₦airaland Forum

Yujin:
Lol. Contrary to your expectation, I'll always remain vigilante to smoke out snakes like you. You have failed and will continue to fail. I don't seek relevance because I'm already relevant. My words carry weight because they're full of life. Mr. Impostor, know that the end of your people's oppression is near. Nothing you do will stop it. Death to this evil contraption.

No time reading nonsense.

next.

pazienza:
Benin City has always been an administrative headquarters of multi ethnic entities. Be it multiethnic Bini empire, Midwest, Bendel and now multiethnic Edo state.

I have always suspected that Igbo people had links to modern day Edo States.

I believe i mentioned dat here, wen refering to Ebira language being similar in sound to Igbo and wondered if Igbo split into two group with one coming from the west of Kogi and Edo to settle in Delta North and the other coming from the East to settle in present day Umueri.


Evidently, Enugu people celebrate igodo festival and the founder of Ndiigbo is called Eri.


I recently discovered that the first ever King of Benin was Igodo and his son/sucessor was Ere.


Apparently, back then in Edo, the Kingdom of Idu was multi-ethnic with various group producing the King.



Yet again, the word Idu is central to Kingship in Alaigbo.


A title is not complete without the word Idu, such as Idu Ezeudo etc...


Also, the present day Bini were refered to as Igodomigodo people. The word bini and Edo or Ado were introduced recently.


I further notice a great number of dem feel comfortable wearing our Isi Agu cultural attire.


Very interesting history.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_Ogiso

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Nowenuse:
You are not an IPob, well form your own group so that the world knows who you are, let's see how many followers you get.
I may not like everything that Nnamdi Kanu is doing, but I support him passively. I have a soft spot for him and possibly in the future, my passive support may change to a very active one.
If I can't join him, I will create mine and probably partner with him since we have similar interests.

People like you can never be successful leaders of a country because you will just lead your people to early destruction.

I am not in anyway begging Igbos for an alliance or wish Igbos begged anyone for an alliance.

However, common sense should tell us, as well as history has showed us that even the worst enemies become allies when their interests are alligned.

The West saw to the dissolution and destruction of the Ottoman empire, but for many decades and till today, Turkey and the West have become best of friends. Why? Because of Russia. They have a common threat in Russia.

USA nuked hundreds of thousands of Japanese to death, but today Japan & USA are lovers. Why? A common threat in China.

Islamic terrorism sponsoring PAKISTAN and muslim persecuting CHINA today are bedfellows. Why? A common threat in India.

Only emotional sissies think they cannot work with people who have similar interests with them because these people have hurt them in the past. Leaders of nations do not think in this petty manner.

One thing I have noticed about many Igbos is that some of you are not practical. You are too emotional. You allow emotions lead you more than practicality.

Fulanis know that on their own they cannot dominate Nigeria, this was why they latched on Hausas in a form of symbiotic relationship. Most of us think it is a purely parasitic relationship which the fulanis are the sole beneficiaries, but it is actually a symbiotic one.

With the Hausas, the Hausa-fulani alliance now comands like 30% of Nigeria. They know it still isn't enough, hence they use Islam and regionalism and with this they almost command 50% or more of Nigeria.

Even at this, they know it still isn't enough and this is why they are always looking for allies in the south and will do everything to make sure the Yorubas & Igbos never unite.

I often wondered how come we never hear anything like Hausa women association, Fulani traders group, Hausa students association or Hausa national group. It is always we AREWA or we NORTH or we MUSLIMS.
Whenever these people talk or do things, they never mention their ethnic groups. It is always a regional or religious identity that groups many people together.

Kanuris use to hate and disagree with Hausa-fulani right from history where they defeated Danfodio, but today, even they have been absorbed into the we AREWA or we MUSLIMS identity.

This is the way these people get their power. It is not magic or science fiction.

World politics from all the continents has shown us that a group of people (minority) in a country who are just 10- 20% of the country can make all the noise they want, but they will forever remain suppressed and even silenced in some cases unless if they have a stronger neighbour or international power backing them.

Igbos on their own are just around 20% of Nigeria. This is why I just look and shake my head when some of them threaten to pull down Nigeria and get Biafra with so much hopes, telling you that Biafra is coming tomorrow .
Without any other allies in the country, without a supporting neighbouring country and without an international superpower. Without even the political power of your region.
Only God knows how they intend to do that. Some think it will happen by reaching out to the UN. When some countries in charge of the UN have their own minorities they suppress & silence to keep their countries one.

Had it been Igbo land was even like the SS that has a very large coastline and difficult terrain (swampy creeks & islands), or like the Middlebelt with very large swathes of lands with difficult terrain (mountains), it could have been very advantageous to you guys if you declare war on Nigeria.
Igbo land on the other hand is a very small and landlocked region where almost all the towns are connected and can easily be rounded up within a short period.

Even when the agitating minority of a country are up to 30% of the country, they can still be suppressed.
However, when it gets to 40 or 50% it becomes a very big problem. How does one nation suppress half of it's population succesfully?

I have seen that Nigeria the way it is, it is not favorable for my people and if things continue this way, we may also tow the part of seccession.
On our own, this would be very impossible. Hence we will look for allies within and outside Nigeria and try to take charge of the politics in our region. Very simple solution. Not by being unnecessarily emotional.

We have our landmass to use to our advantage, but we do not have access to the sea and this is one thing that will kill us easily, unless Cameroon is fully by our side.
This is why we must seek alliance with the SS & SE if we must ever achieve our aims.

Igbos on your own you can never shake or even scratch Nigeria one bit. You can only make noise. And with the way things are going sef, that ability to make noise within Nigeria could be taken away.

Yorubas have found love with the core-north and not until there is a bitter divorce, they will never make a move of self assertion.
The only possible allies of Igbos within Nigeria are the Niger-deltans & middlebelters/christian northernerns.
Politically, the 3 of us have been voting in one direction for the last couple of years. We all have bad relationship with the core-north. We are mostly christians.
We ourselves, we are not the best of friends, we have our differences with each other, but if we have common interests, there is every gain in exploring this, instead of us to keep dwelling on bitter pasts while the caliphate grows every day in population.
Very soon, with our lower birthrates and emigration, the caliphate will grow so large in population that with our without anybody else, they will win elections and nothing will happen.

Then, all this yanga we are making now of who to vote and who not to vote, who to like and who to dislike will be gone.

My advice to you Pazienza is not to be an agent to aid the final destruction of your people. Common sense is not always common.
Igbos and other people must not be soulmates for them to work together. As long as they have common interests, they can work together.

John Danfulani, a renowned leader of Southern Kaduna people went to Nnamdi Kanu 2 years ago to say his people will join Biafra. Kanu accepted him.
There are 5 million indigenes of Southern Kaduna and none of them came out to criticize or antagonize John Danfulani.

If all middlebelt tribes or even only the christian ones unite for a cause behind Biafra or seccession with another name, most Niger deltans will join the cause too, cause their fears of an Igbo dominated Biafra will fly out the window.

Now, the combination of a middlebelt with large landmass, a Niger delta with large coastline/sea access and SE with large population and individual capital.
Nigeria can never stop such a movement. It would be impossible. Don't be an obstacle to such a union, because with the way things are going in Nigeria, it will happen very soon.


Cc Yujin, oilPUSSY, selemempe, gidygiddy

Hmmmm.

Interesting points u made up there. But you don't need to blame Pazienza for seeking Biafra without minorities..
Yes some SS minorities are pro Biafra but whether they are in minority or majority is what I can't tell..

Here are the disadvantages of having minorities in Biafra..

Igbos will bend and compromise a lot of things to please these minorities hence giving rise to production of half baked bread instead of merit ( Another mini Nigeria has been created because minorities will start demanding for quota system which makes a system unworkable) Failing to bend to their rules will justify the perception they have on Igbos which is dominance even though its a wrong perception because we dominated the military and civil service before the war despite not being the largest ethnic group in Nigeria.. We dominated those days because everthing was based on merit unlike what is obtainable today.

Again,Some of them have allowed their souls to be poisoned by outsiders by buying and believing a lot of lies and propaganda against Igbo's, meaning that if we share country with them, these people won't stop suspecting every movement we make which is very bad for a nation that intends to move forward.

Having only Igbo nation gives rise to faster development and zero corruption. Faster development in the sense that everything would be done in Igbo language both in teachings, public gathering etc. We won't bend our language to accommodate anyone. That is the beauty of a Nation

Zero corruption means that an Igbo man will jail an Igbo man if found guilty.. But if you share a country with Minorities, my dear the day an Igbo man arrest minority and jail him ehhh ...You should know the rest of the story.. That day minorities will spend the rest of their lives accusing Igbo's for many unprintable things.

Don't blame Pazienza because some of these minorities are annoying especially some particular section of SS minorities.. There are some minorities in SS region that have no problem with Igbos ( Though few of them are Igbophobic from that axis )

So when you see some Igbo's seeking for Biafra with only Igbo's, you should ask the reason why..

Or is it about the insult they dish out all the time accusing Igbo's what they did and the ones they didn't ?.. If you are a patriotic Igbo man won't you quickly disassociate yourself from those people ?.. See eh, I used to see all SS minorities as one of my own until I started reading and found out that they don't see me the way I see them, unfortunately 70 percent of Igbo's see all SS minorities as brothers.. That's sad.

If I must align with minorities in SS, I know the group I would align with and know the ones I will kick out without having a second thought. Even that group in SS I would align with, total trust issue must be addressed (IF)

Mind you, when you hear me saying SS, I excluded SS Igbo's. I was referring to minorities.


Then coming to NC, when Nnamdi KANU included Benue in Biafra we all saw their madnesses... Some one even made statement like. "Its like these IPOB clowns don't know the main people that fought for one Nigeria?, they should not try that nonsense again" this is a statement coming from the so called Christians.. If you are a patriotic Igbo man what would you do ?.. Won't you seek for an Igbo Nation alone ?
Yes some Tiv people visited Nnamdi KANU in Abia in 2017 , but what the opinion of the majority of their kinsmen concerning Biafra ?.. If not because of Fulani menace recently do you think any middle belt man would like to form any alliance with Igbo's despite the fact that they share common thing with Igbo's which is Christianity ?
I doubt !.. They would still get stuck in the @$$ of their oppressors that they share nothing in common with.

You know me personally as a SE, SS and MD belt Christian unity advocate, but that doesn't mean that we won't pin out some faults when its necessary... You self couldn't not even hide your Igbophobia that's smelling on some of your comments.

To me I believe that success could be achieved easier through the unity of the aforementioned regions.. We have to come together ist, get what we want then we can table our matter(Full reconciliation , confederation or final break up) latter on if it becomes necessary...

oilPUSSY:
Hmmmm.

Interesting points u made up there. But you don't need to blame Pazienza for seeking Biafra without minorities..
Yes some of them are pro Biafra but whether they are in minority or majority is what I can't tell..

Here are the disadvantages of having minorities in Biafra..

Igbos will bend and compromise a lot of things to please them hence giving rise to mediocre instead of competence ( Another mini Nigeria)

Some of them have allowed their souls to be poisoned by outsiders by buying and believing a lot of lies and propaganda against Igbo's, meaning that if we share country with them, these people won't stop suspecting every movement we make which is very bad for a nation that intends to move forward.

Having only Igbo nation gives rise to faster development and zero corruption. Faster development in the sense that everything would be done in Igbo language both in teachings, public gathering etc. We won't bend our language to accommodate anyone. That is the beauty of a Nation

Zero corruption means that an Igbo man will jail an Igbo man if found guilty.. But if you share a country with Minorities, my dear the day an Igbo man arrest minority and jail him ehhh ...You should know the rest of the story.. That day minorities will spend the rest of their lives accusing Igbo's for many unprintable things.

Don't blame Pazienza because some of these minorities are annoying especially some particular section of SS minorities.. There are some minorities in SS region that have no problem with Igbos ( Though few of them are Igbophobic from that axis )

So when you see some Igbo's seeking for Biafra with only Igbo's, you should ask the reason why..

Or is it about the insult they dish out all the time accusing Igbo's what they did and the ones they didn't ?.. If you are a patriotic Igbo man won't you quickly disassociate yourself from those people ?.. See eh, I used to see all SS minorities as one of my own until I started reading and found out that they don't see me the way I see them, unfortunately 70 percent of Igbo's see all SS minorities as brothers.. That's sad.

If I must align with minorities in SS, I know the group I would align with and know the ones I will kick out without having a second thought. Even that group in SS I would align with, total trust issue must be addressed (IF)

Mind you, when you hear me saying SS, I excluded SS Igbo's. I was referring to minorities.


Then coming to NC, when Nnamdi KANU included Benue in Biafra we all saw their madnesses... Some one even made statement like. "Its like these IPOB clowns don't know the man people that fought for one Nigeria, they should not try that nonsense again" this is a statement coming from the so called Christian.. If you are a patriotic Igbo man what would you do ?.. Won't you seek for an Igbo Nation alone ?
Yes some Tiv people visited Nnamdi KANU in Abia in 2017 , but what the opinion of the majority of their kinsmen concerning Biafra ?.. If not because of Fulani menace recently do you think any middle belt man would like to form any alliance with Igbo's despite the fact that they share common thing with Igbo's which is Christianity ?
I doubt !.. They would still get stuck in the @$$ of their oppressors that they share nothing in common with.

You know me personally as a SE, SS and MD belt Christian unity advocate, but that doesn't mean that we won't pin out some faults when its necessary... You self couldn't not even hide your Igbophobia that's smelling on some of your comments.

To me I believe that success could be achieved easier through the unity of the aforementioned regions.. We have to come together ist, get what we want then we can table our latter on if it becomes necessary...

Leave that guy to Pazienza who is telling him the painful truth as you are being liberal with him. Igbos will never sacrifice themselves on the alter of Christianity. When evil comes to you you remember Christianity when it comes to Igbos you throw your Christianity away.

hammerD:
I have always suspected that Igbo people had links to modern day Edo States.

I believe i mentioned dat here, wen refering to Ebira language being similar in sound to Igbo and wondered if Igbo split into two group with one coming from the west of Kogi and Edo to settle in Delta North and the other coming from the East to settle in present day Umueri.


Evidently, Enugu people celebrate igodo festival and the founder of Ndiigbo is called Eri.


I recently discovered that the first ever King of Benin was Igodo and his son/sucessor was Ere.


Apparently, back then in Edo, the Kingdom of Idu was multi-ethnic with various group producing the King.



Yet again, the word Idu is central to Kingship in Alaigbo.


A title is not complete without the word Idu, such as Idu Ezeudo etc...


Also, the present day Bini were refered to as Igodomigodo people. The word bini and Edo or Ado were introduced recently.


I further notice a great number of dem feel comfortable wearing our Isi Agu cultural attire.


Very interesting history.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_Ogiso

You have never made any single sense with your post for once. It is always full of trash.


For your Information, I hear Ebira very well and I speak that too. There is no way Ebira is related to Igbo even in sound or in tone. This is the greatest rubbish I just read. Ebira and Igbo aren't related.

Secondly not everyone buys into that Eri dynasty.

MelesZenawi:
You have never made any single sense with your post for once. It is always full of trash.


For your Information, I hear Ebira very well and I speak that too. There is no way Ebira is related to Igbo even in sound or in tone. This is the greatest rubbish I just read. Ebira and Igbo aren't related.

Secondly not everyone buys into that Eri dynasty.

LISTEN TO THIS. WAT DOES IT SOUND LIKE?

AND HOW COME U HEAR EBIRA, IF YOUR IGBO?

I HAVE EVEN GONE AND WATCH EBIRA NOLLYWOOD VIDEO AND CAN CONFIRM IT SOUND SIMILAR TO IGBO.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AnTyKfaagM

ZZ22:
Leave that guy to Pazienza who is telling him the painful truth as you are being liberal with him. Igbos will never sacrifice themselves on the alter of Christianity. When evil comes to you you remember Christianity when it comes to Igbos you throw your Christianity away.

Pazienza is fully right and track with what he is saying and this is what we need. Sugar coating have not solved any problem and it won't.

I have always told some of them who thinks they are been liberal in Nigeria that liberalism is a sign of mental disorder.

There is nothing like Christianity or been Christian in this contest which will lead to building another tower of Babel called country ... Mbanu.

Any agitation should be be strictly Igbo and Igbo should it be. I have everyone same way I hold the rest of mankind in times of peace friends and in times of war enemies.

These period are times of war and all must be done to be unanimous and homogeneous and everything must be Igbo.

Biafra of today is Igbo. Any addition is a failure.

ZZ22:
Leave that guy to Pazienza who is telling him the painful truth as you are being liberal with him. Igbos will never sacrifice themselves on the alter of Christianity. When evil comes to you you remember Christianity when it comes to Igbos you throw your Christianity away.

The problem is that some people are not understanding the points Pazienza is masking.. Even some Igbos have insulted him on this forum because of his stand.. But many have failed to ask question why having that kind of Ideology..

Something causes something.

MelesZenawi:
Pazienza is fully right and track with what he is saying and this is what we need. Sugar coating have not solved any problem and it won't.

I have always told some of them who thinks they are been liberal in Nigeria that liberalism is a sign of mental disorder.

There is nothing like Christianity or been Christian in this contest which will lead to building another tower of Babel called country ... Mbanu.

Any agitation should be be strictly Igbo and Igbo should it be. I have everyone same way I hold the rest of mankind in times of peace friends and in times of war enemies.

These period are times of war and all must be done to be unanimous and homogeneous and everything must be Igbo.

Biafra of today is Igbo. Any addition is a failure.

Ok.

hammerD:
LISTEN TO THIS. WAT DOES IT SOUND LIKE?

AND HOW COME U HEAR EBIRA, IF YOUR IGBO?

I HAVE EVEN GONE AND WATCH EBIRA NOLLYWOOD VIDEO AND CAN CONFIRM IT SOUND SIMILAR TO IGBO.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AnTyKfaagM

Please I don't have time. Don't tell me the language and people I know more than you. If Ebira is anything near Igbo even me as an Igbo speaker hearing their language will know.

Such nonsense doesn't exist please.

MelesZenawi:
Pazienza is fully right and track with what he is saying and this is what we need. Sugar coating have not solved any problem and it won't.

I have always told some of them who thinks they are been liberal in Nigeria that liberalism is a sign of mental disorder.

There is nothing like Christianity or been Christian in this contest which will lead to building another tower of Babel called country ... Mbanu.

Any agitation should be be strictly Igbo and Igbo should it be. I have everyone same way I hold the rest of mankind in times of peace friends and in times of war enemies.

These period are times of war and all must be done to be unanimous and homogeneous and everything must be Igbo.

Biafra of today is Igbo. Any addition is a failure.

Mr man will fvck away from this thread you hopeless bloody impostor..

I don't know why some Igbo's cannot understand your antics.
Us less human being

MelesZenawi:
Please I don't have time. Don't tell me the language and people I know more than you. If Ebira is anything near Igbo even me as an Igbo speaker hearing their language will know.

Such nonsense doesn't exist please.

WE ARE TALKING OF SOUND.

EVEN WEN U LOOK AT THE SPELLINGS, THEY SIMILAR TO IGBO.

JUST AS U HAVE URHOBO AND BINI SPELLING BEING SIMILAR.

HERE ARE SOME OF THEIR MOVIES.

EBIRA MOVIE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkWKIwgPEkY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqIl3av5d1M


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E3SOwtJiL8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEpAFdGRmI4

oilPUSSY:
Mr man will fvck away from this thread you hopeless bloody impostor..
I don't know why some Igbo's cannot understand your antics. Us less human being

I have been in this thread before you.
Anyway your point is very useless and will never work.
Very useless point

Nowenuse. When did middle belt apologize for their rôle during the civil war.. ?
I need to know more about that.

oilPUSSY:
Nowenuse. When did middle belt apologize for their rôle during the civil war.. ?
I need to know more about that.

They have been apologising of recently.

Even Danjuma denied being responsible for Aguyi Ironsi death.

hammerD:
WE ARE TALKING OF SOUND.
EVEN WEN U LOOK AT THE SPELLINGS, THEY SIMILAR TO IGBO.
JUST AS U HAVE URHOBO AND BINI SPELLING BEING SIMILAR.
HERE ARE SOME OF THEIR MOVIES.
EBIRA MOVIE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkWKIwgPEkY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqIl3av5d1M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E3SOwtJiL8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEpAFdGRmI4

Sound?
Nothing like that jaree. Stop lifting make shift belief Abeg.
Ebira I know very well...Taaaaaaaa

MelesZenawi:
Sound?

Nothing like that jaree. Stop lifting make shift belief Abeg.

Ebira I know very well...Taaaaaaaa

LET ME BE HONEST WITH YOU HERE.

MANY PARTS OF THE MIDDLE BELT DO NOT BELONG IN THE NORTH BUT RATHER THE SOUTH.

HOW DO U JUSTIFY KWARA, A YORUBA PEOPLE BEING IN THE NORTH.

OR OUR IGALA COUSINS BEING IN THE NORTH.

IDOMA THAT THEIR NAMES LOOK IGBO BEING IN THE NORTH.

U NEED TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX AND UNDERSTAND COMPLEXITY OF MATTERS.

IF U SIMPLIFY, U ARE SETTING YOURSELF UP FOR A GREAT FALL.

MelesZenawi:
Sound?

Nothing like that jaree. Stop lifting make shift belief Abeg.

Ebira I know very well...Taaaaaaaa

U WANT TO HEAR IGBO RIGHT?

IS THAT REASONABLE?

I BET U, IF WE SAT DOWN AND USE SUBTITLES, TO TRANSLATE WAT THEY ARE SPEAKING FAST, U WILL ISOLATE WORDS THAT IGBO USE, IN WAT THEY SAY.

THE QUESTION WILL THEN BE, IF THE WORDS HAVE THE SAME MEANING IN BOTH LANGUAGES.

hammerD:
They have been apologising of recently.

Even Danjuma denied being responsible for Aguyi Ironsi death.

Danjuman was only trying to distance himself from Ironsi's self inflicted calamity.. That is not an apology..

Meanwhile, Ironsi's death has sent a great msg to One Nigeria Igbos that want to learn. And to some Igbos who don't want to learn, they are likely to end up like Ironsi if they don't retrace their steps today..
Its not yet late.

hammerD:
LET ME BE HONEST WITH YOU HERE.
MANY PARTS OF THE MIDDLE BELT DO NOT BELONG IN THE NORTH BUT RATHER THE SOUTH.
HOW DO U JUSTIFY KWARA, A YORUBA PEOPLE BEING IN THE NORTH.
OR OUR IGALA COUSINS BEING IN THE NORTH.
IDOMA THAT THEIR NAMES LOOK IGBO BEING IN THE NORTH.
U NEED TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX AND UNDERSTAND COMPLEXITY OF MATTERS.
IF U SIMPLIFY, U ARE SETTING YOURSELF UP FOR A GREAT FALL.

I don't have time for digression.
Next.

hammerD:
U WANT TO HEAR IGBO RIGHT?

IS THAT REASONABLE?

I BET U, IF WE SAT DOWN AND USE SUBTITLES, TO TRANSLATE WAT THEY ARE SPEAKING FAST, U WILL ISOLATE WORDS THAT IGBO USE, IN WAT THEY SAY.

THE QUESTION WILL THEN BE, IF THE WORDS HAVE THE SAME MEANING IN BOTH LANGUAGES.

Doesn't exist in anyway.

That's how they brain washed you guys that you came from Isreal with nonsense similarities in words and spelling.


Sound history owns no one an apology.

Achebe said when others writes your history, then you just like the hunt.

Infact let me use his exact words "Until the lions have their own historians, the history of the hunt will always glorify the hunter"

MelesZenawi:
Doesn't exist in anyway.

That's how they brain washed you guys that you came from Isreal with nonsense similarities in words and spelling.


Sound history owns no one an apology.

Achebe said when others writes your history, then you just like the hunt.

WHETHER IGBO OR HEBREW, THE COINCIDENCE ARE THERE.

EVEN THE ISRAELI THINK IGBO ARE THEIR BROTHERS.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ME AN MOST OF U IS DAT, I KEEP AN OPEN AND INVESTIGATIVE MIND.

U LOT ARE RULED BY YOUR EMOTION AND WEN U DONT LIKE, U DONT WANTTO HEAR. TUFIAKWA!

IF THE WHITE MAN WAS LIKE U, HE WILL REMAIN BACKWARD.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8WWqIuURGo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0j6-r3AcPc

hammerD:
WHETHER IGBO OR HEBREW, THE COINCIDENCE ARE THERE.

EVEN THE ISRAELI THINK IGBO ARE THEIR BROTHERS.

Moonlight stories.

Infact let me use Achebe exact words "Until the lions have their own historians, the history of the hunt will always glorify the hunter"

I can't add anything further. The sage has spoken.

MelesZenawi:
Moonlight stories.

Infact let me use Achebe exact words "Until the lions have their own historians, the history of the hunt will always glorify the hunter"

I can't add anything further. The sage has spoken.

WAT IS THE HISTORY OF MAN?

DO U KNOW?

MELESZENAWI, 'ALWAYS AIM TO GO ABIT FURTHER.'..

"According to CIA book of facts".
I laugh so hard.

If you have heavy money to spend, you can change what in the "fact book".
Its fake news thing.

I would rather call it CIA book of lies.

oilPUSSY:
Hmmmm.

Interesting points u made up there. But you don't need to blame Pazienza for seeking Biafra without minorities..
Yes some SS minorities are pro Biafra but whether they are in minority or majority is what I can't tell..

Here are the disadvantages of having minorities in Biafra..

Igbos will bend and compromise a lot of things to please these minorities hence giving rise to production of half baked bread instead of merit ( Another mini Nigeria has been created because minorities will start demanding for quota system which makes a system unworkable) Failing to bend to their rules will justify the perception they have on Igbos which is dominance even though its a wrong perception because we dominated the military and civil service before the war despite not being the largest ethnic group in Nigeria.. We dominated those days because everthing was based on merit unlike what is obtainable today.

Again,Some of them have allowed their souls to be poisoned by outsiders by buying and believing a lot of lies and propaganda against Igbo's, meaning that if we share country with them, these people won't stop suspecting every movement we make which is very bad for a nation that intends to move forward.

Having only Igbo nation gives rise to faster development and zero corruption. Faster development in the sense that everything would be done in Igbo language both in teachings, public gathering etc. We won't bend our language to accommodate anyone. That is the beauty of a Nation

Zero corruption means that an Igbo man will jail an Igbo man if found guilty.. But if you share a country with Minorities, my dear the day an Igbo man arrest minority and jail him ehhh ...You should know the rest of the story.. That day minorities will spend the rest of their lives accusing Igbo's for many unprintable things.

Don't blame Pazienza because some of these minorities are annoying especially some particular section of SS minorities.. There are some minorities in SS region that have no problem with Igbos ( Though few of them are Igbophobic from that axis )

So when you see some Igbo's seeking for Biafra with only Igbo's, you should ask the reason why..

Or is it about the insult they dish out all the time accusing Igbo's what they did and the ones they didn't ?.. If you are a patriotic Igbo man won't you quickly disassociate yourself from those people ?.. See eh, I used to see all SS minorities as one of my own until I started reading and found out that they don't see me the way I see them, unfortunately 70 percent of Igbo's see all SS minorities as brothers.. That's sad.

If I must align with minorities in SS, I know the group I would align with and know the ones I will kick out without having a second thought. Even that group in SS I would align with, total trust issue must be addressed (IF)

Mind you, when you hear me saying SS, I excluded SS Igbo's. I was referring to minorities.


Then coming to NC, when Nnamdi KANU included Benue in Biafra we all saw their madnesses... Some one even made statement like. "Its like these IPOB clowns don't know the main people that fought for one Nigeria?, they should not try that nonsense again" this is a statement coming from the so called Christians.. If you are a patriotic Igbo man what would you do ?.. Won't you seek for an Igbo Nation alone ?
Yes some Tiv people visited Nnamdi KANU in Abia in 2017 , but what the opinion of the majority of their kinsmen concerning Biafra ?.. If not because of Fulani menace recently do you think any middle belt man would like to form any alliance with Igbo's despite the fact that they share common thing with Igbo's which is Christianity ?
I doubt !.. They would still get stuck in the @$$ of their oppressors that they share nothing in common with.

You know me personally as a SE, SS and MD belt Christian unity advocate, but that doesn't mean that we won't pin out some faults when its necessary... You self couldn't not even hide your Igbophobia that's smelling on some of your comments.

To me I believe that success could be achieved easier through the unity of the aforementioned regions.. We have to come together ist, get what we want then we can table our matter(Full reconciliation , confederation or final break up) latter on if it becomes necessary...

Your last paragraph @bolded was just the perfect conclusion to everything you wrote and to everything we all need.
Black people are not really a wise group of people and this is why we are where we are today.

People must not love each other or be 100% compatible with each other before they work together. Sometimes, all it takes is a common interest.
This is something most of us fail to understand. That is why you see myopic middlebelters & SS minorities shudder and wail at the thought of unity with Igbos.
They think any sort of unity with the Igbos corresponds to marriage like the Hausa-fulani kind. They never think in line of partnership for a common purpose.

I have served in leadership capacities among middlebelt people and I would be a foöl if I say the majority of my people like Igbos. Infact, some of us like the Nupes & Ebiras who are predominantly muslim can never work together with Igbos in any capacity. They rather be slaves to the core-north than sharing a room with Igbos.
Infact these group of people prefer core-northerners to we middlebelt christians, let alone Igbos. .....And this was the reason why I resigned from those stupid pan-middlebelt groups.

As a Plateau man, I only care about my people and people from Southern Kaduna, Taraba and tribes from Nasarawa, Adamawa, South Gombe, South Borno, and certain parts of Eastern Niger, FCT, South Kebbi and South Bauchi. These are the only people I share the same mentality, culture, values and struggles with.

Even we and Benue people do not have the same mentality, culture and struggles. Not until Fulani herdsmen hit Benue, most Benue people were laughing at us that we were drunkards who sold our lands to Hausa-fulanis for a bottle of drink hence we deserved our woes.

Didn't you see how Benue people voted Buhari in 2015?
If not for tribalism spearheaded by Jang in 2015, APC would never have gotten any reasonable support in Plateau state.

However, this doesn't mean that we cannot work with Benue people and even Igalas. The Attah of Igala who is a christian is actually very much pro-middlebelt.
My own people will work with the Tiv, Idomas & possibly Igalas just as we will work with Igbos, but we will never bring them into our fold anymore.

So if Pazienza is talking about something like this, it is very understandable. Bringing people into your fold and partnering with them for common interests are 2 different things.


Yes, I would never support Igbos and other minorities sharing one country like the way Nigeria is today. Such country must have problems just as you listed above.

The best thing for us is to come together and fight our way out as one people first, with laid down terms of 3 seperate nations. When we succeed, we will come together and decide how our 3 separate nations would exist. Either something like the UK or something like the EU.

I would not even support something like Regionalism cos we must still have problems with each other.
Igbos have the population and strong spirit of capitalism to drive a nation forward.
The Niger delta has the wide sea-access and crude oil (although crude oil should never be a subject).
While the middlebelt has large swathes of very fertile land and great tourism potentials due to the mountains, plateaus, rocks, springs, waterfallse.t.c
This is why I would prefer we are something like the UK rather than the EU. A nation like this will be extremely progressive.

It is not just about the fulani menace that is making people like us talk about alliance with the Igbos, although it is a part of it.
Core-northerners are a very regressive group of people who are intent on dragging everyone else down.
Look at Taraba & Plateau, both states have natural features that are beautiful to behold and a tourist industry would be very lucrative here, but considering how both areas are just next door to Boko haram states, which international tourist will even think of coming to these places? Abeg, the examples are too much to explain.

Cc ZZ22

oilPUSSY:
Nowenuse. When did middle belt apologize for their rôle during the civil war.. ?
I need to know more about that.

https://www.nairaland.com/922820/tricked-us-into-fighting-igbos

This was one of them. There was another one in 2013, but I cannot find the link now.

hammerD:
I have always suspected that Igbo people had links to modern day Edo States.

I believe i mentioned dat here, wen refering to Ebira language being similar in sound to Igbo and wondered if Igbo split into two group with one coming from the west of Kogi and Edo to settle in Delta North and the other coming from the East to settle in present day Umueri.


Evidently, Enugu people celebrate igodo festival and the founder of Ndiigbo is called Eri.


I recently discovered that the first ever King of Benin was Igodo and his son/sucessor was Ere.


Apparently, back then in Edo, the Kingdom of Idu was multi-ethnic with various group producing the King.



Yet again, the word Idu is central to Kingship in Alaigbo.


A title is not complete without the word Idu, such as Idu Ezeudo etc...


Also, the present day Bini were refered to as Igodomigodo people. The word bini and Edo or Ado were introduced recently.


I further notice a great number of dem feel comfortable wearing our Isi Agu cultural attire.


Very interesting history.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_Ogiso

Actually, most southern nigerians and lower middlebelters (Nupes, Ebiras, Igalas, Idomas) and Gbagyis/Jukuns e.t.c are very much related linguistically. You guys should have a common origin, considering the fact that you are under one group of language family.

Idomas, Igalas & Ebiras and other middlebelt tribes share so many similar names and words with Igbos and Yorubas.


As for Ebiras, I don't think they are worth the stress of you broadcasting how much Igbo and their language sounds very common.

Even as a middlebelter, I dislike Ebira people with a strong passion.
Islam has turned most of them to something else.

hammerD:
WE ARE TALKING OF SOUND.

EVEN WEN U LOOK AT THE SPELLINGS, THEY SIMILAR TO IGBO.

JUST AS U HAVE URHOBO AND BINI SPELLING BEING SIMILAR.

HERE ARE SOME OF THEIR MOVIES.

EBIRA MOVIE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkWKIwgPEkY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqIl3av5d1M


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E3SOwtJiL8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEpAFdGRmI4

Nowenuse:
Actually, most southern nigerians and lower middlebelters (Nupes, Ebiras, Igalas, Idomas) and Gbagyis/Jukuns e.t.c are very much related linguistically. You guys should have a common origin, considering the fact that you are under one group of language family.

Idomas, Igalas & Ebiras and other middlebelt tribes share so many similar names and words with Igbos and Yorubas.


As for Ebiras, I don't think they are worth the stress of you broadcasting how much Igbo and their language sounds very common.

Even as a middlebelter, I dislike Ebira people with a strong passion.
Islam has turned most of them to something else.

I have observed it too.


They were very fast to make the same mistake Hausa made by inviting Fulani to settle in Kogi.

Give it some time, those Fulani will start killing dem.

hammerD:
LET ME BE HONEST WITH YOU HERE.

MANY PARTS OF THE MIDDLE BELT DO NOT BELONG IN THE NORTH BUT RATHER THE SOUTH.

HOW DO U JUSTIFY KWARA, A YORUBA PEOPLE BEING IN THE NORTH.

OR OUR IGALA COUSINS BEING IN THE NORTH.

IDOMA THAT THEIR NAMES LOOK IGBO BEING IN THE NORTH.

U NEED TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX AND UNDERSTAND COMPLEXITY OF MATTERS.

IF U SIMPLIFY, U ARE SETTING YOURSELF UP FOR A GREAT FALL.

Thank you very much.
In my opinion, Kwara, Kogi & Benue have no business being in the north.
These people are more southern, by culture, by history, by geography, by linguistic similarities, by mentality and almost everything else.

The British colonial masters were just promoting Hausa fulani interests in a large and oversized Northern Nigeria which they should control. Otherwise, Nupes and all Nupe speaking tribes, Baribas & Ebiras should have been classified together with Yorubas. While Igalas, Idomas & Igedes and maybe Tivs, should have been classified with Igbos.
Parts of Igala land were under the southern protectorate under Onitsha province in the past actually, before they were transferred to the north.

An Idoma or Igala christian in Katsina state is identified and addressed as an Inyamiri (Igbo).

Most of these people do not even have the mentality of being northerners, that's why an Igala or Idoma man leaving his village and travelling to Kano will tell you that he is travelling to the NORTH.

Igalas call hausas and northerners AKECHI (meaning people who speak strange languages). They can never call the Igbos or Yorubas with that name cos as long as they are concerned, they are familiar with these people.

This is why Benue & Kogi people can never fit into the same picture that those of us from Plateau, Nasarawa & Southern Kaduna fit into. We are very different from each other and this is why a joint middlebelt struggle has been a monumental failure.

Nowenuse:
Your last paragraph @bolded was just the perfect conclusion to everything you wrote and to everything we all need.
Black people are not really a wise group of people and this is why we are where we are today.

People must not love each other or be 100% compatible with each other before they work together. Sometimes, all it takes is a common interest.
This is something most of us fail to understand. That is why you see myopic middlebelters & SS minorities shudder and wail at the thought of unity with Igbos.
They think any sort of unity with the Igbos corresponds to marriage like the Hausa-fulani kind. They never think in line of partnership for a common purpose.

I have served in leadership capacities among middlebelt people and I would be a foöl if I say the majority of my people like Igbos. Infact, some of us like the Nupes & Ebiras who are predominantly muslim can never work together with Igbos in any capacity. They rather be slaves to the core-north than sharing a room with Igbos.
Infact these group of people prefer core-northerners to we middlebelt christians, let alone Igbos. .....And this was the reason why I resigned from those stupid pan-middlebelt groups.

As a Plateau man, I only care about my people and people from Southern Kaduna, Taraba and tribes from Nasarawa, Adamawa, South Gombe, South Borno, and certain parts of Eastern Niger, FCT, South Kebbi and South Bauchi. These are the only people I share the same mentality, culture, values and struggles with.

Even we and Benue people do not have the same mentality, culture and struggles. Not until Fulani herdsmen hit Benue, most Benue people were laughing at us that we were drunkards who sold our lands to Hausa-fulanis for a bottle of drink hence we deserved our woes.

Didn't you see how Benue people voted Buhari in 2015?
If not for tribalism spearheaded by Jang in 2015, APC would never have gotten any reasonable support in Plateau state.

However, this doesn't mean that we cannot work with Benue people and even Igalas. The Attah of Igala who is a christian is actually very much pro-middlebelt.
My own people will work with the Tiv, Idomas & possibly Igalas just as we will work with Igbos, but we will never bring them into our fold anymore.

So if Pazienza is talking about something like this, it is very understandable. Bringing people into your fold and partnering with them for common interests are 2 different things.


Yes, I would never support Igbos and other minorities sharing one country like the way Nigeria is today. Such country must have problems just as you listed above.

The best thing for us is to come together and fight our way out as one people first, with laid down terms of 3 seperate nations. When we succeed, we will come together and decide how our 3 separate nations would exist. Either something like the UK or something like the EU.

I would not even support something like Regionalism cos we must still have problems with each other.
Igbos have the population and strong spirit of capitalism to drive a nation forward.
The Niger delta has the wide sea-access and crude oil (although crude oil should never be a subject).
While the middlebelt has large swathes of very fertile land and great tourism potentials due to the mountains, plateaus, rocks, springs, waterfallse.t.c
This is why I would prefer we are something like the UK rather than the EU. A nation like this will be extremely progressive.

It is not just about the fulani menace that is making people like us talk about alliance with the Igbos, although it is a part of it.
Core-northerners are a very regressive group of people who are intent on dragging everyone else down.
Look at Taraba & Plateau, both states have natural features that are beautiful to behold and a tourist industry would be very lucrative here, but considering how both areas are just next door to Boko haram states, which international tourist will even think of coming to these places? Abeg, the examples are too much to explain.

Nasarawa, Adamawa, South Gombe, South Borno, and certain parts of Eastern Niger, FCT, South Kebbi and South Bauchi.


You are comfortable to form a Union with the bolded ?.. Muslim enclave ?
People whose loyalty lies on the caliphate ?
States that are governed by Muslims since 1999 ?

Some of you northern Christians don't even know what you want..
Your Case is like trying to change pattern and position arrangement in fire..

When I talked of Union with middle belt I was referring to middle belt Christians not Muslims who are agents of the caliphate..

I don't think any Union with those States you mentioned will see the light of the day because sabotage Will be inevitable.

The people we see as middle belts are.. Benue, Platue, Taraba and southern Kaduna.....

Others are being dominated by Muslims and there is nothing you can do about it.
Because there are some minority Christians in Sokoto, will that make you to include sokoto in your Union simply because of presence of few Christians there ?

I also saw Boronu on your list... Nawa ooo