atoleybaba:
what other Bible verse concerning blood those he want apart from the one shown to him? I asked him to go to d website to see the type of drugs that can be used and doesn't relate to taking blood....what is wrong if he makes research to find answers to questions he seeks? The website will provide him better explanation has it has already been written already.... whatever I will tell him will be from where am directing him to. So instead of pasting it here why can't he take his time to visit the website....if he really wants answer other than for mocking sake, I don't think it will take anything from him

DECLAN2015:


U be olodo
Exchange blood transfusion us the treatment for severe jaundice.

joyandfaith:


shit. you do not know different between supportive care and definite treatment. in diseases you mention, treatment is directed at underlying causes not only supportive care like fluid and oxygen therapy among others.
olodo

rOsy247:


Have you registered your business name to give more corporate look? If no, I can do it for you.

Masking:


Unfortunately, or fortunately rather, the creator has it such that Jesus is the way to God. And Jesus the way said, you must worship God in spirit and truth. You can read about that in his encounter with the samaritan woman at the well, that one that had had 5husbands.

So whether we like it or not, we must worship God, the creator, a certain way. Its that simple

Its not complex

Originalsly:


There are other treatments.... and most times no treatment is needed. I'm surprised you didn't know that. They're still wrong to use the option the parents are against.

atoleybaba:
if u genuinely need an answer you would go to the website, it is certain you just want the answer not because u really want to hear it but u just want to tackle the doctrine of the witnesses...besides the issue about drugs taaken instead of transfusion iss long to start writing....the best I can do for u is to direct u to the site to read about the drug used . Besides which drug are d witnesses using that contain blood? Go to that website if u really need an answer

Hairyrapunzel:


It is called exchange blood transfusion ode. You think you sound intelligent but sound very stupid.

You are not a paediatrician neither are you a neonatologists.

Tell us the modern medicines that are used instead of EBT when EBT is the only treatment available?

Hairyrapunzel:


You for talk na say you don't have any answer. Your gb know nothing about neonatology.


Where are the references? Lies lies lies

Let me tell you the truth that your gb will never tell you when there is an absolute indication for a newborn to get an Exchange blood transfusion there are no alternatives to it. That's why it is called absolute indication.

seuncyrus:


why am I even suprised ? pls kindly fck off ...God bless you

Hefy4real:


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21251060/#fft

That’s not all i got though. I’ll need somone who’s not dogmatic to pm me or request for more convincing proofs (not experiments)

Hefy4real:

Well, you’ve won. My motive was never to win any argument.
For more information about High-intensity phototherapy for the treatment of severe nonhaemolytic neonatal hyperbilirubinemia click the secular link below
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21251060/#fft

That’s not all i got though. I’ll need somone who’s not dogmatic to pm me or request for more convincing proofs (not experiments)

Addenn:
I have to applaud the calmness of words used by 'masking' all along despite the hotness of this topic and the enthusiasm to defend the truth. The likes of joyandfaith choice of word is not really healthy. While will all like to stand by the truth, our manner of defending the truth goes a long way to say something about our belief. For the likes of 'ucham' and others who keep asking about 'fractions' 'masking'have answered you to a greater extent that it is base on 'conscience'. Perhaps you are not completely fine with that, that's why 'atolayeba' possibly direct you to the website. In summary, it is understandable that we cannot all sleep and face one direction, but with calmness and mutual respect we can accommodate other peoples' position on matters.

xaggar:


The Olodo won't check out the link.
Rigid people, who refuse to grow spiritually or even medically.

xaggar:


Typical case of the useless tongue that curse and the same time bless.

You should be surprised because you are narrow minded and love sensationalism.
Did you hear the couple's side of the story?
Did they really want their child dead?
Is it a death sentence to refuse blood transfusion?
Did you study medical science to feel there isnt any other "better" alternative?

Myopic fellow!!!

Hairyrapunzel:


Baby killer spotted.

xaggar:


The Olodo won't check out the link.
Rigid people, who refuse to grow spiritually or even medically.

Hairyrapunzel:


Last last your study never said high intensity phototherapy obviates the need for phototherapy in severe hyperbilirubinemia.

Lies lies lies.

Show me alternatives to EBT when a newborn meets the criteria for absolute EBT..
Still none?

joyandfaith:
for novice like you, do you know that no blood transfusion order is even better than Do not resuscitate order
A do-not-resuscitate (DNR) order can also be part of an advance directive. Hospital staff try to help any patient whose heart has stopped or who has stopped breathing. They do this with cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR). A DNR is a request not to have CPR if your heart stops or if you stop breathing. You can use an advance directive form or tell your doctor that you don’t want to be resuscitated. Your doctor will put the DNR order in your medical chart. Doctors and hospitals in all states accept DNR orders. They do not have to be part of a living will or other advance directive.

I repeat patient or guardian has right to refuse certain treatment options. that is medical law. no sentiment

Hairyrapunzel:


Is watchtower organisation a hospital? No
In this case baby killer the child's parents refused an exchange blood transfusion for their newborn because watchtower organisation said so.

A parent do not have a right to withhold valuable and important medical treatment or procedure from a newborn.

Do not resuscitate order in newborns is different from refusal of exchange blood transfusion in newborns.
The former is done when all means of treatment has been exhausted and patient will never live off ventilator and drs have seen neonate is brain dead.
While the later helps prevent death and neurologic damage in the neonate.


Parents can't withhold a life saving procedure for their children or babies.

You still don't get and don't believe that children newborns inclusive have rights to live.

wolesmile:
Extremism....
You find it in every religion.
JWs drink alcohol like anything o! That one is not against their belief. They do the "F" very well o (at least I dated two in the past. And believe me, They are free givers. To them, it is "Catching fun." So it is blood transfusion that is against their belief.


That was how, when I was in secondary school in the late 80s, a teacher of mine lost her child due to religious extremism. She be Deeper Life. We call them SU then. Her child was sick and she refused to take him to the hospital. They kept praying and holding vigil in the house for the poor, innocent child. Even after they lost the child, they still continued the prayer, hoping the poor little thing will resurrect. We learnt it's neighbours that broke down their door after a few days when they couldn't contain the odour from the corpse again."

Deeper life church encourage and ensure proper medical care, in every deeper life retreat camp there is always a small clinic that dispense drugs and treat the injured. I know because I've been a member all my life.

xaggar:


Typical case of the useless tongue that curse and the same time bless.

You should be surprised because you are narrow minded and love sensationalism.
Did you hear the couple's side of the story?
Did they really want their child dead?
Is it a death sentence to refuse blood transfusion?
Did you study medical science to feel there isnt any other "better" alternative?

Myopic fellow!!!

Hefy4real:


Laughing mysteriously (seriously). I specifically selected that link for you. If you could not find the answer to your question, well i’m sorry I cannot teach how to read. Again read everything on that link. Then if you are still not satisfied, se gobe

All patients were treated with high‐intensity phototherapy

The main outcomes were reduction in TSB levels in the first 24 h of phototherapy, incidence of exchange transfusion, pathological brainstem auditory evoked responses and pathological findings on neurological examination at discharge.

The mean birth weight and gestational age were 3161 ± 466 g and 37.8 ± 1.6 weeks

Per cent decreases in TSB after 2, 4, 6, 12, 18 and 24 h of phototherapy were 9.4%, 16%, 23%, 40%, 44% and 50%, respectively

No infant was treated with exchange transfusion.

No infant was treated with exchange transfusion. Brainstem evoked response audiometry (BAER) was performed in 100% of the patients, and in three of them, this examination was altered. However, when repeated 3 months later, these BAER examinations were normal. Neurological examination was normal in all patients

joyandfaith:


is this watchtower link ? keep on ranting baby killer

https://familydoctor.org/advance-directives-and-do-not-resuscitate-orders/

Authoreety:
Respect people's belief

For those quoting me;
I'm not in support of the parents stance, but we should mind what we say or do about what others believe in

Hairyrapunzel:


Me too laughing seriously. Let's analyse the abstract


Method: We analysed a cohort of 116 newborn infants with severe nonhaemolytic hyperbilirubinaemia (TSB ≥ 20 mg/dL/342 μmol/L).

116 babies. Do you know how many babies are seen daily with neonatal jaundice?
Selected those with severe nonhemolytic hyperbilirubinemia so we can say that none had hemolytic anemia.




No baby met the criteria for absolute indications for exchange blood transfusion.



Who says photolight doesn't work? Lol. Let's move further




Babies are normal weight and term and near term
So there are no LBW, VLBW and ELBW.

There are are no preterms Less than 35weeks or Small for gestational age

Mean SB Mean initial TSB concentration was 22.4 ± 2.4 mg/dL

Most people had sb of 20 to 25 ok.

What about babies with 25, 30, 35, 40





Its possible to get these after phototherapy.

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None had absolute indication for it in the first place.



No poor suck or abnormal movement of limbs, therefore,
no bilirubin induced neurologic dysfunction.

ultimate77:


Ha!! My sister!! I started following you after I admired your comment on my thread... Seeing your comments with this heavy bleep off responds is alarming. I suggest maybe you ignore or just dish it out without some insults.