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Ariza:

Michellekabod2:
I can't remember endorsing the actions of those that mock the feminists that chose to uphold their traditional roles, i cant remember telling ladies not to cook,be non virgins,or be feminine etc if I did imply that in any way in the past then I withdraw my statements.

As regards to the woman refusing to cook when he provides everything,as a man I will personally revolt or divorce her. But that is my own "opinion" and what I will have done if am in his shoes...that's not a standard to be employed by all men .
I personally see it as injustice but that is him to decide and I advice people marry those who meet their standards and choices. If you love a home maker as a wife,look for one. If you love a career woman as a wife,look for one,if you love a woman who you fend for and she does nothing for you or doesn't cook,then look for one. As a lady if you are homely,marry a man who celebrates homeliness. If you are liberal,marry who celebrates liberty, if you are evil,marry someone who celebrates evil

Michellekabod2:
I can't remember endorsing the actions of those that mock the feminists that chose to uphold their traditional roles, i cant remember telling ladies not to cook,be non virgins,or be feminine etc if I did imply that in any way in the past then I withdraw my statements.

As regards to the woman refusing to cook when he provides everything,as a man I will personally revolt or divorce her. But that is my own "opinion" and what I will have done if am in his shoes...that's not a standard to be employed by all men .
I personally see it as injustice but that is him to decide and I advice people marry those who meet their standards and choices. If you love a home maker as a wife,look for one. If you love a career woman as a wife,look for one,if you love a woman who you fend for and she does nothing for you or doesn't cook,then look for one. As a lady if you are homely,marry a man who celebrates homeliness. If you are liberal,marry who celebrates liberty, if you are evil,marry someone who celebrates evil

budaatum:
https://www.nairaland.com/5520009/nigeria-second-largest-child-brides#83888327

Michellekabod2:
At some point I have been guilty of some points listed below but we all learn everyday.

The first and second wave of feminism focused on political, economic rights but the third wave places emphasis on societal rights. This is where the problem lies. Its easier to pass bills and adjust constitution in order to promote equality but can you influence someone consciousness, beliefs,norms?
Now people are different, different preferences,different perspectives,religion,environment, ethnicity et al influences our subconscious. Very few people are able to reason for themselves, very few people are able to dump the shackles of stereotypes,we can't force them to (except they engage in acts that are not within the confines of the law).
Some feminist now deviate from attaining gender equality to trying to change peoples individual beliefs or norms. If a lady beliefs she should act in a way or not,you don't have to start encouraging her to do otherwise as a way of making her equal to the man. Some ladies love domestic chores, it's their way of showing their love for a man, you don't have to start bugging her to stop it and telling her she is been exploited.
I have seen feminists telling virgins "you are keeping yourself for a man,is he keeping himself for you?" Encouraging ladies to dump their personal values in other to be equal to him. You can be equal to him by being yourself.
Feminism is not a competition but to earn equality, you must not copy men to be equal with men.

I personally drink,and club,I have "good girls" as friends, I don't have to be telling them to be like me . I don't have to tell them to dump the path they have chosen.
Feminism has ruined some marriages by telling wives what to do. The either of cheating in marriage is not frowned upon because its a betrayal of trust but it is frowned upon nowadays because "if its a woman cheating will he tolerate it?" I will walk away from a cheating spouse because he betrayed my trust, not because someone gingered me saying ", he is doing it because he is a man bla bla bla" . some feminists even advice ladies to cheat as revenge,to show they have rights to cheat as well.
If a lady tells me her spouse is cheating I just ask her a question,"do you want to divorce him or make him change?"
I don't have to call her a weakling for staying. Some people value their marriage and will do everything to keep it(well not me).
I can only advice a lady to leave if domestic violence is involved which obviously poses a threat to her life or if he has STDs and can affect her. Aside these cases I can't tell her what to do. Some feminists do things not because its their choice but a way of showing men they can also do what they do.

Another problem with some feminist is the quest to change men views of them. So people can't unlearn their stereotypes, imagine being fed with the stereotype that women are supposed to be this or that,instead of being yourself you try to make men appreciate you for being you. Not everyone will accept you,not every man appreciate your choices,stay away from them and keep doing your own thing instead of engaging in futile arguments with them or how to see you. Feminism is a fight for equality and not a fight for acceptance/appreciation of equality by men . some men believe all ladies should be virgins till their marriage, its futile trying to fighting to stop them from viewing you as a hoe if you think otherwise,rather have sex if you wish and ignore them,except off course they bully or oppress you for your choice.

Instead of doing the things they want, they complain men are viewing them as "bad" and judging them. Keep doing what you wish,and leave any man to his own thinking as long he doesn't oppress or silence you. If you love to drink for example, do drink ,if I man says a lady should not drink,still drink and there is no need engaging in campaigns or e wars crying foul, except off course he oppresses you for your choice.

Lastly,I see more "talkers" than "doers". I see much blaming,complaining than taking steps. Most pages of feminists I see are always talking of men! Men! Men! Men! The attention they give men is feeding their ego,most discussions of feminism is centered on men,what is the obsession with " men-talk"?
Is better to light a candle than curse the darkness. it all ends in nagging online,nothing is done offline. They are places where female genital mutilation is been practised, its more noble to push for laws that will prohibit it,than the online noise some feminists make which yield nothing.
If you want to participate in politics go and pursue it,it is when you are opposed you should start complaining,first make the move.

*modified
Based on the comments of this thread I wanna clarify something, I am not saying ladies should retain or not retain their personal values all I am saying is that don't pressure them to dump their feminity,its their choice,if they want to dump it,fine! If they don't want to,fine! The main objective is not to alter their nature,but promote equality... Their choice to retain their nature is their decision to make....

Cc: antibrutus,liberalchick,poccohantas,magnoliaa,martinez39,redcreme21,budaatum,fuministicqueen,JOHNNYDISPUTE, martinez39

Michellekabod2:
Leave them,let them be jubilating! They think I am with them....


I always knew we had so much views in common that only a matter of time before we realise...we all learn everyday

Michellekabod2:
I don't really get your point ,no offence I see this as derailment (correct me if am wrong on this).

Michellekabod2:
Its easier to pass bills and adjust constitution in order to promote equality but can you influence someone consciousness, beliefs,norms?

Leoniine:
what do you find funny...?

Ariza:
The debate between two societal nuisance (feminist and red pullers/mgtow ) amuse me a lot. Any topic about those two cracks my ribs.

Michellekabod2:
At some point I have been guilty of some points listed below but we all learn everyday.

The first and second wave of feminism focused on political, economic rights but the third wave places emphasis on societal rights. This is where the problem lies. Its easier to pass bills and adjust constitution in order to promote equality but can you influence someone consciousness, beliefs,norms?
Now people are different, different preferences,different perspectives,religion,environment, ethnicity et al influences our subconscious. Very few people are able to reason for themselves, very few people are able to dump the shackles of stereotypes,we can't force them to (except they engage in acts that are not within the confines of the law).
Some feminist now deviate from attaining gender equality to trying to change peoples individual beliefs or norms. If a lady beliefs she should act in a way or not,you don't have to start encouraging her to do otherwise as a way of making her equal to the man. Some ladies love domestic chores, it's their way of showing their love for a man, you don't have to start bugging her to stop it and telling her she is been exploited.
I have seen feminists telling virgins "you are keeping yourself for a man,is he keeping himself for you?" Encouraging ladies to dump their personal values in other to be equal to him. You can be equal to him by being yourself.
Feminism is not a competition but to earn equality, you must not copy men to be equal with men.

I personally drink,and club,I have "good girls" as friends, I don't have to be telling them to be like me . I don't have to tell them to dump the path they have chosen.
Feminism has ruined some marriages by telling wives what to do. The either of cheating in marriage is not frowned upon because its a betrayal of trust but it is frowned upon nowadays because "if its a woman cheating will he tolerate it?" I will walk away from a cheating spouse because he betrayed my trust, not because someone gingered me saying ", he is doing it because he is a man bla bla bla" . some feminists even advice ladies to cheat as revenge,to show they have rights to cheat as well.
If a lady tells me her spouse is cheating I just ask her a question,"do you want to divorce him or make him change?"
I don't have to call her a weakling for staying. Some people value their marriage and will do everything to keep it(well not me).
I can only advice a lady to leave if domestic violence is involved which obviously poses a threat to her life or if he has STDs and can affect her. Aside these cases I can't tell her what to do. Some feminists do things not because its their choice but a way of showing men they can also do what they do.

Another problem with some feminist is the quest to change men views of them. So people can't unlearn their stereotypes, imagine being fed with the stereotype that women are supposed to be this or that,instead of being yourself you try to make men appreciate you for being you. Not everyone will accept you,not every man appreciate your choices,stay away from them and keep doing your own thing instead of engaging in futile arguments with them or how to see you. Feminism is a fight for equality and not a fight for acceptance/appreciation of equality by men . some men believe all ladies should be virgins till their marriage, its futile trying to fighting to stop them from viewing you as a hoe if you think otherwise,rather have sex if you wish and ignore them,except off course they bully or oppress you for your choice.

Instead of doing the things they want, they complain men are viewing them as "bad" and judging them. Keep doing what you wish,and leave any man to his own thinking as long he doesn't oppress or silence you. If you love to drink for example, do drink ,if I man says a lady should not drink,still drink and there is no need engaging in campaigns or e wars crying foul, except off course he oppresses you for your choice.

Lastly,I see more "talkers" than "doers". I see much blaming,complaining than taking steps. Most pages of feminists I see are always talking of men! Men! Men! Men! The attention they give men is feeding their ego,most discussions of feminism is centered on men,what is the obsession with " men-talk"?
Is better to light a candle than curse the darkness. it all ends in nagging online,nothing is done offline. They are places where female genital mutilation is been practised, its more noble to push for laws that will prohibit it,than the online noise some feminists make which yield nothing.
If you want to participate in politics go and pursue it,it is when you are opposed you should start complaining,first make the move.

*modified
Based on the comments of this thread I wanna clarify something, I am not saying ladies should retain or not retain their personal values all I am saying is that don't pressure them to dump their feminity,its their choice,if they want to dump it,fine! If they don't want to,fine! The main objective is not to alter their nature,but promote equality... Their choice to retain their nature is their decision to make....

Cc: antibrutus,liberalchick,poccohantas,magnoliaa,martinez39,redcreme21,budaatum,fuministicqueen,JOHNNYDISPUTE, martinez39

chigoizie7:
Nice points.


However , in a political space.

Do you think a woman should be voted into power
Because she is a woman or that she should be voted based on what she can offer and her popularity for people to vote her?

For example, there is no law in Nigeria that says that a woman should no be appointed to any political office.

But in a case where a governor has to appoint his commissioners.lets say he needs to appoint just 10 in total out of 10 men and 10 women.But appoints majority of men than women even though all of them are qualified. Will you fault the governor for making such choice?


In a constituency when 5 people are contesting, let’s say 2 women and 3 men. Is it right to make people vote for the women simply because they are women and not because they are capable?

Michellekabod2:
no! Vote who is competent. Male/female/animal(if its possible).. There are criteria for it

Michellekabod2:
At some point I have been guilty of some points listed below but we all learn everyday.

The first and second wave of feminism focused on political, economic rights but the third wave places emphasis on societal rights. This is where the problem lies. Its easier to pass bills and adjust constitution in order to promote equality but can you influence someone consciousness, beliefs,norms?
Now people are different, different preferences,different perspectives,religion,environment, ethnicity et al influences our subconscious. Very few people are able to reason for themselves, very few people are able to dump the shackles of stereotypes,we can't force them to (except they engage in acts that are not within the confines of the law).
Some feminist now deviate from attaining gender equality to trying to change peoples individual beliefs or norms. If a lady beliefs she should act in a way or not,you don't have to start encouraging her to do otherwise as a way of making her equal to the man. Some ladies love domestic chores, it's their way of showing their love for a man, you don't have to start bugging her to stop it and telling her she is been exploited.
I have seen feminists telling virgins "you are keeping yourself for a man,is he keeping himself for you?" Encouraging ladies to dump their personal values in other to be equal to him. You can be equal to him by being yourself.
Feminism is not a competition but to earn equality, you must not copy men to be equal with men.

I personally drink,and club,I have "good girls" as friends, I don't have to be telling them to be like me . I don't have to tell them to dump the path they have chosen.
Feminism has ruined some marriages by telling wives what to do. The either of cheating in marriage is not frowned upon because its a betrayal of trust but it is frowned upon nowadays because "if its a woman cheating will he tolerate it?" I will walk away from a cheating spouse because he betrayed my trust, not because someone gingered me saying ", he is doing it because he is a man bla bla bla" . some feminists even advice ladies to cheat as revenge,to show they have rights to cheat as well.
If a lady tells me her spouse is cheating I just ask her a question,"do you want to divorce him or make him change?"
I don't have to call her a weakling for staying. Some people value their marriage and will do everything to keep it(well not me).
I can only advice a lady to leave if domestic violence is involved which obviously poses a threat to her life or if he has STDs and can affect her. Aside these cases I can't tell her what to do. Some feminists do things not because its their choice but a way of showing men they can also do what they do.

Another problem with some feminist is the quest to change men views of them. So people can't unlearn their stereotypes, imagine being fed with the stereotype that women are supposed to be this or that,instead of being yourself you try to make men appreciate you for being you. Not everyone will accept you,not every man appreciate your choices,stay away from them and keep doing your own thing instead of engaging in futile arguments with them or how to see you. Feminism is a fight for equality and not a fight for acceptance/appreciation of equality by men . some men believe all ladies should be virgins till their marriage, its futile trying to fighting to stop them from viewing you as a hoe if you think otherwise,rather have sex if you wish and ignore them,except off course they bully or oppress you for your choice.

Instead of doing the things they want, they complain men are viewing them as "bad" and judging them. Keep doing what you wish,and leave any man to his own thinking as long he doesn't oppress or silence you. If you love to drink for example, do drink ,if I man says a lady should not drink,still drink and there is no need engaging in campaigns or e wars crying foul, except off course he oppresses you for your choice.

Lastly,I see more "talkers" than "doers". I see much blaming,complaining than taking steps. Most pages of feminists I see are always talking of men! Men! Men! Men! The attention they give men is feeding their ego,most discussions of feminism is centered on men,what is the obsession with " men-talk"?
Is better to light a candle than curse the darkness. it all ends in nagging online,nothing is done offline. They are places where female genital mutilation is been practised, its more noble to push for laws that will prohibit it,than the online noise some feminists make which yield nothing.
If you want to participate in politics go and pursue it,it is when you are opposed you should start complaining,first make the move.

*modified
Based on the comments of this thread I wanna clarify something, I am not saying ladies should retain or not retain their personal values all I am saying is that don't pressure them to dump their feminity,its their choice,if they want to dump it,fine! If they don't want to,fine! The main objective is not to alter their nature,but promote equality... Their choice to retain their nature is their decision to make....

Cc: antibrutus,liberalchick,poccohantas,magnoliaa,martinez39,redcreme21,budaatum,fuministicqueen,JOHNNYDISPUTE, martinez39

Michellekabod2:
At some point I have been guilty of some points listed below but we all learn everyday.

The first and second wave of feminism focused on political, economic rights but the third wave places emphasis on societal rights. This is where the problem lies. Its easier to pass bills and adjust constitution in order to promote equality but can you influence someone consciousness, beliefs,norms?
Now people are different, different preferences,different perspectives,religion,environment, ethnicity et al influences our subconscious. Very few people are able to reason for themselves, very few people are able to dump the shackles of stereotypes,we can't force them to (except they engage in acts that are not within the confines of the law).
Some feminist now deviate from attaining gender equality to trying to change peoples individual beliefs or norms. If a lady beliefs she should act in a way or not,you don't have to start encouraging her to do otherwise as a way of making her equal to the man. Some ladies love domestic chores, it's their way of showing their love for a man, you don't have to start bugging her to stop it and telling her she is been exploited.
I have seen feminists telling virgins "you are keeping yourself for a man,is he keeping himself for you?" Encouraging ladies to dump their personal values in other to be equal to him. You can be equal to him by being yourself.
Feminism is not a competition but to earn equality, you must not copy men to be equal with men.

I personally drink,and club,I have "good girls" as friends, I don't have to be telling them to be like me . I don't have to tell them to dump the path they have chosen.
Feminism has ruined some marriages by telling wives what to do. The either of cheating in marriage is not frowned upon because its a betrayal of trust but it is frowned upon nowadays because "if its a woman cheating will he tolerate it?" I will walk away from a cheating spouse because he betrayed my trust, not because someone gingered me saying ", he is doing it because he is a man bla bla bla" . some feminists even advice ladies to cheat as revenge,to show they have rights to cheat as well.
If a lady tells me her spouse is cheating I just ask her a question,"do you want to divorce him or make him change?"
I don't have to call her a weakling for staying. Some people value their marriage and will do everything to keep it(well not me).
I can only advice a lady to leave if domestic violence is involved which obviously poses a threat to her life or if he has STDs and can affect her. Aside these cases I can't tell her what to do. Some feminists do things not because its their choice but a way of showing men they can also do what they do.

Another problem with some feminist is the quest to change men views of them. So people can't unlearn their stereotypes, imagine being fed with the stereotype that women are supposed to be this or that,instead of being yourself you try to make men appreciate you for being you. Not everyone will accept you,not every man appreciate your choices,stay away from them and keep doing your own thing instead of engaging in futile arguments with them or how to see you. Feminism is a fight for equality and not a fight for acceptance/appreciation of equality by men . some men believe all ladies should be virgins till their marriage, its futile trying to fighting to stop them from viewing you as a hoe if you think otherwise,rather have sex if you wish and ignore them,except off course they bully or oppress you for your choice.

Instead of doing the things they want, they complain men are viewing them as "bad" and judging them. Keep doing what you wish,and leave any man to his own thinking as long he doesn't oppress or silence you. If you love to drink for example, do drink ,if I man says a lady should not drink,still drink and there is no need engaging in campaigns or e wars crying foul, except off course he oppresses you for your choice.

Lastly,I see more "talkers" than "doers". I see much blaming,complaining than taking steps. Most pages of feminists I see are always talking of men! Men! Men! Men! The attention they give men is feeding their ego,most discussions of feminism is centered on men,what is the obsession with " men-talk"?
Is better to light a candle than curse the darkness. it all ends in nagging online,nothing is done offline. They are places where female genital mutilation is been practised, its more noble to push for laws that will prohibit it,than the online noise some feminists make which yield nothing.
If you want to participate in politics go and pursue it,it is when you are opposed you should start complaining,first make the move.

*modified
Based on the comments of this thread I wanna clarify something, I am not saying ladies should retain or not retain their personal values all I am saying is that don't pressure them to dump their feminity,its their choice,if they want to dump it,fine! If they don't want to,fine! The main objective is not to alter their nature,but promote equality... Their choice to retain their nature is their decision to make....

Cc: antibrutus,liberalchick,poccohantas,magnoliaa,martinez39,redcreme21,budaatum,fuministicqueen,JOHNNYDISPUTE, martinez39

funmisticqueen:
why did you drag me into this? After spelling my monicker with yoruba accent. i am not a feminist but you laid some good points there.

Michellekabod2:
how did i drag you into this?

funmisticqueen:
ou mentoned my monicker and spelled it incorrectly

Iloveu2:
It's only a matter of time this disease called FEMINISM will become fully cured just as you are curing yourself gradually.

funmisticqueen:
why did you drag me into this? After spelling my monicker with yoruba accent. i am not a feminist but you laid some good points there.