macof:


More rants of idiocy.

Learn to make sense in as few words as possible

1. A historian is not a mere story teller. A historian gathers information, analyses and interprets them to reach a conclusion on their authenticity and signifance

2. The Bible does not mention the Yoruba people... That is what I said . Clearly you are too dumb and I should have used an extra sentence to explain that the people not the name was meant... Should I have meant the name "Yoruba" it would have been clear enough by use of quote marks
I still wait for what parts of the Bible Yoruba people are mentioned and with what names

3. Countless scholars (yes, so many I value it as countless) have stated the Bible is not a proper historical source and only take stories from it seriously when confirmed by better measures to gain historical knowledge like archaeology, art history, palaeography and general measures of source criticism
Scholars like William Dever, Thomas Thompson, Lupovitch Howard, Adele Berlin etc

P. S you see how few my words are? Try that and stop ranting

Alright, thanks.

macof:




So in summary :
Odùduwà came from Ile-ife in Edom(modern day Jordan) to Ilé-Ifè in Nigeria and the Edomites migrated to Edo (modern day Nigeria)
So when the Edo say Oduduwa came from Edo, they are not so wrong because they actually mean he came from their former home in Edom



How can't you see the bullshit in this? Are you really that insane?

Do you not think of the implications of this?
1. Edo originate from present day Jordan
2. There is/was an "Ilé-Ifè" in Jordan

How do you bring this into consistency with reality?

Let me bring in some Edo people here, make them see wetin dey happen
Osagyefo98, davidnazee, gregyboy, Efesogie,

thanks for inviting people more intelligent than yourself to the discourse.

absoluteSuccess:


Alright, thanks.



thanks for inviting people more intelligent than yourself to the discourse.

LOL. A person who is not very sane like yourself would not be able to identify intelligence so nice try

macof:


LOL. A person who is not very sane like yourself would not be able to identify intelligence so nice try

Alright bro.

@Geosegun,

I have come to realize the voice of man is indeed the voice of God as our elders used to say.

I should be able to write a book about the Ela stuff sometimes in the future, and I think the future start right now: I woke up last thursday with an idea of what one can do with all the stuffs I've posted here, and I just felt a title dropped from our last discussion, and that's "God Speaks Yoruba".

I dedicate the title to you brov, for tossing my initiative in that direction. I might be boasting on what I will do soon, but my posts here are already in the past and can be harvested for a petit journal, it should make a good read, thanks to all my friends on here for making it possible.

keep being great bro, its contagious.

God bless our hustles.

macof:




So in summary :
Odùduwà came from Ile-ife in Edom(modern day Jordan) to Ilé-Ifè in Nigeria and the Edomites migrated to Edo (modern day Nigeria)
So when the Edo say Oduduwa came from Edo, they are not so wrong because they actually mean he came from their former home in Edom



How can't you see the bullshit in this? Are you really that insane?

Do you not think of the implications of this?
1. Edo originate from present day Jordan
2. There is/was an "Ilé-Ifè" in Jordan

How do you bring this into consistency with reality?

Let me bring in some Edo people here, make them see wetin dey happen
Osagyefo98, davidnazee, gregyboy, Efesogie,

Leave the yorubas they are trying to fit in ,into history they had already lost, the new history of present they arr knoen as fulani slaves, the former they were know as edo slaves

If nigeria divides today yorubas will be known for one thing hausa ass lickers( hausa slaves)

absoluteSuccess:


Alright, thanks.



thanks for inviting people more intelligent than yourself to the discourse.

Hmm, in the past the yorubas had no history ,in the present they are giving the power to but they rather give it to the hausas ,even the igbos are currently making history for themselves
Biafra#

What do we have of the yorubas other than rewriting history and licking the ass of the hausas
I spit....

Obalufon:
No need to invite your friends here ...

Lol

gregyboy:



Hmm, in the past the yorubas had no history ,in the present they are giving the power to but they rather give it to the hausas ,even the igbos are currently making history for themselves
Biafra#

What do we have of the yorubas other than rewriting history and licking the ass of the hausas
I spit....

Hmm, this is quite interesting. Rewriting history is drawing from the historical resources at your disposal to shape the future.

Fools had a crushing hold of the present only to damage the future, but the wise have the future play to their hands in seemingly careless aloofness with the present.

Power will fade out, authority will last forever. Rather be a man of authority and power will always need you to exist.

The Yoruba are people in authority, not necessarily the people in power.

"Man is born free but everywhere in chains, one thinks himself the master but is the slave of all."
Roseau.

i knew long ago that macof is not yoruba man useless impostor with his graypig friend they will spoil this forum with their vile mind ..

Bantu man macof you've invited your grayboy here finally . that is why i don't talk with bantus ..we are here to learn not trash talking

Obalufon:
i knew long ago that macof is not yoruba man useless impostor with his graypig friend they will spoil this forum with their vile mind ..

lmao. You brought it on your self by involving Edo people in your trashy delusions of middle eastern origin
And frankly speaking, the guy in question as much a nuisance as he can be is sane, you lot on the other hand require medical attention

macof:
lmao. You brought it on your self by involving Edo people in your trashy delusions of middle eastern origin
And frankly speaking, the guy in question as much a nuisance as he can be is sane, you lot on the other hand require medical attention

I believe the middle East origin is your nightmare. It's a thrash that has got you engaged and enraged at all times.

Your posts are always impulsive reactions drawn from this premises, but you often mistake then as counter claims.

I have my proof of this in your last posts.

absoluteSuccess:


I believe the middle East origin is your nightmare. It's a thrash that has got you engaged and enraged at all times.

Your posts are always impulsive reactions drawn from this premises, but you often mistake then as counter claims.

I have my proof of this in your last posts.

OK. More irrelevant nonsense

macof:


OK. More irrelevant nonsense

Call it any name, the nonsense trace back to you guy.

You are impulsive and your comments are reactions, not facts.

Each of your post proof this.

absoluteSuccess:


Call it any name, the nonsense trace back to you guy.

You are impulsive and your comments are reactions, not facts.

Each of your post proof this.

I have nothing to do with whatever nonsense you represent

And I cannot be teaching you at your age that facts can exist in reactions. If you have a specific problem with my post state it and stop posting irrelevant nonsense just to react to my post
I wonder who the real impulsive one is here

absoluteSuccess:


I earlier took metaphysical suggestion on Ile Ife as Nineveh, but now I know better through research, bro. Ile Ife is in the land of Edom in Nabatean district, hence the claim that the Yoruba originated in Ile Ife was an ancient fact. the harmony was equally struct on my hometown claim that Ado is the melting point of Edo and Ife tradition. On this I wonder how two far-flung places could influence another community at the same time.

Now it becomes clear: there was an Ife where the Yoruba ancestors came from, which was a district of Edom, and was then under the empire of Israel. The original Ife was a departure point for the emigrants, the adoption of this name as the landing place of the Yoruba ancestors laid the foundation for the continual strife for seniority between the two houses as you have it today.

The original Ife was in a state of Edom, as such, the house of Edom will always claim to have foster Ile Ife, as it was in a foggy past lost to the Yoruba, hence the claim that Oduduwa came from Edo. This rival claim is derived from the fact that indeed, Oduduwa came from the district of Edom to found Ile Ife, in the company of the same folks, (such as edomites too) in a lost tradition we are trying to re-enact now.

Is there a tradition alluding to this? Edom is known as mount Seir, that's right. Albeit, that's anglicize rendition of Seri, from whence the Awori have their variant, Iseri: the earlier claim of Iseri being Israel holds, but the same word serves this two cognate masters as "the melting point of Ife-Edo tradition" so to say.

the ancient habour was the root for the name Ile Ife, but the state was known as Seir. the Yoruba tradition is valid and accurate on the path we are towing: facts does not expose itself so obvious, hence it would never have been an issue for discussion but a common knowledge. Albeit, l'owe l'owe laa lulu agidigbo, ologbon nii jo, omoran nii modie.

This is quite intriguing but the Edos isn't the same as you posited as Edomite. Interestingly, Ado,Edo,Ido,Medo etc has no link lexicologically, with Igodomigodo because, Yoruba language is quite exclusively different from the history of ancients Igodomigodo. Besides, Yoruba history begun in Oru ,which is known in Semitic history as Or/Oor through the pioneer ancestor known as Ebora(Abora), which is known in Semitic world as Ebram(Abram),through written ideograms.

Therefore, it important to know the implication of posting certain information here because of using English historical perspective isn't actually the best for the Hebrews and Yorubas, since we know that certain historical fact has been null through newer information. So, using 12th century invasion of Igodomigodo by Yoruba mercenaries led by Oranmiyan ,doesn't mean, Yoruba are originally related to Igodomigodo,which Urhobo, Ika, Afemai, etc, have their own historical account . In fact, the ancients Yoruba Kings facial and dress code are alien to West Africa, which I have posted on this platform, several times.

Yes, the Bible mentioned Yoruba names and words in classic Hebrew. It is only ignornant and the ranting one like you that will naturally throw away glaring facts from the face of the earth.

Sometimes, I wonder if someone like you can actually learn anything simply because you're not knowledgeable on it . Instead, for you to ask right question, which can be meaningful to intellectual juxtaposition. No! Negative words are churn out of bitterness.

macof:
lmao. You brought it on your self by involving Edo people in your trashy delusions of middle eastern origin
And frankly speaking, the guy in question as much a nuisance as he can be is sane, you lot on the other hand require medical attention

macof are you ibo or edo

Obalufon:

macof are you ibo or edo

. Lol

Olu317:
. Lol

Macof is definitely not yoruba he would be considered a brother if here were edo but if his ibo i don't dine with bantus

kayfra:
I hate the reverse engineering of Yoruba culture to fit some judeo-christian narrative. It is downright shameful

Lol, I just smh

Obalufon:

macof are you ibo or edo

When you deranged fellows have nothing else to say you start questioning the pedigree and identity of someone who is far far far more Yoruba than all of you put together.
Lets get this straight, if anyone's Yorubaness is to be questioned it is you. You don't even know who you are or where you come from
Your utter ignorance of the simplest Yoruba facts and deep Hebrew/Arab worship is unlike a Yoruba person

You all have only one thing to do and that is :
Provide evidence for your claims

Stick to that and stop asking foolish questions

Let me quickly add here, to expose further that the real ancestors of yoruba were migrants,which made it compelling for the effort of a panel led by Abidemi Babalola and Olarenwaju Lasis for this great fit on conservation of 14th century Yoruba Artefacts and other related excavations. Thus, a whooping 400,000$ has been granted to these men and the authors: Gerard Chouin, Adisa Ogunfolakan and Geoffroy Saulieu of the topreserve the Yoruba enclave over the discoveries, by some notable and hard working archeologists, and resechers who are bent on knowing the identity of Ancient Yorubas through excavation and preservation of Artefacts found in Ileife and environs.

Therefore, the ignorants who ought to ask right question , will not do so on this thread, instead, provision of scholarly proof to counter the research work being done by us that has more glaring information that has baffled the lighter skin Caucasians or Europeans,which made them keep investigating Yoruba history. And facts keep emerging that the owner and teachers language which is Yoruba language's foundational speakers are migrants.

Obalufon:
Macof is definitely not yoruba he would be considered a brother if here were edo but if his ibo i don't dine with bantus

As far as I am concerned, he seems to be one of the fewest absorbed or assimilated descendant of some Yoruba ancestors who were assimilated into Yoruba fold. Perhaps,this is the reason, he has never posted his oriki( panegyric) for once,despite the fact he claims to be an Isese man with boastfulness or he is just a myopic person. I sincerely intend he posts his oriki and see where he is from Ekiti to link him up with other Yorubas.

Olu317:
Let me quickly add here, to expose further that the real ancestors of yoruba were migrants,which made it compelling for the effort of a panel led by Abidemi Babalola and Olarenwaju Lasis for this great fit on conservation of 14th century Yoruba Artefacts and other related excavations. Thus, a whooping 400,000$ has been granted to these men and the authors: Gerard Chouin, Adisa Ogunfolakan and Geoffroy Saulieu of the topreserve the Yoruba enclave over the discoveries, by some notable and hard working archeologists, and resechers who are bent on knowing the identity of Ancient Yorubas through excavation and preservation of Artefacts found in Ileife and environs.

Therefore, the ignorants who ought to ask right question , will not do so on this thread, instead, provision of scholarly proof to counter the research work being done by us that has more glaring information that has baffled the lighter skin Caucasians or Europeans,which made them keep investigating Yoruba history. And facts keep emerging that the owner and teachers language which is Yoruba language's foundational speakers are migrants.

"Real ancestors of the Yoruba were migrants"
We've heard that from you lot for decades.

Proof of this migration is still in limbo and nowhere to be seen

Its really not that hard to know who migrated to Yorubaland recently (meaning in the last one or two centuries) and who is indigenous Yoruba. It's only on nairaland that's it's easy to pretend to be Yoruba due to the anonymity provided by the forum.

Olu317:
As far as I am concerned, he seems to be one of the fewest absorbed or assimilated descendant of some Yoruba ancestors who were assimilated into Yoruba fold. Perhaps,this is the reason, he has never posted his oriki( panegyric) for once,despite the fact he claims to be an Isese man with boastfulness or he is just a myopic person. I sincerely intend he post his oriki and see where he is from Ekiti to link him up with other Yorubas.

what nonsense is this? This doesn't even make any sense

Damn

"descendants of yoruba ancestors who assimilated into the Yoruba fold"

And you know all my ancestry by me not posting my oríkì . Less information is provides more imagination
Ignorant clowns with wild imaginations

And interesting to see how despite the incoherence, the discussion has shifted to imaginations on my ancestry than the Yoruba in general
This should be interesting

macof:



"Real ancestors of the Yoruba were migrants"
We've heard that from you lot for decades.

Proof of this migration is still in limbo and nowhere to be seen

Yes, they came with their language. Read from:

Kings, Crowns, and Rights of Succession: Obalufon Arts at Ife and Other Yoruba Centers Suzanne Preston Blier ....

She says, ‘Not surprisingly, the orig- inal inhabitants of Ife do not appear to have supported this foreigner, "Odudua," in his attempts to gain control of the city.20 This foreign ruler was, however, by all accounts a strong and politically effective leader. One of his most important decisions was to establish a series of marriage alliances with the local populace. Accordingly, both he and his party mar- ried indigenous women "of the land," in order to create a new generation of Ife residents who, in Idowu's words (p. 24), "... . would be at home in both worlds . . . people who were without bitterness towards either of the opposing parties." In the course of these marriages, the new ruler fa- thered a number of children, many of whom eventually set out to found their own dynasties in other Yoruba states. On "Odudua's" death, one of his sons, Obalufon I (Og- bogbodirin), succeeded him to the throne. Obalufon I's reign appears to have been beset with problems. Unlike his father, "Odudua," he was a weak ruler'.

As far as I am concerned, he seems to be one of the fewest absorbed or assimilated descendant of some Yoruba ancestors who were assimilated into Yoruba fold

People keep saying assimilation, I have not seen any evidence of unknown assimilation, do you actually have facts about this? At most, it seems like speculation.


Anything unknown must have been introduced or merged outside of recent memory which would mean two or more centuries ago, give or take some years.

macof:


what nonsense is this? This doesn't even make any sense

Damn

"descendants of yoruba ancestors who assimilated into the Yoruba fold"

And you know all my ancestry by me not posting my oríkì . Less information is provides more imagination
Ignorant clowns with wild imaginations

And interesting to see how despite the incoherence, the discussion has shifted to imaginations on my ancestry than the Yoruba in general
This should be interesting

Show us your own oriki because many of us here have done so here .... and stop eloping. After all you claimed to know Isese more than all of us, yet I have not seen you in any Yoruba herbal group on NL

I haven't been on the Yoruba herbal group on nl, does that mean I'm not Yoruba.

Ok, let me think about joining them before they herbal me.

tpiar:


People keep saying assimilation, I have not seen any evidence of unknown assimilation, do you actually have facts about this? At most, it seems like speculation.


Anything unknown must have been introduced or merged outside of recent memory which would mean two or more centuries ago, give or take some years.

I have posted a book written by Susan Blier, who's a Professor in Harvard University. So,there is no reason to disregard the bitter truth. In fact, She is a renowned African historian. Kindly download her books on oral history of Odudua and his group so that you can understand it.


If in doubt, look up the features of Oonis and facial feature which is a broad cheek , compressed nose,that was found in Sphinx of Egypt,who happened to be found in Ore groove shrine at Ileife.Besides, history has it that odudua and entourage came as a migrant and ursuper to established a kingly lineage that's built on bloodline. This is tenable in ancient culture found in Near East which a little of it happened in Egypt but never sustained. Perhaps,Kindly share if you have the same culture found in 11th century or Bc , prior to it in Egypt. I hope you will share with us any ethnic group with the same longest serving bloodline lineage as kings or Prince kings on the throne of Ooni or renowned Yoruba kings.

Modified!