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| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(op): 8:43am On Feb 18, 2020 |
Maximus69:With the number and level of false prophecy and teaching your Church has done in the past and present, its obvious that your Church has no inspiration from the Holy spirit. |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(op): 8:51am On Feb 18, 2020*. Modified: 9:19am On Feb 18, 2020 |
shadeyinka:I don't have time for that. Consider the fact that the Sun and Moon where existing before Adam and Eve Sinned. and Adam and Eve were suppose not to labour until they sinned, why was the Sun and Moon existing then? Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(op): 8:52am On Feb 18, 2020 |
shadeyinka:What do you know is the work of the Sun and the Moon besides that of giving light? |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(op): 8:56am On Feb 18, 2020 |
Maximus69:You see how you promote false doctrine? Is that the only verse you can quote or use to confirm that God would not destroy the Earth? What happened to the rule for understanding a topic or issue in the Bible which we have been given? 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Isaiah 28:10 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Nobody: 8:57am On Feb 18, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:Why did you remove the joking animations? Well Jesus taught his own followers THE SAME THING so that they don't go out there contradicting themselves before the unbelievers! John 17:20-23 So if you can't point to any organization having the same mindset on sacred matters, then you've not found the true Christians! Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3 As regards your illustration of finger's inequality, the same thing happen in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians), we are not of the same age so some are agile than others, our educational status differs so some can speak eloquently than others, our looks differs so some are naturally attractive that you'll love to speak with them, even the zeal in us differs so some spent more time in the ministry than others. But we all speak in HARMONY, so whether a beautiful, charming and attractive American JW or a black and repulsive JW from Kenyan village, it's the same thing they will tell you about our own God! That's why the fingers in your hands will always work together to achieve success despite the difference in length! ![]() |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(op): 8:58am On Feb 18, 2020 |
Maximus69:You did not even try to refute my evidence and facts. I guess those bible verses were too evident and clear for you to deny. |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Nobody: 9:01am On Feb 18, 2020 |
blueAgent:Hen nah! Is that not the reason why i suggested we join MuttleyLaff whose inspiration is DIRECTLY from the spirit? ![]() |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Nobody: 9:04am On Feb 18, 2020 |
blueAgent:YES ooooo! Just that you're excluding HEAVEN in the impending destruction as written in the verses! ![]() |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by MuttleyLaff: 9:05am On Feb 18, 2020 |
Maximus69:You like the animations, hmm?. Too much of anything is not good for the health Maximus69. Everyday isnt Christmas, at the approprite time, animations will surface again, so for now, make do without them. Peele, ndo. Maximus69:" ‘I thank you, God, that I am not like other people—cheaters, sinners, adulterers. I’m certainly not like that tax collector!" - Luke 18:11 I will re-ask you again Maximus69. Be honest with at least yourself now, does Jehovah's Witnesses 100% teach sound doctrine 365 24 7 hmm? Dont be a far-i-see Pharisee. |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(op): 9:15am On Feb 18, 2020 |
Maximus69:There is no parable or Mystery in the Bible verse I gave you. God never said the Earth and Heaven will cease to exist. Just as God destroyed the Earth during the time of Noah with flood and the Earth did not stop existing, because me and you are still living in it. So also the Earth and Heaven would not cease to exist when God destroys the wicked and the Earth with fire. 2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: Were was Sodom and Gomorrha destroyed? the answer is the Earth. |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(op): 9:21am On Feb 18, 2020 |
Maximus69:To cleanse the Universe of Sin and its effects. |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Nobody: 9:24am On Feb 18, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:Let's consider what a young Jewish carpenter of the first century said, perhaps there is something we can learn from him! He said "you can't gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, good trees produce fine fruits and bad trees produces rotten fruits, good tree don't produce rotten fruits and bad trees don't produce fine fruits" Matthew 7:16-18 This guy later became a teacher of God's word in the first century, and his followers of course made a lot of mistakes. But one thing is they're ever united in FAITH! Take for instance, he taught them that equality in Satan's world is impossible so there will always be poor ones in their midst. But shortly after his ascension to heaven, God's holy spirit came and replaced him as their new teacher and director, can you imagine that this people went ahead to initiate what their Master said is impossible? They tried to eradicate poverty in their midst by selling things of different value only to come back and share everything they got EQUALLY. Well this caused the death of a family and there they realized their blunder so they stopped! Note that God's holy spirit did not stop them from making the blunder, they unitedly supported the arrangement and when its time to punish the traitors it's this same holy spirit that killed them. So true Christianity is not about taking account of mistakes Sir, it's about faith, hope and love to stick together at all times! 1Corinthians 13:8-13 |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by MuttleyLaff: 9:31am On Feb 18, 2020 |
Maximus69:1/ What is difficult is facing answering the question nah, instead of this merry go round off tangent response, hmm? 2/ Do you see shadeyinka and blueAgent lacking faith, hope and love to stick together at all times, hmm. 3/ Have you seen/heard shadeyinka, blueAgent or others ever profess their hate for you? |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Nobody: 9:33am On Feb 18, 2020 |
blueAgent:Don't add or remove from it Sir, the Bible said the HEAVENS and the EARTH will be burned up by FIRE! Please let's leave it the way it was written! As for Noah's generation, Sodom and Gomorrah, it's the WICKED that were destroyed so that the earth has remained till today! Jesus said "Just as it happened in the day of Noah" Luke 17:26 So i strongly believe it's the same thing that's going to happen again Sir! Note verse 7 of 2Peter 3, it's clearly stated "by the same decree"! ![]() |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Nobody: 9:41am On Feb 18, 2020 |
blueAgent:Who are the ones committing the sin, the universe or humans? Genesis 6:7 Because what was written in the book is "the soul that is sinning is the one that will die" Ezekiel 18:4, 20 compare to Romans 6:23 that's where your understanding is flawed! |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Nobody: 9:55am On Feb 18, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:Jesus said my own followers will be RECOGNIZABLE by Love {John 13:34-35} and unity {John 17:14-16} that's permeating their midst. So let's know the group of true believers in order to observe what Jesus said about his group IN THEIR MIDST. For your information, all of you belong to different religious groups claiming Christians with your contradicting teaching and conflicting doctrines. Just as Jesus had warmed regarding false religions that will emerge in the last days. If you're all Christians for real, then you'll all be under the same doctrine, not different as you're doing now. Because it's an avenue to escape been fully submissive to rules making you guys workers of iniquity! Matthew 7:23 INIQUITY means LAWLESSNESS, so it's fitting because with the way and manner you guys are practicing your Christianity, there is NO LAW to bind you together as one! ![]() |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by MuttleyLaff: 10:08am On Feb 18, 2020 |
Maximus69:You dont seem to want to answer any of those earlier asked questions, so let's give you an easier question Does Jehovah's Witnesses, 100% practice, every single command taught by Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour of the world? |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Nobody: 10:17am On Feb 18, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:Jesus said By their fruit you will know them Matthew 7:15 It's only when a group is practicing what Jesus taught that God's holy spirit, the spirit of LOVE JOY PEACE PATIENCE KINDNESS GOODNESS FAITH MILDNESS SELF-CONTROL will abide with them! Jesus didn't teach us to answer you unbelievers with YES or NO, we only guide you with the scriptures to decide for yourself! Matthew 21:23-27 So suit yourself! ![]() |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by MuttleyLaff: 11:42am On Feb 18, 2020 |
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| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 11:50am On Feb 18, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:I do not have any problems with the bolded. But I don't like you merging a post involving me and another person. Address each person individually! And I don't know about redundancy of the sun and the moon. |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 12:14pm On Feb 18, 2020 |
blueAgent:Adam and Eve were put in the garden to have Dominion and to Work the land. Gen 2:4-5,15: "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, and every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground . … And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it." This above was well before the fall of man. The purpose of the Sun was to give lights during the day and the stars during the Night. What happens when God's presence is the LIGHT? Isa 65:17: "For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind." Isa 66:22: "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain." 2 Pet 3:13: "Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness." Rev 21:1: "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea." |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 12:17pm On Feb 18, 2020 |
blueAgent:I think the bible is explicit in this matter Rev 21:23: "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof." Rev 22:5: "And there shall be no night there ; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun ; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever." |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by MuttleyLaff: 12:31pm On Feb 18, 2020 |
shadeyinka:When the Bible says there's no need for the sun and moon to shine, though they still remain existing, doesn't that amount to them then being redundant ni, hmm? |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 12:53pm On Feb 18, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:What does the bible say? Rev 21:23: "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof." Rev 22:5: "And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever." Rev21:22 may suggest redundancy as in the light from the sun becomes insignificant as a means of luminance with respect to the Light of God's presence HOWEVER, In Rev22:5 show that NO light from the sun. If there is no light from the sun, it means the sun is either completely dead or totally absent. |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by MuttleyLaff: 1:13pm On Feb 18, 2020 |
shadeyinka:C'mon shadeyinka, we are both reading the same verses now. Revelation 21:23 says: the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof and Revelation 22:5 says: they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. Is it obvious from both verses that, just like a lit candle in a fluorescent lit up room, the city had no need for the sun to shine for the glory of God did light up. Just as there is no need of the light of the candle in the room scenario earlier given, so there's no need for the light of the sun, for God gives Light. How and why you insist, there is no light from the sun and that anything at all, means the sun is either completely dead or totally absent is baffling. I might concede with totally absent or withdrawn but not say completely dead. |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 4:34pm On Feb 18, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:Anyway, the point of whether the sun and moon exist or not is not critical to Faith, Love and Duty to God. One of these three things can occur 1. The sun and moon does not exist again 2. The sun exists but perform insignificant role in illumination 3. The sun is dead and therefore does not give any light |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by MuttleyLaff: 5:16pm On Feb 18, 2020 |
shadeyinka:You will sleep soundly and safely can place your bets on the sun exists but performs unappreciated or insignificant role in illumination and etcetera |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 5:19pm On Feb 18, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:When the time comes I hope we'll see each other and remind ourselves of this argument (over nothing LOL) |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(op): 8:46pm On Feb 18, 2020 |
shadeyinka:When did City start meaning Earth? |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(op): 8:47pm On Feb 18, 2020 |
shadeyinka:Its obvious you don't know what you are saying. What enables plants to grow? |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(op): 8:48pm On Feb 18, 2020 |
Maximus69:Ask your Bible or God why he choose to destroy Heaven and Earth. |
| Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(op): 8:52pm On Feb 18, 2020 |
Maximus69:And where will the wicked be burnt, i guess in your kitchen?. I was not the one that wrote this bible verses so argue with the writer why he added Earth not me. 2 Peter 3:10 Parallel Verses [⇓ See commentary ⇓] 2 Peter 3:10, NIV : "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare." 2 Peter 3:10, ESV : "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed." 2 Peter 3:10, KJV : "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." 2 Peter 3:10, NASB : "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up." 2 Peter 3:10, NLT: "But the day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve judgment." 2 Peter 3:10, CSB : "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief; on that day the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, the elements will burn and be dissolved, and the earth and the works on it will be disclosed." |
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