chrmn1:

No sir. I never based Jesus' divinity on the use of Theon and Theos.

chrmn1:

The bible did not mention explicitly. However we can make deductions from scriptures. My guess is that He does know but even then the bible says He only speaks what He is given to speak. (John 16:13)

CAPTIVATOR:


According to 1 Cor 2:11 that you quote, It KNOWS ALL things of God, does that mean this verse is a Lie ?

Janosky:

Jesus is a divine being= divinity=divine nature. Not Almighty God.
Greek John1:1 'the Word Jesus was with the God (Almighty).

chrmn1:

Use of "a" many a times is discretionary because in translating words from one language to another such problems are commonplace.

The point I am making is that whether Theon or Theos is used is not enough justification that one exclusively is used for Almighty God.

"Can Almighty have a God?" They are one in essence the same way the Spirit of God is essentialy divine yet from scriptures He seems to have a different personality from the Father.

chrmn1:

That's why I said my guess is that HE KNOWS. I am actually agreeing not disagreeing.

shadeyinka:

What is Death?

If you can't correctly answer this, there is no use answering you

shadeyinka:

Since you'll like to help your struggling friend. The question is explicit and simple! I have even helped you to clarify by inserting the clause you like to use "as directed"

If Jesus did the actual work of creation (as directed by Yahweh), who rested from work?

CAPTIVATOR:


You therefore have no right to criticize the NWT use at John 1:1 .
Acts 28:6 talks about the men thinking that Paul was "a god" or "God" in which case we all know they were incorrect. So if "a god" was used here, it was perfectly normal because the context tells that Paul is not God. On the other hand in John 1:1 there is an unresolved argument about the divinity of Jesus and so bias would stick out more clearly here.


Jesus is not God Almighty, so he is still a God like others

When you say he is a god like others. May I know who all the others are? Moses was called a god to Pharoah, children of God are called gods but are they to be worshipped? Jesus on the other hand was worshipped and even forgave sins.



By essence you mean nature, Thats a silly attempt at evading the Fact that Jesus has a God ( Rev 3:12) ... Are u aware that humans also have divine nature, Does that make them Almighty God ?

chrmn1:


Jesus has a God because He is human and divine at the same time.

CAPTIVATOR:


Impossible, Its either he is a Divine Spirit being or an human ... A Spirit does not have flesh and bones. So you contradict yourself. Is Jesus divine or man in heaven ? Take note Rev 3:12 happened in heaven and he still said he has a God, Is he human or divine in heaven ?

chrmn1:

He had to take up the nature of man because of the redemptive work he had to do. He is a human with a glorified body but also God. He is a spirit being but with a glorified body.

If he wasn't God, it would be sinful to worship Him but even God declares, "let the angels worship Him"

CAPTIVATOR:
Am sorry to use the word clueless reply for you. Cos you missied d entire point am driving at.


Revelation 3:12 occur in heaven, Jesus said he has a God, Mr is he Human or divine spirit when he said this ? He cant be both. Cos spirit doesn't have flesh and blood.

When he said he has a God, was he divine or not ?

Yes He was divine at the time. I'll explain. He is human wearing a glorified body. It is only reasonable that a human would acknowledge the lordship of the Father.
The mystery is in the fact that He has not lost His divinity. When he came to the world he stripped himself of divinity. But he prayed, "Father glorify me with the glory I had with You before the world was" (John 17:5)

Angels are strictly spirit beings without flesh and blood but Jesus is a spiritual being with flesh and bones. It was a unique creation after the resurrection little wonder Thomas said to Him, "my Lord and my God"

If Thomas erred Jesus would have corrected him.






Jesus declare too that Humans be worshipped in the bible, does that make those humans God ??

chrmn1:


Where does Jesus say that humans should be worshipped?

CAPTIVATOR:



Exodus 20:11


"for in six days Yahweh made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore Yahweh blessed the Sabbath day, and made it holy. " - WEB ( World English Bible )

It has answered you.


Is Jesus,Yahweh the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob? I think thats the real question that needed answer.

CAPTIVATOR:


What does death mean in this sentence " Body dies" . exactly what I mean.

So did Jesus soul also die like his Body ? was Isaiah prophecy fulfilled ?


We know it was prophesied that Messiah soul will die. Deal with it

Janosky:


Shadeyinka quote> "He rested from His work on the seventh day"
"He" Yahweh rested. Genesis 2:1-2.
Yahweh is NOT Jesus. John 14:1. 17:3.

CAPTIVATOR:


Firstly, Jesus said A Spirit being cannot have flesh and blood, For you to say he was divine spirit when speaking at Rev 3:12 means He wasnt human. Hence has a God. He isnt Almighty

^^
For Jesus asking humans to accept worship



King James Bible
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

In your own logic, If those humans are not God, they wont have been worshipped ' right ?

CAPTIVATOR:


I actually wanted to draw you out clearly, Matthew 24:36 , Jesus said ONLY the Father knows , If your guess is true, Jesus lied ?

chrmn1:


If Jesus said "only the Father knows" that statement does not preclude the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father.

That scripture reads "Which man knows the things of man apart from the spirit of the man; the same way no one knows the the things of God apart from the Spirit of God" (paraphrased)

If a man has a secret that no one else knows, by the sentiment of the above scripture we can say that man alone knows his secret and his spirit equally knows his secret but these are not two persons but one person . In fact when you say only the man knows the secret you don't need to say the man's spirit knows the secret also. Its already implied because the man's spirit knows everything about the man.

If Jesus said only the Father knows the hour, He doesn't need to mention the Spirit seperately. It is implied by reason of the fact that the Spirit of God has access to the secrets of the Father.

chrmn1:


Jesus is spirit, soul and body existing as one just like you and me. Difference is that he has a glorified body. After the resurrection, he asked Thomas to touch his palm and Thomas in doing so could feel the hole with which his arm was pierced. It was that same way he was taken up to heaven.

You quoted Revelations 3:9 "Look! I will make those from the synagogue of Satan who say they are Jews yet are not, but are lying—look! I will make them come and bow before your feet and make them know that I have loved you." (NWT)

You can see that the version that you trust does not mention "worship". In fact if you look up most of the translations no mention of "worship" is made.

Good morning!

CAPTIVATOR:


I actually wanted to draw you out clearly, Matthew 24:36 , Jesus said ONLY the Father knows , If your guess is true, Jesus lied ?

CAPTIVATOR:


Father and his spirit are same persons not different

So Trinity is false ?

CAPTIVATOR:
Is KJV now unreliable ?



Glorified body with wounds ? Thats not glorified

Its either he is human or divine spirit, he cant be both. In Rev 3:12 is he human ?



Have you forgotten the same NWT doesnt use worship for Jesus too, do you agree with it on that ?

Is KJV wrong ?

More issues for you

chrmn1:


They are three personalities but one in essence.

chrmn1
but these are not two persons but one person .

CAPTIVATOR:


Three persons

Says this Guy, but below he reduced the personality to two .



Father and spirit = one person.

Jesus = second person

Two personalities

CAPTIVATOR:
Is KJV now unreliable ?



Glorified body with wounds ? Thats not glorified

Its either he is human or divine spirit, he cant be both. In Rev 3:12 is he human ?



Have you forgotten the same NWT doesnt use worship for Jesus too, do you agree with it on that ?

Is KJV wrong ?

More issues for you

CAPTIVATOR:
Is KJV now unreliable ?



Glorified body with wounds ? Thats not glorified

Its either he is human or divine spirit, he cant be both. In Rev 3:12 is he human ?




Have you forgotten the same NWT doesnt use worship for Jesus too, do you agree with it on that ?

Is KJV wrong ?

More issues for you

CAPTIVATOR:


Father and his spirit are same persons not different

So Trinity is false ?

chrmn1:

Claiming that he must be either man or divine spirit but not both would not hold water if not substantiated with scriptures.

Oh are you saying the bible doesnt mention that Thomas placed his finger into his palm and felt the hole that was created when Jesus' palms was pierced? This happening showed his humanity.

He was just as human as he was divine in revelations because there was no change in his state between the encounter with Thomas and that time.

Is NWT now unreliable that you had to quote KJV?

chrmn1:

Not an issue for me at all because Thomas calls him my lord and my God and he didn't shut Thomas' mouth at all.

I'll say it again. God will never sanction the worship of any entity other than God.

chrmn1:

Father, Son and Spirit are three different persons but are essentially one. The Father would not be able to carry out His role as God without the role of the Word and the Spirit.

The bible calls the Holy Spirit the Spirit of the Christ. They are three inseperable entities each having their seperate identities notwithstanding.