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Inteltower:
seek understanding you won't,
you only read content not context
.please just answer this question

when has God done evil ?
point to the scripture pls u are referring to..

secondly, if you are a god how will you punish ur creation that continuously disobey you ?

let's see if you can use that grey matter on ur head for once

I won't label u names.. but look at urself in the mirror and see the error that clouds ur judgement

hupernikao:
Why are you so unstable in your discussion. Below is what you said earlier which I responded to



I asked you to explain where you see such in the scripture how God uses evil. My use of words on my response is a game on you. You are the one who said God can use evil as he wills. So explain from the scriptures both in content and in context. Lol. You can't lay a claim and then swiftly change it again. Kindly put out here the explanation of your word that I quoted.

Inteltower:
don't Quote me please

study ur Bible well ..not the content but the context

this is how many Christian misinterpret the passage "judge not so thou not to be judged"
they mix chastening with condemnation

didn't our master Christ label the Pharisees names that are relative to their wicked intentions and ungodly ways.

its by love and responsibility as an ambassador of Christ I even pass this message.
i read your intention op here. as Christ does u must learn peoples motives b4 choosing whether or not to answer them or how u will deliver the message (truth)
Christ wasn't always gentle with his words especially to those that weren't seeking truth but argument..

so correct your posture when talking to such people
remember the teaching of casting ur pearls towards dogs and swine..

understand context not content.
if one behaves like a thief u call him thief
if one behaves like a fool u begin to misinterpret context

hupernikao:
You are the one am questioning, don't throw the don't question God card on me. You are the one explaining the scriptures and said God can use evil. So you should explain. God doesn't just do things. His actions are in his words.

Did God send evil to Saul as you assert? If yes, then he is must be using evil. But I told you God is all light, he has never used evil before and will never. He didn't send evil to Saul, there is no evil in him. Don't paint a seemingly unstable God with swindling character.

If God is light, he is. Don't throw God is God as an excuse to mislead that God can chose to do as he wills (including using evil). Christ showed us the father, the very essence of God in his humanity, did you see any evil trait in him? Was Christ offended, abused, persecuted etc, YES
Did he use evil to respond? NO. That is the fathers action all through the ages. He hasn't change from the days of Adam till eternity. He is all good. A good God. Who repays no evil for evil, who gave good even to the ungodly and ungrateful. In his love lies his perfection.

You need to engage yourself in more study and find out what is the source of all evil in the OT. I mean every form of appearance of evil. From Adam's sin, Cain offences, Pharaoh's actions, killing of firstborn till Malachi.

You must always know what God's action is in all these. His actions is to deliver, save, help, long-suffering, provide, support, etc. The one that uses evil from beginning till now is the destroyer, the liar, the thief, the killer. Know how to read and separate God's character. If it's not clear, then it calls for more study not assumptions.

hupernikao:
I will give you a fundamental fact which you must always use to guide you in explanations of God's character. "In God, you can't find evil. He is all good". No matter how you paint evil, evil is evil. The moment you say God uses it. Then that implies evil. You can't have light and darkness the same time. If God cannot change, then he can't have a varied character. He can't do good today and use evil tomorrow. That is unstable. Until you hold this facts as sacred you will never see the light in all those passages you mentioned above. You won't study further, since you already concluded that it's God doing as he wills, killing, destroying and maiming. But the day you start seeing God as all lights, in whom there is no darkness at all, them you will start questioning your explanation of those verses and seek proper interpretation.

It's sad today, that most churches will not give priority to proper biblical interpretation but rather frivolities of non eternal things. This is the reason many unanswered questions draw men away from true fellowship with God. For example if I ask you now based on your words above "if God can use evil or make evil happen, why will he tell us not to do evil at all"? Your response will surely be, you cannot question God, he is God not man. At most, this is a very lazy, unserious and silly response. That he will do evil and yet punish man who does evil. But praise be to God, we have seen Christ, the true definition of the father. We saw no evil in him. He showed us the father, he brought the father to us in humanity, a loving God, a gracious father. Christ words about God should be your foundation of interpretation of God's character, not Moses, Abraham, Job, Daniel etc. We see the fullness of God explained in Christ.

MamaFryo:
Why do we have to set the phrase aside. It is clearly written that evil spirit from the Lord. All your explanations would have been valid if what is written was "...and evil spirit came to torment Saul". Why must it come from the Lord? We are meant to know that He is holiness in perfection, no trace of evil in Him, so how can evil spirit come from him? Going by the common Christian sense, God is positive while devil is negative. So, why can positive come from negative? Is there negativity in positivity?

1StopRudeness:
U keep saying what I ddnt say... u are asking questions and giving urself answer....just like u said above in the bolded.....
In ur previous comment that’s how u also claimed I said God did all the plane crash and accidents....

..I was already clear... God doesn’t do evil mayb we can agree on that. I’m not painting another character of God...u keep saying that...i’ll write a whole bunch of text... then u pick a part and start to turn it upside down.
I only said humans perceive or interpret God’s actions as evil.
Please answer me the questions below
Did he wipe the earth with flood or not??
Did he visit sodom and Gomorrah with burning sulphur or not??
Did he visit the Egyptians with plagues or not??
Did he take his spirit from Saul or not causing an evil spirit to take him over?

My point is who are we to be able to understand God’s actions and motives?? We are so limited...
even Paul spoke about handing over the flesh of the sinner to the devil so that his soul can be saved...1cor 5v5....is this evil?? But when this happens we interpret it as evil...

Oluromantic:
I think a bigger question to answer is why God hardened Pharaoh's heart and led him to the destruction he prepared for him. Exodus 9:12

Oluromantic:
I think a bigger question to answer is why God hardened Pharaoh's heart and led him to the destruction he prepared for him. Exodus 9:12

Hisroyalbadmeat:
That part of the Bible is not translated correctly, evil spirit cannot come from God, The anoitnig and favor of God left Paul,he became vulnerable to the enticing of the devil

Oluromantic:
I think a bigger question to answer is why God hardened Pharaoh's heart and led him to the destruction he prepared for him. Exodus 9:12

engrchykae:
God is just,if pharoah wasn't stubborn, justice won't be done.
It is of nature that the Egyptian men should drown because they drowned Hebrew male kids who if they were alive would be the age of pharoah's captains.
If pharoah wasn't stubborn, the hebrews won't be paid for 430 years of unpaid labor.
Every debt must be settled.

MamaFryo:
Question: "Why did God send an evil spirit to torment King Saul?"

First Samuel 16:14 says, “The Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.” This is also mentioned in 1 Samuel 16:15–16, 23; 18:10; and 19:9. Why did God let an evil spirit torment Saul? In what way was the evil spirit “from” the Lord?

We all know that God is holy, I always wonder what relationship that light has with darkness. How could an embodiment of holiness have evil in possession. Please note that this case is different from that of Job where God allowed devil to take hold of him. In this very case, the evil spirit is reported to be directly from God. This seems to be that God himself has evil and holy spirit in his possession. He uses them as he wants. Something like he can choose to be holy or evil...

It is Sunday, Nairaland, Mama Fryo wants to hear your views about this question. Any logical, analytic or detail answer?

Otunba2004:
you have not still explain better here also plz don't ask questions explain those verses in the scripture where it seems we believed God used evil sprits to punished his people by disobeying him

HacheNoire:
All your beliefs are fictions.

Jesus discussing with devil?

Cartoons!

uzohrome:
Yes the evil spirit is from God. God works with the devil most times as a repercussion for offenders. You know that Jesus Christ is the head of all principality and power. God knew that all power belongs to him and make Christ to take charge over them. I often tell some persons if God did not bind or kill the devil who are you to do so. All you need do is to believe in God and born again in Christ and the devil will depart from you. Devil will always have one on one discussion with God about any situation. If God say yes go ahead then the devil will do a perfect work. Check The story of Job. Devil and God in a round table maybe with some bottle of wine and well garnished fresh fish discussing how to try or deal with Job, I mean very obedient child of God. God give the devil go ahead to try Job. Maybe they end the discussion with a toast laughing and hugging each other. But over here na to kill devil. die die die ... Haba for watin na. Even Jesus still get time to discuss with the devil and they resolve amicably without fighting each other. Jesus for bind and cast the devil immediately to end all this devil issues. For me devil is never our problems, we are the architect of our own misfortune. I think I need go bible school.

Inteltower:
you fool, be mindful of what you say about God.
if you don't have understanding stop displaying your pathetic ignorance.
He is God and if he demands Satan in his presence Satan will obey (See the book of job)
didn't he use Israelites enemies from time to time to punish them (Egypt, Rome, etc)
you fool for both evil and good things/beings he can use; Isn't he God ? (See book of revelations about the four horse men)
didn't he send the angel of death to kill every first born male in Egypt ?
didn't he send a lying spirit to an Israelite king who surrounded himself with many prophets
didn't he send the 10 plagues to Egypt
or destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah ?

you ignorant fool am asking you isn't he God ?
if you were a god in his shoes how will you punish mankind for their sinful ways ?

answer this and find the truth
do not attract God's wrath with shallow ignorance that fly out of your mouth


gosh some peoples understanding are really wack and darkened that they snare their souls for condemnation

Lord forgive me I can't stand fools that are not looking for truth but argument like the Pharisees.

kingxsamz:
I see no other fool here except you. You're the type that will believe anything your pastor tells you. Don't worry someday your senses will return.

Otunba2004:
seriously you're not a born again christian seen the way you have been attacking people from onset your altitude shows you're very arrogant if Jesus teaches people the way you do nobody will listen to him,plz change your way, calling people all sort of names haba because of what,if you can't cope with the topic then u shut your mouth you didn't help anybody here,your comment here didn't educate anybody but full of insult and intimidation,try that guy who told you,you should give him one week with your infliction, rubbish

uzohrome:
Yes the evil spirit is from God. God works with the devil most times as a repercussion for offenders. You know that Jesus Christ is the head of all principality and power. God knew that all power belongs to him and make Christ to take charge over them. I often tell some persons if God did not bind or kill the devil who are you to do so. All you need do is to believe in God and born again in Christ and the devil will depart from you. Devil will always have one on one discussion with God about any situation. If God say yes go ahead then the devil will do a perfect work. Check The story of Job. Devil and God in a round table maybe with some bottle of wine and well garnished fresh fish discussing how to try or deal with Job, I mean very obedient child of God. God give the devil go ahead to try Job. Maybe they end the discussion with a toast laughing and hugging each other. But over here na to kill devil. die die die ... Haba for watin na. Even Jesus still get time to discuss with the devil and they resolve amicably without fighting each other. Jesus for bind and cast the devil immediately to end all this devil issues. For me devil is never our problems, we are the architect of our own misfortune. I think I need go bible school.

uzohrome:
Yes the evil spirit is from God. God works with the devil most times as a repercussion for offenders. You know that Jesus Christ is the head of all principality and power. God knew that all power belongs to him and make Christ to take charge over them. I often tell some persons if God did not bind or kill the devil who are you to do so. All you need do is to believe in God and born again in Christ and the devil will depart from you. Devil will always have one on one discussion with God about any situation. If God say yes go ahead then the devil will do a perfect work. Check The story of Job. Devil and God in a round table maybe with some bottle of wine and well garnished fresh fish discussing how to try or deal with Job, I mean very obedient child of God. God give the devil go ahead to try Job. Maybe they end the discussion with a toast laughing and hugging each other. But over here na to kill devil. die die die ... Haba for watin na. Even Jesus still get time to discuss with the devil and they resolve amicably without fighting each other. Jesus for bind and cast the devil immediately to end all this devil issues. For me devil is never our problems, we are the architect of our own misfortune. I think I need go bible school.

k2money:
Why are you defending your wicked God?
If the story happens to be in Africa you people would have label that God evil.

josephogaga:
My dear we r in the era of Grace, even when Christ was a walking flesh he didn't afflict people, like what u are about to do now, study the book of Mathew 5:38..

This is y knowledge to the blacks are limited cus it will be miss use, small anointing u have now u, u are now talking like a God

JastSiryin:
You're the biggest idiot I've come across so far... If you didn't have an answer to give why didn't you just shut da hell up!?... It's your type that would never speak their mind, nor clear their doubts. End up going the grave a complete dunce that never really learned anything, neither could you exercise true faith in God because of those lingering doubts. Everyone has them, believe me. You just want to be ignorant, and somehow you think that's what faith is. Blind belief. You're clearly suffering from symptoms of fanaticism, I wish you a quick recovery bro.

hupernikao:
You are the one that haven't read me well. There is no place in my writing that say or affirm what you ar3 asking me to explain. The body of scriptures showed that there is no evil in God and does no evil from the beginning till end. So telling me to explain how God use evil is telling me to explain what is not in the scriptures. He doesn't use evil or evil spirit Sir.