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obiekunie2:
this is really nice!


i am of the opinion that the parents should be sued for negligence and intent to commit murder!


that will teach other fanatics that they just cant play with human lives on reasons of religious beleive.

True talk. This people mata don taya me aswerighad

Most parents in Nigeria are childlike and they need to be saved from themselves, and more so, their unfortunate children.

Commedable.

Ashleeyy:
I don't think they believe in Jesus though

You use the right word 'you don't think', Lol. Not that you even asked them and they said so, imaging.
This is the height of ignorance, a lot of you here saying trash about jws are like that.

Hairyrapunzel:
Baby killer spotted

Is that the only thing you know, you have littered the thread with this particular statement.

PVision2020:
https://mobile.twitter.com/followlasg/status/1214252677917544449

If Naija go truly become USA, na from Lagos e go start. My only prayer is just for other states to follow suit.

Hairyrapunzel:
You see the word reduces? It doesn't obviate the need for EBT.

I still dey wait for the sick babies own and LBW, VLBW and ELBW with neonatal jaundice.

Boy oh boy! Now let’s go real life. Well i quite agree with you that it does not obviate the need for EBT because you are in a developing country like NIgeria. Say this in other country and get yourself into trouble. I’ll give you another study-real life oo carried out here in NIgeria. Many hospitals and doctors who are now exposed in Nigeria now agree that EBT is never the last resort

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3761982/

Hairyrapunzel:
So last last Some babies in both groups still had Exchange blood transfusion lol


Some had EBT in the rh incompatibility group while some had EBT in the ABO incompatibility group


Somebody called me a quack cos I pointed out that some healthy babies who had hemolytic neonatal jaundice still had EBT.

Lol

I withdraw my statement and apologize publicly for referring to you as a quack. Silly of me.
But please reason with me on this: why would there ever be a need to reduce the use of EBT?
It is just simply because of its great associated risks
Please do not vent your anger on Jws because you hate them, but rather see them as people who want the best treatment for their selves and as people who do not like to gamble with their lives. The risk is just too high even with a screened blood
Apart from seeking the best alternatives they strictly adhere to the bible injunction to abstain from blood.
I do not expect you to change your views just all of a sudden. But remember patients have the right to choose what treatments is best for them

Peace out

headTO:
so you are a braindirty sensible. Learn not to talk like a slowpoke when u have problem with people's belief. Can you show me where in the scripture we were commanded to take blood as a form of treatment?

Where in the scripture were you instructed to use a mobile phone? Wisdom is profitable to direct.

[quote author=lanreonplanet post=85591822][/quote]Bro, I am talking about the eighties here. If you have come of age in 88/89, and had been a deeper life member then, especially in villages, you will know what I mean. The incident happened in Fiditi town. Mi o fe soro ju, tori oruko. Even those times, when teenagers join deeper life, they declare they won't have anything to do with their parents again, unless they become "born again" too. People burn their electronic gadgets too those times cos they said its an instrument of the devil.

Hefy4real:
I withdraw my statement and apologize publicly for referring to you as a quack. Silly of me.
But please reason with me on this: why would there ever be a need to reduce the use of EBT?
It is just simply because of its great associated risks
Please do not vent your anger on Jws because you hate them, but rather see them as people who want the best treatment for their selves and as people who do not like to gamble with their lives. The risk is just too high even with a screened blood
Apart from seeking the best alternatives they strictly adhere to the bible injunction to abstain from blood.
I do not expect you to change your views just all of a sudden. But remember patients have the right to choose what treatments is best for them

Peace out

Why would there ever be need to ever do EBT? So anyone who says your no blood transfusion policy is evil hates jws? Lol. It's called criticism.

You see how illiterates lie to you people. The need for EBT has reduced according to your source

But you did not say the part where your study focused on healthy newborns with no absolute indication for EBT.

Newborns were normal birth weight, term babies and healthy. So jws who have sick babies low birth weight and preterm babies should subscribe to treatment for healthy term babies?

You are an evil human being with no regard for human life. Baby killer.


You have even failed to see and acknowledge the shortfalls of your study which makes you a psychopath. Evil human being.

Hefy4real:
Boy oh boy! Now let’s go real life. Well i quite agree with you that it does not obviate the need for EBT because you are in a developing country like NIgeria. Say this in other country and get yourself into trouble. I’ll give you another study-real life oo carried out here in NIgeria. Many hospitals and doctors who are now exposed in Nigeria now agree that EBT is never the last resort

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3761982/

EBT is the last resort because babies who had immunoglobulin and phototherapy had it.
Healthy term babies o. Liar still lying. Baby killer

Hefy4real:
I withdraw my statement and apologize publicly for referring to you as a quack. Silly of me.
But please reason with me on this: why would there ever be a need to reduce the use of EBT?
It is just simply because of its great associated risks
Please do not vent your anger on Jws because you hate them, but rather see them as people who want the best treatment for their selves and as people who do not like to gamble with their lives. The risk is just too high even with a screened blood
Apart from seeking the best alternatives they strictly adhere to the bible injunction to abstain from blood.
I do not expect you to change your views just all of a sudden. But remember patients have the right to choose what treatments is best for them

Peace out

What risk is too high? What about people who survive it? I had EBT when I was a newborn. I survived. So many babies had EBT and Still Survived cos it was the only option available after they had tried others. Don't people die of from road traffic accidents? But we are still using cars and roads right?
Everything in this life has it's own risks.
When benefits outweigh the risks involved in a procedure doctors use it.

Use immunoglobulin and phototherapy for very sick babies with neonatal jaundice and look for outcome.
I am waiting for the study.

You know watchtower organisation loves lying to it's gullible followers right?
They never tell you about cases that have survived once they get blood transfusion only the bad ones. It's called propaganda.


We are humans when there are constant negative repetition about a particular thing we tend to believe that thing is bad and don't consider that there is also a positive side to this thing.

It's the way propaganda works.

You called me a quack when you are the real quack here. You directed me to a study which talked about only healthy babies receiving a treatment even amongst these healthy babies some had the EBT that they were even avoiding to do in the first place and when I pointed it out you quickly avoided looking at my statement and said it reduced the need for EBT.

Even when I pointed out that nothing obviates the need for EBT you kept quiet and still continued your it reduces the need for EBT.

My question is didn't some babies end up getting EBT despite the immunoglobulin and phototherapy which worked for others?

If you are a doctor you are a toxic one and a potential baby killer.



They tell you blood transfusion is bad God hates it, it's better to die than accept one, you will be a martyr if you or your child dies rejecting blood transfusion. You will see yourself in paradise earth in the imaginary real life.


Once you die you have died o.

Hairyrapunzel:
What risk is too high? What about people who survive it? I had EBT when I was a newborn. I survived. So many babies had EBT and Still Survived cos it was the only option available after they had tried others. Don't people die of from road traffic accidents? But we are still using cars and roads right?
Everything in this life has it's own risks.
When benefits outweigh the risks involved in a procedure doctors use it.

Use immunoglobulin and phototherapy for very sick babies with neonatal jaundice and look for outcome.
I am waiting for the study.

You know watchtower organisation loves lying to it's gullible followers right?
They never tell you about cases that have survived once they get blood transfusion only the bad ones. It's called propaganda.


We are humans when there are constant negative repetition about a particular thing we tend to believe that thing is bad and don't consider that there is also a positive side to this thing.

It's the way propaganda works.

You called me a quack when you are the real quack here. You directed me to a study which talked about only healthy babies receiving a treatment even amongst these healthy babies some had the EBT that they were even avoiding to do in the first place and when I pointed it out you quickly avoided looking at my statement and said it reduced the need for EBT.

Even when I pointed out that nothing obviates the need for EBT you kept quiet and still continued your it reduces the need for EBT.

My question is didn't some babies end up getting EBT despite the immunoglobulin and phototherapy which worked for others?

If you are a doctor you are a toxic one and a potential baby killer.



They tell you blood transfusion is bad God hates it, it's better to die than accept one, you will be a martyr if you or your child dies rejecting blood transfusion. You will see yourself in paradise earth in the imaginary real life.


Once you die you have died o.

Let’s end it. I’ve found out that people become scared of what they do not understand. If you say there’s no alternative then to you there’s none. At least you are not the only doctor in Nigeria.
A sincere person pmed me and I explained our belief and the alternative for the severe jaundice with references and backing carried out here in Nigeria.
The news outlet was biased in its report. It never gave the complete story. So i can understand if many find it ridiculous that we do not accept blood. Be informed fellow. This is not the first and it won’t be the last. Your view or opinion will never stop Jws from accepting the best alternatives available

At least you cannot be greater than other medical doctors who treats even new borns with severe jaundice with alternatives.

Bottom line is be informed and never feel bloodless surgeries or alternatives can never be as effective as EBT.
You know I still laugh whenever i go through your comments when you say EBT is the last resort...
My friend go and learn and if possible ask sincere questions for things you do not understand. If you like keep ranting and if need be sue the religious community of jws

Hairyrapunzel:
EBT is the last resort because babies who had immunoglobulin and phototherapy had it.
Healthy term babies o. Liar still lying. Baby killer

If you are still in pain and cannot understand while others won’t think the same way you think even when medical experts support their views, you know what to do.
If I envisage this rant and hatred would be coming from you. I would have never quoted or replied you.
You know you don’t have to respond to every dog that barks...
It won’t hurt if you researched bloodless surgeries and how effective it is to EBT.
At least you might swallow your pride if you discover it yourself

Hefy4real:
If you are still in pain and cannot understand while others won’t think the same way you think even when medical experts support their views, you know what to do.
If I envisage this rant and hatred would be coming from you. I would have never quoted or replied you.
You know you don’t have to respond to every dog that barks...
It won’t hurt if you researched bloodless surgeries and how effective it is to EBT.
At least you might swallow your pride if you discover it yourself

Last last some babies will always need EBT whether you like it or not.

My own is last last not all babies will need only immunoglobulin and phototherapy. Some must get EBT to survive.

You guys will keep killing yourselves and your babies because of the blood transfusion ban by your leaders.

Baby killer. Lol

In your bloodless surgery when it fails last resort is to get blood transfusion. Lol

Quack and killer doctor. No wonder illiterates rule you guys

Hefy4real:
Let’s end it. I’ve found out that people become scared of what they do not understand. If you say there’s no alternative then to you there’s none. At least you are not the only doctor in Nigeria.
A sincere person pmed me and I explained our belief and the alternative for the severe jaundice with references and backing carried out here in Nigeria.
The news outlet was biased in its report. It never gave the complete story. So i can understand if many find it ridiculous that we do not accept blood. Be informed fellow. This is not the first and it won’t be the last. Your view or opinion will never stop Jws from accepting the best alternatives available

At least you cannot be greater than other medical doctors who treats even new borns with severe jaundice with alternatives.

Bottom line is be informed and never feel bloodless surgeries or alternatives can never be as effective as EBT.
You know I still laugh whenever i go through your comments when you say EBT is the last resort...
My friend go and learn and if possible ask sincere questions for things you do not understand. If you like keep ranting and if need be sue the religious community of jws

You see your lies. Jws always lying to make themselves look good.

Did I ever say alternatives can never be as effective as EBT. Na wa o

EBT is last resort when immunoglobulin and phototherapy fails.

Explain why some babies who received immunoglobulin and phototherapy still had EBT? Quack and baby killer.

EBT is the last resort deal with it. You guys will keep committing suicide and killing your babies till armageddon comes which will never come or rather when your gb decides to say you can now accept blood transfusion just the way they now allow you guys take fractions like immunoglobulins. Lol

Hefy4real:
Let’s end it. I’ve found out that people become scared of what they do not understand. If you say there’s no alternative then to you there’s none. At least you are not the only doctor in Nigeria.
A sincere person pmed me and I explained our belief and the alternative for the severe jaundice with references and backing carried out here in Nigeria.
The news outlet was biased in its report. It never gave the complete story. So i can understand if many find it ridiculous that we do not accept blood. Be informed fellow. This is not the first and it won’t be the last. Your view or opinion will never stop Jws from accepting the best alternatives available

At least you cannot be greater than other medical doctors who treats even new borns with severe jaundice with alternatives.

Bottom line is be informed and never feel bloodless surgeries or alternatives can never be as effective as EBT.
You know I still laugh whenever i go through your comments when you say EBT is the last resort...
My friend go and learn and if possible ask sincere questions for things you do not understand. If you like keep ranting and if need be sue the religious community of jws

Hope you told the person that research has not been done on patients who meet absolute criteria to have EBT?
Hope you also told the person that some babies who had the bloodless medicine still had EBT
Hope you also told the person that research has not been conducted on low birth weight preterms?


Because you people are fond of lying about your bloodless medicine making it look like because it worked for healthy set of humans it work for everyone including very sick humans.

ucham:
Typical

I asked you a direct question and here you are deflecting it, trying to question my motive. It's a pity. I even told you to go research and get back to me. Still you are directing me to your website. It's a shame.
You keep trying to mislead people that I'm asking about drugs. Bro, I asked you about Blood Fractions which your organization permits. It's obvious you don't know what it is your organization policy is or you are dishonestly feigning ignorance.

My question stands : if the sciptural ground for not accepting blood transfusion ; whole blood or major components is Acts 15:29, then what is the scriptural ground for accepting blood fractions derived from stored blood?

The whole Nairaland is watching this conversation. I have kept my words civil and clean. Any sincere jw should critically think about this question and provide an answer.



Please remember to back your response up with scripture. After all you base your beliefs on scripture as you have claimed. You claim the answer will be too long, that's not only ridiculous but an insult to people's intelligence. Jw's quoted scriptures to support their claim that the Bible condemns transfusion. Now I'm asking that you do the same honorable thing to show everyone by quoting a scripture that supports accepting blood fractions gotten from stored blood.

We are waiting for your response...

the best reply u would ever get from a witness on platforms like this concerning our belief is what have given you. And what I said still stand if you or ANYBODY is interested in knowing more about the witnesses stand about blood or blood transfusion or the drugs that can be used instead of transfusing blood, visit jw.org.....if you are really hungry for the truth without exterior motives why will u find it hard to visit the website. During unnecessary sympathy by claiming no one want to answer you won't change what I say....me giving you a reply sef am taking it too far. Jehovah's witnesses try their possible best to follow the Bible principle that says there is time to speak, and time to keep quiet...witnesses worldwide are taught how to distinguish those really yearning for the truth and those who just want to argue and claim what is not...so instead of wasting precious time answering those who don't really care about the answer, we prefer spending it with the ones wanting to really listen. So sir, with the knowledge that the "whole nairalanders are watching" I engage you, just like how Jehovah's witnesses worldwide invite people they meet and know they have access to the internet, to visit the website jw.org where you find thought provoking answers about life and many more....bro, you are learned it wouldn't be hard to navigate the site cos it is very easy....u could even access it with your own language has the website have over 600 languages including sign language. If you are not satisfied with this, then am sorry I or any other witnesses can't help you more than this.... probably when u meet a witness in your area and book an appointment with them, they will gladly answer your question...

ucham:
Oh oh oh. I want to weep for you my brother.

I don't know how to get through to you or should I write in pidgin for you?

I said blood fractions not drugs.

It's obvious you don't even know what blood fractions that your organization permits mean or involve.

Please go and research the topic and get back to me.

Its clear YOU just like many jws know nothing about the doctrines and policies of your organization except what you studied in the books you studied before baptism. Go online and do research about your organization before its too late. You owe it to yourself to see the true history of your organization from your own old publications.

Hope you know you can't get access to watchtower older than 1950 on your watchtower library? That should make you think critically. Ask yourself why should an organization that has produced billions of publications over the years be hiding publications older than 1950?

u do research on my organization in another website not partaining to my org and u expect to find the truth about my org Who does research like that? You can't just read a random article about the witnesses belief and assume you know everything about the witnesses even more than the witnesses.....some people believe witnesses don't pray and they put up articles concerning this... imagine an ignorant person like u stumbling across such article and then believing you know everything about athe witnesses? So sir whatever you av read concerning blood fraction and what witness take and what Dy don't is rubbish...if you want to know about the witnesses view about blood visit jw.org the real original website of the witnesses

atoleybaba:
u do research on my organization in another website not partaining to my org and u expect to find the truth about my org Who does research like that? You can't just read a random article about the witnesses belief and assume you know everything about the witnesses even more than the witnesses.....some people believe witnesses don't pray and they put up articles concerning this... imagine an ignorant person like u stumbling across such article and then believing you know everything about athe witnesses? So sir whatever you av read concerning blood fraction and what witness take and what Dy don't is rubbish...if you want to know about the witnesses view about blood visit jw.org the real original website of the witnesses

After shouting bible is the only the you follow. To see your manmade view about blood and blood fractions/components you direct them to your website. Lol

To say whole blood and major fractions/components of blood is bad you quote bible even if bible didn't mention it o.

To say why you accept minor fractions/components of that same blood you quote secular sources as your divine backing.

Jw wayo religion. Lol.

You that believes only what your leaders tell you is calling someone ignorant. Lol

Have your leaders ever mentioned in their articles that people survived without having adverse effects from the blood transfusion they got? No

They only talk about people dying or having adverse effects from blood transfusion alone.

You see why your leaders are bias and ignorant?

The best people to get advice on blood, it's components/fractions and alternatives then indications for their use are healthcare professionals.

Not ignorant illiterates who fail to tell their followers that they die from refusing blood transfusion all in the name of religion.

Be saying babies are martyrs and people are martyrs when they commit suicide.

Jim Jones said his followers were martyrs they drank cyanide because he to them to drink it and also said they were dying for their beliefs.

You people will wait for armageddon and nothing will happen. You will end up dying just like your founding fathers died waiting for armageddon.

atoleybaba:
toh, suit yourself with the name calling, still doesn't make a difference in stopping Jehovah's witnesses in following God's commandments concerning blood whether the world does it or not....

The world follow God's command to not eat blood. Jehovah's Witnesses follow the WT command to not accept blood transfusion. There is a big difference.

DavidEsq:
We can come to the safe conclusion that she didn't provide a scriptural backing for her opinion, neither did u. What does the Bible say about use of blood? Have u taken note of this scripture at Leviticus 17:10: "If any man of the house of Israel or any foreigner who is residing in your midst EATS any sort blood, I will certainly set my face against the one who is eating the blood, and I will cut him off from among his people".
God knew that such time when the use of blood transfusion would come, hence in Acts 15:20 says: "but to write to them to abstain from from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from what is strangled, and from blood". At verse 29 of Acts 15, it says: "to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. IF YOU KEEP THESE THINGS, YOU WILL PROSPER. GOOD HEALTH TO YOU"
Have u come across these scriptures?
CC Olajumoke11

When last did you see people eating blood? Do you see them eating blood in the hospital?

Masking:
That wasn't really Paul. It was d GB.

You sound read. You must be following up on adjustments made on the issues of blood transfusion.

Yes abstain from whole blood, abstain from components.

Now witnesses are not zombies. Like Boreans in the book of Thessolonians, they read the bible thoroughly and build their individual consciences.

Now some of these witnesses argue that certain fractions of blood, after some filtration/seperation can no longer be considered blood, and science agrees. Afterall, these fractions are present in some drugs, some health processes like dialysis, neo-natal feeding etc

These arguments seem sound, and the GB agrees that if your conscience allows you, by all means, suit yourself. So some witness go for fractions, others insist that blood is blood and would not accept fractions of even their own blood.

When people who don't know call JWs a cult. I just laugh. The bible is the common manual for every witness as should be. In cases where the bible does not give a clear command, prayerfully follow your conscience.

Each witness is guided by their own personal convinctions. That is hardly a feature of a cult

Actually! JWs are zombies and they follow whatever is written in those publications without a mind of their own. You made it appear and sound as if JWs reaches these conclusions themselves... But in reality, those ideas are implanted in the minds of JWs and made to appear like they reach those conclusions themselves.

And no, JWs are no guided by their personal convictions but by the policies, edicts of their ruling authority called the governing body.

And deep down your heart, you know the picture you presented above there is so blatantly false.

rottennaija:
When last did you see people eating blood? Do you see them eating blood in the hospital?

I thought I saw u the oda day chewing fried one

DavidEsq:
I thought I saw u the oda day chewing fried one

This one that says his jehovah will be angry when his wife does abortion yet the same jehovah will be happy if same child when born dies because his parents refused him getting blood transfusion. Lol.

The jehovah of jws just loves killing people.

Hefy4real:
Not needed. Forums like this is never the best way to teach the truth. No matter how reasonable you sound, you’ll only be speaking into the air. @Deandean gave a very reasonable answer but they’ll all avoid it like a plague

How can you teach the truth when you don't have it?

ableguy:
You are very correct my brother, one is even exposed empty apostates and those who plainly hate and mock jws

When your hypocrisy is called out, when you are exposed for your inhumane attitude towards your fellow humans, when your deceit is exposed, the exposer becomes apostate.

DNSPro:
not when the belief makes no sense...

Na so one pastor dey say make him members no take drugs but some people that went to his house said if you the the nutritious drinks and food in his fridge, u go bow...

The followers do not even know if their leaders had done blood transfusions in secret to save their own children. Will they tell them?

That's how the church denomination that banned the used of tv then...some of their leaders had TVs in their houses.

That's why it's better to understand the Bible and have a personal relationship with God for yourself instead of gullibly following unfounded and manmade doctrines.

DavidEsq:
I thought I saw u the oda day chewing fried one

Hahahahaha... Oh, it was you that caught in the bathroom. I had to... Was really hungry

Ifakiland:
The main problem with this country is people forming their beliefs on others, thinking theirs is the best. Now you've subjected the baby to a life of neglect and hate, cos now people dat are supposed to show it love will show it hatred cos of the blood transfusion, it will be treated as an outcast.
For the people saying the right thing was done, I hope you can adopt the child when her parents finally rejects her... Hypos.

So do you think it would have been best to let the baby die to avoid hatred from the parents?

If it's your baby and the doctors tell you that there is a chance of survival with blood transfusion, would you rather watch the baby die? Is that actually what the JW doctrine stands for? The same doctrine that has been reversed.

Barristter07:
You know the funniest thing about this whole brouhaha is that 80% of those speaking against the Witnesses actually believed that when someone dies they go to heaven, Isn't it ironic that if a person dies as a baby or kid . Their heaven is automatic according to their belief , Yet they don't want to reject transfusion and allow the baby go to heaven and be saved, Rather for the baby to grow and become a Potential Hellfire Candidate ?

Na true o
maybe they don't even belief dead people go to heaven anymore . Isn't it better to save them as child rather than they growing up and going to Hellfire ?

ImaIma1:
So do you think it would have been best to let the baby die to avoid hatred from the parents?

If it's your baby and the doctors tell you that there is a chance of survival with blood transfusion, would you rather watch the baby die? Is that actually what the JW doctrine stands for? The same doctrine that has been reversed.

Do you believe when a baby dies, they have no sin and would automatically go to heaven ?