WHY DO YOU HAVE A SPIRITUAL HUSBAND OR WIFE :the truth none has told you

Some people while in a prayer houses will be informed they are been disturbed by a spiritual wife or husband. Haven heard about it, he and the pastor would rush into conclusion calling it an evil spirit. Next is to start abracadabra prayers, casting and loosing to no avail – otu abụghị n’ezi. The pastor will be blowing the microphone making noise like a lunatic, the congregation belief deliverance is taken place: to no avail _ otu abụghị n’ezi.
Kill her, the pastor said.
Let her die and leave.
I asked, how possible? Is it possible I ask?
Can you kill a spirit?
Have you heard or seen where one killed a spirit if not in the church where they kill spirit with mouth and microphone, yet things remains same and sometimes get worse yet?
Now listen, let me teach you wisdom: saying the truth because truth is life _ eziokwu bụ ndụ. This is why it set the captive free. The moment you know the truth. The truth you know must surely set you free.
As a human being, use event as seen in the land of the living to judge event as seen in the spiritual realm.
Sometimes, as it’s here on earth, so it’s in the realm of spirit
As its in the spiritual realms so it’s in the physical plane.
Take for example you see a woman and engaged to her as a young man.
After some while, both of you happen to marry happily. Marriage you must remember comes upon an agreement between two opposite parties. Now, after a while, you travel to another space for a mission, another destination where you now find comfort. If you forget calling to say hi to the wife, how will she feel?
Answer!
What if you are not calling or have lost contact, passion for her and she kept looking after you?
Haven gotten to reach out to you, you pretend not knowing her and denied haven nothing to do with her.
No matter what she does, you kept pushing her away and ignore all signs and signals. What do you expect the woman to do?
Would you not do anything mad if you were in her shoes?
Of course you will!
If you can as a legitimate wife, you are not against the law if you must suffer him anyhow without wasting his life.

This is what happens between those who got married to mariners before earthly visit. Stop been fooled by Christians and their ignorant teachings.
They are spiritual ignorant. All of them whom you call man of God are ofeke in spiritual matters. They are ignorant about spiritual affairs. They are pretenders and deceivers. The reason you must be careful about their false teachings.
They only shout and make noise like lunatic. They only know how to make noise not knowing that our spiritual engagement asked for quietness, peace of mind and solitude. The very moment they should spent with wisdom are given for selfishness. The reason wisdom is far seen from them. They lack truth. They know nothing about spirituality and wisdom.
Pastors are ofeke (fools) when it comes to spiritual matters. They know absolute nothing as e dey happen in the realm of spirits. They know nothing but go on deceiving people. They must pay the prize at the end of it all. It’s written, you shall reap what you sowed. That’s to say, you shall reap deception as a deceiver.
For crying out loud, this people are not deceiving animals. They are deceiving human being.
The image of the gods.
Turning black what nature has made to be white for their selfish interests.
Causing disunity, hatred, disaster between nature and mankind, bridging the gap between spirits and mankind.
Why people suffer today!
They must reap what they sowed at the end of it all.
Wisdom shall judge them!
So what is the remedy?
this is what a spiritualist will help you do. He/she will first engage you on a spiritual consultation to know if truly you are a mariner perhaps the cause of your problems and encounter. Because it’s not necessarily mariners who encounter spiritual wives. A witch can as well manifest herself as a spiritual wife to cause ruin to someone’s life.
Nevertheless, If you are and it happens that you are suffering as a result of spiritual wife/husband, the spiritualist shall consult further, knowing what must be done.
It’s then the wife/husband will have to name his or her prize owing to your position, agreement and periodic in the marine. Hence all mariners doesn’t share same position and agreement are differently. Upon this information, he get to inform you about what to be done. No matter what, it must involve a sacrifice!
We call it marine ritual settlement – ịkwa ibu mmiri nye ndị ọgbọ na uke.
During this sacrifices you have to accept him or her back.
We call it ‘ịkwa ibu udo na abụghị ibu nkewa’ a sacrifice for peace not separation.
When properly done, he/she will assist you in all aspects of life been in union. That’s the reason for sect (i di n’otu ndị mmiri).
Odogwuakataaka: That’s to say if he is good to go. Should he/she is wicked, so jealous. We e plead him or her to accept some things which he refused. If he do, good.
If not, we can then upon ọfọ na ogu talk about separation.
This you must know asked for wisdom hence his/her stubbornness might be as a result of her workforce, duty, services to deliver.
Do you know that these mariners (marine husband and wife’s) are destiny helpers? The very reason they are sometimes filled with jealous and must be treated with caution otherwise one’s life and destiny are placed on danger zone at the cost of services in the name of deliverance. Many are suffering this today!
Know whom you run to at the cost of spiritual matters.

: A spirit such as marine wife/husband might proof stubborn owing to agreement reached before your earthly coming. When we come across such like spirit person’s, we plead with him /her to allow you enjoy your earthly life as you wish. Remember, all these are done upon agreement, I as a priest stand to negotiate this as a third party upon ritual sacrifices. It’s not a thing we do by force as seen in the churches. Shouting with a microphone to draw attention of the people, proving how much we can speak in tongues and grammars. It’s never done that way for your safety, success, happiness and longevity.
Because it’s not all about today but tomorrow: the case must be handled with care.
This is the very reason igbo adage says ‘oké dibịa gbaa àjà, ọ dịka ewere nyee ndị mmụọ n’aka’ when a great/experienced priest performed ritual exercise, it looks like the items was given hand to hand to the spirits.
The result remains positive, settling all matters and causing light on one’s path.

If you must work on spiritual ignorance to disintegrate what shouldn’t be disintegrated, the subject (human) must suffer the penalty.
One true information people lack in spiritual matters remains the fact that spirits are not at lost (loosing end) in any matter as it involve humanity. The reason you must be careful and stop playing with your spiritual life.
Haven known these, I have to state it finally that spiritual husband and wife are not evil.
If they are, that’s to say you are evil also hence you are a mariner. If you are not a mariner, you can’t get married to a mariner as a wife or husband. The difference between you and him /her is only that you had the opportunity to exist on earth as a human being after pre-existence as a mariner in waters.
The lineage continues as you bear forth children on earth: especially, a case whereby you are a mariner and your earthly husband/wife is also a mariner, all your earthly children shall be mariners.
It’s divine
It’s a nature mandate!
It’s written and can’t be changed.
You can’t change what nature has caused to be neither will you condemn it.
Who are you to judge?
Do you judge upon wisdom or ignorant?
Who are you to condemned what nature has made to be?
How many years do you have to exist here on earth?
How many years do you think these matter have lasted, involving billions of people born and yet to be born?
Is it why you are here?
All these are meant for pastors to answer.
People who dwelt on ignorant, causing ruin to people’s life and destiny.
Sending people to early graves and are happy doing that hence it put food on their table.
Judgement await us all!
Ife onye metere, o weere isi ya buru (evil men do, leave with them and after them).
Wise man think and talk about tomorrow, a fool (ofeke) talk about today.
Today has only but 24hours in it, tomorrow is indefinite.
Don’t be deceived!
WhatsApp08103253857
#echoesoftruth1.website2.me

Janosky:


In times past, Jehovah's servants offered animal sacrifices as part of their worship. Did that practice continue forever ?
Was the change wrong?

** Luke 19:11, Jesus followers believed that "THE KINGDOM OF GOD WILL APPEAR INSTANTLY"". Did it?
Jesus followers were false Christ's and false prophets nau....
They believed what Christ did not teach !
**
Christ kept teaching them what they thought they knew. **Luke 24:21,26-27,45.
They were human, made mistakes & were fallible. They learnt from their mistakes and moved on. So,did JWs ,we are not infallible. Acts1:6,7. Matt24:36.

If you are perfect, then cast the first stone,else you are a hypocrite.
Remove the rafter in your eyes before you can see the speck in JWs.

You are comparing 2 different things that have no connection.

The animal sacrifices we're instituted by God and were a shadow of things to come which is Christ.
After Christ came the animal Scarifices were done away with

But prophecy is not like that, the Bible states clear that a prophet who says something that is not true or revealed to him by God is a false prophet and should be put to death.

In prophecy there is no room for error or learning as the consequence if it fails is death.

The prophecy given by your Church failed because God is not happy with the foundation and doctrine of the Church.


Am Sure you and your Church have not learned anything from your past and you are still propagating the same false teachings and lies.

Maximus69:


Charles is NOT the founder otherwise it's just what he laid down from the start that the organization would have stand upon till now. Everyone knew quite well that almost everything Charles knew back then has been refined.!

So you've missed the target Sir.

Charles is just one of the students Jesus used to reinstall pure worship, and there is no way any imperfect student can perfectly get everything within a lifespan of just 70-80 years. That's why Jesus have been using others from where he stopped with Charles. The IDENTIFYING sign is that 'all those been used will be contributing little by little gradually to the success of pure worship until it's firmly established completely!READ
1Corinthians 13:9-10 compared with Proverbs 4:18

Just surrender my friend, you've found the one and only group Jesus is using in the end time.

So it's either you're in or you're out!

Stop claiming what you be people can never be. Jesus end time group would be people who will restore the word of God to become Paramount in our society not a feel good group.


This verse describes the end time and the Angels are carrying message to the ends of the Earth declaring that only God's word should be honoured above every other thing.


Revelation 14:6
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the
everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth,
and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

The end time group must also have the gift of prophecy (real one not imitation or learner's like your church)
Note that the gift of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus.

Revelation 19:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me,
See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren
that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the
testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

The end time Church or remnant as called by God will also keep the commandments of God and that includes the Sabbath.

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the
commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus
Christ.

You can see that all my points were backed by Bible facts this are God's word not my.

Janosky:


Gross error !!
The origin of JEHOVAH WITNESSES predated
Charles Taze Russell.
Our Origin is from Jehovah ,the God of Abraham. Isaiah 42:10-12. Exodus 3:14,15.. Our Messiah, Jesus Christ, is a Jehovah's Witness. Acts 3:13. Matt 24:14. Mark 1:14,15.
If you wish to disagree. IT IS ALLOWED.

You are a Joker.

Janosky:


Deut 32:18
"You neglected the Rock who begot you, And
forgot the God who gave you birth.

1 John5:1.

Your case is beyond the scope of JWs or NL to resolve.



Which fraud ?
You wan deny Hebrew YALAD & QANAH ?
(Go back to threads 28/29.....)
In the words of blueAgent "Jesus can still be a CREATED (born) BEING and still be the literal son of God.

Omo, see confession ! '"CREATED BEING..."
Bros Blue, ekushe oooo !
I go buy 2 bottles of orijin for you.
Shey you dey like 'shacks'?

Not my word but that of dictionary.

Synonyms for create
build
conceive
constitute
construct
design
devise
discover
establish
forge
form
found
generate
initiate
invent
make
organize
plan
produce
set up
shape
spawn
start
actualize
author
beget
coin
compose
concoct
contrive
effect
erect
fabricate
fashion
father
formulate
hatch
imagine
institute
invest
occasion
originate
parent
perform
procreate
rear
sire
bring into being
bring into existence
bring to pass
cause to be
dream up
give birth to
give life to.


https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/create

https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/create

blueAgent:



Stop claiming what you be people can never be. Jesus end time group would be people who will restore the word of God to become Paramount in our society not a feel good group.


This verse describes the end time and the Angels are carrying message to the ends of the Earth declaring that only God's word should be honoured above every other thing.


Revelation 14:6
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the
everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth,
and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

The end time group must also have the gift of prophecy (real one not imitation or learner's like your church)
Note that the gift of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus.

Revelation 19:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me,
See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren
that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the
testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

The end time Church or remnant as called by God will also keep the commandments of God and that includes the Sabbath.

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the
commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus
Christ.

You can see that all my points were backed by Bible facts this are God's word not my.

Of course you're quoting the scriptures!

But you keep quoting out of context.

Surely angels are carrying the good news of God's kingdom throughout the earth presently, but they're not the ones speaking to people Sir.

Their assignment is to guide and protect the preachers to those who are hungry for spiritual food!

It's humans that must preach to humans, you can't expect God to use creatures who are not under the rules he gave to humans to CONVINCE humans on such rules. It's humans that are living by such rules or striving to live by such rules that can adequately convince their fellow humans how to do so! Malachi 3:16-18, Matthew 28:19-20

The point we're trying to figure out now is that you're arguing against the fact that preachers of God's message can't be united as one happy family! John 17:20-23

Because God is not for confusion, he has never been associated with disorder and he will never be. 1Corinthians 14:33,40

So it's either you agree that it's Jehovah's Witnesses God is using as an organized global group of peace loving preachers and teachers or you present a better group.

That's where you're getting it all wrong Sir!

blueAgent:



(*1)
You are comparing 2 different things that have no connection.

The animal sacrifices we're instituted by God and were a shadow of things to come which is Christ.
After Christ came the animal Scarifices were done away with

(*2).
The prophecy given by your Church failed because God is not happy with the foundation and doctrine of the Church.

(*3)
Am Sure you and your Church have not learned anything from your past and you are still propagating the same false teachings and lies.

(*1).
Jehovah CHANGED the doctrine,by means of Christ sacrifice. Yes.
Jehovah is NOT averse to change. If not, all of us will not grow beyond infancy.

(*2)
You can not prophesy what you do not believe.

Luke 19:11, Jesus followers
believed that "THE KINGDOM OF GOD
WILL APPEAR INSTANTLY"". Did it?
Jesus followers were false Christ's and
false prophets nau....
They believed & prophesied what Christ did not teach !
**
Is it because God is not happy with the foundation and doctrine of the Church?

Peter lied against Jesus Christ, Is it because God is not happy with the foundation and doctrine of the Church?

*** Did Jesus Christ stop teaching them ? **Luke 24:21,26-27,45.

**** Jesus followers were human, made mistakes & were fallible. They learnt from their mistakes and moved on. So,did JWs
,we are not infallible. Acts1:6,7.

(*3).
BIG LIE. False claims.
Na which prophecy JWs done give you since you met them knocking on your door?

Brother Maamim, good morning. Where art thou been? Shalom Aleichem.

blueAgent:



(1)Stop claiming what you be people can never be.

(2)The end time group must also have the gift of prophecy (real one not imitation or learner's like your church)

(3)You can see that all my points were backed by Bible facts this are God's word not my.

Let me help you to solve the riddle Sir!

Those three comments reminds me of what befell the religionists of Jesus' day!

These religionists were fervent professors of God's laws,so they can quote the scriptures from Genesis to Malachi. They knew all the prophesies that talks about the Messiah (Christ), so they were in constant watch of any Jew who will prove to be the Messiah.

Before Jesus, there has been Jewish zealots who tried to fulfill the role of the Messiah but because they're not the real Messiah they ended up been killed and their followers scattered! Act 5:34-37

Jesus confirmed this when he said "those who came (tried to impersonate me) are thieves" John 10:8

Now that this Nazarene called Jesus showed up, the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Rabbis were in constant watch out for him perhaps he will meet up with all requirements (based on their own expectations). Jesus didn't meet up with all their expectations so they condemned him! John 9:28-29

Where did these religionists failed?

Well, they agreed that a Messiah will come out of Judah and he will meet up with the requirements of been the Christ. But they were not contented with what they can SEE with their own eyes that all other generations before them never saw! Matthew 11:20-24
Instead of them to follow Jesus with faith, they were looking for flaws and of course they'll find it (since that's what their heart desires).

Today you yourself can testify to the fact that there must be end time worshippers of the true God;

Zealously preaching and teaching throughout the earth! Matthew 28:19-20

They are to be a global family of peace loving worshippers! John 17:20-23

They're to continue dispossessing all those who listened to them of harmful weapons! Isaiah 2:1-4 compared to Matthew 26:52

They're to be noticeable by one quality (LOVE) as it permeates WITHIN their organization! John 13:34-35

They will be hated by all other religionists throughout the earth! Matthew 10:20-22, John 17:14-16

After seeing all of these you're still expecting God to open the sky and tell you "this is my organization" shey?

You're now applying your own understanding to fit in the fulfilment of the scriptures when you can't find any group meeting up with your own version of the interpretation!

Well that's what finished the religious leaders
Ieaders of Jesus' day!

I'm sorry for you! John 8:24

Judeudochukwu:
WHY DO YOU HAVE A SPIRITUAL HUSBAND OR WIFE :the truth none has told you

Some people while in a prayer houses will be informed they are been disturbed by a spiritual wife or husband. Haven heard about it, he and the pastor would rush into conclusion calling it an evil spirit. Next is to start abracadabra prayers, casting and loosing to no avail – otu abụghị n’ezi. The pastor will be blowing the microphone making noise like a lunatic, the congregation belief deliverance is taken place: to no avail _ otu abụghị n’ezi.
Kill her, the pastor said.
Let her die and leave.
I asked, how possible? Is it possible I ask?
Can you kill a spirit?
Have you heard or seen where one killed a spirit if not in the church where they kill spirit with mouth and microphone, yet things remains same and sometimes get worse yet?
Now listen, let me teach you wisdom: saying the truth because truth is life _ eziokwu bụ ndụ. This is why it set the captive free. The moment you know the truth. The truth you know must surely set you free.
As a human being, use event as seen in the land of the living to judge event as seen in the spiritual realm.
Sometimes, as it’s here on earth, so it’s in the realm of spirit
As its in the spiritual realms so it’s in the physical plane.
Take for example you see a woman and engaged to her as a young man.
After some while, both of you happen to marry happily. Marriage you must remember comes upon an agreement between two opposite parties. Now, after a while, you travel to another space for a mission, another destination where you now find comfort. If you forget calling to say hi to the wife, how will she feel?
Answer!
What if you are not calling or have lost contact, passion for her and she kept looking after you?
Haven gotten to reach out to you, you pretend not knowing her and denied haven nothing to do with her.
No matter what she does, you kept pushing her away and ignore all signs and signals. What do you expect the woman to do?
Would you not do anything mad if you were in her shoes?
Of course you will!
If you can as a legitimate wife, you are not against the law if you must suffer him anyhow without wasting his life.

This is what happens between those who got married to mariners before earthly visit. Stop been fooled by Christians and their ignorant teachings.
They are spiritual ignorant. All of them whom you call man of God are ofeke in spiritual matters. They are ignorant about spiritual affairs. They are pretenders and deceivers. The reason you must be careful about their false teachings.
They only shout and make noise like lunatic. They only know how to make noise not knowing that our spiritual engagement asked for quietness, peace of mind and solitude. The very moment they should spent with wisdom are given for selfishness. The reason wisdom is far seen from them. They lack truth. They know nothing about spirituality and wisdom.
Pastors are ofeke (fools) when it comes to spiritual matters. They know absolute nothing as e dey happen in the realm of spirits. They know nothing but go on deceiving people. They must pay the prize at the end of it all. It’s written, you shall reap what you sowed. That’s to say, you shall reap deception as a deceiver.
For crying out loud, this people are not deceiving animals. They are deceiving human being.
The image of the gods.
Turning black what nature has made to be white for their selfish interests.
Causing disunity, hatred, disaster between nature and mankind, bridging the gap between spirits and mankind.
Why people suffer today!
They must reap what they sowed at the end of it all.
Wisdom shall judge them!
So what is the remedy?
this is what a spiritualist will help you do. He/she will first engage you on a spiritual consultation to know if truly you are a mariner perhaps the cause of your problems and encounter. Because it’s not necessarily mariners who encounter spiritual wives. A witch can as well manifest herself as a spiritual wife to cause ruin to someone’s life.
Nevertheless, If you are and it happens that you are suffering as a result of spiritual wife/husband, the spiritualist shall consult further, knowing what must be done.
It’s then the wife/husband will have to name his or her prize owing to your position, agreement and periodic in the marine. Hence all mariners doesn’t share same position and agreement are differently. Upon this information, he get to inform you about what to be done. No matter what, it must involve a sacrifice!
We call it marine ritual settlement – ịkwa ibu mmiri nye ndị ọgbọ na uke.
During this sacrifices you have to accept him or her back.
We call it ‘ịkwa ibu udo na abụghị ibu nkewa’ a sacrifice for peace not separation.
When properly done, he/she will assist you in all aspects of life been in union. That’s the reason for sect (i di n’otu ndị mmiri).
Odogwuakataaka: That’s to say if he is good to go. Should he/she is wicked, so jealous. We e plead him or her to accept some things which he refused. If he do, good.
If not, we can then upon ọfọ na ogu talk about separation.
This you must know asked for wisdom hence his/her stubbornness might be as a result of her workforce, duty, services to deliver.
Do you know that these mariners (marine husband and wife’s) are destiny helpers? The very reason they are sometimes filled with jealous and must be treated with caution otherwise one’s life and destiny are placed on danger zone at the cost of services in the name of deliverance. Many are suffering this today!
Know whom you run to at the cost of spiritual matters.

: A spirit such as marine wife/husband might proof stubborn owing to agreement reached before your earthly coming. When we come across such like spirit person’s, we plead with him /her to allow you enjoy your earthly life as you wish. Remember, all these are done upon agreement, I as a priest stand to negotiate this as a third party upon ritual sacrifices. It’s not a thing we do by force as seen in the churches. Shouting with a microphone to draw attention of the people, proving how much we can speak in tongues and grammars. It’s never done that way for your safety, success, happiness and longevity.
Because it’s not all about today but tomorrow: the case must be handled with care.
This is the very reason igbo adage says ‘oké dibịa gbaa àjà, ọ dịka ewere nyee ndị mmụọ n’aka’ when a great/experienced priest performed ritual exercise, it looks like the items was given hand to hand to the spirits.
The result remains positive, settling all matters and causing light on one’s path.

If you must work on spiritual ignorance to disintegrate what shouldn’t be disintegrated, the subject (human) must suffer the penalty.
One true information people lack in spiritual matters remains the fact that spirits are not at lost (loosing end) in any matter as it involve humanity. The reason you must be careful and stop playing with your spiritual life.
Haven known these, I have to state it finally that spiritual husband and wife are not evil.
If they are, that’s to say you are evil also hence you are a mariner. If you are not a mariner, you can’t get married to a mariner as a wife or husband. The difference between you and him /her is only that you had the opportunity to exist on earth as a human being after pre-existence as a mariner in waters.
The lineage continues as you bear forth children on earth: especially, a case whereby you are a mariner and your earthly husband/wife is also a mariner, all your earthly children shall be mariners.
It’s divine
It’s a nature mandate!
It’s written and can’t be changed.
You can’t change what nature has caused to be neither will you condemn it.
Who are you to judge?
Do you judge upon wisdom or ignorant?
Who are you to condemned what nature has made to be?
How many years do you have to exist here on earth?
How many years do you think these matter have lasted, involving billions of people born and yet to be born?
Is it why you are here?
All these are meant for pastors to answer.
People who dwelt on ignorant, causing ruin to people’s life and destiny.
Sending people to early graves and are happy doing that hence it put food on their table.
Judgement await us all!
Ife onye metere, o weere isi ya buru (evil men do, leave with them and after them).
Wise man think and talk about tomorrow, a fool (ofeke) talk about today.
Today has only but 24hours in it, tomorrow is indefinite.
Don’t be deceived!
WhatsApp08103253857
#echoesoftruth1.website2.me

How is this related to this thread?

Barristter07:


Silly of you to say " IF " when your own link says otheriwse. Here it is again.


From that link :

" Acts 17:28-29 , for example, says that all men are "God's children," specifically in that God "made the world and all things in it" ( Acts 17:24 ) "


Its impossible for me to answer you when your IF question has not been Cleared by you, Do you agree with your link and the BIBLE that everybody is a child of God ?

Answer that first, then we proceed. Not my opinion but biblical fact . so let me know your stand first

This one thinks that his jehovah will come murde/destroy/slaughter billions of worldly/wicked/evil/unrighteous/pagans/non jws so he can live forever on paradise earth.

Last last na thinking every thing go end. It will still remain only inside your head. You will die thinking about it just like your founding fathers. Na cycle.

Janosky:


Gross error !!
The origin of JEHOVAH WITNESSES predated
Charles Taze Russell.
Our Origin is from Jehovah ,the God of Abraham. Isaiah 42:10-12. Exodus 3:14,15.. Our Messiah, Jesus Christ, is a Jehovah's Witness. Acts 3:13. Matt 24:14. Mark 1:14,15.
If you wish to disagree. IT IS ALLOWED.

I no fit laugh jehovah witnesses as a name was coined by Rutherford in 1935. Lol. You can't even handle the fact that your founding father is Charles Russell taze. Lol

This one doesn't even know Christians are Jesus witnesses according to the bible lol.


You will die while waiting for armageddon to come so your jehovah can destroy all human government just like your founding fathers died waiting.


It will only happen in your watctower magazines and inside your head. Don't die of depression o when you finally realise watchtower is scamming you.

Watchtower say armageddon is coming whereas they built new headquarters.

Watchtower organisation will tell you not to worry about and prepare for the future here on earth because
Armageddon is coming and you will live forever on paradise earth whereas they built new headquarters and keep planning for the future of their organisation/publishing company. Lol

Maximus69:


Let me help you to solve the riddle Sir!

Those three comments reminds me of what befell the religionists of Jesus' day!

These religionists were fervent professors of God's laws,so they can quote the scriptures from Genesis to Malachi. They knew all the prophesies that talks about the Messiah (Christ), so they were in constant watch of any Jew who will prove to be the Messiah.

Before Jesus, there has been Jewish zealots who tried to fulfill the role of the Messiah but because they're not the real Messiah they ended up been killed and their followers scattered! Act 5:34-37

Jesus confirmed this when he said "those who came (tried to impersonate me) are thieves" John 10:8

Now that this Nazarene called Jesus showed up, the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Rabbis were in constant watch out for him perhaps he will meet up with all requirements (based on their own expectations). Jesus didn't meet up with all their expectations so they condemned him! John 9:28-29

Where did these religionists failed?

Well, they agreed that a Messiah will come out of Judah and he will meet up with the requirements of been the Christ. But they were not contented with what they can SEE with their own eyes that all other generations before them never saw! Matthew 11:20-24
Instead of them to follow Jesus with faith, they were looking for flaws and of course they'll find it (since that's what their heart desires).

Today you yourself can testify to the fact that there must be end time worshippers of the true God;

Zealously preaching and teaching throughout the earth! Matthew 28:19-20

They are to be a global family of peace loving worshippers! John 17:20-23

They're to continue dispossessing all those who listened to them of harmful weapons! Isaiah 2:1-4 compared to Matthew 26:52

They're to be noticeable by one quality (LOVE) as it permeates WITHIN their organization! John 13:34-35

They will be hated by all other religionists throughout the earth! Matthew 10:20-22, John 17:14-16

After seeing all of these you're still expecting God to open the sky and tell you "this is my organization" shey?

You're now applying your own understanding to fit in the fulfilment of the scriptures when you can't find any group meeting up with your own version of the interpretation!

Well that's what finished the religious leaders
Ieaders of Jesus' day!

I'm sorry for you! John 8:24

My friend the yardstick to know who is God's end time church or people, is not up to us to decide but God himself had given us the template of what an end time remnant Church would be like and unfortunately your church and it's doctrines is not qualified.

Janosky:


(*1).
Jehovah CHANGED the doctrine,by means of Christ sacrifice. Yes.
Jehovah is NOT averse to change. If not, all of us will not grow beyond infancy.

(*2)
You can not prophesy what you do not believe.

Luke 19:11, Jesus followers
believed that "THE KINGDOM OF GOD
WILL APPEAR INSTANTLY"". Did it?
Jesus followers were false Christ's and
false prophets nau....
They believed & prophesied what Christ did not teach !
**
Is it because God is not happy with the foundation and doctrine of the Church?

Peter lied against Jesus Christ, Is it because God is not happy with the foundation and doctrine of the Church?

*** Did Jesus Christ stop teaching them ? **Luke 24:21,26-27,45.

**** Jesus followers were human, made mistakes & were fallible. They learnt from their mistakes and moved on. So,did JWs
,we are not infallible. Acts1:6,7.

(*3).
BIG LIE. False claims.
Na which prophecy JWs done give you since you met them knocking on your door?

Since you know that you guys are not infallible why not accept the fact that you and your church are also wrong on this issue of the relationship/sonship of Jesus and his father, do you have to wait for 100hundred years for you to relize and acknowledge that you were wrong just as other prophecies your Church gave in the past were wrong?

Maximus69:


Of course you're quoting the scriptures!

But you keep quoting out of context.

Surely angels are carrying the good news of God's kingdom throughout the earth presently, but they're not the ones speaking to people Sir.

Their assignment is to guide and protect the preachers to those who are hungry for spiritual food!

It's humans that must preach to humans, you can't expect God to use creatures who are not under the rules he gave to humans to CONVINCE humans on such rules. It's humans that are living by such rules or striving to live by such rules that can adequately convince their fellow humans how to do so! Malachi 3:16-18, Matthew 28:19-20

The point we're trying to figure out now is that you're arguing against the fact that preachers of God's message can't be united as one happy family! John 17:20-23

Because God is not for confusion, he has never been associated with disorder and he will never be. 1Corinthians 14:33,40

So it's either you agree that it's Jehovah's Witnesses God is using as an organized global group of peace loving preachers and teachers or you present a better group.

That's where you're getting it all wrong Sir!

There is no point in your church going house to house to preach to people when what they are teaching is contrary to the word of God.

blueAgent:




My friend the yardstick to know who is God's end time church or people, is not up to us to decide but God himself had given us the template of what an end time remnant Church would be like and unfortunately your church and it's doctrines is not qualified.

Exactly what the alliance of religious groups in Judaea kept telling Jesus and his followers{John 9:28, Act 24:5} yet the Christians kept telling all of them "if you're not with us, you can't see God's kingdom" {Act 2:38} nobody can be saved if not a member of the group that followed Jesus!

It's just a pity that God will never fail to ORGANIZE his own people as (one big happy family [group] of peace loving worshippers).

It's either;
(1) You join the one you can SEE performing.
(2) Organise another group to perform better. or
(3) Condemn all including the fine job that God's holy spirit did for organizing people of all the nations under one umbrella!

So suit yourself!

blueAgent:


There is no point in your church going house to house to preach to people when what they are teaching is contrary to the word of God.

"BY THEIR FRUIT" says Jesus! Matthew 7:15

Hmmmmmmmmm, Jehovah's Witnesses are able to;

~Unite people from all the nations under one umbrella! Isaiah 2:1-4

~Organize all their members to participate in active preaching and teaching! Matthew 28:19-20

~Destroy Politics and Racism in their midst! John 17:14-16

~Bound together in LOVE! John 13:34-35


~Penetrate all nations even amidst world's most Racist and polygamist countries like Arabs, making them monogamists and part of the global family! Matthew 19:4-6, Ephesians 5:33, 1Timothy 3:2, Titus 1:6

~Stand out as the only group with a totally different ideology, to attract hatred from all others! Matthew 10:20-22, John 17:14-16

Of course it's obvious to all honest hearted and sincere observers that what they are teaching is contrary to the word of God as they're able to cultivate amongst themselves LOVE, JOY, PEACE, LONG SUFFERING, GENTLENESS, GOODNESS, FAITH, MEEKNESS and TEMPERANCE! Galatians 5:22-23

Jesus said "grapes don't grow from thorns and figs won't grow from thistles" Matthew 7:16

It's just ironic how Satan could perform so excellently in the fields that belong ONLY to God's holy spirit! Luke 12:10

Maximus69:


"BY THEIR FRUIT" says Jesus! Matthew 7:15

Hmmmmmmmmm, Jehovah's Witnesses are able to;

~Unite people from all the nations under one umbrella! Isaiah 2:1-4

~Organize all their members to participate in active preaching and teaching! Matthew 28:19-20

~Destroy Politics and Racism in their midst! John 17:14-16

~Bound together in LOVE! John 13:34-35


~Penetrate all nations even amidst world's most Racist and polygamist countries like Arabs, making them monogamists and part of the global family! Matthew 19:4-6, Ephesians 5:33, 1Timothy 3:2, Titus 1:6

~Stand out as the only group with a totally different ideology, to attract hatred from all others! Matthew 10:20-22, John 17:14-16

Of course it's obvious to all honest hearted and sincere observers that what they are teaching is contrary to the word of God as they're able to cultivate amongst themselves LOVE, JOY, PEACE, LONG SUFFERING, GENTLENESS, GOODNESS, FAITH, MEEKNESS and TEMPERANCE! Galatians 5:22-23

Jesus said "grapes don't grow from thorns and figs won't grow from thistles" Matthew 7:16

It's just ironic how Satan could perform so excellently in the fields that belong ONLY to God's holy spirit! Luke 12:10

You keep emphasizing your word instead of God's word.

God would only reward those who keep his word and commandments and not people who go around teaching there on doctrine and word.

Maximus69:


Exactly what the alliance of religious groups in Judaea kept telling Jesus and his followers{John 9:28, Act 24:5} yet the Christians kept telling all of them "if you're not with us, you can't see God's kingdom" {Act 2:38} nobody can be saved if not a member of the group that followed Jesus!

It's just a pity that God will never fail to ORGANIZE his own people as (one big happy family [group] of peace loving worshippers).

It's either;
(1) You join the one you can SEE performing.
(2) Organise another group to perform better. or
(3) Condemn all including the fine job that God's holy spirit did for organizing people of all the nations under one umbrella!

So suit yourself!

I have no interest in joining your church or forming a group for the seek of having fame,money, population or recognition.

blueAgent:



You keep emphasizing your word instead of God's word.

God would only reward those who keep his word and commandments and not people who go around teaching there on doctrine and word.

Is it the watchtower publications or Bible that i've been quoting to prove how God(LOVE) is bearing WITNESS amongst Jehovah's Witnesses? John 8:18 compared to John 10:25-26

Once again you've just repeated exactly what the Pharisees said to criticise the efficacy of God's holy spirit! Mark 3:22

So may God have mercy on your soul! John 3:19

blueAgent:


I have no interest in joining your church or forming a group for the seek of having fame,money, population or recognition.

You don't need to join! Luke 11:23

But you can't blur the sight of honest hearted and sincere observers not to SEE the light for themselves! Matthew 5:14-16 John 8:32

Maximus69:


You don't need to join! Luke 11:23

But you can't blur the sight of honest hearted and sincere observers not to SEE the light for themselves! Matthew 5:14-16 John 8:32

Rather than blur the sight of people, I am drawing people's attention and pointing them to the path of truth.


Even Jeremiah

Maximus69:


You don't need to join! Luke 11:23

But you can't blur the sight of honest hearted and sincere observers not to SEE the light for themselves! Matthew 5:14-16 John 8:32

Rather than blur the sight of people, I am drawing people's attention and pointing them to the path of truth.


Great prophets like Jeremiah faced the same challenges that is prevalent today, were truth is not popular but lies is accepted it was so bad that he cried out to God.

Jeremiah 19:20
You deceived[ b] me, Lord, and I was deceived[ c ];
you overpowered me and prevailed.
I am ridiculed all day long;
everyone mocks me.
8
Whenever I speak, I cry out
proclaiming violence and destruction.
So the word of the Lord has brought me
insult and reproach all day long.
9
But if I say, “I will not mention his word
or speak anymore in his name,”
his word is in my heart like a fire,
a fire shut up in my bones.
I am weary of holding it in;
indeed, I cannot.
10
I hear many whispering,
“Terror on every side!
Denounce him! Let’s denounce him!”
All my friends
are waiting for me to slip, saying,
“Perhaps he will be deceived;
then we will prevail over him
and take our revenge on him.”
11
But the Lord is with me like a mighty warrior;
so my persecutors will stumble and not prevail.
They will fail and be thoroughly disgraced;
their dishonor will never be forgotten.
12
Lord Almighty, you who examine the righteous
and probe the heart and mind,
let me see your vengeance on them,
for to you I have committed my cause.
13
Sing to the Lord!
Give praise to the Lord!
He rescues the life of the needy
from the hands of the wicked.
14
Cursed be the day I was born!
May the day my mother bore me not be blessed!
15
Cursed be the man who brought my father the news,
who made him very glad, saying,
“A child is born to you—a son!”
16
May that man be like the towns
the Lord overthrew without pity.
May he hear wailing in the morning,
a battle cry at noon.
17
For he did not kill me in the womb,
with my mother as my grave,
her womb enlarged forever.
18
Why did I ever come out of the womb
to see trouble and sorrow
and to end my days in shame?

Maximus69:

Is it the watchtower publications or Bible that i've been quoting to prove how God(LOVE) is bearing WITNESS amongst Jehovah's Witnesses? John 8:18 compared to John 10:25-26

Once again you've just repeated exactly what the Pharisees said to criticise the efficacy of God's holy spirit! Mark 3:22

So may God have mercy on your soul! John 3:19

Quoting Bible verses out of context to suit your preconcieved beliefs does not make it right and is not acceptable to God.

blueAgent:


Since you know that you guys are not infallible why not accept the fact that you and your church are also wrong on this issue of the relationship/sonship of Jesus and his father?

* Malachi 3:1*
"Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall
prepare the way before me; and the Lord
whom ye seek will suddenly come to his
temple, and the Angel of the covenant,
whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh,
saith Jehovah of hosts."


* The truth is obvious.....

Janosky:

* Malachi 3:1* "Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts."

* The truth is obvious.....

Really?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

blueAgent:



Rather than blur the sight of people, I am drawing people's attention and pointing them to the path of truth.


Great prophets like Jeremiah faced the same challenges that is prevalent today, were truth is not popular but lies is accepted it was so bad that he cried out to God.

Jeremiah 19:20
You deceived[ b] me, Lord, and I was deceived[ c ];
you overpowered me and prevailed.
I am ridiculed all day long;
everyone mocks me.
8
Whenever I speak, I cry out
proclaiming violence and destruction.
So the word of the Lord has brought me
insult and reproach all day long.
9
But if I say, “I will not mention his word
or speak anymore in his name,”
his word is in my heart like a fire,
a fire shut up in my bones.
I am weary of holding it in;
indeed, I cannot.
10
I hear many whispering,
“Terror on every side!
Denounce him! Let’s denounce him!”
All my friends
are waiting for me to slip, saying,
“Perhaps he will be deceived;
then we will prevail over him
and take our revenge on him.”
11
But the Lord is with me like a mighty warrior;
so my persecutors will stumble and not prevail.
They will fail and be thoroughly disgraced;
their dishonor will never be forgotten.
12
Lord Almighty, you who examine the righteous
and probe the heart and mind,
let me see your vengeance on them,
for to you I have committed my cause.
13
Sing to the Lord!
Give praise to the Lord!
He rescues the life of the needy
from the hands of the wicked.
14
Cursed be the day I was born!
May the day my mother bore me not be blessed!
15
Cursed be the man who brought my father the news,
who made him very glad, saying,
“A child is born to you—a son!”
16
May that man be like the towns
the Lord overthrew without pity.
May he hear wailing in the morning,
a battle cry at noon.
17
For he did not kill me in the womb,
with my mother as my grave,
her womb enlarged forever.
18
Why did I ever come out of the womb
to see trouble and sorrow
and to end my days in shame?

Jeremiah served as a prophet when Israelites WEREN'T MEETING UP WITH EXPECTATIONS SIR!

Today, all eyes can see that the 9 qualities of the holy spirit is permeating a group that's global.

To illustrate;

A manufacturer made a machine with the instructional manual on how to assemble it. If it is set correctly everyone will see all the functions of the machine. Thousands of customers bought this machine and tried to couple it but it's not functioning at all talkless seeing it's performance.
Then a customer bought the same machine, took it home and after some times he was able to assemble it, the machine did not only functioned but performed excellently.
Then one of the other customers began criticizing the one who assembled it saying "he did not couple it correctly!"
Please do you think such complaint makes any sense?

God is the manufacturer of his word (Bible), all the religious groups on earth claiming Christians are the customers who bought the machine, Jehovah's Witnesses organization is that single customer whose setting of the machine performed excellently, you and others like you are the complainants saying "Jehovah's witnesses are wrong with their teaching (assembling of the machine).
So just as Jesus said, if it wasn't correctly assembled it can never function talkless these obvious excellent performance! Matthew 7:17
"Grapes can't grow on thorn, and thistles will never grow figs" Matthew 7:16

God bless you Sir!

blueAgent:



Quoting Bible verses out of context to suit your preconcieved beliefs does not make it right and is not acceptable to God.

It's just funny as you keep saying "it's not acceptable to God", yet their doctrine is able to yield all the 9 qualities of God's holy spirit amongst them! Galatians 5:22-23 compared to John 9:30-31
All eyes can SEE that LOVE {GOD according to 1John 4:8} is actively permeating their midst! John 13:34-35
Dear

Professor,
Pastor,
Reverend,
Most Senior Apostle,
Prophet,
Superintendent,
Dr BlueAgent.
All protocols duly observed,
You're 100% right Sir!

Maximus69:


It's just funny as you keep saying "it's not acceptable to God", yet their doctrine is able to yield all the 9 qualities of God's holy spirit amongst them! Galatians 5:22-23 compared to John 9:30-31
All eyes can SEE that LOVE {GOD according to 1John 4:8} is actively permeating their midst! John 13:34-35
Dear

Professor,
Pastor,
Reverend,
Most Senior Apostle,
Prophet,
Superintendent,
Dr BlueAgent.
All protocols duly observed,
You're 100% right Sir!

Only the word of God matters, all this feel good and qualities you mentioned are not percuilar to JW, they are found in all denomination,and even among Christains like Atheists,new the movement e.t.c

blueAgent:




Only the word of God matters, all this feel good and qualities you mentioned are not percuilar to JW, they are found in all denomination,and even among Christains like Atheists,new the movement e.t.c

If true LOVE is found in all the different religious groups claiming Christians with their conflicting teachings and contradicting doctrines, when the Bible specifically said LOVE will be scarce throughout the earth {2Timothy 3:1-5} except amongst Jesus' true followers {John 13:34-35} you even claimed you can SEE LOVE in action amongst atheists who don't even believe in God (LOVE) at all!
Surely, something is wrong somewhere!

So it's either you don't agree with the Bible's definition of LOVE or God's word (Bible) is not reliable!

blueAgent:



Really?

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.

John 1:14
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we
beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the
Father, full of grace and truth.

*Psalms 8:5 Lexicon
"YOU MADE HIM A LITTLE
וַתְּחַסְּרֵ֣הוּ (wat·tə·ḥas·sə·rê·hū)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Piel - Consecutive
imperfect - second person masculine
singular | third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 2637: To lack, need, be
lacking, decrease
LOWER
מְּ֭עַט (mə·‘aṭ)
Adjective - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 4592: A little, fewness, a
few
THAN THE ANGELS;
מֵאֱלֹהִ֑ים (mê·’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Preposition-m | Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: gods -- the supreme
God, magistrates, a superlative."

****
* Psalms 8:5 "THE ANGELS are (mê·’ĕ·lō·hîm) or divine beings. 1Sam28:13.
Jesus Christ is Elohim or divine being. Jesus Christ the son of God is a divine being. John 10:34-36.

*John1:1 Jesus Christ is NOT " ho theon". But the Logos is of divine nature.
Yahweh his Father exalted Jesus above other sons of God. Hebrew 1:1-6,9.
The only son exalted above other sons of his Father. Hebrew 11:17,18.

Janosky:


*Psalms 8:5 Lexicon
"YOU MADE HIM A LITTLE
וַתְּחַסְּרֵ֣הוּ (wat·tə·ḥas·sə·rê·hū)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Piel - Consecutive
imperfect - second person masculine
singular | third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 2637: To lack, need, be
lacking, decrease
LOWER
מְּ֭עַט (mə·‘aṭ)
Adjective - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 4592: A little, fewness, a
few
THAN THE ANGELS;
מֵאֱלֹהִ֑ים (mê·’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Preposition-m | Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: gods -- the supreme
God, magistrates, a superlative."

****
* Psalms 8:5 "THE ANGELS are (mê·’ĕ·lō·hîm) or divine beings. 1Sam28:13.
Jesus Christ is Elohim or divine being. Jesus Christ the son of God is a divine being. John 10:34-36.

*John1:1 Jesus Christ is NOT " ho theon". But the Logos is of divine nature.
Yahweh his Father exalted Jesus above other sons of God. Hebrew 1:1-6,9.
The only son exalted above other sons of his Father. Hebrew 11:17,18.

All these na palavah!

If he says JWs aren't getting things right, there are just three options!
(1) Search for and join if possible a better performing group than Jehovah's Witnesses.

(2) Start gathering followers to preach and teach effectively, what Jesus laid down.

(3) Condemn all and take up atheism.

Outside these three, he is just making NOISE!