in that context,the Jews understand that term.

Jesus Christ says he is a God,man too is a God. Angel is a God. Men are partakers of divine nature too.
All of them were created in the image of God.
Jehovah bestowed Power, Authority and exalted name on Jesus.
No other being was granted such privilege.

blueAgent:



So using your logic Abraham did not beget Isaac?
Matthew 1:2-17
2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob
begat Judas and his brethren;

I guess the word beget there is an Idiom

Bros, the Jews said:
Jehovah begat the mountains.
Jehovah begat Israel.
Jehovah begat Jesus.
Please, feel free to argue with them and teach them the meaning of words in their own language.
Wahala no dey.
Shalom.

Janosky:

Bros,confusion no dey.
The only child of his parents is "only begotten", he/she is their firstborn. It's unique privilege to be firstborn or only begotten. It's never by choice.
It is in that context,the Jews understand that term.

Jesus Christ says he is a God,man too is a God. Angel is a God. Men are partakers of divine nature too.
All of them were created in the image of God.
Jehovah bestowed Power, Authority and exalted name on Jesus.
No other being was granted such privilege.

when did dictionary start defining Begotten as first Son or Daughter ?

Was Isaac Abraham's first Child? but the Bible says he was BEGOTTEN by Abraham.

No we're in the Bible is Begotten referred to as been the first child of someone if that be the case the Bible would not have told us that Jesus was the First showing that he was first among many others that were Begotten.



Where in the Bible are Angels call God or are said to be in the FORM(class,nature, species) of God?

Janosky:

Bros,confusion no dey.
The only child of his parents is "only begotten", he/she is their firstborn. It's unique privilege to be firstborn or only begotten. It's never by choice.
It is in that context,the Jews understand that term.

Jesus Christ says he is a God,man too is a God. Angel is a God. Men are partakers of divine nature too.
All of them were created in the image of God.
Jehovah bestowed Power, Authority and exalted name on Jesus.
No other being was granted such privilege.

I guess they are all first born in this Bible verses according to your meaning of beget?

Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob
begat Judas and his brethren;
3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares
begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson;
and Naasson begat Salmon;
5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of
Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;
6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat
Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and
Abia begat Asa;
8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and
Joram begat Ozias;
9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and
Achaz begat Ezekias;

Janosky:

Bros, the Jews said:
Jehovah begat the mountains.
Jehovah begat Israel.
Jehovah begat Jesus.
Please, feel free to argue with them and teach them the meaning of words in their own language.
Wahala no dey.
Shalom.

beget verb
be·​get | \ bi-ˈget , bē-\
begot\ bi-​ˈgät , bē-​ \ also begat \ bi-​ˈgat , bē-​ \ ;
begotten \ bi-​ˈgä-​tᵊn , bē-​ \ or begot ; begetting
Definition of beget
transitive verb
1 : to procreate as the father : SIRE
// He died without begetting an heir.
2 : to produce especially as an effect or outgrowth
// Violence only begets more violence.
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Janosky:

The Hebrew old testament says Jehovah begat Israel.... Bros "begat" is what it is -'begat'.
Jehovah begat the mountains.
Jehovah begat Israel.
Jehovah begat Jesus.
Bros, Jehovah CREATED them ALL.
Every life exists by creation
"Jesus Christ is "the first born of every creature", you garrit?
You are free to believe what you like Sha..
No qualms.
Shalom.

In the Book of
Revelation Jesus is
called the beginning of
the creation of God.
To the angel of
the church in
Laodicea write:
the amen, the
faithful and true
witness, the
beginning of the
creation of God,
says this
(Revelation 3:14 ).
This verse has been
used to say that Jesus
was a created being.
Jesus Is The Origin Of
God's Creation
The word translated
"beginning" can also
have the meaning of
"origin." This idea is
that the creation of all
things originated with
Jesus. He is the source
of creation.
Summary
Jesus is called the
beginning of God's
creation. This does not
mean that he is a
created being. It refers to
the fact that he is the
origin of God's creation
- he is the one who
originated the creation
process.

Janosky:

The Hebrew old testament says Jehovah begat Israel.... Bros "begat" is what it is -'begat'.
Jehovah begat the mountains.
Jehovah begat Israel.
Jehovah begat Jesus.
Bros, Jehovah CREATED them ALL.
Every life exists by creation
"Jesus Christ is "the first born of every creature", you garrit?
You are free to believe what you like Sha..
No qualms.
Shalom.

Is Jesus Created?
Is Jesus God, a divine being, or is He a created being? Some
people believe that Jesus is actually a part of God's creation
and that Colossians 1:15 supports the idea that Jesus is just
a created being. Is that true? Is Jesus really a created being or
is Jesus in fact a divine being?
1.
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of
every creature : Colossians 1:15 KJV
When we read this text, the words that are used in the King
James Bible make it sound like Paul is calling Jesus a created
being: " the firstborn of every creature". So, when he says
Jesus was the firstborn of every creature, is Paul really saying
that Jesus was the first one to be created?
Lets look into this question. When we start to look around at
other versions of the Bible we can see that there is another
way to understand what Paul is saying.
New King James Version
New International Version
New English Bible
The Revised English Bible
New Century Version
Phillips
Goodspeed
15.
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all
creation. Colossians 1:15
15.
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all
creation. Colossians 1:15
15.
He is the image of the invisible God; his is the primacy over
all created things. Colossians 1:15
15.
He is the image of the invisible God; his is the primacy over
all creation . Colossians 1:15
15.
No one can see God, but Jesus Christ is exactly like him. He
ranks higher than everything that has been made. Colossians
1:15 15.
Now Christ is the visible expression of the invisible God. He
existed before creation began . Colossians 1:15
15.
He is a likeness of the unseen God, born before any creature,
Colossians 1:15
Instead of saying that Jesus was the first created being; Paul
could be saying that Jesus is over all creation, that He existed
before creation began. Does Jesus rank higher than any
created being that has ever been made? Lets look at the next
verse to see which interpretation might be correct.
1. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn
over all creation .
2. For by Him all things were created that are in
heaven and that are on earth , visible and invisible,
whether thrones or dominions or principalities or
powers. All things were created through Him and for
Him. Colossians 1:15-16. NKJV

Janosky:

The Hebrew old testament says Jehovah begat Israel.... Bros "begat" is what it is -'begat'.
Jehovah begat the mountains.
Jehovah begat Israel.
Jehovah begat Jesus.
Bros, Jehovah CREATED them ALL.
Every life exists by creation
"Jesus Christ is "the first born of every creature", you garrit?
You are free to believe what you like Sha..
No qualms.
Shalom.

You mean that God so loved the World that he gave us an Angel posing as a son.


1. "For God so loved the world that He gave His only
begotten Son , that whoever believes in Him should not
perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16.

Janosky:

The Hebrew old testament says Jehovah begat Israel.... Bros "begat" is what it is -'begat'.
Jehovah begat the mountains.
Jehovah begat Israel.
Jehovah begat Jesus.
Bros, Jehovah CREATED them ALL.
Every life exists by creation
"Jesus Christ is "the first born of every creature", you garrit?
You are free to believe what you like Sha..
No qualms.
Shalom.

John 1:3 contains two direct statements that tell us that it
was the preexistent Jesus who created all things. “All things
were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made
that was made.” Notice that John is not content to say only
that all things were made through Him, but John adds the fact
that “without Him nothing was made.”
Paul confirms exactly what John wrote: “For by Him all things
were created.” Paul goes on to make sure that we understand
what he means by all things—”that are in heaven and that are
on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or
principalities or powers. All things were created through Him
and for Him” (Colossians 1:16).
Since Jesus created all things, He could not have been one of
the “created things.” Paul then adds, so there can be no
mistake, “He is before all things, and in him all things hold
together” (Colossians 1:17 , NIV).
Dr. Norman Geisler comments: “The context of this passage
makes it clear that there are no exceptions; Christ is the
Creator of all things including angels and everything visible or
invisible. Nowhere is this made more clear that Christ is not a
creature—angelic or otherwise—than in the relation of angels
to Him. Since Christ could not be both the Creator of
everything and at the same time a creature Himself, it is
necessary to conclude that He is Himself the uncreated
Creator of all creation” ( Christian Apologetics, 1988, p. 338).
He adds a footnote: “In view of the clear teaching that Christ
is Creator and not a creature, the Arian misinterpretations of
phrases like Christ is ‘firstborn’ (Colossians 1:15 ) or ‘beginning
of creation’ (Revelation 3:14) are wrong. Christ is ‘firstborn’ in
the sense of being the unique (not created) Son of God. Christ
is first over creation, not first in it” (ibid.).
Micah 5:2 stated that the messianic King to come was “from
everlasting.” Jesus had appeared in His divine life before His
human birth as the priest-king Melchizedek (see Hebrews 7),
“having neither beginning of days nor end of life” (Micah 5:3).

blueAgent:


@1)
when did dictionary start defining Begotten as first Son or Daughter ?

Was Isaac Abraham's first Child? but the Bible says he was BEGOTTEN by Abraham.

No we're in the Bible is Begotten referred to as been the first child of someone if that be the case the Bible would not have told us that Jesus was the First showing that he was first among many others that were Begotten.

@2)

Where in the Bible are Angels call God or are said to be in the FORM(class,nature, species) of God?

Note my words:
" It's unique privilege to be firstborn or only begotten. It's never by choice."

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 3439 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
monogenhvß from (3441) and (1096)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Monogenes 4:737,606
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
mon-og-en-ace' Adjective
Definition
single of its kind, only
used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God
King James Word Usage - Total: 9
only begotten 6, only 2, only child 1"

*** (2).
What is the form/nature of everyone dwelling in heaven?
What is the form/nature of everyone dwelling on earth?
Your answer solves the popular notorious twisting of Philippians 2:6,7