rottennaija:


Yes. Let me respond to just a part of what you just put up there. Then I'll get to the others.

It's is what is called Christian freedom. Rules like made by the Watchtower is simply to put men and women into slavery, so that after being freed from the burdensome yoke of the mosaic law, we have the 8 men imposing new rules to people.

Jesus said his load is light and his yoke, easy. (Mt 11:30). Christians are sons of Jehovah, not slaves. Sons are free, slaves are not. So you see the beauty of Christian freedom? The apostle Paul warned, "You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of human beings." (1 Co 7:23)

So I can understand why you could be bothered about my freedom in christ, because you just feel I should be in one yoke or another. It's your kind the apostle warned about who were spying in the freedom enjoyed by children of God. (Ga 2:4)

I understand very well, if you have never been free, you will never understand what real freedom in Jesus taste like.

Maximus69:


It's obvious that you're free Sir!

But what baffles me is how someone who claims to be free is continually disturbed about those in bondage, whereas those in bondage are happily serving their masters!

Haba, why taking drugs for another person's headache?

I supposed it's those who are in bondage who supposed to be having sleepless nights about how to gain freedom!

Well your freedom is obvious to everyone Sir, but please Jehovah's Witnesses are OK with our own bondage biko!
No be by force say make person wey won serve hin oga comot because you get freedom.
Na beg we dey beg you!

Maximus69:


It's obvious that you're free Sir!

But what baffles me is how someone who claims to be free is continually disturbed about those in bondage, whereas those in bondage are happily serving their masters!

Haba, why taking drugs for another person's headache?

I supposed it's those who are in bondage who supposed to be having sleepless nights about how to gain freedom!

Well your freedom is obvious to everyone Sir, but please Jehovah's Witnesses are OK with our own bondage biko!
No be by force say make person wey won serve hin oga comot because you get freedom.
Na beg we dey beg you!

Maximus69:
Encouraging!

But this will be upbuilding if introduced in a closed WhatsApp group chat, NOT on NL where nuisance like rottennaija whose parents, families and friends are all JWs only for him to leave all of them at home and start questioning those he has never met before, because these ones believe exactly what his Papa and Mama believes back home!

Charity begins at home says an adage. But most idiots just feel like it should be the other way round!

rottennaija:


The irony about you and your manner of thinking is that you sound so much like the Israelite when enslaved to the Egyptians. At some point, they preferred to be enslaved with beatings and forced labour (of course as long as they continue eating meat,Cucumber and garlic) than be free in the wilderness. Such lack of faith.

rottennaija:


The irony about you and your manner of thinking is that you sound so much like the Israelite when enslaved to the Egyptians. At some point, they preferred to be enslaved with beatings and forced labour (of course as long as they continue eating meat,Cucumber and garlic) than be free in the wilderness. Such lack of faith.

achorladey:


Same scenario described here will equally play out at the kingdom halls where all of the meetings to study the watchtower articles takes place. It is the CONTROLLED environment that you seek. Were rottennaija be present in any kingdom hall, his comment will be shut down or not even attended to because they consider him a NUISANCE despite not knowing how ENCOURAGING and UP BUILDING his comments and questions might be.

After all said and done not all of Jesus Family buy into all what Christ was doing INITIALLY. Some said HE HAS GONE OUT OF HIS MIND. Jesus took his message far from his home, hometown to other PLACES when they rejected HIM.

CHARITY INDEED begins at HOME. You can equally apply it to JESUS CHRIST.

Janosky:



rottennaija:
(1)
When you stopped spreading falsehood
about outer people and their religion,
(2)
when you stopped forcing people to
commit suicide and other dangerous
things,
(*3)
probably then, you will see people
leave you alone. Until then, you will
have people like me.




@Rottennaija:
You don't "hate to hear" the messages of (*1), (*2),(4) you falsely claimed were JWs ?
The very reasons "that's why (you) had to stopped."
Rottennaija LIAR....

I won't ,NEVER rebel against Jehovah and continue lying on NL like rottennaija....
Igbo man go say " MBANU !!!!!!"

Maximus69:


Israelites, Moses, and slavery!

Well, these are people who have come from different races and religious groups to form one big happy family of peace loving worshippers!

They are slaves to the promise they made to form one family and live by the rules of the family. Whoever is no more interested in the family arrangement can just walk away like you Sir!

Unlike the Israelites whose great grandfather (Jacob) migrated to Egypt, and after some period of enjoyment in their new abode another ruler emerged and started treating them as slaves with no hope of escape. Each one of Jehovah's Witnesses chose to become members of a global group after thorough studying, meditation and prayer.

You remember that daddy and mummy did not just say "you're now one of Jehovah's Witnesses by birth". You studied several books before you can decide to say " yes, i'm fully prepared to live by all these rules". That's the same protocol over 8,500,000 persons from different nations under the heavens passed through before they decided to DEDICATE their lives to the God who made this arrangement possible, then they publicly declared their dedication by water emersion.

So the case TOTALLY differs Sir!

Maximus69:


Joseph and Mary gave birth to Jesus, before his birth a lot of prophecies has been heard about him, before Mary got pregnant an angel appeared and spoke with her, on getting to the house of her auntie Elizabeth, the later was moved by God's holy spirit to honour her, at Jesus' birth so many things happened, at age twelve when all other children were traveling back home with the family Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem asking thought provoking questions from the religious leaders in the Temple and they were all amazed, seeing him in their midst Jesus told his parents "you supposed to know where to find me, in the house of my father".

So if he's now a grown up, got baptized and began doing strange things, Mary supposed to be in the best position to enlighten her other sons regarding the origin of her first child!

Please Sir, Jesus' preaching and teaching should begin in the Temple NOT home because every Israelite knew for sure that it's inside the Temple that anointed priests do their job. And according to the prophesies, Jesus is supposed to be the High Priest.

By preaching and teaching from house to house, he was laying the foundation of what Jehovah's Witnesses are doing in our neighborhood today!

So the case TOTALLY differs from that of a boy born, bread and brought up with a form of standard but suddenly decided to turn against such standards claiming he has found something better.
Where?
No specific answer, only to start telling them that he has found another Jesus that could be worshipped WITHOUT a unique group, no rules binding worshippers together to keep watching and monitoring one another's movements if any should commit a blunder!

rottennaija:


When you write, sit back, relax, read again and again what you write. I don't have the luxury of correcting you from time to time. It's really draining. OK?

rottennaija:


So, to bolded, I ask you. What is wrong in leaving a group when you find it not worth it?

rottennaija:


First of all, "rebellion against a tyrant is obedience to God". You must have heard the sayings before. Jesus rebelled against the religion leaders and system of his time.

Tboymessiah:
hello, I wish to ask some questions bothering me here, and I want answers, so as to clear my doubt, although am also a Bible student I do collect awake from jws to read........ so here I go.

achorladey:


Freedom freedom freedom only few of the Israelites understand what it meant. Perhaps only two in the long run Caleb and Joshua

Maximus69:

Oneness in thought is the key Sir! Roman 15:5-6, 1Corinthians 1:10
So if you're not ready to remain in the fold, you can't be one of Jehovah's Witnesses! Luke 11:23

Joshua later made the people to realize that whoever wish to abandon the arrangement that's binding them together as one can do so but he and his household will forever remain in the fold! Joshua 24:15

Maximus69:


Joseph and Mary gave birth to Jesus, before his birth a lot of prophecies has been heard about him, before Mary got pregnant an angel appeared and spoke with her, on getting to the house of her auntie Elizabeth, the later was moved by God's holy spirit to honour her, at Jesus' birth so many things happened, at age twelve when all other children were traveling back home with the family Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem asking thought provoking questions from the religious leaders in the Temple and they were all amazed, seeing him in their midst Jesus told his parents "you supposed to know where to find me, in the house of my father".

So if he's now a grown up, got baptized and began doing strange things, Mary supposed to be in the best position to enlighten her other sons regarding the origin of her first child!

Please Sir, Jesus' preaching and teaching should begin in the Temple NOT home because every Israelite knew for sure that it's inside the Temple that anointed priests do their job. And according to the prophesies, Jesus is supposed to be the High Priest.

By preaching and teaching from house to house, he was laying the foundation of what Jehovah's Witnesses are doing in our neighborhood today!

So the case TOTALLY differs from that of a boy born, bread and brought up with a form of standard but suddenly decided to turn against such standards claiming he has found something better.
Where?
No specific answer, only to start telling them that he has found another Jesus that could be worshipped WITHOUT a unique group, no rules binding worshippers together to keep watching and monitoring one another's movements if any should commit a blunder!

achorladey:


Had you understand the post, you wouldn't have cited Joshua 24:15. That verse still emphasis FREEDOM.

But as for ME and MY HOUSEHOLD, we will serve Jehovah. His own GENERATION perished in the WILDERNESS. Had he remain in THAT FOLD BINDING THEM TOGETHER. NA PERISH for be the case of JOSHUA and CALEB.

FREEDOM made CLEAR to decide. Joshua made it clear it's an INDIVIDUAL THING not a FOLD THING. Hope you get that clear.

achorladey:



Still did not change the statement CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME as it applies to JESUS and his BROTHERS and people of HIS own hometown.

Yet you went AHEAD to state JESUS' teaching and preaching SHOULD begin at the TEMPLE hahahahahaha and you need a BINDING GROUP to tell you to love God and NEIGHBOURS and equally do to others what you want them to do to you. E get as e be.

Maximus69:


If it actually applies to Jesus (who supposed to serve as the high priest) he wouldn't have told people living in his home own town "you shouldn't expect me to start with you" Luke 4:24-28

Maximus69:

You're not getting the point Sir!

There are humans throughout the earth during the time of Joshua and Caleb, before JEHOVAH chose their race, liberated them from slavery in Egypt and handed his laws to them.
What is the purpose of those laws?
To get a prepared people ready for the promised Messiah who will lead them to everlasting life!
Whoever feels like living the main arrangement that's binding them together as one (the law) is no more safe according to Moses.
So Joshua is saying "with this arrangement i and my household will stand even if all of you should turn away"
Of course majority of the Israelites actually turn away from what supposed to bind them together as one which is the law arrangement, and their reason was TO CONSIDER OTHER NATION'S IDEAS REGARDING WORSHIP!
Today Jehovah's Witnesses have emerged out of thousands of religious groups all having contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings, they're claiming that they belong to the God of Moses who separated his own worshippers from all other nations. You and your folks are now saying "it's their leaders that's separating them from all other religionists, they have to CONSIDER OTHER RELIGIONISTS AND THEIR MODE OF WORSHIP INSTEAD OF CLAIMING THEIR'S IS THE ONE AND ONLY GROUP BELONGING TO JEHOVAH"
That's where you're getting it all wrong Sir!

Just present one unique ORGANIZED group that's serving as the one God was dealing with like the day of Joshua. Remember there were people throughout the earth who were also involved in different forms of worship back then!
The idea is the ONE AND ONLY GROUP. If you can't present that, then you and your folks are NOT like Joshua who said "I will not join other nations in their worshiping that's molded in different conflicting forms".

achorladey:


Luke 4:28-28 And he added, “I tell you the truth, no prophet is acceptable in his hometown. 25 But in truth I tell you, there were many widows in Israel in Elijah’s days, when the sky was shut up three and a half years, and there was a great famine over all the land. 26 Yet Elijah was sent to none of them, but only to a woman who was a widow at Zarephath in Sidon. 27 And there were many lepers in Israel in the time of the prophet Elisha, yet none of them was cleansed except Naaman the Syrian.”

I hope you see yourself clearly in the mirror NOW . Compare and contrast the CITED Scriptures with what you are dragging with rottennaija. Is rottennaija not equally opened to SPEAKING and have DISCUSSIONS with YOU? But you LOVE to REFER HIM back to HIS FAMILY. Charity they say begins at home. Your case as it APPLIES NOT to JESUS still dey stare you in the FACE.

achorladey:



If its either "YOU ARE NOT GETTING IT" or "ONE IS A LIAR" na your way.

Was Joshua making a DECISION for the FOLD BINDING or FOR HIMSELF? Was JOSHUA and CALEB using GROUP THINKING to decide what they wanted to DO?

Acts 10: 34,35......... God is not partial Then Peter started speaking: “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism in dealing with people, 35 but in every NATION the PERSON WHO fears him and does what is right is welcomed before him.

Is it by GROUP or the INDIVIDUAL PERSON?

achorladey:



If its either "YOU ARE NOT GETTING IT" or "ONE IS A LIAR" na your way.

Was Joshua making a DECISION for the FOLD BINDING or FOR HIMSELF? Was JOSHUA and CALEB using GROUP THINKING to decide what they wanted to DO?

Acts 10: 34,35......... God is not partial Then Peter started speaking: “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism in dealing with people, 35 but in every NATION the PERSON WHO fears him and does what is right is welcomed before him.

Is it by GROUP or the INDIVIDUAL PERSON?

Janosky:


* Numbers 13:1,2, Was the Promised Land for Joshua and Caleb alone or for the Israelites?
Would Joshua and Caleb enter the Promised Land if they were not Israelites or worshipped Jehovah as Israelites ?

Would Rahab be saved if she did not join the Israelites to worship Jehovah?
Why is Achorladey deceiving himself?

*Acts 15:14 King James Bible
"Simeon hath declared how God at the first
did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a
people for his name."

In every nation the one who fears Jehovah must join with the people (the group) Jehovah God have taken out for His name.
Will Joshua and Caleb enter the Promised Land if they dissociated themselves from Israelites or renounced their status as Israelites ?

**
Matt 9:37-38, you must join the group working for the Master of the Harvest or nothing for you.
Jesus Christ worked with a group during his earthly ministry... The group stayed united under Jesus directions through the apostles, guided by holy spirit. The conversion of Saul makes this fact explicitly clear. Acts 9:3-20.

achorladey:


Luke 4:28-28 And he added, “I tell you the truth, no prophet is acceptable in his hometown. 25 But in truth I tell you, there were many widows in Israel in Elijah’s days, when the sky was shut up three and a half years, and there was a great famine over all the land. 26 Yet Elijah was sent to none of them, but only to a woman who was a widow at Zarephath in Sidon. 27 And there were many lepers in Israel in the time of the prophet Elisha, yet none of them was cleansed except Naaman the Syrian.”

I hope you see yourself clearly in the mirror NOW . Compare and contrast the CITED Scriptures with what you are dragging with rottennaija. Is rottennaija not equally opened to SPEAKING and have DISCUSSIONS with YOU? But you LOVE to REFER HIM back to HIS FAMILY. Charity they say begins at home. Your case as it APPLIES NOT to JESUS still dey stare you in the FACE.

achorladey:



If its either "YOU ARE NOT GETTING IT" or "ONE IS A LIAR" na your way.

Was Joshua making a DECISION for the FOLD BINDING or FOR HIMSELF? Was JOSHUA and CALEB using GROUP THINKING to decide what they wanted to DO?

Acts 10: 34,35......... God is not partial Then Peter started speaking: “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism in dealing with people, 35 but in every NATION the PERSON WHO fears him and does what is right is welcomed before him.

Is it by GROUP or the INDIVIDUAL PERSON?

rottennaija:


That's why I told him when he write, he should sit back, relax, read before posting. His writeup has the grumpy fingerprint of limited thinking.

Maximus69:


Hmmmmmmmmm, so rottennaija is equal to Jesus who ordered his followers to start preaching in their neighborhood but goes far to begin his own preaching and teaching in another town.
I hear you Sir!

Maximus69:
@rottennaija.

Well, i'm OK with the way my brains are functioning at least for now!

Meanwhile the Watchtower magazine will NOT be discussed here since it's NO MORE in the midst of ONLY those who believe (trust) the publishers discretion.

So you can look for your own flock elsewhere!