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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Peacefullove: 10:40am On Feb 05
I know you understand nothing.
shadeyinka:

By now, you should know that the approach of cherry picking scriptures which agree with your whims do not work.

God Himself is His Spirit!
Does God breathe in and out AIR?

Psalm 104:29,30 says animals have Spirit , just as God has spirit. You insist that word is breath, that means animals have breath just as God has breath. that Bible verse said so

But it's Interesting that verse 30 says when God sent his ruach ( spirit also breath) , Things are created. Which means the verse is reffering to Holy spirit of God as BREATH . Do you agree ?


The point here is verse 29 and 30 has the same hebrew word. It's either you admit it means Spirit or admit it means holy spirit is breath.

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Peacefullove: 10:43am On Feb 05
I know you understand nothing.
shadeyinka:

By now, you should know that the approach of cherry picking scriptures which agree with your whims do not work.

God Himself is His Spirit!
Does God breathe in and out AIR?

U mean holy spirit is the Father ? The " You " in that verse was a reference to the Father. , God of Isreal .

Psalm 104:29,30 says animals have Spirit , just as God has spirit. You insist that word is breath, that means animals have breath just as God has breath. that Bible verse said so

But it's Interesting that verse 30 says when God sent his ruach ( spirit also breath) , Things are created. Which means the verse is reffering to Holy spirit of God as BREATH . Do you agree ?


The point here is verse 29 and 30 has the same hebrew word. It's either you admit it means Spirit or admit it means holy spirit is breath.

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Peacefullove: 10:55am On Feb 05
shadeyinka:



You're back to my first post but I'll oblige you

Resurrection is the recombination of the physical being (body) with the non physical being (soul and spirit) of a personality.

Big FAT LIE
That is not ressurection , but RECOMBINATION.

Ressurection deals with bringing what is dead to life , non living to living

That's why it's called " Ressurection of THE DEAD " bringing the dead to life.


Eg.
1. Jesus's Resurrection


Jesus didn't recombine with a physical body .


2. Rev 11:10-12: "And the ones who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, and will make merry, and will send one another gifts, because these two prophets tormented those living on the earth. And after three days and a half, a spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood on their feet. And great fear fell on those seeing them. And they heard a great voice from Heaven saying to them, Come up here. And they went up to Heaven in a cloud, and their enemies watched them."


It says " Spirit of LIFE " entered them , you blind ? They are dead and brought back to LIFE . Not recombine

Wait so they recombined with physical body of flesh and blood and go to heaven ? Flesh and blood now inherit the Kingdom of God they ?





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3. Dan 12:2-3: " And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt. And those who are wise shall shine as the brightness of the sky; and those who turn many to righteousness shall shine as the stars forever and ever."


I believe you can see that the definition of resurrection is consistent with the two scriptures above

It says those who " SLEEP " . Dead were raised

Not those recombined .


Quick one: Was Lazarus of Bethany raised from the dead ( non living) state to life ( living) or he was alive in heaven and Recombined with flesh ?

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Peacefullove: 11:10am On Feb 05
blueAgent:


The word spirit in the Bible can be used to refer to 3different things.
1. A living supernatural being like God,Angels,Demons, Devil.
2.The mind,Will,zeal thoughts capacity of A person.
3. the life force or breathe.
blueAgent:


The word spirit in the Bible can be used to refer to 3different things.
1. A living supernatural being like God,Angels,Demons, Devil.
2.The mind,Will,zeal thoughts capacity of A person.
3. the life force or breathe.

Shadeyinka is not learned to understand this fact u brought up , that's why he is denying what's obvious that animals have spirit. Going by spirit meaning supplied at point 3. Whenever he makes an assertion double-check it very well, that's how he lied only humans are living souls , do you saw his bizzare definition of ressurection ? He was defining RECOMBINATION theory grin

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Peacefullove: 11:27am On Feb 05
shadeyinka:

Did God breath His breath of life into Animals too? When?

The point is they have it . Genesis 7:22
At Revelation you quoted the other time, this breath of life was called ,, Spirit of life. And you are still blindly arguing animals don't have spirit when the Bible itself refer to breath of life as Spirit of life !

And it doesn't give them afterlife. You should cover your eyes in shame already



This shows that you don't seem to know the difference between a spirit and soul

Soul cant mean soul!!?
Check these two scriptures and tell me that souls mean corpse or body?

Rev 6:9:
"And when He had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held."

Please open your eyes, don't you see " fifth seal " ?
John saw nothing but symbols here. Are you aware he also saw starts falling on Earth and , Death riding a horse in the same seals ?

it's as real as stars falling on Earth



Rev 20:4:
"And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And [I saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received [his] mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

If the soul was seen by John: in what context is it: Soul, Being, Person??

" they lived " knocks you out.
The soul that John saw here DIED , this is a person not some mythical ghost in your head . For them to have come alive, they are previously dead .

If by they lived u meant RECOMBINATION, So they reign with Jesus as humans of flesh and blood ?

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(m): 12:03pm On Feb 05
MuttleyLaff:
10000% bet your bottom dollar correct


This is guess work and pure human teaching and doctrine not Bible.

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 12:35pm On Feb 05
Peacefullove:



Shadeyinka is not learned to understand this fact u brought up , that's why he is denying what's obvious that animals have spirit. Going by spirit meaning supplied at point 3. Whenever he makes an assertion double-check it very well, that's how he lied only humans are living souls , do you saw his bizzare definition of ressurection ? He was defining RECOMBINATION theory grin

How can we be on the same page when you don't know the difference between a Soul and a Spirit

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by MuttleyLaff: 12:38pm On Feb 05
blueAgent:
This is guess work and pure human teaching and doctrine not Bible.
1/ What gets judged blueAgent?
2/ Is it the soul or the spirit?
3/ The ______ that sin, shall die. Fill in the blank blueAgent.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:44pm On Feb 05
budaatum:

There is no proof anywhere that anyone resurrects, so how do either of you differ!

And please don't tell me proof is "it is written in a book" unless you don't mean "dead" and "ressurect" in the literal sense!

And before either of you respond, read this, but note OLAADEGBU's observation!

It is good that you've observed that I differ with both narrations. cool
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Michellekabod2(f): 12:46pm On Feb 05
MuttleyLaff:
1/ What gets judged blueAgent?
2/ Is it the soul or the spirit?
3/ The ______ that sin, shall die. Fill in the blank blueAgent.
Body-flesh that decays and becomes dust
Soul-innerman/what occupies flesh
Spirit-breath of life/life giving energy that powers human
Correct me if am wrong on this

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(m): 12:53pm On Feb 05
Peacefullove
shadeyinka

I have been following the arguments between you 2.
I want to say both of you are partly right.

Man does not have a Soul but Man is a living Soul.

There is nothing like the Soul of a dead man.
Ones a person dies the Soul ceases to exist.

Its like one having nails and wood and the person decides to make a box.

when the person dismantles the box he has only 2 things left that is the nails and wood but no box.

So also when God made man, God brought our body to come in contact with his spirit which is also referred to as breathe and Man became a living Soul.
Just as the box no longer exist when it has been dismantled so aslo the soul stop existing ones the breathe leaves the body.
Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of
the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the
breath of life; and man became a living soul.


There is no life or consciousnesses in the grave, all those are pagan teachings.


Another argument I observed is on what is resurrected weather it is the physical body or spiritual body.

based on the word of God it is the physical body that is resurrected and transformed for the just, to a body that lives above death and sin.

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(m): 1:01pm On Feb 05
Michellekabod2:
Body-flesh that decays and becomes dust Soul-innerman/what occupies flesh Spirit-breath of life/life giving energy that powers human Correct me if am wrong on this
True.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(m): 1:08pm On Feb 05
MuttleyLaff:
1/ What gets judged blueAgent?
2/ Is it the soul or the spirit?
3/ The ______ that sin, shall die. Fill in the blank blueAgent.

its obvious You don't know what a soul means.

The word Soul can mean 3 different things in the bible depending on the context it is used.

The word soul in the bible can mean 3different things.
1.A living being
2.The mind, thinking, ones physce
3.. it can also mean life or breathe.

To answer your question.
A person is judge and punished, there is no division of body soul and spirit that is judge.


The Soul that sinneth shall die. can be translated to mean
The person that sinneth shall die.
or the Man that Sinneth shall die.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Peacefullove: 2:13pm On Feb 05
shadeyinka:

How can we be on the same page when you don't know the difference between a Soul and a Spirit

What is the spirit of life? Same as Breath of life ?

To expose your little reasoning
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by MuttleyLaff: 2:27pm On Feb 05
Michellekabod2:
Body-flesh that decays and becomes dust
Soul-innerman/what occupies flesh
Spirit-breath of life/life giving energy that powers human
Correct me if am wrong on this
Numbering your answers with corresponding asked questions would have made it possible to know what you've replied to Mich'

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Michellekabod2(f): 3:45pm On Feb 05
MuttleyLaff:
Numbering your answers with corresponding asked questions would have made it possible to know what you've replied to Mich'
this isn't in response to any post,wanted to clarify the meaning of those terms from a religious perspective
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by MuttleyLaff: 3:59pm On Feb 05
MuttleyLaff:
1/ What gets judged blueAgent?
2/ Is it the soul or the spirit?
3/ The ______ that sin, shall die. Fill in the blank blueAgent.

Michellekabod2:
Body-flesh that decays and becomes dust
Soul-innerman/what occupies flesh
Spirit-breath of life/life giving energy that powers human
Correct me if am wrong on this

MuttleyLaff:
Numbering your answers with corresponding asked questions would have made it possible to know what you've replied to Mich'

Michellekabod2:
this isn't in response to any post, wanted to clarify the meaning of those terms from a religious perspective
OK

Body-flesh that decays and becomes dust =>(check) ✓ 10/10
Soul-innerman/what occupies flesh =>(check) ✓ 9.25/10
Spirit-breath of life/life giving energy that powers human (check) => 9.25/10

You would have gotten the full 10/10 marks, but obviously there are more meat to add to your second and last responses

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Michellekabod2(f): 4:09pm On Feb 05
shadeyinka:

Interestingly, both the good and the evil, the righteous and the unrighteous will be ressurected.

The reason is because God had designed man to be a trinity of Body, Soul and Spirit and live as one eternally. Otherwise, if consciousness exists after death, there wouldn't be a need for another resurrection.
does this debunk the claim of death afterwards ghost approaching judgement then heaven/hell?

Or the dead are unconscious until resurrection then heaven/hell?
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Michellekabod2(f): 4:18pm On Feb 05
shadeyinka:

In other words, God is BREATH!!??
nah...what he meant was spirit/breath are synonymous.
He defines spirit as the breathe of life/life giving force.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Michellekabod2(f): 4:28pm On Feb 05
blueAgent:
Peacefullove
shadeyinka

I have been following the arguments between you 2.
I want to say both of you are partly right.

Man does not have a Soul but Man is a living Soul.

There is nothing like the Soul of a dead man.
Ones a person dies the Soul ceases to exist.

Its like one having nails and wood and the person decides to make a box.

when the person dismantles the box he has only 2 things left that is the nails and wood but no box.

So also when God made man, God brought our body to come in contact with his spirit which is also referred to as breathe and Man became a living Soul.
Just as the box no longer exist when it has been dismantled so aslo the soul stop existing ones the breathe leaves the body.
Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of
the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the
breath of life; and man became a living soul.


There is no life or consciousnesses in the grave, all those are pagan teachings.


Another argument I observed is on what is resurrected weather it is the physical body or spiritual body.

based on the word of God it is the physical body that is resurrected and transformed for the just, to a body that lives above death and sin.
so majority of Christians/churches are liars since they claim that after death a "ghost" ascends for judgement? cool

In this thread alone they are different versions of life after death ...lol


Christianity and confusion like bread and butter.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 4:44pm On Feb 05
Peacefullove:


The point is they have it . Genesis 7:22
At Revelation you quoted the other time, this breath of life was called ,, Spirit of life. And you are still blindly arguing animals don't have spirit when the Bible itself refer to breath of life as Spirit of life !

And it doesn't give them afterlife. You should cover your eyes in shame already


Please open your eyes, don't you see " fifth seal " ?
John saw nothing but symbols here. Are you aware he also saw starts falling on Earth and , Death riding a horse in the same seals ?

it's as real as stars falling on Earth


" they lived " knocks you out.
The soul that John saw here DIED , this is a person not some mythical ghost in your head . For them to have come alive, they are previously dead .

If by they lived u meant RECOMBINATION, So they reign with Jesus as humans of flesh and blood ?
Please what did John see?
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Peacefullove: 4:50pm On Feb 05
shadeyinka:

Please what did John see?

Counter the post properly and stop asking silly questions .
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Peacefullove: 4:53pm On Feb 05
Michellekabod2:
so majority of Christians/churches are liars since they claim that after death a "ghost" ascends for judgement? cool

In this thread alone they are different versions of life after death ...lol


Christianity and confusion like bread and butter.

Majority of them are bloody liars , The funniest thing about this thing is when Yeshua popularly known as Jesus was dying he said he commit his Spirit into his father's hand. You would expect that it should mean he will be in heaven immediately he dies after all his Father is in heaven and they teach that spirit is a ghost representing each person . Only for him to ressurect days later and say He has not ascend to his Father. Which begs the question ... What is the spirit that now return to God ? Definitely it wasn't any ghost of Jesus but simply means he surrendered his breath to his Father only whom can restore it.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 4:57pm On Feb 05
Did God breath His breath of life into Animals too? When?

Peacefullove:


The point is they have it . Genesis 7:22
At Revelation you quoted the other time, this breath of life was called ,, Spirit of life. And you are still blindly arguing animals don't have spirit when the Bible itself refer to breath of life as Spirit of life !

And it doesn't give them afterlife. You should cover your eyes in shame already
See how you twist the truth!?
Did I ever even accidentally say animals are given afterlife?

The question was: when did God breathe into the animals at creation?

Simple question!

Peacefullove:

Please open your eyes, don't you see " fifth seal " ?
John saw nothing but symbols here. Are you aware he also saw starts falling on Earth and , Death riding a horse in the same seals ?

it's as real as stars falling on Earth

So, if these are mere symbols, can you please give the meaning of "I saw the souls of those slain for Christ"? Rev 6:9

Similarly for "I saw the souls of those who were beheaded for Christ"? Rev 20:4


Peacefullove:

" they lived " knocks you out.
The soul that John saw here DIED , this is a person not some mythical ghost in your head . For them to have come alive, they are previously dead .

If by they lived u meant RECOMBINATION, So they reign with Jesus as humans of flesh and blood ?

The bible was clear "I saw the souls of those slain for Christ"? Rev 6:9
AND "I saw the souls of those who were beheaded for Christ"? Rev 20:4

Rev 6:9-11:
"And when He had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, Until when, Master, holy and true, do You not judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth? And white robes were given to each one of them. And it was said to them that they should rest yet for a little time, until both their fellow servants and their brothers (those about to be killed as they [were] ) should have their number made complete."

Please since you say they are mere symbols, PLEASE INTERPRET ?
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Peacefullove: 4:59pm On Feb 05
shadeyinka:

How can we be on the same page when you don't know the difference between a Soul and a Spirit

To expose your fraud further

Spirit of life and breath of life ... Are they synonymous ?
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Peacefullove: 5:03pm On Feb 05
shadeyinka:
Did God breath His breath of life into Animals too? When?




See how you twist the truth!?
Did I ever even accidentally say animals are given afterlife?

The question was: when did God breathe into the animals at creation?

Simple question!

Asking silly questions when he is exposed.
If God didn't breath, how come they have the breath of life ?
Good u didn't deny they have it.



So, if these are mere symbols, can you please give the meaning of "I saw the souls of those slain for Christ"? Rev 6:9

Similarly for "I saw the souls of those who were beheaded for Christ"? Rev 20:4


Firstly, Do you accept the fifth seal at Rev 6:9 are symbols , just as Death riding a horse is a symbol ? And stars falling on Earth ?



The bible was clear "I saw the souls of those slain for Christ"? Rev 6:9
AND "I saw the souls of those who were beheaded for Christ"? Rev 20:4

Rev 6:9-11:
"And when He had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, Until when, Master, holy and true, do You not judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth? And white robes were given to each one of them. And it was said to them that they should rest yet for a little time, until both their fellow servants and their brothers (those about to be killed as they [were] ) should have their number made complete."

Please since you say they are mere symbols, PLEASE INTERPRET ?

Rev 20:4, Why did those Souls die and come alive if they are ghosts ?
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 5:13pm On Feb 05
Peacefullove:

Big FAT LIE
That is not ressurection , but RECOMBINATION.

Ressurection deals with bringing what is dead to life , non living to living

That's why it's called " Ressurection of THE DEAD " bringing the dead to life.



Jesus didn't recombine with a physical body .



It says " Spirit of LIFE " entered them , you blind ? They are dead and brought back to LIFE . Not recombine

Wait so they recombined with physical body of flesh and blood and go to heaven ? Flesh and blood now inherit the Kingdom of God they ?





It says those who " SLEEP " . Dead were raised

Not those recombined .


Quick one: Was Lazarus of Bethany raised from the dead ( non living) state to life ( living) or he was alive in heaven and Recombined with flesh ?
What is dead? Is it the body, soul or spirit of a personality?

Sometimes I wonder if I am interacting with a toddler.

When life leaves a BODY, the BODY is termed DEAD. What happens when the life is recombined with the dead body? Is that not a resurrection? Bringing back to life the DEAD BODY!

You see how I have to break it down like I am speaking to a toddler!?

Example:
Lazarus died and his body became lifeless!
Jesus called out Lazarus?
The Life returned into Lazarus body: and he (the body of Lazarus) lived again.

"And he who had died came out, bound hand and foot with sheets, and his face was bound with a cloth. Jesus said to them, Untie him and let [him] go!"


Dictionary Definition:

Collegiate Definition
a. capitalized : the rising of Christ from the dead
b. often capitalized : the rising again to life of all the human dead before the final judgment
c: the state of one risen from the dead

Synonyms:
reanimation, rebirth, regeneration, rejuvenation, rejuvenescence, renewal, resurgence, resuscitation, revitalization, revival, revivification. Words Related to resurrection. renaissance, renascence.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/resurrection&ved=2ahUKEwi99P7O5brnAhWnD2MBHf9CAX8QFjABegQIARAI&usg=AOvVaw3qKzDVtiNwGzScceAyiFiJ
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 5:59pm On Feb 05
MuttleyLaff:
No, spirit beings do not have souls, lol.
Why do you think the devil and the fallen other celestial beings are irredeemable, hmm? They not able to be saved and/or get corrected because they lack a very important mechanism, lol.



"Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward
and the spirit of the animal descends into the earth?
"
- Ecclesiastes 3:21

The difference is, man is made in the Godhead's image and likeness but animals are not. Ecclesiastes 3:21, debates if man's spirit goes up after death, and animals' go down into earth. The point is made that both have spirits, as in meaning, the breath of God respectively in them.

God doesnt have a soul, period.

"“Here is My Servant, whom I uphold, My Chosen One, in whom My soul delights.
I will put My Spirit on Him, and He will bring justice to the nations.
"
- Isaiah 42:1

With the utmost respect, notice the distinction in Isaiah 42:1 above, that, soul has small lettercase "s" while Spirit has big lettercase "S". Assigning human qualities and physicalities to God, as in like, having hands, mouth, face, eyes, heart, soul etcetera (e.g. Jeremiah 32:41) doesnt mean God really has any of these same and direct physicalities.
In your opinion,
What is a Soul?
What is a Spirit?

It seems we are not on the same page therefore there cannot be an agreement if the fundermental is not treated!
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 6:04pm On Feb 05
blueAgent:
Peacefullove
shadeyinka

I have been following the arguments between you 2.
I want to say both of you are partly right.

Man does not have a Soul but Man is a living Soul.

There is nothing like the Soul of a dead man.
Ones a person dies the Soul ceases to exist.

Its like one having nails and wood and the person decides to make a box.

when the person dismantles the box he has only 2 things left that is the nails and wood but no box.

So also when God made man, God brought our body to come in contact with his spirit which is also referred to as breathe and Man became a living Soul.
Just as the box no longer exist when it has been dismantled so aslo the soul stop existing ones the breathe leaves the body.
Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of
the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the
breath of life; and man became a living soul.


There is no life or consciousnesses in the grave, all those are pagan teachings.


Another argument I observed is on what is resurrected weather it is the physical body or spiritual body.

based on the word of God it is the physical body that is resurrected and transformed for the just, to a body that lives above death and sin.
Do you think angels have souls?
And what is your definition of soul?
What is your definition of spirit?
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 6:05pm On Feb 05
Peacefullove:


What is the spirit of life? Same as Breath of life ?

To expose your little reasoning
Please what is your definition of a soul?
What is your definition of a spirit?
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 6:13pm On Feb 05
Michellekabod2:
does this debunk the claim of death afterwards ghost approaching judgement then heaven/hell?

Or the dead are unconscious until resurrection then heaven/hell?
I don't understand your question 1.

The dead are conscious even in dead: Just like angels are conscious even though they do not have flesh and blood, a human being is conscious even when his whole body is decayed!
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 6:18pm On Feb 05
Michellekabod2:
nah...what he meant was spirit/breath are synonymous.
He defines spirit as the breathe of life/life giving force.

Breathe must come from somewhere to someplace. The bible says God is a SPIRIT! That is a fundermental bible truth.

A spirit is a living BEING in a non-physical dimension. Beings within this "spiritual dimension" are living identities (unique and distinguishable). God isn't the only spirit entity in the Universe, angels, demons are also spirits.

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