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Ihedinobi3:
Hello to you too.

Before the Lord Jesus came in the flesh, God had already taught the human race of His Coming through, first, the protoevangelium or first gospel in the Garden of Eden when He told Adam and Eve of the Coming Savior and demonstrated what that Savior would do with the first animal sacrifice from which He gave them coats of skin to cover their unclothedness (Genesis 3:15,21), and second, the Law of Moses that he gave to Israel for the whole world.

Adam and Eve passed the Good News down to their descendants. That was why Abel carried out a sacrifice of blood, showing faith in the Coming Messiah, and was declared righteous as a result, and why Cain carried out a sacrifice too although he dared to pretend that his sin did not demand forfeiture of life, and he was rejected for daring to presume that he did not deserve to die for his sin. His lack of Faith in the coming Messiah condemned him.

Sacrifices of the sort that the Lord carried out in the Garden for Adam and Eve and of the sort that Abel did went on throughout history until the Lord institutionalized it and codified it in the Law of Moses to teach a fuller meaning of it to Israel and through Israel to the world.

As long as anyone demonstrated faith in the Coming Savior through offering a blood sacrifice for their sin, using animals as taught by the Lord, they were saved by that faith.

When the Lord Jesus came, He fulfilled what those sacrifices were pointing to: a full payment for our sins against God. No animal sacrifice ever saved anyone. Only the Spiritual Death of a Perfect Man Who could suffer the full penalty for all sins and rebellions of every member of the human race without turning bitter and falling into sin himself could save us all. The only Person who could actually pay such a hefty price without getting bitter about it was God Himself. That was why the Lord Jesus had to become a normal Human Being absent a sin nature like the rest of us have, hence the Virgin Birth.

As I said, it was faith in Him, both that He would come later in history to die for our sins and that He had actually come and died for our sins when He did, that saves, not merely the killing of some animal. The animal sacrifice was only a demonstration of that faith before the Lord came. Now that He has come and died for us, animal sacrifices are now not only unnecessary but also blasphemous. Only faith that He has come and died for us saves us today.

So, those who believed in the Coming Messiah or Savior were saved by that belief.

Finally, no human being existed five thousand years before the Lord Jesus came. Adam was created about 4000 years before the Lord Jesus came.

MiltonFine:
On whose authority do you assert that a faithless man is an empty man? Yours?

midnighter:
The righteous among them will go to Heaven, since Jesus' death had not yet come to pass.

WebSurfer:
Go and learn about Cells, how they develop and geography properly

Without that, nothing will make sense to you

whitelotus:
The righteous pagans will go to heaven?

MedicH:
what does it mean to become an atheist? an examiner of the things of God right?

pls bye i no get strength

whitelotus:
At 6000 BC, people were writing in China. That is 6,000 years before christ.

Adam and Eve were not the first people on earth. Most bible scholars would tell you that the bible story is metaphorical.


At this point, I cant see why I should trust anything you say.

englishmart:
1.Jesus is the only way to God, John 14:6
This invariably means those who don't believe in Jesus have no business in heaven.
Christians worldwide have an estimated population of 2.4billion people
Islam records an estimate of 1.9 billion adherents, Hindu has an estimated 1.1bn adherents. The remaining world's population have their own beliefs which includes atheism.
If Jesus is the only way to God, what happens to those who don't believe in him? Hell? Well, the Bible suggests so.

2. There are a lot of complications and contradictory remarks in the Bible- a verse says don't drink, another says "Drink for your stomach sake", or "Do not drink wherein excess."
Malachi 3:10 a famous Bible verse on tithing speaks about bringing your tithe to the storehouse (church, maybe)
Deuteronomy 14:22-26 says otherwise, it says "you should drink and be merry with your tithe". I'm seriously beginning to doubt the credibility of the Bible. Maybe the translators' fault or God told writers different stories on the same issue. Read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's account of Jesus and see real contradictions.

3. Does God answer prayers? Well, I'm not really sure about that. Someone might be suffering from malaria, the person takes drugs and still prays, the drugs work, but the person thanks God. Or a successful surgical operation, instead of thanking the doctor, they thank God. Some illnesses that would have been treated led to deaths because a certain congregation who were supposed to take the ill persons to the hospital, circled around praying. Faith without work isn't it still dead?
I remember when I had stomach ulcer, it was really terrible, I prayed and made several promises to God that if He took away the ulcer, I'd drink no more alcohol and will be more devout in worshipping Him. That didn't solve anything though, I stopped drinking and took to taking my drugs more seriously. Weeks later, I was well. I returned to drinking and after a few months, the ulcer resurfaced. That was when I realized I really needed to quit drinking. Prayers wouldn't have solved that issue.
I spent 80% of 2019 at home because of my misgivings about God's existence.
I really wish I could be convinced about God's existence because I'm not even happy to be away from Church because of the views of friends and family.

4. Children of God, or so called children of God tend to suffer more tribulations, hard times and desperate moments, a lot of them scream "Vanity upon Vanity" when secular people live in luxury or spend extravagantly. God tends to turn his back on those who worship Him especially when they need Him most.
The 1933 Holocaust and mass murder of Jews to the tone of 6m was a clear indication that God turns His eyes against His people
Repulsive comments are highly welcome

cooltola:
Please explain how the universe started?

Snowale:
THEN JOIN ISLAM, YOU WON'T REGRET IT

You can't be an Atheist, you can only be a Deist

Daejoyoung:
lf you examine your bible deeply, how can you say john 3v16 teaches you Hellfire if you think critically? Hellfire from the parables of jesus is more of a state than a place, you experience weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see that you are outside God's kingdom on earth( where there is power over death, sickness, and sufferings). You experience hellfire when you wilfully remain in sin and when you deny or blaspheme the Holyspirit of God that can dwell in you. The Holyspirit within is the power of the kingdom ( the age to come).
All of these have little or nothing to do with belief in doctrines or creeds, but more to do with an active faith that helps you live like you are already in the kingdom of God.

cooltola:
Once again, I am late in this thread. To the atheists, serious explain how life started because the theory of evolution and big bang theory sound too science fiction for me. The universe is just too complicated to be accidentally and too organized to be come out of no where. To those who said Christian are dumb, mind you that many technologies comes from Christians. So we are not as dumb as you think.

DMerciful:
There is nothing to learn that does not ultimately points to God. Your ability to think and your consciousness cannot be by chance!

Expert17:
Go and sniff ur drugs..... MUGU

its not my fault u dnt believe in GOD.

englishmart:
1.Jesus is the only way to God, John 14:6
This invariably means those who don't believe in Jesus have no business in heaven.
Christians worldwide have an estimated population of 2.4billion people
Islam records an estimate of 1.9 billion adherents, Hindu has an estimated 1.1bn adherents. The remaining world's population have their own beliefs which includes atheism.
If Jesus is the only way to God, what happens to those who don't believe in him? Hell? Well, the Bible suggests so.

2. There are a lot of complications and contradictory remarks in the Bible- a verse says don't drink, another says "Drink for your stomach sake", or "Do not drink wherein excess."
Malachi 3:10 a famous Bible verse on tithing speaks about bringing your tithe to the storehouse (church, maybe)
Deuteronomy 14:22-26 says otherwise, it says "you should drink and be merry with your tithe". I'm seriously beginning to doubt the credibility of the Bible. Maybe the translators' fault or God told writers different stories on the same issue. Read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's account of Jesus and see real contradictions.

3. Does God answer prayers? Well, I'm not really sure about that. Someone might be suffering from malaria, the person takes drugs and still prays, the drugs work, but the person thanks God. Or a successful surgical operation, instead of thanking the doctor, they thank God. Some illnesses that would have been treated led to deaths because a certain congregation who were supposed to take the ill persons to the hospital, circled around praying. Faith without work isn't it still dead?
I remember when I had stomach ulcer, it was really terrible, I prayed and made several promises to God that if He took away the ulcer, I'd drink no more alcohol and will be more devout in worshipping Him. That didn't solve anything though, I stopped drinking and took to taking my drugs more seriously. Weeks later, I was well. I returned to drinking and after a few months, the ulcer resurfaced. That was when I realized I really needed to quit drinking. Prayers wouldn't have solved that issue.
I spent 80% of 2019 at home because of my misgivings about God's existence.
I really wish I could be convinced about God's existence because I'm not even happy to be away from Church because of the views of friends and family.

4. Children of God, or so called children of God tend to suffer more tribulations, hard times and desperate moments, a lot of them scream "Vanity upon Vanity" when secular people live in luxury or spend extravagantly. God tends to turn his back on those who worship Him especially when they need Him most.
The 1933 Holocaust and mass murder of Jews to the tone of 6m was a clear indication that God turns His eyes against His people
Repulsive comments are highly welcome

englishmart:
1.Jesus is the only way to God, John 14:6
This invariably means those who don't believe in Jesus have no business in heaven.
Christians worldwide have an estimated population of 2.4billion people
Islam records an estimate of 1.9 billion adherents, Hindu has an estimated 1.1bn adherents. The remaining world's population have their own beliefs which includes atheism.
If Jesus is the only way to God, what happens to those who don't believe in him? Hell? Well, the Bible suggests so.

2. There are a lot of complications and contradictory remarks in the Bible- a verse says don't drink, another says "Drink for your stomach sake", or "Do not drink wherein excess."
Malachi 3:10 a famous Bible verse on tithing speaks about bringing your tithe to the storehouse (church, maybe)
Deuteronomy 14:22-26 says otherwise, it says "you should drink and be merry with your tithe". I'm seriously beginning to doubt the credibility of the Bible. Maybe the translators' fault or God told writers different stories on the same issue. Read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's account of Jesus and see real contradictions.

3. Does God answer prayers? Well, I'm not really sure about that. Someone might be suffering from malaria, the person takes drugs and still prays, the drugs work, but the person thanks God. Or a successful surgical operation, instead of thanking the doctor, they thank God. Some illnesses that would have been treated led to deaths because a certain congregation who were supposed to take the ill persons to the hospital, circled around praying. Faith without work isn't it still dead?
I remember when I had stomach ulcer, it was really terrible, I prayed and made several promises to God that if He took away the ulcer, I'd drink no more alcohol and will be more devout in worshipping Him. That didn't solve anything though, I stopped drinking and took to taking my drugs more seriously. Weeks later, I was well. I returned to drinking and after a few months, the ulcer resurfaced. That was when I realized I really needed to quit drinking. Prayers wouldn't have solved that issue.
I spent 80% of 2019 at home because of my misgivings about God's existence.
I really wish I could be convinced about God's existence because I'm not even happy to be away from Church because of the views of friends and family.

4. Children of God, or so called children of God tend to suffer more tribulations, hard times and desperate moments, a lot of them scream "Vanity upon Vanity" when secular people live in luxury or spend extravagantly. God tends to turn his back on those who worship Him especially when they need Him most.
The 1933 Holocaust and mass murder of Jews to the tone of 6m was a clear indication that God turns His eyes against His people
Repulsive comments are highly welcome

PrinceMajestic:
God is a lie, the devil is a lie. But reading that Bible carefully u find out the real killer is god, d real bad guy is god who wanted man to live and roam naked until a talking snake made them realize they were naked after eating d fruit man became reasonable n started clothing themselves, s@tan has given u wisdom in that regard. God is d killah who drowned million pple n saved a family together with all animals in an ark, God killed innocent infants in Egypt bcuz he was mad at pharaoh, god helped Israelites kill Jericho people, god sends soldiers to Attack non believers cities killing them, looting their treasures, raping their wives n keeping virgins for themselves etc yet this god loves u and will roast u in hot fire for not accepting this But devil didn't kill anyone except tormenting a man in connivance with the same god but u say god is good guy n devil is bad guy? Well everything is a lie, I've been Atheist since 15yr of age when I started using offering cash for myself n gave fake stomach ache excuses just to get back home from church. Today religion is the highest tool of exploiting and terrorising gullible people. Ancient Christians were the Catholic crusaders(terrorists) who murdered innocent people, enslaved n impose the religion on people(we all know the brutal British slave traders are Christians) today we have new terrorist sects from another foreign religion: Moslem terrorist s:Isis, book haram, Taliban etc. All are terrorising and exploiting people with d fake ment@l tool popularly called: god or dog or whatever. I appreciate threads like this to liberate victims of religious delusion.

englishmart:
1.Jesus is the only way to God, John 14:6
This invariably means those who don't believe in Jesus have no business in heaven.
Christians worldwide have an estimated population of 2.4billion people
Islam records an estimate of 1.9 billion adherents, Hindu has an estimated 1.1bn adherents. The remaining world's population have their own beliefs which includes atheism.
If Jesus is the only way to God, what happens to those who don't believe in him? Hell? Well, the Bible suggests so.

2. There are a lot of complications and contradictory remarks in the Bible- a verse says don't drink, another says "Drink for your stomach sake", or "Do not drink wherein excess."
Malachi 3:10 a famous Bible verse on tithing speaks about bringing your tithe to the storehouse (church, maybe)
Deuteronomy 14:22-26 says otherwise, it says "you should drink and be merry with your tithe". I'm seriously beginning to doubt the credibility of the Bible. Maybe the translators' fault or God told writers different stories on the same issue. Read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's account of Jesus and see real contradictions.

3. Does God answer prayers? Well, I'm not really sure about that. Someone might be suffering from malaria, the person takes drugs and still prays, the drugs work, but the person thanks God. Or a successful surgical operation, instead of thanking the doctor, they thank God. Some illnesses that would have been treated led to deaths because a certain congregation who were supposed to take the ill persons to the hospital, circled around praying. Faith without work isn't it still dead?
I remember when I had stomach ulcer, it was really terrible, I prayed and made several promises to God that if He took away the ulcer, I'd drink no more alcohol and will be more devout in worshipping Him. That didn't solve anything though, I stopped drinking and took to taking my drugs more seriously. Weeks later, I was well. I returned to drinking and after a few months, the ulcer resurfaced. That was when I realized I really needed to quit drinking. Prayers wouldn't have solved that issue.
I spent 80% of 2019 at home because of my misgivings about God's existence.
I really wish I could be convinced about God's existence because I'm not even happy to be away from Church because of the views of friends and family.

4. Children of God, or so called children of God tend to suffer more tribulations, hard times and desperate moments, a lot of them scream "Vanity upon Vanity" when secular people live in luxury or spend extravagantly. God tends to turn his back on those who worship Him especially when they need Him most.
The 1933 Holocaust and mass murder of Jews to the tone of 6m was a clear indication that God turns His eyes against His people
Repulsive comments are highly welcome

MedicH:
John 3:16 said if you fail to believe that Jesus died on the cross you will go to hell fire. Atheism is simply the belief that there is no God. this one u dont need the holy spirit to explain

MedicH:
people are throwing up intelligent points here and this perpetually empty man is saying nonsense. dont u want to be useful at all?

englishmart:
1.Jesus is the only way to God, John 14:6
This invariably means those who don't believe in Jesus have no business in heaven.
Christians worldwide have an estimated population of 2.4billion people
Islam records an estimate of 1.9 billion adherents, Hindu has an estimated 1.1bn adherents. The remaining world's population have their own beliefs which includes atheism.
If Jesus is the only way to God, what happens to those who don't believe in him? Hell? Well, the Bible suggests so.

2. There are a lot of complications and contradictory remarks in the Bible- a verse says don't drink, another says "Drink for your stomach sake", or "Do not drink wherein excess."
Malachi 3:10 a famous Bible verse on tithing speaks about bringing your tithe to the storehouse (church, maybe)
Deuteronomy 14:22-26 says otherwise, it says "you should drink and be merry with your tithe". I'm seriously beginning to doubt the credibility of the Bible. Maybe the translators' fault or God told writers different stories on the same issue. Read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's account of Jesus and see real contradictions.

3. Does God answer prayers? Well, I'm not really sure about that. Someone might be suffering from malaria, the person takes drugs and still prays, the drugs work, but the person thanks God. Or a successful surgical operation, instead of thanking the doctor, they thank God. Some illnesses that would have been treated led to deaths because a certain congregation who were supposed to take the ill persons to the hospital, circled around praying. Faith without work isn't it still dead?
I remember when I had stomach ulcer, it was really terrible, I prayed and made several promises to God that if He took away the ulcer, I'd drink no more alcohol and will be more devout in worshipping Him. That didn't solve anything though, I stopped drinking and took to taking my drugs more seriously. Weeks later, I was well. I returned to drinking and after a few months, the ulcer resurfaced. That was when I realized I really needed to quit drinking. Prayers wouldn't have solved that issue.
I spent 80% of 2019 at home because of my misgivings about God's existence.
I really wish I could be convinced about God's existence because I'm not even happy to be away from Church because of the views of friends and family.

4. Children of God, or so called children of God tend to suffer more tribulations, hard times and desperate moments, a lot of them scream "Vanity upon Vanity" when secular people live in luxury or spend extravagantly. God tends to turn his back on those who worship Him especially when they need Him most.
The 1933 Holocaust and mass murder of Jews to the tone of 6m was a clear indication that God turns His eyes against His people
Repulsive comments are highly welcome