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4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by englishmart(m): 7:02am On Dec 29, 2019
1.Jesus is the only way to God, John 14:6
This invariably means those who don't believe in Jesus have no business in heaven.
Christians worldwide have an estimated population of 2.4billion people
Islam records an estimate of 1.9 billion adherents, Hindu has an estimated 1.1bn adherents. The remaining world's population have their own beliefs which includes atheism.
If Jesus is the only way to God, what happens to those who don't believe in him? Hell? Well, the Bible suggests so.


2. There are a lot of complications and contradictory remarks in the Bible- a verse says don't drink, another says "Drink for your stomach sake", or "Do not drink wherein excess."
Malachi 3:10 a famous Bible verse on tithing speaks about bringing your tithe to the storehouse (church, maybe)
Deuteronomy 14:22-26 says otherwise, it says "you should drink and be merry with your tithe". I'm seriously beginning to doubt the credibility of the Bible. Maybe the translators' fault or God told writers different stories on the same issue. Read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's account of Jesus and see real contradictions.


3. Does God answer prayers? Well, I'm not really sure about that. Someone might be suffering from malaria, the person takes drugs and still prays, the drugs work, but the person thanks God. Or a successful surgical operation, instead of thanking the doctor, they thank God. Some illnesses that would have been treated led to deaths because a certain congregation who were supposed to take the ill persons to the hospital, circled around praying. Faith without work isn't it still dead?
I remember when I had stomach ulcer, it was really terrible, I prayed and made several promises to God that if He took away the ulcer, I'd drink no more alcohol and will be more devout in worshipping Him. That didn't solve anything though, I stopped drinking and took to taking my drugs more seriously. Weeks later, I was well. I returned to drinking and after a few months, the ulcer resurfaced. That was when I realized I really needed to quit drinking. Prayers wouldn't have solved that issue.
I spent 80% of 2019 at home because of my misgivings about God's existence.
I really wish I could be convinced about God's existence because I'm not even happy to be away from Church because of the views of friends and family.

4. Children of God, or so called children of God tend to suffer more tribulations, hard times and desperate moments, a lot of them scream "Vanity upon Vanity" when secular people live in luxury or spend extravagantly. God tends to turn his back on those who worship Him especially when they need Him most.
The 1933 Holocaust and mass murder of Jews to the tone of 6m was a clear indication that God turns His eyes against His people
Repulsive comments are highly welcome

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by MJBOLT: 7:08am On Dec 29, 2019
gradually people will wake up and realise religion is a scam and there is no god anywhere.

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by kunlesufyan(m): 7:10am On Dec 29, 2019
I'm here to read other people's thoughts.

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by englishmart(m): 7:11am On Dec 29, 2019
MJBOLT:
gradually people will wake up and realise religion is a scam and there is no god anywhere.
I guess I'm beginning to wake up to that reality.

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by bmdmixer: 7:14am On Dec 29, 2019
englishmart:
1.Jesus is the only way to God, John 14:6
This invariably means those who don't believe in Jesus have no business in heaven.
Christians worldwide have an estimated population of 2.4billion people
Islam records an estimate of 1.9 billion adherents, Hindu has an estimated 1.1bn adherents. The remaining world's population have their own beliefs which includes atheism.
If Jesus is the only way to God, what happens to those who don't believe in him? Hell? Well, the Bible suggests so.


2. There are a lot of complications and contradictory remarks in the Bible- a verse says don't drink, another says "Drink for your stomach sake", or "Do not drink wherein excess."
Malachi 3:10 a famous Bible verse on tithing speaks about bringing your tithe to the storehouse (church, maybe)
Deuteronomy 14:22-26 says otherwise, it says "you should drink and be merry with your tithe". I'm seriously beginning to doubt the credibility of the Bible. Maybe the translators' fault or God told writers different stories on the same issue. Read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's account of Jesus and see real contradictions.


3. Does God answer prayers? Well, I'm really sure about that. Someone might be suffering from malaria, the person takes drugs and still prays, the drugs work, but the person thanks God. Or a successful surgical operation, instead of thanking the doctor, they thank God. Some illnesses that would have been treated led to deaths because a certain congregation who were supposed to take the ill persons to the hospital, circled around praying. Faith without work isn't it still dead?
I remember when I had stomach ulcer, it was really terrible, I prayed and made several promises to God that if He took away the ulcer, I'd drink no more alcohol and will be more devout in worshipping Him. That didn't solve anything though, I stopped drinking and took to taking my drugs more seriously. Weeks later, I was well. I returned to drinking and after a few months, the ulcer resurfaced. That was when I realized I really needed to quit drinking. Prayers wouldn't have solved that issue.
I spent 80% of 2019 at home because of my misgivings about God's existence.
I really wish I could be convinced about God's existence because I'm not even happy to be away from Church because of the views of friends and family.

4. Children of God, or so called children of God tend to suffer more tribulations, hard times and desperate moments, a lot of them scream "Vanity upon Vanity" when secular people live in luxury or spend extravagantly. God tends to turn his back on those who worship Him especially when they need Him most.
The 1933 Holocaust and mass murder of Jews to the tone of 6m was a clear indication that God turns His eyes against His people
Repulsive comments are highly welcome


Deuteronomy 14:22-26 read that well again biko

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by englishmart(m): 7:20am On Dec 29, 2019
bmdmixer:
Deuteronomy 14:22-26 read that well again biko
22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.

23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always.

24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away),

25.then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose.

26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by bmdmixer: 7:23am On Dec 29, 2019
englishmart:

22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.

23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always.

24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away),

25.then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose.

26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice
its like trade by barter wat u change the money for u give to d lord
wat u make u give a little to d church
wat u make u take to d church n eat it there with d church


i dont tithe dont give a Bleep anyway

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by englishmart(m): 7:26am On Dec 29, 2019
bmdmixer:
its like trade by barter wat u change the money for u give to d lord
wat u make u give a little to d church
wat u make u take to d church n eat it there with d church


i dont tithe dont give a Bleep anyway
Household, not church. It's plain English, no need for holy Spirit's interpretation. It's telling you how to spend your tithes, not what to do with your entire produce

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Davash222(m): 7:31am On Dec 29, 2019
englishmart:
Household, not church. It's plain English, no need for holy Spirit's interpretation. It's telling you how to spend your tithes, not what to do with your entire produce
God is Ominous.. No one can understand Him fully.

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by bmdmixer: 7:31am On Dec 29, 2019
englishmart:
Household, not church. It's plain English, no need for holy Spirit's interpretation. It's telling you how to spend your tithes, not what to do with your entire produce
lol ok o
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Nobody: 7:40am On Dec 29, 2019
have you been baptized by the holy spirit? It is digusting that over the years, you have been honouring God with your mouth, not your heart.
Improve your spiritual life and you will have the encounter of God

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Mustack: 7:44am On Dec 29, 2019
englishmart:
1.Jesus is the only way to God, John 14:6
This invariably means those who don't believe in Jesus have no business in heaven.
Christians worldwide have an estimated population of 2.4billion people
Islam records an estimate of 1.9 billion adherents, Hindu has an estimated 1.1bn adherents. The remaining world's population have their own beliefs which includes atheism.
If Jesus is the only way to God, what happens to those who don't believe in him? Hell? Well, the Bible suggests so.


2. There are a lot of complications and contradictory remarks in the Bible- a verse says don't drink, another says "Drink for your stomach sake", or "Do not drink wherein excess."
Malachi 3:10 a famous Bible verse on tithing speaks about bringing your tithe to the storehouse (church, maybe)
Deuteronomy 14:22-26 says otherwise, it says "you should drink and be merry with your tithe". I'm seriously beginning to doubt the credibility of the Bible. Maybe the translators' fault or God told writers different stories on the same issue. Read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's account of Jesus and see real contradictions.


3. Does God answer prayers? Well, I'm really sure about that. Someone might be suffering from malaria, the person takes drugs and still prays, the drugs work, but the person thanks God. Or a successful surgical operation, instead of thanking the doctor, they thank God. Some illnesses that would have been treated led to deaths because a certain congregation who were supposed to take the ill persons to the hospital, circled around praying. Faith without work isn't it still dead?
I remember when I had stomach ulcer, it was really terrible, I prayed and made several promises to God that if He took away the ulcer, I'd drink no more alcohol and will be more devout in worshipping Him. That didn't solve anything though, I stopped drinking and took to taking my drugs more seriously. Weeks later, I was well. I returned to drinking and after a few months, the ulcer resurfaced. That was when I realized I really needed to quit drinking. Prayers wouldn't have solved that issue.
I spent 80% of 2019 at home because of my misgivings about God's existence.
I really wish I could be convinced about God's existence because I'm not even happy to be away from Church because of the views of friends and family.

4. Children of God, or so called children of God tend to suffer more tribulations, hard times and desperate moments, a lot of them scream "Vanity upon Vanity" when secular people live in luxury or spend extravagantly. God tends to turn his back on those who worship Him especially when they need Him most.
The 1933 Holocaust and mass murder of Jews to the tone of 6m was a clear indication that God turns His eyes against His people
Repulsive comments are highly welcome




Pls do a research about Islam.. get a copy of translated Qur'an

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by englishmart(m): 7:47am On Dec 29, 2019
Davash222:

God is Ominous.. No one can understand Him fully.
Ominous? Ok o. BTW, this thread has opened my eyes to a lot of arguable facts. We learn everyday and I'm super grateful to those who took their time to kindly analyse this and proffer help. Thanks, guys.

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by englishmart(m): 7:48am On Dec 29, 2019
Mustack:



Pls do a research about Islam.. get a copy of translated Qur'an
I'm not that jobless, man.

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by englishmart(m): 7:49am On Dec 29, 2019
Atayis:
have you been baptized by the holy spirit? It is digusting that over the years, you have been honouring God with your mouth, not your heart.
Improve your spiritual life and you will have the encounter of God
Let me just pretend you've encountered God.

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Mustack: 7:50am On Dec 29, 2019
englishmart:
I'm not that jobless, man.


Am sorry..

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Acehart: 7:53am On Dec 29, 2019
Mark 9:7 Then a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came out of the cloud, "This is My beloved Son, listen to (only) Him!"

This is one of the most important verses in the Christian scriptures. The Father expressly told the apostles not to pay attention to the words of Moses or that of Elijah. If you have read the Holy Bible up to this point, your natural reaction will be to “delete” every word of Moses and the sections concerning Elijah in your Bible. Moses himself had stated that a greater prophet than him will come whom the people should listen to. Every contradiction that you think exists in the Bible exists when you juxtapose what men said with what God Himself said. Today, we lay a lot of emphasis on Moses’ words and actions that we face a lot of spiritual anxiety. Instead of vilifying Elijah’s bloodletting, we glorify his heinous act.

Does God exist? Checkout your fingerprint login on your phone; no one in this world of over 4 billion people can have access to your phone except you - that is some excellent design there if you would think about it.

The God of Heaven is a sovereign God; He does as He wishes and because He is excellent, He does all things well and knows all things well. Prayer is not a “genie-effect”. If someone who is mightier than you and knows more than you is before you; and you could make a request before such a one, your words will be with exquisite submission. But you have not recognized the true God’s character.

Finally, I’d like to ask: what is your value in the universe?

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by englishmart(m): 7:53am On Dec 29, 2019
Mustack:



Am sorry..
No pun intended, just that I don't find that fascinating as I don't intend to delve into further befuddlement

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Petersamuel8(m): 7:59am On Dec 29, 2019
Good for you, everybody can't go to heaven

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Nobody: 8:03am On Dec 29, 2019
THEN JOIN ISLAM, YOU WON'T REGRET IT

You can't be an Atheist, you can only be a Deist

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Nobody: 8:06am On Dec 29, 2019
Religion is not about heaven and hell nor God and Satan.

The stories in religious books are there to help teachers teach children how to survive peacefully and harmoniously with others.

Religion was all about survival. Sadly not anymore.

The modern world believes Abrahamic religions have outlived their usefulness because they've killed God.

There's no longer anything to fear, so many people no longer have reasons to endure the pain of this world. No hope of eternal life. Surprisingly, Slave morality is on a rapid rise in disguise.

Hope has become a fraud.

Empathy is only employed when it's convenient.

The things our fathers were ashamed of are what we celebrate today.

Religious leaders live out their grandiose fantasy at the expense of their sheeple because they've replaced God.

Is atheism the answer? From my experience, I don't think so.

Most atheists in religious countries are usually apathetic and in some cases bitter. This doesn't help anybody, not even the atheists themselves.

The easiest way to save Africans from modern religious manipulators (if you care) is to become very religious and inspire the sheeple in bondage to be more educated and see for themselves that God is dead and it's time to move on.

How do you do this? Become a Sunday school teacher, preacher etc. Intentionally expose your audience to thought-provoking books and materials that helped you come to terms with reality. While at it, always emphasize on empathy and how our collective survival and advancement depends on it.

In the end, liberating Education is what we need. Not apathy, elitism, bitterness, etc that comes with being an atheist in this part of the world.


PS- Good/bad fortune has nothing to do with God. It has everything to do with you and the people you surround yourself with.

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 8:12am On Dec 29, 2019
Englishmart
I am happy you have come to this knowledge.
Of course, I might delve beyond what you have come to, the Bible has so many things that don't add up. Lots of Christians know this but they have no choice, their mind has become enslaved. Let me share what I have come to:
The truth is whatsoever you believe in works for you, our belief births power, that is so because we are offshoot of God, God lives through us and through God we live. We have been taught to see right and wrong but there is nothing like right or wrong.
They say when we die in sin, we end up burning for all eternity, well that's a lie, no thanks to the Roman Catholic Church, there is nothing like hell, instead there's Reincarnation, we in Africa believed strongly in reincarnation except that now it's just the devil's doing, names like Babatunde ( father is reborn) are significant.

When a child is born blind, the child probably made someone blind in his past life. The Bible can't give you this knowledge because those that know seek to cage our minds with fear.

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by englishmart(m): 8:16am On Dec 29, 2019
Acehart:
Mark 9:7 Then a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came out of the cloud, "This is My beloved Son, listen to (only) Him!"

This is one of the most important verses in the Christian scriptures. The Father expressly told the apostles not to pay attention to the words of Moses or that Elijah. If you have read the Holy Bible up to this point, your natural reaction will be to “delete” every word of Moses or the sections concerning Elijah in your Bible. Moses himself had stated that a greater prophet than him will come that the people should listen to Him. Every contradiction that you think exists in the Bible exists when you juxtapose what men said with what God Himself said. Today, we lay a lot of emphasis on Moses’ words and actions that we face a lot of spiritual anxiety.

Does God exist? Checkout your fingerprint login on your phone; no one in this world of over 4 billion people can have access to your phone except you; that is some excellent design there if you would think about it.

The God of Heaven is a sovereign God; He does as He wishes and because He is excellent, He does all things well and knows all things well. Prayer is not a “genie-effect”. If someone is mightier than you and knows more than you is before you; and you could make a request before such a one, your words will be with exquisite submission. But you have not recognized the true God’s character.

Finally, I’d like to ask: what is your value in the universe?
If you were born a Saudi Arabian, you'd most likely be a Muslim and won't be saying that.
BTW, you talk like you're God's media aide

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Nobody: 8:16am On Dec 29, 2019
Atayis:
have you been baptized by the holy spirit? It is digusting that over the years, you have been honouring God with your mouth, not your heart.
Improve your spiritual life and you will have the encounter of God

There is always that one person

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Mcuzy(m): 8:20am On Dec 29, 2019
I also had all these questions and i used to seriously consider being an atheist (was even one at some point) but whenever I slip I always see sometin that makes me acknowledge God. Do not listen to people who insult u , if u weren't asking questions u must be stupid . Find ur answers by yourself don't listen to anybody ., find ur truth . I hope u find the light , BTW am Catholic .

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by englishmart(m): 8:24am On Dec 29, 2019
Roycemadeit:
Englishmart
I am happy you have come to this knowledge.
Of course, I might delve beyond what you have come to, the Bible has so many things that don't add up. Lots of Christians know this but they have no choice, their mind has become enslaved. Let me share what I have come to:
The truth is whatsoever you believe in works for you, our belief births power, that is so because we are offshoot of God, God lives through us and through God we live. We have been taught to see right and wrong but there is nothing like right or wrong.
They say when we die in sin, we end up burning for all eternity, well that's a lie, no thanks to the Roman Catholic Church, there is nothing like hell, instead there's Reincarnation, we in Africa believed strongly in reincarnation except that now it's just the devil's doing, names like Babatunde ( father is reborn) are significant.

When a child is born blind, the child probably made someone blind in his past life. The Bible can't give you this knowledge because those that know seek to cage our minds with fear.
A very sound analysis. If I was born as Indian, there's an 80% possiblity I would have been Hindu, and won't believe in Jesus. How is that supposed to alienate me from heaven? Do people choose their birthplaces or countries?

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Acehart: 8:26am On Dec 29, 2019
You seem not to have read the Bible cover-to-cover. It is very glaring right from the first pages of the Bible that Children of God suffer. You should read Psalms 73 to see what we, the children of God, go through when we see the wicked enjoying while we suffer.

From what I insinuated earlier, you read the Christian scriptures sparingly but you sound like you know the word of God page to page (but it has disappointed you).

Suffering achieves two things for the children of God:

1. To expunge the love of sin in us. This is when suffering comes as judgement (discipline).

2. To bring out the nature God made us for. (This is what many call the Gethsemane experience. Gethsemane means Garden of pressing. (There was an oil press factory in that garden)).

The two points seem like the same except that point two makes the Child of God become helpless and makes his total hope to be on God. Our old, unreformed, nature is hostile to God. After becoming saved, that nature still lingers. God uses suffering to remove that nature and leaves us with the pure nature he made us in - the nature of Christ.

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by englishmart(m): 8:31am On Dec 29, 2019
Mcuzy:
I also had all these questions and i used to seriously consider being an atheist (was even one at some point) but whenever I slip I always see sometin that makes me acknowledge God. Do not listen to people who insult u , if u weren't asking questions u must be stupid . Find ur answers by yourself don't listen to anybody ., find ur truth . I hope u find the light , BTW am Catholic .
Thanks, man. I will make further research and questioning

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by englishmart(m): 8:33am On Dec 29, 2019
Acehart:
You seem not to have read the Bible cover-to-cover. It is very glaring right from the first pages of the Bible that Children of God suffer. You should read Psalms 73 to see what we, the children of God, go through when we see the wicked enjoying while we suffer.

From what I insinuated earlier, you read the Christian scriptures sparingly but you sound like you know the word of God page to page (but it has disappointed you).

Suffering achieves two things for the children of God:

1. To expunge the love of sin in us. This happens when suffering comes as judgement (discipline).

2. To bring out the nature God made us for. (This is what many call the Gethsemane experience. Gethsemane means Garden of pressing. (There was an oil press factory in that garden)).

The two points seem like the same except that point two makes the Child of God become helpless and makes his total hope to be on God. Our old, unreformed, nature is hostile to God. After becoming saved, that nature still lingers. God uses suffering to remove that nature and leaves us with the pure nature he made us in - the nature of Christ.
ok

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 8:41am On Dec 29, 2019
englishmart:
A very sound analysis. If I was born as Indian, there's an 80% possible I would have been Hindu, and won't believe in Jesus. How is that supposed to alienate me from heaven? Do people choose their birthplaces or countries?
Yes, they choose.
And let me add no one is ever alienated from God

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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 8:50am On Dec 29, 2019
Acehart:


Suffering achieves two things for the children of God:

1. To expunge the love of sin in us. This happens when suffering comes as judgement (discipline).

2. To bring out the nature God made us for. (This is what many call the Gethsemane experience. Gethsemane means Garden of pressing. (There was an oil press factory in that garden)).

Incredible but wait.
Who is defining what sin is?

There's nothing like sin, what there is, is that which doesn't serve our highest interest.
And yet again every religion strongly believe theirs is the only way to God.
Separatism breeds Chaos.
God's wish is for us to come to this understanding that you and I are one, that we are not separate but one, whatsoever I do, should be in best thought of us.

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