pansophist:




Taking the bull by the horn, with his money, resources, sacrifices, and sperm? does it sound stupid to you? also, throwing out nonsensical such as using words like ''the average Nigerian man, blaming women for the waywardness of the kids doesn't make it true, even if you've convinced yourself to believe such. A repeated lie doesn't make it a truth.

Good luck, I hope you find that idiot of a man that will fulfill that role while been denied access and influence to his kids, doubt he exist anyway.

wait me i don't get all this senseless talk from you o, what do you mean by find an idiot man that will fulfill the role and be denied access, please do well to point out anywhere i insinuated that women should deny men access to their kids ,cos i dont understand where this line of thought is coming from ,honestly.

Duggedised12:
Assumptions is for fools for him to even assume my age because of my thread ,it just shows how foolish he is .And if you see it as baseless,its actually your IQ talking . i cant help you with that.

Lol, e pain am.

So why did you put your age there if it is not your true age? see, you can keep running around circles, spinning the hamster wheel as fast as you can, but it doesn't change the fact that you are a man-hating bigot and deserve no good man. You are so daft, to the point that you cant sit back, reflect on your stance, and take necessary measures for corrections.

You quoted my first reply to ladycewhy and didn't challenge her on her stance of raising a kid without his/father, you still went ahead to blame men for being responsible for women need to prefer a financially stable man. It is also a man's fault you are searching for a husband. Idiot, no sense of responsibility, accountability, and maturity. Meathead.

pansophist:


Lol, e pain am.

So why did you put your age there if it is not your true age? see, you can keep running around circles, spinning the hamster wheel as fast as you can, but it doesn't change the fact that you are a man-hating bigot and deserve no good man. You are so daft, to the point that you cant sit back, reflect on your stance, and take necessary measures for corrections.

You quoted my first reply to ladycewhy and didn't challenge her on her stance of raising a kid without his/father, you still went ahead to blame men for being responsible for women need to prefer a financially stable man. It is also a man's fault you are searching for a husband. Idiot, no sense of responsibility, accountability, and maturity. Meathead.

i never put my age anywhere, lol ,oh now i see where this is going, well i will just have to add you to the list of people i will mention when i tie the knot ,lol .


But in all this you are yet to point out where it was said that women should deny the fathers of their children access to their kids to bond tho. Do well to quote the comment .

Ladycewhy:
wait me i don't get all this senseless talk from you o, what do you mean by find an idiot man that will fulfill the role and be denied access, please do well to point out anywhere i insinuated that women should deny men access to their kids ,cos i dont understand where this line of thought is coming from ,honestly.

Perhaps, my English skills are bad, could be, but could you in layman terms, breakdown what you meant by your comments in the first page that I quoted below?

More women need to be aware of this power they wield and stop putting out damaged adults into the society, i know some might say where are the fathers in this equation, like we have heard time and time again, their only duty is to bring money to the table so the duty falls on every woman out there to raise better sons and daughters to society. The woman has the power to shapen the next adult male not to be rhe headache of another women ,she also has the power to teach the next lady how to be self sufficient and know her worth and never to settle for less.

And most importantly, what do you mean by ''their only duty is to bring money to the table''? Placing more emphasis on the adverb ''only''?

Duggedised12:
i never put my age anywhere, lol ,oh now i see where this is going, well i will just have to add you to the list of people i will mention when i tie the knot ,lol .


But in all this you are yet to point out where it was said that women should deny the fathers of their children access to their kids to bond tho. Do well to quote the comment .

Who cares? If you mention me, I will wish you luck in your marriage, you are nothing but a faceless moniker to me here on nairaland. I don't care bae. Although, if truly you represent the nonsense you wrote here, then I already feel sorry for him. Perhaps, lots of weak men abound everywhere.

More important than the woman... the mother..... more important than the man is the family. No one man.. nor one woman can raise children better than both together as parents... not two adults...as parents. This write up can more or less help separate the parent unit... transform it into a two adult unit....and this would be the beginning of the end of the family unit. To destroy a community... a nation... destroy the family unit.... and at the same time the culture would be destroyed.
You are preaching destruction of the family and don't even know.

pansophist:


Perhaps, my English skills are bad, could be, but could you in layman terms, breakdown what you meant by your comments in the first page that I quoted below?



And most importantly, what do you mean by ''their only duty is to bring money to the table''? Placing more emphasis on the adverb ''only''?

the complete statement reads "like we have heard time and time again .... ". Which translates to what i said earlier of men thinking the their duties ends when they pay the school fees ,buy the clothes, pay the rent ,provide feeding money and so on. You maybe be right ,your English skills are bad ,lol.

Ladycewhy:
the complete statement reads "like we have heard time and time again .... ". Which translates to what i said earlier of men thinking the their duties ends when they pay the school fees ,buy the clothes, pay the rent ,provide feeding money and so on. You maybe be right ,your English skills are bad ,lol.

I do not expect you to be responsible, or have even the basics of common sense, most feminist are like that anyway. You may try to dissasociate from your manhating post on this thread, but it is here for everyone to see.

The future is female lol

pansophist:


Who cares? If you mention me, I will wish you luck in your marriage, you are nothing but a faceless moniker to me here on nairaland. I don't care bae. Although, if truly you represent the nonsense you wrote here, then I already feel sorry for him. Perhaps, lots of weak men abound everywhere.

oh you do care, atleast it ust have taken you hours to go through my thread lol, to even keep repeating my age with all certiainty like say na you help me sign my birthday certificate. Lol ,i literally had to laugh at that tho, it was such a foolish assumption.

My dear ,you dont have to feel sorry for him, maybe you should be thinking of how to keep your own home ,cos i suspect you are one of those baby's daddies na im make the thing pain you reach bone sotey you dey make up things for your head. No one is denying you access to your kid o,you better go and make peace with your baby mama .

pansophist:


I do not expect you to be responsible, or have even the basics of common sense, most feminist are like that anyway. You may try to dissasociate from your manhating post on this thread, but it is here for everyone to see.

The future is female lol

na you know wetin be your problem,i have explained ,yet you keep ranting, i cant see where i wrote that women should deny the father of their children access to their kids, you just came up with the assumptions even when i have clarified for some reason you are bent on holding on to what you have cooked up in your head na you come know o.

Duggedised12:
oh you do care, atleast it ust have taken you hours to go through my thread lol, to even keep repeating my age with all certiainty like say na you help me sign my birthday certificate. Lol ,i literally had to laugh at that tho, it was such a foolish assumption.

My dear ,you dont have to feel sorry for him, maybe you should be thinking of how to keep your own home ,cos i suspect you are one of those baby's daddies na im make the thing pain you reach bone sotey you dey make up things for your head. No one is denying you access to your kid o,you better go and make peace with your baby mama .

My kid will grow up in a loving home, with his/her mum, the dad (me), in the best of the luxury and opportunities life can offer, in a prosperous country. Do you seriously believe that I am a baby daddy even if I vehemently preach against single parenthood? Now convince me that you are not daft

Ladycewhy:
very well said, the future is in the hands of the woman, its up to her to instil the traits and norm she wants to retain in her offspring to break the circle of archaic thought processes that does not fit in with the present day. The future is female. Raise your sons better!

@ CHoccolaTE

So explain to me what you meant by ''the future is female''.

pansophist:


My kid will grow up in a loving home, with his/her mum, the dad (me), in the best of the luxury of opportunities life can offer. You seriously believe that I am a baby daddy even if I vehemently preach against single parenthood? Now convince me that you are not daft

then what is your problem,lets talk ,cos you seem to have one, lol. First you make stupid assumptions, then you throw accusations ,there is a problem with you, cos you sure took out time to check me out ,it means what i said must have hit you deep. What is your issue?

pansophist:


So explain to me what you meant by ''the future is female''.

if you had read and understood everything else before that statement ,you would not need to be asking me this question. Go back read,i will not do this pointless back and forth with you.

Duggedised12:
then what is your problem,lets talk ,cos you seem to have one, lol. First you make stupid assumptions, then you throw accusations ,there is a problem with you, cos you sure took out time to check me out ,it means what i said must have hit you deep. What is your issue?

Hit me deep lol park well jare.

If you noticed, I didn't reply to you for over 24 hours ago, I have free time now hence, I decided to reply to my mentions. Checking a man-hater out? Olorun maje. Tufiakwa. I had to check your profile for inconsistencies, as I couldn't believe you could be passive about the rubbish spewed with your fellow man-haters.

Go sleep. You are inconsequential.

pansophist:


Hit me deep lol park well jare.

If you noticed, I didn't reply to you for over 24 hours ago, I have free time now hence, I decided to reply to my mentions. Checking a man-hater out? Olorun maje. Tufiakwa. I had to check your profile for inconsistencies, as I couldn't believe you could be passive about the rubbish spewed with your fellow man-haters.

Go sleep. You are inconsequential.

inconsequential ,lol how contradictive.


Manhater,lol, nothing person nor go hear for una hand,so me telling women to raise their sons better and to teach their daughters to have self esteem makes me a man hater ,lol OK .

Duggedised12:
inconsequential ,lol how contradictive.


Manhater,lol, nothing person nor go hear for una hand,so me telling women to raise their sons better and to teach their daughters to have self esteem makes me a man hater ,lol OK .

SO explain to me why you are passive and didn't call her out when she wrote this nonsensical as quote below and even went further to challenge my corrections with lies such as men placing their value only on being the provider?

i know some might say where are the fathers in this equation, like we have heard time and time again, their only duty is to bring money to the table

pansophist:


SO explain to me why you are passive and didn't call her out when she wrote this nonsensical as quote below and even went further to challenge my corrections with lies such as men placing their value only on being the provider?

cos i understood where she was driving at, it is you that is taking her words and trying to twist it. Till now you have not said where she categorically stated that women should deny men access to see their kids or that woman should relegate men to being just providers .

She started the thread with the popular saying that
"Women have nothing to offer but sex" , "the only thing women are good for is popping out babies".
Which lead to the other parts of her write up.

In a typical marriage setting ,how will a woman even deny a man access to his kids? But it seems the only relationship you have in your head is the distorted version, which is the baby daddy/baby daddy.

You are just bent on twisting this thread and making it look like anyone said men should be denied access to their kids when in actual fact no one even mentioned it, you even went as far as copying a comment half way to twist the meaning , Na wah for you sha. Believe what you want ,i nor fit talk .

pansophist:


SO explain to me why you are passive and didn't call her out when she wrote this nonsensical as quote below and even went further to challenge my corrections with lies such as men placing their value only on being the provider?

Na you have their time. They will create non-existent problems and start attacking the fantasies they create. I don't know where in Nigeria that men don't contribute to their kids upbringing aside finance. African men that are disciplinarian. Must grown up guys hardly have good rapport with their fathers and talk with their fathers with ultimate respect because of strict disciplines they got from their fathers when they were kids, especially the ones that their fathers are teachers. I still remember when I went to my friend's house some years back, I was surprised his father asked him to kneel down when he did something wrong, a 300 level student then for that matter.
We lived closed to barracks so some of my friends fathers were retired old soldiers. Whenever they narrate how their fathers beat them at home, you would be thanking God for your father.
My best friend then whenever he sighted his dad's car while we were playing ball, before you look back, my brother, the guy don disappear. No one among us I have a father that's not strict.
Back then whenever you did something wrong and your mother says she will report you to your father when he comes back from work, just know you are a dead meat. If you ask nairaland guys who they fear most BTW their father and mother, don't be surprised that more than 80% will say their fathers.

These people will just create nonsense on top of their heads and start attacking it to make it look real.

Originalsly:
More important than the woman... the mother..... more important than the man is the family. No one man.. nor one woman can raise children better than both together as parents... not two adults...as parents. This write up can more or less help separate the parent unit... transform it into a two adult unit....and this would be the beginning of the end of the family unit. To destroy a community... a nation... destroy the family unit.... and at the same time the culture would be destroyed.
You are preaching destruction of the family and don't even know.

this is what i am yet to get what the issue is, please where did i say the family unit should be destroyed?

Over the years a child's waywardness is solely the mothers fault,it is always the mother who didn't raise the child well,so why can't women be charged to do better and raise better adults? How is that destroying the family unit?

Korllami007:


Na you have their time. They will create non-existent problems and start attacking the fantasies they create. I don't know where in Nigeria that men don't contribute to their kids upbringing aside finance. African men that are disciplinarian. Must grown up guys hardly have good rapport with their fathers and talk with their fathers with ultimate respect because of strict disciplines they got from their fathers when they were kids, especially the ones that their fathers are teachers. I still remember when I went to my friend's house some years back, I was surprised his father asked him to kneel down when he did something wrong, a 300 level student then for that matter.
We lived closed to barracks so some of my friends fathers were retired old soldiers. Whenever they narrate how their fathers beat them at home, you would be thanking God for your father.
My best friend then whenever he sighted his dad's car while we were playing ball, before you look back, my brother, the guy don disappear.
Back then whenever you did something wrong and your mother says she will report you to your father when he comes back from work, just know you are a dead meat.

These people will just create nonsense on top of their heards and start attacking it to make it look real.

with all this ,we still have rapists ,fraudsters, ritualist, armed robbers , so much for disciplinarians.

Efcc said the other day that they now have yahoo boys mothers association ,ever wondered why the yahoo boys fathers were never mentioned?

Ladycewhy:
this is what i am yet to get what the issue is, please where did i say the family until should be destroyed?

Over the years a child's waywardness is solely the mothers fault,it is always the mother who didn't raise the child well,so why can't women be charged to do better and raise better adults? How is that destroying the family unit?

.. You are a very unstable personality. Read this your comment,relate it to the one I made that got you angry.

JONNYSPUTE:
.. You are a very unstable personality. Read this your comment,relate it to the one I made that got you angry.

you were more concerned about a dress code of which it has been proven that a person's perception on what is proper dressing is relative either based on religion or other factors. I can dress in a trouser and top and another person like a deeper lifer will see it as immoral or someone from another religion will even see it as a crime.

Which is why i asked you how you feel a dress code will affect future nation building,i only asked you a question.

pansophist:


Lol, e pain am.

So why did you put your age there if it is not your true age? see, you can keep running around circles, spinning the hamster wheel as fast as you can, but it doesn't change the fact that you are a man-hating bi got and deserve no good man. You are so daft, to the point that you cant sit back, reflect on your stance, and take necessary measures for corrections.

You quoted my first reply to ladycewhy and didn't challenge her on her stance of raising a kid without his/father, you still went ahead to blame men for being responsible for women need to prefer a financially stable man. It is also a man's fault you are searching for a husband. Idiot, no sense of responsibility, accountability, and maturity. Meathead.

this comment from you is uncalled for, you black men, any small thing,"you will never find a man that will marry you like this" bla bla bla, lol, over and over again, but is there anything like "you will never find any woman that will put up with this your character"? Cos there seems to be a void, many marriages are crashing because many men thought all they need to keep a marriage is their money.

I went to read her thread she was jilted after a long term relationship ,which is why when i tell women that a relationship should not exceed two years without solid commitment ,una go still call me man hater.

Anyways ,you too should be more concerned about your own life my brother,cos who knows if your own wife will not leave you, or do you have guarantee that your own marriage will last? many men are also unable to settle down ,i know a few who are in their early 40s on this forum , when all they need to do is make money and pick one (according to nairaland boys),but e nor easy like that, even you ,are your mates not married? I can also tell you that with your attitude and the way you have been insulting people here with no provocation ,the universe should give you a wife just like you cos you dont deserve peace in your life, except you will be marrying a robot Lol na so life just be.

Ladycewhy:
you were more concerned about a dress code of which it has been proven that a person's perception on what is proper dressing is relative either based on religion or other factors. I can dress in a trouser and top and another person like a deeper lifer will see it as immoral or someone from another religion will even see it as a crime.

Which is why i asked you how you feel a dress code will affect future nation building,i only asked you a question.

.. I was not concerned about the dressing the mother made the little girl to wear rather the attitude she portrayed when I and the older women there corrected her. Now tell me how can this particular woman impact positively in raising that child. You are here shouting to anybody that cares that women should be charged to raise better children and I gave one instance,instead of you to relate and deduce the implication of her actions towards raising the said child to be a better person,you turned it to a fight.And in your mind you don't realise that that action alone can make that child start feeling that dressing nude is not bad? I stand to be corrected that if that woman would have been a man,he will gladly and humbly take the correction.Let always try to argue to learn and not to proof a point.

JONNYSPUTE:
.. I was not concerned about the dressing the mother made the little girl to wear rather the attitude she portrayed when I and the older women there corrected her. Now tell me how can this particular woman impact positively in raising that child. You are here shouting to anybody that cares that women should be charged to raise better children and I gave one instance,instead of you to relate and deduce the implication of her actions towards raising the said child to be a better person,you turned it to a fight.And in your mind you don't realise that that action alone can make that child start feeling that dressing nude is not bad? I stand to be corrected that if that woman would have been a man,he will gladly and humbly take the correction.Let always try to argue to learn and not to proof a point.

You were not concerned about the dressing but you made it your duty to tell her how you felt about it based on how you perceive a child should be dressed .

I am guessing you told her in the presence of the child ,which means you too were trying to make the child feel bad , and she felt she needed to protect her child. This life manner of approach is everything.


Now this thread is about raising better adults, you felt the need to correct a mother on how she dressed her child but you failed to let us know what the child was wearing and how it will impact on nation building. Her telling you to mind your business was a mechanism to protect her child from body shammers who till now still think a scantily dressed lady is more dangerous to society than the yahoo boys ,drug abusers ,rapists etc running around.


To her, what her child is wearing may be OK, but the fact that you don't like it doesn't make it immoral, like i said, a trouser and a top is an immoral dressing to some people while others see nothing wrong.

Ladycewhy:
You were not concerned about the dressing but you made it your duty to tell her how you felt about it based on how you perceive a child should be dressed .

I am guessing you told her in the presence of the child ,which means you too were trying to make the child feel bad , and she felt she needed to protect her child. This life manner of approach is everything.


Now this thread is about raising better adults, you felt the need to correct a mother on how she dressed her child but you failed to let us know what the child was wearing and how it will impact on nation building. Her telling you to mind your business was a mechanism to protect her child from body shammers who till now still think a scantily dressed lady is more dangerous to society than the yahoo boys ,drug abusers ,rapists etc running around.


To her, what her child is wearing my be OK, but the fact that you don't like it doesn't make it immoral, like i said, a trouser and a top is an immoral dressing to some people while others see nothing wrong.

.. You win.bye.

RottenBanana:


Respect is not given, it is taken. If you are not respected, it's because you don't deserve it. If someone has a mental picture that you don't deserve their respect. You simply haven't earned it. It's now up to you if the price of their respect is worth it. It's a free world.

Stop confusing respect with self worth. Anybody can think highly of themself because of the quality they think they possess. But to someone who those qualities have little or no value to, you don't automatically get their respect.

When women start taking responsibilities that benefits men. Men will have no choice but to respect women.

The men who disrespects women are the ones that are not benefitting anything from them.

[/b]In few relationships where the woman brings more to the table, the man respects the woman. The woman calls the shots[b].

The issue I have with this thread is that you are blaming you problems on men again.

Nobody owes you anything.

I don't agree @ bolded
Relationships where women bring more to the table,they're still expected to be submissive to the man.The man won't tolerate the woman trying to call the shots,as you said
It's just something that has to do with the male ego.
That's one of the reasons why men feel that they have more worth than women.

Duggedised12:
Assumptions is for fools for him to even assume my age because of my thread ,it just shows how foolish he is .And if you see it as baseless,its actually your IQ talking . i cant help you with that.

Tell you what, I give up. I give up that you saw a direct question and all you chose to talk about is his assumption of your age. I give up because admitting you don't have an answer to that question pansophist asked you and you trying to answer it will make you come out as a doubled standard fool, is difficult for you. Like he rightly said, look for that weak man that will accept you for you and do those rubbish you have in mind.

Omar09:

[s]
Tell you what, I give up. I give up that you saw a direct question and all you chose to talk about is his assumption of your age. I give up because admitting you don't have an answer to that question pansophist asked you and you trying to answer it will make you come out as a doubled standard fool, is difficult for you. Like he rightly said, look for that weak man that will accept you for you and do those rubbish you have in mind. [/s]

twisting words of people isn't a question but an accusation.

As for me getting a weak man,there is definitely a man for every woman,so long as his rod works,his pocket is stable and he doesn't drill asses in the closet ,he is a real man ,lol, i hope you get the one that fits you too.

Omar09:


Tell you what, I give up. I give up that you saw a direct question and all you chose to talk about is his assumption of your age. I give up because admitting you don't have an answer to that question pansophist asked you and you trying to answer it will make you come out as a doubled standard fool, is difficult for you. Like he rightly said, look for that weak man that will accept you for you and do those rubbish you have in mind.

bla bla bla, utter rubbish You and him both lack comprehension and keep making stupid baseless accusations and trying to twist my words ,so just shup up please .

No where on this thread did anyone say men should be prevented from bonding with their kids except you are aiming to be a baby daddy in life sha ,awon seed planter. Aspire to be a better farther,no woman will prevent a responsible baby daddy from bonding with his kid. As for a husband,it is impossible for a woman to prevent her husband from bonding with his kids, that is a fact.stop supporting baseless accusations.

Ladycewhy:
bla bla bla, utter rubbish You and him both lack comprehension and keep making stupid baseless accusations and trying to twist my words ,so just shup up please .

No where on this thread did anyone say men should be prevented from bonding with their kids except you are aiming to be a baby daddy in life sha ,awon seed planter. Aspire to be a better farther,no woman will prevent a responsible baby daddy from bonding with his kid. As for a husband,it is impossible for a woman to prevent her husband from bonding with his kids, that is a fact.stop supporting baseless accusations.

I am not twisting anything you said. In fact most of what y'all said was going good till y'all started arguing even to the point you Ladycewhy had to start making baseless argument with Jonnyspute idk if I got his name right.

My own is this, answer the questions Pansophist asked nothing more. All you and your folks are doing is to beat about the bush and not hitting the questions head on.