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| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 9:08pm On Dec 08, 2019 |
shadeyinka:I don't have to tell you the nitty gritty of the creative activities of Yahweh himself as far as Genesis creation is concerned, your delusion have blocked your stone cold heart from the truth. Q 1. Genesis 1:1-31, He,Yahweh created heaven and earth. Hebrew 1:1-2, Yahweh created the universe THROUGH His son. (Additional info from the scriptures). Q2. * Genesis 2:1-2 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. 2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. *Is the God of Genesis 2:1-2 who rested from his creative works, He or triune ? *********** The deception is coming from Shadeyinka's dubious attempts to add his own maggi sauce & twists into the holy Scriptures. Genesis 1:1-31 is jargon to triune deity pagans pretending to be Christians, no wahala. Greek ' Dia' =THROUGH (him)/By means of (him) " in John1:3, Hebrew 1:2 & Col 1:16 is jargon to triune deity pagans pretending to be Christians, no wahala. |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by chrmn1: 9:55pm On Dec 08, 2019 |
Daejoyoung:God indeed is a spirit. But if the word of God declares that that God who is a Spirit also has a spirit that searches all things even the deep things of God, who am I to question its position? I would rather agree with that position than agree with a contrary position. See the passage below again: "For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God" (1 Cor 2:11) I am not interested in any council of Nicea but pointing out a concept that is very clear in the scriptures. You see in my previous post I did not say that the nature of man is same as the nature of God but that the concept of the triune nature of man is reflective of God's triune nature. For example the spirit of a man dwells inside man but the Spirit of God was called to dwell in the hearts of the Church today whilst the Father is in heaven. They are three personalities but one in essence. |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 10:52pm On Dec 08, 2019 |
chrmn1:TRASH as usual. Copy and paste plagiarists. 1 cor8:5,6 man is theos , angel is Theo's, God is theos. No proof that Jesus Christ is God. No place in the Greek interlinear where Jesus is tov theon (the God). None !!! "Tov theon (the God) is Exclusive to the God Almighty,Father of Jesus. "The original Greek construction of the last part of the verse is "and God (Theos) was the Word." That makes it nominative", as in Jesus is divine in nature (= a god). |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by shadeyinka(m): 11:13pm On Dec 08, 2019 |
Janosky:According to you, the son of Yahweh created the world through him (by instruction from Yahweh himself.) My question 1. Who did the work? 2. Who rested after the work? Very simple question that you will sidestep again in volumes of irrelevant nonsense! It seems the son of Yahweh didn't have to rest because he did no work!!?? |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 11:23pm On Dec 08, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Your statement is OUTSIDE the realm of the holy Scriptures. Please rephrase it.. Thanks. |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by shadeyinka(m): 11:25pm On Dec 08, 2019 |
Janosky:See evasive move as usual. If Jesus did the actual work of creation (as directed by Yahweh), who rested from work? Too simple a question! |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 12:00am On Dec 09, 2019 |
shadeyinka:You repeated both questions. Q1. I have given you the proof in your own copy of the Bible. Genesis 1:1-31. Hebrew 1:1-2. Q2. Genesis 2:1-2. Shadeyinka> "Very simple question that you will sidestep again in volumes of irrelevant nonsense!" Genesis 1:1-31. Hebrew 1:1-2.Genesis 2:1-2. are volumes of irrelevant nonsense!" to triune deity pagans pretending to be Christian, no wahala. Shadeyinka> "It seems the son of Yahweh didn't have to rest because he did no work!!??." Now that Shadeyinka dey vex say Yahweh takes the credit for the Genesis account of creation, shepaly lodge your complaint to your triune deity & await the response..... Wetin Musa no go see for gate ? |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by shadeyinka(m): 12:45am On Dec 09, 2019 |
Janosky:I am not surprised at your evasive moves. I didn't ask for who gets the credit, that's why I inserted the clause "as directed by Jehovah"! Let me remind you of the question again shadeyinka:The truth know no fear! |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by chrmn1: 1:34am On Dec 09, 2019*. Modified: 4:04am On Dec 09, 2019 |
Janosky:What you are requesting is unrealistic. The phrase "ton theon" or "Ho theos" was used in the new testament mostly in reference to Almighty God. That phrase "the God": rarely will you see it used in reference to other gods and so you think that because Ton theon was used in John1:1, the Word is not Almighty God. That's wrong. You people added "a" to the original text. It is not there. There are so many scriptures where theos is used for the Almighty God. In Acts 28:6 "a god" is used and the word is Theon. |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by shadeyinka(m): 3:37pm On Dec 09, 2019*. Modified: 7:47pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
chrmn1:Janosky is always like that. He never read a tiny bit about your explanation, neither does he care about studies other than that he had been brainwashed with. Any scripture not in accordance to their organizations doctrine is an error even when the truth is glaring. I have asked him several times now who rested after doing the work of creation and I am yet to receive an answer. |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by CAPTIVATOR: 5:19pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
chrmn1:Why add " a" to Act 28:6 ? Question 2: Can the Almighty have a God ? |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by CAPTIVATOR: 5:21pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
chrmn1:Let me call a friend of mine here first cc Barristter07 . That aside, I have a question on that 1Cor 2:11 , Does the Spirit of God , which am assuming third person of Trinity know the day and hour of the end ? |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by CAPTIVATOR: 5:24pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
shadeyinka:You forgotten Yahweh created Jesus himself in the first place hence the bible said all things are created Through Yahweh as well. |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by CAPTIVATOR: 5:27pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
shadeyinka:So much fr immortal soul Did Jesus soul die as prophesied by Isaiah ? ![]() |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Daejoyoung: 5:43pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
CAPTIVATOR:The spirit of God is God himself, just an outflow of God with respect to our world and us. So yes, if God knows the hour, and the spirit of God is able to search the mind of God( according to the same bible) then it makes sense that the spirit also knows the hour. |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by CAPTIVATOR: 5:48pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
Daejoyoung: You are offside, always hiding under the " God " title, My point is: Is the Spirit of God the same person called " Father " ? Only then I can take you serious on whether it knows or not. |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Daejoyoung: 5:58pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
CAPTIVATOR:Father is the source of the spirit, the spirit proceeds from the father, so they are not seperate. The Father in my view can only relate to our world through his Holyspirit, because the Father is outside the entire universe. The universe itself came from the Father and he cannot dwell in the universe, but the spirit is like a fountain from the Father in the universe and in man. So the Spirit alone knows the mind of God and reveals from it as he wants. |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by CAPTIVATOR: 6:03pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
Daejoyoung:When you say they are not separate, Are you saying Holy spirit is not a person ? |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Daejoyoung: 6:06pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
CAPTIVATOR:it depends on what we mean by spirit, is a spirit a person? l don't know if Holyspirit is a person or not, but l think thinking of him as a person causes confusion sometimes. There are passages in the bible that suggests he acts as a person(probably whenever he dwells in humans and speak through them), at other times he is a fire that can be quenched when dwelling in us, at other times he is like a fountain of water. God is simply a mystery. |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by CAPTIVATOR: 6:17pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
Daejoyoung:Smiles, Okay wait let allow the person I actually quoted reply . You are interesting anyway |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by chrmn1: 7:13pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
CAPTIVATOR:The bible did not mention explicitly. However we can make deductions from scriptures. My guess is that He does know but even then the bible says He only speaks what He is given to speak. (John 16:13) |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 7:32pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Everyone can see you, Shadeyinka, are not in agreement with Genesis 1:1-31.>He, Yahweh created the heaven and earth. Hebrew 1:1-2>. Yahweh created the universe THROUGH His son. Genesis 2:1-2 > He,Yahweh rested. Janosky stays within the bounds of Yahweh's inspired expression of the creation account. Who is Janosky to dictate for Yahweh? Since Yahweh's inspired expression are Shadeyinka's " volumes of irrelevant nonsense!", your "sense" is top notch. Go & write your own Bible. Case closed. |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by shadeyinka(m): 7:46pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
CAPTIVATOR:Since you'll like to help your struggling friend. The question is explicit and simple! I have even helped you to clarify by inserting the clause you like to use "as directed" If Jesus did the actual work of creation (as directed by Yahweh), who rested from work? |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 7:49pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Yahweh says He rested, you read the evidence in your own bible @Genesis 2:1-2. Lies too deh sweet for your mouth, . Gentlemen in the House, beware of this clown who knows more than the Almighty Supreme Eyewitness.... Triune deity pagan pretending to be Christian. |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by shadeyinka(m): 7:50pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
CAPTIVATOR:What is Death? If you can't correctly answer this, there is no use answering you |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by shadeyinka(m): 8:00pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
Janosky:See what you've been afraid to say! Let me oblige you with the question and answer. Question: If Jesus did the actual work of creation (as directed by Yahweh), who rested from work? Answer The actual work of creation was done by Jehovah! Gen1:1 Jehovah rested from His work of creation on the seventh day! Gen2:2 The actual work of creation was done by Jesus! Col1:16 He rested from His work on the seventh day |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 8:12pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
chrmn1:chrmn1 post= "What you are requesting is unrealistic." For your mind..... chrmn1 post= "The phrase "ton theon" was used in the new testament mostly in reference to Almighty God." (148 times, the Almighty God. Not the Word (Jesus). That's what Greek John1:1 is saying). chrmn1 post= In Acts 28:6 "a god" is used and the word is Theon. (Yes, the people thought Paul was "the God" . Were Greek gods immortal?In Greek John 1:1,is the Word (Jesus) Ton theon ("the God" ? How many times was that phrase "ton theon" applied to Jesus? |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by chrmn1: 8:19pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
CAPTIVATOR:Use of "a" many a times is discretionary because in translating words from one language to another such problems are commonplace. The point I am making is that whether Theon or Theos is used is not enough justification that one exclusively is used for Almighty God. "Can Almighty have a God?" They are one in essence the same way the Spirit of God is essentialy divine yet from scriptures He seems to have a different personality from the Father. |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by chrmn1: 8:26pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
Janosky:Wrong! The greeks had a pluralistic concept about "God" so saying that Theon was used because they thought Paul was "God" is quite wrong. |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 8:30pm On Dec 09, 2019*. Modified: 9:55pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Shadeyinka quote> "He rested from His work on the seventh day" "He" Yahweh rested. Genesis 2:1-2. Yahweh is NOT Jesus. John 14:1. 17:3. |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 8:43pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
chrmn1:If Jesus was spoken of in Acts28:6, you will forget "The greeks had a pluralistic concept about "God" because tov Theon was used". Lol..... You would even claim that's the reason he didn't die @ Acts 28:6. Greek gods were not truly immortal.... you know. |
| Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by chrmn1: 9:01pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
Janosky:No sir. I never based Jesus' divinity on the use of Theon and Theos. |
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