Barristter07:


The point is clear, those three men entertained by Abraham are angels ( Heb 13:2) .

You are just repeating yourself contrary to what is plainly written.

Repeating this a thousand times changes nothing!

Barristter07:


His position is correct, even humans are called Gods. " YE ARE GODS " . But do humans have a God ? Do Jesus have a God ? Thats the main point. The Almighty/Supreme God will never be under the control of anyone

Lame argument of people with two gods.
Is any human called "a mighty god?"

Isa 44:6:
"Thus said the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God ."

Isa 44:8:
"Fear you not, neither be afraid: have not I told you from that time, and have declared it? you are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yes, there is no God; I know not any."

Isa 45:21:
"Tell you, and bring them near; yes, let them take counsel together: who has decla[b][/b]red this from ancient time? who has told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me."

Hos 13:4:
"Yet I am the LORD your God from the land of Egypt, and you shall know no god but me: for there is no savior beside me."

Hosea summarised it, there is no SAVIOUR beside me.

I rest my case!

Barristter07:

John 1:18 no man has seen God at ANYTIME . the suitable form idea is destroyed by that " Anytime " clause. If there were suitable form, it would be a lie .


A vision isn't even real . see where your desperate attempt led you ?

A vision isn't real and the angel would have slain Balam if not because his donkey was more sensible than him!

Barristter07:


He referred to everything that makes him up, in its entirety . not just ordinary flesh but his existence as a living soul.

U can't say someone die, if they only remove their skin like snake . Which is your theory . ordinary skin dies not the person

Jesus is ashamed of you right now, You just rubbish the saying Jesus die for mankind since its ordinary skin that was removed and Christ isn't dead but living

You is your body
You is your soul and
You is your spirit

Ignorance is no excuse!

CAPTIVATOR:


Let me call a friend of mine here first cc Barristter07 .

That aside, I have a question on that 1Cor 2:11 , Does the Spirit of God , which am assuming third person of Trinity know the day and hour of the end ?

same question I asked and the trinitarians were explaining something they don't even understand...their explanations are looking so fetish.

Hairyrapunzel:


Keep asking him this question. Don't relent. They all avoid this particular question. They even change topic. So keep asking. If he doesn't answer don't answer his questions again.

Maximus their oga avoided the question like plague. He knows there is no way he can wade out of having another God besides Jehovah.

Janosky:

We have given you the Expo your delusion can't cope with....
It's left to you to format your brain , circumcise your ears and open your unreceptive heart to the answer you typed:
" A god/God is a divine being... JESUS is a Theo's"

OR :
Run to your pastorpreneurs to feed your delusions at great costs.

Isa 44:6:
"Thus said the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God ."

Isa 44:8:
"Fear you not, neither be afraid: have not I told you from that time, and have declared it? you are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yes, there is no God; I know not any."

Isa 45:21:
"Tell you, and bring them near; yes, let them take counsel together: who has declared this from ancient time? who has told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me."

Hos 13:4:
"Yet I am the LORD your God from the land of Egypt, and you shall know no god but me: for there is no savior beside me."

Hosea summarised it, there is no SAVIOUR beside me.

I rest my case!

Maximus69:


Wahala dey Okpoko!

My guy, it's obvious Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only problem you have.
But don't kill yourself because we're here to stay, there nothing a sadist like you have to say about the Bible.

Shadeyinka have been silenced since he has failed woefully to define himself as to his stand on what FAITH accomplishes, he is neither an advocate of organization nor isolation!

Question ~ Can people come together to have one line of thought regarding what Bible teaches?

Shadeyinka ~ NO! There shouldn't be such, everyone should be independent for personal interpretation.

Question ~ Do Christians of the first century have one line of thought regarding Bible teachings?

Shadeyinka ~ S i l e n c e!

So Mr Hairyrapunzel stop this childish attitude, find something better to do with your life, Jehovah's Witnesses are living happily as one big happy global family of peace loving worshippers!

I didn't know you feared me this much. As soon as I asked just one simple question, maximus who had been training his people jumped in to bail them out by being evasive and calling it TATIME to help.

This evening alone, I had almost 25 mentions. Over what!?

I have made my point as I won't add a word to what I've spoke after tonight. 25 mentions in one night on just one person!!

Shepherd00:

I would you in a layman language explain what this verse is staying.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Assuming your name is Okoro Jacob. Is it different from Jacob Okoro?

Shepherd00:

I would you in a layman language explain what this verse is staying.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

The demons responsible for their delusion is very strong. They won't read the scriptures to understand

shadeyinka:

You DID not answer my very important question!

If Jehovah is the almighty God, what kind of god/God is Jesus?

Please don't ignore this again!

I looked the meaning of God and it says - The creator of the world, the one to be worshipped.
It also means "a mighty one".

Jesus is the son of Almighty God, Jehovah. He is the first creation by Jehovah. This makes him the second most important person in the universe. He is a mighty one both in heaven and on earth, in that sense he can be called God.

The Jews had a system in which they could ascribe a title to someone in an exclusive sense and still recognize someone else with that title in another sense different from the first, without being confused. I give you an example...the jews believed that Abraham was their father. The scripture s abound with phrases like "Abraham our father", but they called Jehovah their one true father. Did they think that Abraham was their one true father, Jehovah? No. Similarly, when Jesus is called "mighty God" in Isaiah 6:9, bible students know what that means. Since Jesus already called his Father Jehovah, "the only true God"(John 17:3), we know Jesus is a God in a slightly different sense as his Father Jehovah. it means Jesus is a mighty one and plays a significant role in God's purpose.

uboma:



The Bible here refers to Jesus Christ as the Mighty God....


Note that the Bible does not describe him as the Almighty God.


Do you now see the difference?

So why was YHVH referred to as the mighty God here?
Jeremiah 32:18
who shows loving kindness to thousands, but repays the iniquity of fathers into the bosom of their children after them, O great and mighty God The LORD of hosts is His name;

also was it Jesus that was mentioned here since "Mighty" was also used..
Nehemiah 9:32
"Now therefore, our God, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who keeps covenant and lovingkindness, Do not let all the hardship seem insignificant before You, Which has come upon us, our kings, our princes, our priests, our prophets, our fathers and on all Your people, From the days of the kings of Assyria to this day.


and here too..
Isaiah 49:26
"I will feed your oppressors with their own flesh, And they will become drunk with their own blood as with sweet wine; And all flesh will know that I, the LORD, am your Savior And your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob."

shadeyinka:


I didn't know you feared me this much. As soon as I asked just one simple question, maximus who had been training his people jumped in to bail them out by being evasive and calling it TATIME to help.

This evening alone, I had almost 25 mentions. Over what!?

I have made my point as I won't add a word to what I've spoke after tonight. 25 mentions in one night on just one person!!

First of all, you've shown the world how fearful you often become at the sight of Maximus!

Even after telling you that i newly got baptized this year, you went on to say "Maximus who has been training his people"

I'm not surprise because after silencing you on the other thread you intentionally opened to argue with me, you've learnt so much from a newly baptized JW!

How else do you want the answer to the issue of Might and Almighty God?

The Bible called JEHOVAH "Almighty"! Exodus 6:2,3

And Jesus was called "Mighty"! Isaiah 9:6

Other Gods were also referred to as "Mighty"[b/] Psalms 82:1

While JEHOVAH is the [b]"Most high" Psalms 83:18

My friend, your question is what my grandson will answer with his NWT even though you crosscheck in any other translation you can't refute it!

The issue at hand now is

You said (regarding your question) Maximus stood for the position of his globally recognized organization of peace loving preachers and teachers of God's word known as Jehovah's Witnesses. And to that i say "aye"!

Now it's your turn to answer a thought provoking question regarding FAITH in God's word (Bible)

What is your answer to your own question and can you also mention the name of the religious group that taught you what you believe now?"

After all Jesus sent people out to teach people and that's why you (black man in Nigeria, Africa) is reading the book written by Jews (White man in Asia minor)

So who taught you what's in the Bible Sir?

And don't forget to mention the name of the religious group having the same line of thought as you have now because Jesus (Christ) and the first set of Christians emphasized the need for ONENESS in line of thought! John 17:14-16,20-23 ,Roman 15:5-6, 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3

chrmn1:

"apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being."
Could God create the world without the Word and the Spirit? Food for thought...

The man Jesus would be wrong to not worship God. The man Jesus mediates between God and man so he is just as human.

All past, present and future events are all past in God's perspective but this does not rule out the fact that there was a certain time that Jesus took up the form of a servant and Isaiah 42 speaks to that time. The contents of that scripture was clearly during his time on the earth not in his glorified state whilst with God.

All things were created....for him.
"And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was"
(John 17:5)

English language is not hard, is it ? When he said my servant , whom I have chosen . Is that futuristic ? When was Jesus CHOSEN for redemption , on Earth ?

Maximus69:


Wahala dey Okpoko!

My guy, it's obvious Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only problem you have.
But don't kill yourself because we're here to stay, there nothing a sadist like you have to say about the Bible.

Shadeyinka have been silenced since he has failed woefully to define himself as to his stand on what FAITH accomplishes, he is neither an advocate of organization nor isolation!

Question ~ Can people come together to have one line of thought regarding what Bible teaches?

Shadeyinka ~ NO! There shouldn't be such, everyone should be independent for personal interpretation.

Question ~ Do Christians of the first century have one line of thought regarding Bible teachings?

Shadeyinka ~ S i l e n c e!

So Mr Hairyrapunzel stop this childish attitude, find something better to do with your life, Jehovah's Witnesses are living happily as one big happy global family of peace loving worshippers!

@Shadeyinka!

Can you please say something about the two questions in bolded Sir?

shadeyinka:


Lame argument of people with two gods.
Is any human called "a mighty god?"

That the English Bible translated El Gibboa differently when it applies to humans doesn't change the fact that Humanss were called EL GIBBOA , Which was rendered Mighty God for Jesus . Was El Gibboa applied to humans in the Bible ? Go and do your assignment , Ignorant fellow

Isa 44:6:
"Thus said the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God ."

Isa 44:8:
"Fear you not, neither be afraid: have not I told you from that time, and have declared it? you are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yes, there is no God; I know not any."

Isa 45:21:
"Tell you, and bring them near; yes, let them take counsel together: who has decla[b][/b]red this from ancient time? who has told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me."

Hos 13:4:
"Yet I am the LORD your God from the land of Egypt, and you shall know no god but me: for there is no savior beside me."

Hosea summarised it, there is no SAVIOUR beside me.

I rest my case!

But he refffered to Othniel as a SAVIOR of the Isrealites ?

Your problem is you fail to realize he can make others saviour or make them God's as he did humans " Ye are God's " . But all are still under his control therefore none beside him .

shadeyinka:

If you are afraid of plainly stating your position, you have no business here. Keep quiet and move on.

You are only being evasive because the implication of your plainly coming out is catastrophic to your organisation.

So, if you aren't bold enough to state your position. Keep quiet and run off.

Mr Shadeyinka,

No be fight nah!

You carry yourself enter inside thread wey wahala question jeje sidon, you no fit answer direct you begin throw impromptu questions up and down. OK answer simple question you wan tek vex hide your face!

Abeg no vex Sir, my own question still tanda for your front.

(A)Shey na true sey first century Christians dem believe exactly the same thing like Jehovah witness today?

(B)Abi each one just carry hin own understanding about Jesus anywhere belle face?

If nah "A" be your answer, abeg show us inside Bible, if na "B" please tell us the group wet get the same mindset as you get now so that we fit ask them better questions as you sef dey ask Jehovah witness wey get one mind for wetin Bible tok!

Abeg no tek vex comot for this one Sir!

shadeyinka:

You is your body
You is your soul and
You is your spirit

Ignorance is no excuse!

Or container that houses the " You " ?

shadeyinka:

In other words you have two gods
1. Jehovah (big God)
2. Jesus (smaller God:subject to the big God)

How does not violate this scripture that even your organisation maximus refused to plainly state his belief!

Isa 44:6:
"Thus said the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God ."

Isa 44:8:
"Fear you not, neither be afraid: have not I told you from that time, and have declared it? you are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yes, there is no God; I know not any."

Isa 45:21:
"Tell you, and bring them near; yes, let them take counsel together: who has declared this from ancient time? who has told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me."

Hos 13:4:
"Yet I am the LORD your God from the land of Egypt, and you shall know no god but me: for there is no savior beside me."

Hosea summarised it, there is no SAVIOUR beside me.

I rest my case!

To help your ignorance , He alone can make others God's and Saviours to suit his purpose .

They are all subjected to him .

shadeyinka:

You are just repeating yourself contrary to what is plainly written.

Repeating this a thousand times changes nothing!

What exactly was written, Humans showed hospitality to Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ? Or to his angels ?

shadeyinka:

Ignorance!
1. In your hands I commit my spirit

Eccl 12:7 Spirit return to God who gave it, DID JESUS RETURN TO HEAVEN that day ?

If not, What exactly is the Spirit that returned to God when Jesus died ?

You see you have no clue what you are into .

2. Today you shall be with me in paradise

Same, Spirit return to God.
Did he went to paradise/heaven that day ?

3. Do not touch me for I have not yet ascended to my Father

So what returned if Spirit Is NOT JESUS ?

4. 1Pet 3:19: "By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison;"

After his ressurection.

So you can see that your question is meaningless unless you can fault all the four statements above.

The four shows that Jesus was conscious at death.

Not at all, It only makes us question what exactly returned since Jesus said he himself hasn't yet ascended to the Father . So what is that Spirit that returned to God ?

shadeyinka:


Oh, we now have two Yahwehs, one the Almighty and the other an Angel!!?
Continue!

Find a way to lie round it again!

Remain in your ignorance, So angels can't act as representative of Yahweh ?

*

Shepherd00:

I would you in a layman language explain what this verse is staying.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

shadeyinka:

The demons responsible for their delusion is very strong. They won't read the scriptures to understand

God manifest in the flesh"(KJV)=FRAUD.
You rely on the confirmed FRAUD of the KJV "Textus Receptus" to support your Trinity FRAUD.
FRAUD+FRAUD=FRAUD.
I'm not amazed, triune deity pagans pretending to be Christians.

MORE EVIDENCE
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1 Timothy 3:16 Parallel Verses
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1 Timothy 3:16, NIV : "Beyond all question,
the mystery from which true godliness
springs is great: He appeared in the flesh,
was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by
angels, was preached among the nations, was
believed on in the world, was taken up in
glory."
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1 Timothy 3:16, ESV : "Great indeed, we
confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was
manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the
Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the
nations, believed on in the world, taken up in
glory."
+++++
1 Timothy 3:16, KJV: "And without
controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the
Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the
Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up
into glory."
*****
1 Timothy 3:16, NASB: "By common
confession, great is the mystery of godliness:
He who was revealed in the flesh, Was
vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels,
Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in
the world, Taken up in glory."
####*
1 Timothy 3:16, NLT : "Without question, this
is the great mystery of our faith: Christ was
revealed in a human body and vindicated by
the Spirit. He was seen by angels and
announced to the nations. He was believed in
throughout the world and taken to heaven in
glory."
$$$****
1 Timothy 3:16, CSB : "And most certainly, the
mystery of godliness is great: He was
manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the
Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the
nations, believed on in the world, taken up in
glory."

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https://biblehub.com/1_timothy/3-16.htm

"--Here, in the
most ancient authorities, the word "God"
does not occur. We must, then, literally
translate the Greek of the most famous and
trustworthy MSS. as follows: He who was
manifested in the flesh. "
"God manifest in the flesh"(KJV)=FRAUD.

shadeyinka:

And so the lifeless Christ was able to preach to the disobedient spirits!

He was put to death in the flesh [as human being] but made ALIVE [ Resurrected] in the spirit [Spirit being] , and in this state [ been made alive/Resurrected ] he went and preached to the spirits [ angelic spirit beings ] in prison " 1Pet 3:18,19

After he was " Made Alive" Resurrected as a Spirit being . That scripture is clear enough

shadeyinka:


Oh, we now have two Yahwehs, one the Almighty and the other an Angel!!?
Continue!

Find a way to lie round it again!

Barristter07:


Remain in your ignorance, So angels can't act as representative of Yahweh ?

*** Judges 6:11-23
11 And an angel of Jehovah came and sat
under the terebinth that was in Ophrah, that
[belonged] to Joash the Abi-ezrite. And his
son Gideon threshed wheat in the winepress,
to secure [it] from the Midianites.
12 And the Angel of Jehovah appeared to
him, and said to him, Jehovah is with thee,
thou mighty man of valour.
13 And Gideon said to him, Ah my Lord, if
Jehovah be with us, why then is all this
befallen us? and where are all his miracles
that our fathers told us of, saying, Did not
Jehovah bring us up from Egypt? And now
Jehovah hath cast us off, and given us into
the hand of Midian.
14 And Jehovah looked upon him, and said,
Go in this thy might, and thou shalt save
Israel from the hand of Midian. Have not I
sent thee?
15 And he said to him, Ah Lord, wherewith
shall I save Israel? behold, my thousand is
the poorest in Manasseh, and I am the least
in my father's house.
16 And Jehovah said to him, I will certainly
be with thee; and thou shalt smite Midian as
one man.
17 And he said to him, If now I have found
favour in thine eyes, shew me a sign that it
is thou who talkest with me.
18 Depart not hence, I pray thee, until I
come unto thee, and bring forth my present,
and set it before thee. And he said, I will
tarry until thou come again.
19 And Gideon went in, and made ready a
kid of the goats, and an ephah of flour in
unleavened cakes: the flesh he put in a
basket, and he put the broth in a pot, and
brought it out to him under the terebinth,
and presented it.
20 And the Angel of God said to him, Take
the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay
them upon this rock, and pour out the broth.
And he did so.
21 And the Angel of Jehovah put forth the
end of the staff that was in his hand, and
touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes;
and there rose up fire out of the rock, and
consumed the flesh and the unleavened
cakes. And the Angel of Jehovah departed
out of his sight.
22 And Gideon perceived that he was an
angel of Jehovah; and Gideon said, Alas,
Lord Jehovah! for because I have seen an
angel of Jehovah face to face …
23 And Jehovah said to him, Peace be unto
thee: fear not; thou shalt not die."

** Compare Judges 13:2-22.

Barristter07:

He was put to death in the flesh [as human being] but made ALIVE [ Resurrected] in the spirit [Spirit being] , and in this state [ been made alive/Resurrected ] he went and preached to the spirits [ angelic spirit beings ] in prison " 1Pet 3:18,19

After he was " Made Alive" Resurrected as a Spirit being . That scripture is clear enough

1 Peter3 :19,20…
19 in which He also went and preached to
the spirits in prison 20 who disobeyed long
ago when God waited patiently in the days
of Noah, while the ark was being built. In the
ark a few people, only eight souls, were
saved through water. "
, "Spirits in prison" Disobedient angels who left their heavenly assignments & married the daughters of men before Noah's flood.

Gen3:19, did Yahweh say Adam would transform into the spirit realm after death?

Janosky:


*** Judges 6:11-23
11 And an angel of Jehovah came and sat
under the terebinth that was in Ophrah, that
[belonged] to Joash the Abi-ezrite. And his
son Gideon threshed wheat in the winepress,
to secure [it] from the Midianites.
12 And the Angel of Jehovah appeared to
him, and said to him, Jehovah is with thee,
thou mighty man of valour.
13 And Gideon said to him, Ah my Lord, if
Jehovah be with us, why then is all this
befallen us? and where are all his miracles
that our fathers told us of, saying, Did not
Jehovah bring us up from Egypt? And now
Jehovah hath cast us off, and given us into
the hand of Midian.
14 And Jehovah looked upon him, and said,
Go in this thy might, and thou shalt save
Israel from the hand of Midian. Have not I
sent thee?
15 And he said to him, Ah Lord, wherewith
shall I save Israel? behold, my thousand is
the poorest in Manasseh, and I am the least
in my father's house.
16 And Jehovah said to him, I will certainly
be with thee; and thou shalt smite Midian as
one man.
17 And he said to him, If now I have found
favour in thine eyes, shew me a sign that it
is thou who talkest with me.
18 Depart not hence, I pray thee, until I
come unto thee, and bring forth my present,
and set it before thee. And he said, I will
tarry until thou come again.
19 And Gideon went in, and made ready a
kid of the goats, and an ephah of flour in
unleavened cakes: the flesh he put in a
basket, and he put the broth in a pot, and
brought it out to him under the terebinth,
and presented it.
20 And the Angel of God said to him, Take
the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay
them upon this rock, and pour out the broth.
And he did so.
21 And the Angel of Jehovah put forth the
end of the staff that was in his hand, and
touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes;
and there rose up fire out of the rock, and
consumed the flesh and the unleavened
cakes. And the Angel of Jehovah departed
out of his sight.
22 And Gideon perceived that he was an
angel of Jehovah; and Gideon said, Alas,
Lord Jehovah! for because I have seen an
angel of Jehovah face to face …
23 And Jehovah said to him, Peace be unto
thee: fear not; thou shalt not die."

** Compare Judges 13:2-22.

Brilliant ! The angel was referred to as Jehovah @ bold

cc: shadeyinka .

chrmn1:

Please be specific. Which text? Was the verse too audacious that someone had to add a line? "He has a name written" doesn't automatically spell out that the name was given to him by another. What parts of God's thoughts does the spirit lack access to?

Philippians 2:9 clear. Also note this Jesus can't do anything of his own will.

So that text is clear enough when it says " Written " . With exemption of he who writes or gave the name

Was there any exception at Matthew 24:36 ? None!!! Any other person knowing makes Jesus a liar, Did he lied only the Father knows ?

Maximus69:



Mr Shadeyinka,

No be fight nah!

(A)Shey na true sey first century Christians dem believe exactly the same thing like Jehovah witness today?

(B)Abi each one just carry hin own understanding about Jesus anywhere belle face?


Abeg no tek vex comot for this one Sir!

After answering him from the Bible, he crookedly attached my position on the issue to a religious organization.

So the question he must answer ~

(1) Were first century Christians peculiar to uniform in thought?

If Shadeyinka answer "NO" he should back his answer with Bible, if "YES" then he tell everyone in the forum the name of his religious organization exhibiting the same line of thought as he does!

Janosky:


*** Judges 6:11-23
11 And an angel of Jehovah came and sat
under the terebinth that was in Ophrah, that
[belonged] to Joash the Abi-ezrite. And his
son Gideon threshed wheat in the winepress,
to secure [it] from the Midianites.
12 And the Angel of Jehovah appeared to
him, and said to him, Jehovah is with thee,
thou mighty man of valour.
13 And Gideon said to him, Ah my Lord, if
Jehovah be with us, why then is all this
befallen us? and where are all his miracles
that our fathers told us of, saying, Did not
Jehovah bring us up from Egypt? And now
Jehovah hath cast us off, and given us into
the hand of Midian.
14 And Jehovah looked upon him, and said,
Go in this thy might, and thou shalt save
Israel from the hand of Midian. Have not I
sent thee?
15 And he said to him, Ah Lord, wherewith
shall I save Israel? behold, my thousand is
the poorest in Manasseh, and I am the least
in my father's house.
16 And Jehovah said to him, I will certainly
be with thee; and thou shalt smite Midian as
one man.
17 And he said to him, If now I have found
favour in thine eyes, shew me a sign that it
is thou who talkest with me.
18 Depart not hence, I pray thee, until I
come unto thee, and bring forth my present,
and set it before thee. And he said, I will
tarry until thou come again.
19 And Gideon went in, and made ready a
kid of the goats, and an ephah of flour in
unleavened cakes: the flesh he put in a
basket, and he put the broth in a pot, and
brought it out to him under the terebinth,
and presented it.
20 And the Angel of God said to him, Take
the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay
them upon this rock, and pour out the broth.
And he did so.
21 And the Angel of Jehovah put forth the
end of the staff that was in his hand, and
touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes;
and there rose up fire out of the rock, and
consumed the flesh and the unleavened
cakes. And the Angel of Jehovah departed
out of his sight.
22 And Gideon perceived that he was an
angel of Jehovah; and Gideon said, Alas,
Lord Jehovah! for because I have seen an
angel of Jehovah face to face …
23 And Jehovah said to him, Peace be unto
thee: fear not; thou shalt not die."

** Compare Judges 13:2-22.

Michael (Jesus) has often represented JEHOVAH in many cases, that's why Apostle John could say "in the beginning WAS the word (Jesus/Michael) and the word WAS with God and the word WAS God"

All the times the Bible say JEHOVAH appeared to anyone in the Hebrew Scriptures, it was Jehovah's representative Michael (Jesus) that has been acting in place of JEHOVAH!

The first time JEHOVAH dealt DIRECTLY with humans again was after Jesus (Michael) has completed the reconciliation assignment in heaven that JEHOVAH directly adopted humans and anointed them as his children just as he did at Jesus' baptism! Luke 3:22 compared to Isaiah 42:1

Before Pentecost, God wasn't dealing directly with any of Adam's descendants, it was his foremost Prince Michael that was ACTING stand up for obedient humans! Daniel 12:1

But Michael (Jesus) has no right to punish any of God's spirit sons unless the order comes from JEHOVAH the father of all creations! Jude 9 compared to Matthew 8:29

So JEHOVAH the Almighty God will first give the order before Jesus (Jehovah's Mighty spirit son) can do anything with Jehovah's children be it rebellious angels or humans {Psalms 110:1-3} the order must come from the Almighty God JEHOVAH!

Maximus69:


First of all, you've shown the world how fearful you often become at the sight of Maximus!

Even after telling you that i newly got baptized this year, you went on to say "Maximus who has been training his people"

I'm not surprise because after silencing you on the other thread you intentionally opened to argue with me, you've learnt so much from a newly baptized JW!

How else do you want the answer to the issue of Might and Almighty God?

The Bible called JEHOVAH "Almighty"! Exodus 6:2,3

And Jesus was called "Mighty"! Isaiah 9:6

Other Gods were also referred to as "Mighty"[b/] Psalms 82:1

While JEHOVAH is the [b]"Most high" Psalms 83:18

My friend, your question is what my grandson will answer with his NWT even though you crosscheck in any other translation you can't refute it!

The issue at hand now is

You said (regarding your question) Maximus stood for the position of his globally recognized organization of peace loving preachers and teachers of God's word known as Jehovah's Witnesses. And to that i say "aye"!

Now it's your turn to answer a thought provoking question regarding FAITH in God's word (Bible)

What is your answer to your own question and can you also mention the name of the religious group that taught you what you believe now?"

After all Jesus sent people out to teach people and that's why you (black man in Nigeria, Africa) is reading the book written by Jews (White man in Asia minor)

So who taught you what's in the Bible Sir?

And don't forget to mention the name of the religious group having the same line of thought as you have now because Jesus (Christ) and the first set of Christians emphasized the need for ONENESS in line of thought! John 17:14-16,20-23 ,Roman 15:5-6, 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3

16 quotes just this morning alone!?

Just so that you know I read your post.
I have established what I want. You have two Gods,
1. The almighty God
2. The mighty God
Contrary to the Word of the Almighty Jehovah's. "Besides me, there is No Other Gods"!
QED.
I need not say anything more.

I rest my case.