macof:


A simple summary of what a con and a fraud is.
1. You have admitted that you lack the education and qualifications.. That's not something you can lie about for too long anyway but to call education useless exposes you as a con.

2. You have exposed yourself as someone who only wants to listen to people whose "conclusions" are much like your corny word plays with no basis. You are not open to discussions and contra arguments just as you always cry over being proven wrong or being questioned. Ultimately even scholars with years of experience and contribution backed by facts are nuisance to you once they don't support your dreams of yoruba being Hebrew. You are not serious
When you have gotten to the level of self aggrandizement that you think you can challenge institutions and people who have put in rigorous work on the topic of the west African past. You alone and those who Band together with you are the ordained historians and leaders of the Yoruba everyone else is wrong, how dare they question you eeee oo
That is some crazy shiit

3. You actually don't comprehend anything. you are throwing the term "green sahara" in mockery and in such a way that shows you don't even understand what that actually means. Goes to show that you do not even allow yourself to process any information that doesn't say Yoruba are Hebrews. You are so obsessed with Hebrew people who you were indoctrinated into worshipping in church
You also obviously don't know what Bantu means. And I have never said Yoruba are a Bantu admixture (you morons keep saying this I wonder where you got that from. Imagine 3/4 people misleading themselves over the same single point )

4. Please I encourage discussion on yoruba history but don't talk trash, better you stay quiet if you can't handle being questioned or shown your mistake where you make one

5. You yourself have declared your Hebrew you are no longer Yoruba. Go back to your country in Israel
I am Yoruba, West African and proud

Olodo with pseudo Professorship, , I am Yoruba from ‘West Africa' . Lol. There was no West Africa from time immemorial! It is a term coined by the West.

2. The Ibri/Abri/abari has pictographs which mentioned them in their original classic written language. The language was crude because it developmental stage of written form of language,which begun from cuneiforms through Sumerian culture.

2b. Persian have account of O'Juda ; Hebrew

2c. Babylonian account affirmed to the identity of Hebrew

2d Greek have account of documentation of Hebrew people ,which became Bible

2d. Egyptian pictograph have account of Hebrew and their complexion.

2e. Show us,where the might of Yoruba were written in small Bantu set up in West Africa. I wait patiently.




3.You have posts you mentioned Ibos and Yoruba are of the same origin,which is Niger Congo. But today, you are working tireslessly to reject your view ,simply because as untrained in Semitic language as your masters, you're clueless.

3b. You have claimed Egyptian origin of Yoruba ancestors but you failed like your masters because you have no clue to the possibility of as such on it.


3c. Yoruba's ifaodu corpus rejected this hypothesis of being associated to only group in West Africa because, the ifaodu corpus affirm,that Yoruba( anciently with a different name) fathered mankind. Infact, there was also an ape (figurative expression)being in ifaodu corpus, who raped a woman that his descendant became a form of man....


What was the first male name and female in Yoruba's history ? Yoruba Iba oooo Imo/Umoh

Aji gbe ure ko lo ruko ti a npe Ifaodu

Aji gbe ure ko lo ruko ti a npe ogboni

Aji gbe ure ko lo ruko ti a npe orunmiela

Daku Dabo eta oko ko un je ra won ni iyan, eyin me te eta , e gbe ure ko mi raye raye. Ase

Note:Go and study to be conversant with Yoruba people's history. Have you not seen ,wherever Yoruba are found, they always classified themselves as a unique people, even if they are small in population. They don't attach themselves spiritually to people, it's reversal in every way.

Olu317:
Seems you feel bitter about what I have done to exposing your ignorance . Instead you result to diversionary pattern but wait up! Alaba and Alabama are not the only semblance which can be said to be cognate because Yoruba's Die and English's Die are also cognate . Glorified olodo to the brim . It is a pity your sponsor at the tertiary institution did wasted his/her financial support.

There is no iota of doubt that I am enjoying your so called sly lifestyle online because you're a weakling and a fish brain. So, when you are defenceless, you pick up irrelevancy and make it relevant,when in reality, it is valueless. Perhaps, you think, I can fall cheap for trick to showcase methodology for a work of mine in the offing? Intellectual theft at peak from the fake scholar macof

As far as I can see it, you will disappear in the same manner, others did because shame caught with them , which await you. A pseudo scholar thought, I can't read paleograph simply because I give you attention on this platform. Paradventure, you dont know, I can read classic Semitic language of, so, there is no iota of doubt in my heart about the research work in care, which will be ready in due season. My question : How do you want to promote Yoruba's heritage? Ponder over it because one who stand in for a course must have answer for one believes both traditionally and academically. Obviously, fish brain as yours lack the pedigree.

Nevertheless, your action can be predicted easily, over regurgitation of questions; provide this,provide that as you have never for once stopped doing,since you failed to realised, untrained personality ask such questions in an open forum .I am not trained in linguistic nor have knowledge on paleography, says the soothsayer macof to score a cheap point but as far as I am concern, when I am done with my research work, you will read what academic qualification I possessed before I can write book on Yoruba language which is of semitic origin through migration . And I will expect you to criticise my personality publicly at that point in history if you can.


Note: Go and read books and be closer to awo Ifaodu to learn more about Isese.

" authors on Yoruba history claimed Yoruba ancestors arrived here in Caravans."

In all of this post with all the nonsense you are talking about, as expected you cannot name the authors/books and what pages any thing like this was mentioned
Just like everything else from you, it's all a load of hot bullshiit

macof:

" authors on Yoruba history claimed Yoruba ancestors arrived here in Caravans."

In all of this post with all the nonsense you are talking about, as expected you cannot name the authors/books and what pages any thing like this was mentioned
Just like everything else from you, it's all a load of hot bullshiit

It is obvious, whenever you see my post It, you always want to self-service . So,in your wildest dream, they walk with barefoot to present day Yoruba's land? Have you no knowledge of what I posted on beads found in IleIfe that which some were identified by W. G. van der Sleen (in Willett, 205-06) as an Indian trade-wind bead. Did India bead flew with wings?

Like, some silly ass says, If you don't want a black man to see a thing, hide it in a book! So you re unread colour man. What a disappointment to behold. Perhaps, when you are ready to call my attention because, I am not interested in your wailing since you are entirely entitled to your watery opinion that has no value in present time.

Olu317:
It is obvious, whenever you see my post It, you always want to self-service . So,in your wildest dream, they walk with barefoot to present day Yoruba's land? Have you no knowledge of what I posted on beads found in IleIfe that which some were identified by W. G. van der Sleen (in Willett, 205-06) as an Indian trade-wind bead. Did India bead flew with wings?

Like, some silly ass says, If you don't want a black man to see a thing, hide it in a book! So you re unread colour man. What a disappointment to behold. Perhaps, when you are ready to call my attention because, I am not interested in your wailing since you are entirely entitled to your watery opinion that has no value in present time.

Smh. More bullshiit

macof:

Smh. More bullshiit

You're intellectually flawful with all your razzmatazz over pseudo Yoruba's jingoism which, you can't even be sponsored for any laudable research work on her history.

Note: Go and study.

Olu317:


Olodo with pseudo Professorship, , I am Yoruba from ‘West Africa' . Lol. There was no West Africa from time immemorial! It is a term coined by the West.

2. The Ibri/Abri/abari has pictographs which mentioned them in their original classic written language. The language was crude because it developmental stage of written form of language,which begun from cuneiforms through Sumerian culture.

2b. Persian have account of O'Juda ; Hebrew

2c. Babylonian account affirmed to the identity of Hebrew

2d Greek have account of documentation of Hebrew people ,which became Bible

2d. Egyptian pictograph have account of Hebrew and their complexion.

2e. Show us,where the might of Yoruba were written in small Bantu set up in West Africa. I wait patiently.




3.You have posts you mentioned Ibos and Yoruba are of the same origin,which is Niger Congo. But today, you are working tireslessly to reject your view ,simply because as untrained in Semitic language as your masters, you're clueless.

3b. You have claimed Egyptian origin of Yoruba ancestors but you failed like your masters because you have no clue to the possibility of as such on it.


3c. Yoruba's ifaodu corpus rejected this hypothesis of being associated to only group in West Africa because, the ifaodu corpus affirm,that Yoruba( anciently with a different name) fathered mankind. Infact, there was also an ape (figurative expression)being in ifaodu corpus, who raped a woman that his descendant became a form of man....


What was the first male name and female in Yoruba's history ? Yoruba Iba oooo Imo/Umoh

Aji gbe ure ko lo ruko ti a npe Ifaodu

Aji gbe ure ko lo ruko ti a npe ogboni

Aji gbe ure ko lo ruko ti a npe orunmiela

Daku Dabo eta oko ko un je ra won ni iyan, eyin me te eta , e gbe ure ko mi raye raye. Ase

Note:Go and study to be conversant with Yoruba people's history. Have you not seen ,wherever Yoruba are found, they always classified themselves as a unique people, even if they are small in population. They don't attach themselves spiritually to people, it's reversal in every way.

Bro, our guest has exploded like a gunpowder. He's cunningly trying to direct us to a subterfuge, we asked him to use his own intelligence to interpret the antique poetry and this is what we have in return.

The outburst.

If I've followed his leading, would this have been his response? Guy is an 'electronic historian', no indeginous content in his history but scientific junks.

The Yoruba ancestors had lived in 4,000 years earlier, according to Prof, Akintoye, but today? New report put the age in 43,000 years ago. So, which is right?

Either the one based on archeology of the Nok civilization or the new readings from the forensic electronic device that has picked 2% that must be hyped for recognition that the device deserve.

The new date implies that a new digital gadget has been manufactured and it's much an improvement on the older analog version for genetic studies, the partners sponsor the BBC report.

Or do you have explanation why a man made machine will contradict man-made calculations? It's man-made calculation and calibrations going through improvements.

Figure don't lie, man-made machine will give man-made inputs and output. How much more when no archeological findings is connected to this. A gadget is to be blamed for the difference.

It's indicative of how unreliable electronic history can be for timing history. No carbon dating as you have on the archeological artifact. No questioning once it's Africa.

But you and I neither work for Sony, Erickson, Siemens, Sharp or whatever. We are human interpreters of human poetics and linguistic art, to the glory of God.

The machine historian is on his way here.

The clear implication of all this is that the origin of the Yoruba people as a linguistic and ethnic group belongs in the process of slow differentiation of proto-groups which occurred in the Middle Niger and around the Niger—Benue confluence, beginning about 4000 BC and continuing for thousands of years. It is, therefore, in this area that we must find the first home of the Yoruba as one people — the area close to the Niger—Benue confluence and further up the Niger, where the southern Nupe and the far northeastern Yoruba groups — the Yagba, Jumu, Ikiri, Oworo, Owe, and Bunu (now collectively called the Okun Yoruba by some scholars) — and the northernmost Igbomina, live today."

~ From "A History of the Yoruba People" by Professor Stephen Adebanji Akintoye.

Professor Akintoye is a professional historian. Not an amateur dabbling into something he is ill-equipped to grasp properly. He has been doing serious history for sixty years.

Courtesy redbonesmith, page 3.

The Yoruba we speak today is over 50% kemitic Egyptian. A word like suegbe is kemitic Egyptian. That was also the language spoken by the Hebrews in Egypt. Oduduwa described himself to IFE's as a son of lamurudu or nimrod so he probably came from the middle east

macof:


A simple summary of what a con and a fraud is.

You are entitled to your opinion sir, I've made myself very clear upfront to the public for the upteenth time about me. So that anyone can be familiar with the writer and his thoughts.

You can choose to agree or disagree with my findings, but I'll make sure I don't coerced anyone.

I would like to be a medium that oral records can channel itself with minimal personal interference, so that the fact can speak by itself. This require native intelligence, not university degree.

1. You have admitted that you lack the education and qualifications.. That's not something you can lie about for too long anyway but to call education useless exposes you as a con.

I am not teaching the principles of philosophy or further maths here bro. All I need to know about my ancestors I have learned that from childhood.

There is something called "home" where you receives 'informal education', you are born into it, you don't have to go to school for it. Once you have sort out your "homework", "classwork" is easier.

The education we are talking about here is a branch of knowledge that has not been upgraded to a classroom curriculum because our educational system was not 'home grown'.

The British educational policy to her colonies bordered itself in training the common people, some basic grammar to educate folks for colonial clerical duties they were prepared for, hence it's either grammar school or comprehensive high School.

A people with this educational background in their recent history are at disadvantage, you are programmed to parrot the worldview of your Masters. How would you expect to have Yoruba history different from the advent of the British as part of the syllabus?

That makes Yoruba history the story of 'British West Africa'. Is that a history for all time Yoruba as it could be? It's either the slave trade or colonial history. Now there is class work and there's homework.

Then if you can dig deep and unravel unknown record, would you have become the man of the moment to the keepers of the meritocratic institution like yours? Up till now, not all knowledge had been classified.

Some knowledge are not yet plucked from the privy, as the Bible says, 'the secret things belongs to God, and those that are revealed belong to us and our children...' So God reveals knowledge, not the school.

Again, since we have the premier university, how many indigenous knowledge has made it through SUPEB to be accredited as a subject in the classroom?

Because such could not be thought of or it's mindless to expect that to solve the tetrahedral problems facing the country. So it's always going after foreign subjects.

You can see why Nigerian youth are running out of the country for menial jobs in the developed countries because the original plan of the "Colonial Masters comes to play.

Your education makes you serve their children at the expense of the poor whose taxes pay for the educational instructions, and rather than make life better for them through creation of value, you blame the "country" or whatever.

Your education is a meritocracy that has failed to create value but only push value around at the expense of the poor. That's why 97% of what you do here is "curse" and not "discuss". You can't create value.

2. You have exposed yourself as someone who only wants to listen to people whose "conclusions" are much like your corny word plays with no basis.

I don't think I drop a line here without an anchor word that is Yoruba. All my thoughts are activated by a Yoruba word that I found to be wonderous and thought provoking.

As such I love to share with like minds our rich heritage as a people. Who loves to discuss with someone who makes up accusations at freewill, who says I've used negative words on elders that I never been acquainted? Let's leave that aside.

The Yoruba intellectual of old coined most of such words, hence they were meaningful and praiseworthy. I don't expect a man whose only identity is 'Yoruba' to find my thoughts impressive. Because his bases is lacking.

You are not open to discussions and contra arguments just as you always cry over being proven wrong or being questioned. Ultimately even scholars with years of experience and contribution backed by facts are nuisance to you once they don't support your dreams of yoruba being Hebrew.

Can you prove anyone wrong or right on a matter that you can't comprehend?

Go back to page 3 where you join this discussion in 2018 and consider your idea about Yoruba history in response to horla, then crosscheck it with your response to geosegun.

Till date, your knowledge is playing around Yoruba or isese. You have contributed no single vocabulary from Yoruba Lexis and structure to this discussion, so how do you now claim authority on difficult Yoruba imponderables?

@the bolded, you are a blackmail pro, having arguments with you is unhealthy. It's all you have been doing. Making yourself a referee in an intellectual matter that you have made rather a boxing contest with the opponent.

Should anyone ask you a question, you blow hot and ask 'do you know bla bla bla?' I don't that's why I asked, tell me about it. You can never do that, but to hide or rain insults.

Nobody gets you to ever make a sane reply, but that's what you demand and 'bully' them to do for you with this line of control that never applied to you.

How do you 'question' me in a civil discussion? Are you mad? Am I in anyway answerable to your judgement if I made my point known? Does your being right when you feel so put you at any golden advantage? You are not mentally healthy.

You are not serious
When you have gotten to the level of self aggrandizement that you think you can challenge institutions and people who have put in rigorous work on the topic of the west African past.

Omode gbon Agba gbon lafi dale'fe; owo mode o to pepe, tagbalagba o wo 'keregbe. Aja iwoyi lom'ehoro iwoyii le; b'ifa ba kifunni a a ki funfa: imo o pin sibikan.

Lodifa fun enimoyi o moyi: ogun o roke; agbede o ro baba. l'owe l'owe laalulu agidigbo, ologbon nii jo, omoran nii modie.

Make your choice. Knowledge is already ended in the past with you. No innovation is possible again or afterwards based on the excruciating toils of the early experts.

You alone and those who Band together with you are the ordained historians and leaders of the Yoruba everyone else is wrong, how dare they question you eeee oo
That is some crazy shiit

We are not using their templates in our discussion, because we're not working on electronic history and and classroom curriculum. This topic is "extra-curricular" activity, trying to enforce a binding rule is yoking the freedom of discussion.

3. You actually don't comprehend anything. you are throwing the term "green sahara" in mockery and in such a way that shows you don't even understand what that actually means. Goes to show that you do not even allow yourself to process any information that doesn't say Yoruba are Hebrews.

You have earlier said 'knowledge is greater than imagination', I thought you are making a universal statement. But you are the last man with valid intellectual principles.

Now you have 'imagined' Green Sahara as food basket for races at either side of the divide, which will not warrant a search for Greener pasture and ultimately interbreeding. That's what you are cloaking guy.

Then how come you have afroasiatic languages comprising some indigenous Nigerian or West Africans? Hausa is at least West Africa, part of her tradition speaks of banza bokwoi, one of which is Yoruba.

Charity begins at home, tell your experts too to find a new name for afroasiatic languages that place Hausa and Hebrew as genetically connected languages.

You failed to see that your green Sahara is created as a great wall of China to keep either races apart in their 'era of splendid isolation'. Now you have that at your backyard to deal with. Your conclusions on it will be inimical to Prof. Akintoye on how Yoruba came to be I expect.

You are so obsessed with Hebrew people who you were indoctrinated into worshipping in church

You have this boogyman experience around the Hebrew. The Bible is a portable Homeland to the Hebrews and like an ancient compass, you can read it and rediscover your root if you have it's calibration in your culture.

We do in Yoruba. As a result of this, I can choose to enrich the tradition with sleeping records of old and make it my best contribution to the fringe of present knowledge. I've not acted against the law or the Constitution of the federal Republic.

It''s not wrong to be dedicated to just proving that point with my lifetime, remember I'm not using your lifetime? So you can find pretty much things to do with your lifetime if you have a reason to.

You also obviously don't know what Bantu means. And I have never said Yoruba are a Bantu admixture (you morons keep saying this I wonder where you got that from. Imagine 3/4 people misleading themselves over the same single point )

Every time you think people don't know a thing, assume you have the knowledge as artifact and no two people can have one thing at the same time to themselves alone. I don't know what Bantu means sir and I didn't want to know.

I asked you to make a stand on your 'electronic history' in your response to geosegun, you refused. Is there no interpretation on the genetic codes you cited from the source on your post?

I believe as a proxy intellectual, you don't know. But you are pain on this but love to imply the wrong meaning to others in their points and still blame them for not getting along with you.

How you cried around that I said Deborah is Ebora, did I take that against you that you are a slowpoke?

Meanwhile what I said back then was that Ebora means 'sacrifice vanished' and that it's metaphorical, and the concept is memorial for Abraham, whose sacrifice vanished in a trance.

You countered the point with Avram instead of Abram, and I said both words have rhymes in the two culture, Deborah rhymes with Ebora. I don't know how I mean rhymes as two separate words meaning the same thing.

I also said both Abram and Avram could be variant from the same source.

I draw your attention to Ebo and Avo, Yoruba and Egun for sacrifice, then to Abore and Avoseh, both meaning priests. I also said even Avoseh is Yoruba, afose, yet it's rooted in Egun.

My rejoinder to this now is that based on the new understanding on Abore as Avoseh, it means afose in Yoruba. And Afose is the horn that the Yoruba priests normally brandish as fetish.

The Hebrew connection is that the horn is useful to the priest in the yum Kippur, and the priest were prophets, 'awon ala fose': people who say things and it comes to pass. That's the analog.

4. Please I encourage discussion on yoruba history but don't talk trash, better you stay quiet if you can't handle being questioned or shown your mistake where you make one

You don't have to encourage anything, it boasting upon nothing. Your only identity is Yoruba, when we get there, we will call you. Won maa peyin kotii kanyin. 'Yoruba' has no Yoruba pedegree, and you have no pedegree to value this discussion.

5. You yourself have declared your Hebrew you are no longer Yoruba. Go back to your country in Israel
I am Yoruba, West African and proud

You have clarified that you don't have a sense of antiquity with your triffling. You think in Bloc when it comes to history, you handle with current affairs, when you are discussing antique topics, like Edom, you dropped 'Jordan'. Now, West Africa.

Yoruba is an appellation, not identity. West Africa is demographic nomenclature for a portion of the African continent to better understand geography and current affairs, not a validation of antiquity.

Proud is not a topic in history.

Your intelligence is at the lowest ebb of understanding, you have no innate clue to antiquities because of how you were probably trained. Look at the redbonesmith conclusions again.

Antiquity of the Yoruba is a carefully drawn origin from a linguistic family tree, rooted somewhere in the Niger, related to the list of places on that course southward.

Look properly at it, it's not an original idea but prose chart for Niger Congo chronological detail, not antiquity. It's indenignisation of a foreign concept.

History did not happen in science laboratory, it's science that seek to adapt itself to history. So, Niger Congo details of Yoruba history is mere "adoptive history". It's 'ex post facto' because Nok civilization could equally march northward, Westward, Eastward or whichever.

The Yoruba language and it's prototypes are family language of common origin. That's the originai linguistic claim. DNA cannot give it's root. Then the Prof looked covertly to archeology.

It's a cheap scholarship to hide under this cloak to build 'origin' for Yoruba by any veteran. It's slaving for foreign linguistic exercise at the expense of indeginous tradition.

So, this kind of education is what we deem as merit, hence our educational institutions churned out folks who have failed to solve our problems. Because our educational tradition is not home grown but accentuation of foreign education.

absoluteSuccess:


You are entitled to your opinion sir, I've made myself very clear upfront to the public for the upteenth time about me. So that anyone can be familiar with the writer and his thoughts.

You can choose to agree or disagree with my findings, but I'll make sure I don't coerced anyone.

I would like to be a medium that oral records can channel itself with minimal personal interference, so that the fact can speak by itself. This require native intelligence, not university degree.




I am not teaching the principles of philosophy or further maths here bro. All I need to know about my ancestors I have learned that from childhood.

There is something called "home" where you receives 'informal education', you are born into it, you don't have to go to school for it. Once you have sort out your "homework", "classwork" is easier.

The education we are talking about here is a branch of knowledge that has not been upgraded to a classroom curriculum because our educational system was not 'home grown'.

The British educational policy to her colonies bordered itself in training the common people, some basic grammar to educate folks for colonial clerical duties they were prepared for, hence it's either grammar school or comprehensive high School.

A people with this educational background in their recent history are at disadvantage, you are programmed to parrot the worldview of your Masters. How would you expect to have Yoruba history different from the advent of the British as part of the syllabus?

That makes Yoruba history the story of 'British West Africa'. Is that a history for all time Yoruba as it could be? It's either the slave trade or colonial history. Now there is class work and there's homework.

Then if you can dig deep and unravel unknown record, would you have become the man of the moment to the keepers of the meritocratic institution like yours? Up till now, not all knowledge had been classified.

Some knowledge are not yet plucked from the privy, as the Bible says, 'the secret things belongs to God, and those that are revealed belong to us and our children...' So God reveals knowledge, not the school.

Again, since we have the premier university, how many indigenous knowledge has made it through SUPEB to be accredited as a subject in the classroom?

Because such could not be thought of or it's mindless to expect that to solve the tetrahedral problems facing the country. So it's always going after foreign subjects.

You can see why Nigerian youth are running out of the country for menial jobs in the developed countries because the original plan of the "Colonial Masters comes to play.

Your education makes you serve their children at the expense of the poor whose taxes pay for the educational instructions, and rather than make life better for them through creation of value, you blame the "country" or whatever.

Your education is a meritocracy that has failed to create value but only push value around at the expense of the poor. That's why 97% of what you do here is "curse" and not "discuss". You can't create value.



I don't think I drop a line here without an anchor word that is Yoruba. All my thoughts are activated by a Yoruba word that I found to be wonderous and thought provoking.

As such I love to share with like minds our rich heritage as a people. Who loves to discuss with someone who makes up accusations at freewill, who says I've used negative words on elders that I never been acquainted? Let's leave that aside.

The Yoruba intellectual of old coined most of such words, hence they were meaningful and praiseworthy. I don't expect a man whose only identity is 'Yoruba' to find my thoughts impressive. Because his bases is lacking.



Can you prove anyone wrong or right on a matter that you can't comprehend?

Go back to page 3 where you join this discussion in 2018 and consider your idea about Yoruba history in response to horla, then crosscheck it with your response to geosegun.

Till date, your knowledge is playing around Yoruba or isese. You have contributed no single vocabulary from Yoruba Lexis and structure to this discussion, so how do you now claim authority on difficult Yoruba imponderables?

@the bolded, you are a blackmail pro, having arguments with you is unhealthy. It's all you have been doing. Making yourself a referee in an intellectual matter that you have made rather a boxing contest with the opponent.

Should anyone ask you a question, you blow hot and ask 'do you know bla bla bla?' I don't that's why I asked, tell me about it. You can never do that, but to hide or rain insults.

Nobody gets you to ever make a sane reply, but that's what you demand and 'bully' them to do for you with this line of control that never applied to you.

How do you 'question' me in a civil discussion? Are you mad? Am I in anyway answerable to your judgement if I made my point known? Does your being right when you feel so put you at any golden advantage? You are not mentally healthy.




You are not serious
When you have gotten to the level of self aggrandizement that you think you can challenge institutions and people who have put in rigorous work on the topic of the west African past.



Omode gbon Agba gbon lafi dale'fe; owo mode o to pepe, tagbalagba o wo 'keregbe. Aja iwoyi lom'ehoro iwoyii le; b'ifa ba kifunni a a ki funfa: imo o pin sibikan.

Lodifa fun enimoyi o moyi: ogun o roke; agbede o ro baba. l'owe l'owe laalulu agidigbo, ologbon nii jo, omoran nii modie.

Make your choice. Knowledge is already ended in the past with you. No innovation is possible again or afterwards based on the excruciating toils of the early experts.



You alone and those who Band together with you are the ordained historians and leaders of the Yoruba everyone else is wrong, how dare they question you eeee oo
That is some crazy shiit



We are not using their templates in our discussion, because we're not working on electronic history and and classroom curriculum. This topic is "extra-curricular" activity, trying to enforce a binding rule is yoking the freedom of discussion.



3. You actually don't comprehend anything. you are throwing the term "green sahara" in mockery and in such a way that shows you don't even understand what that actually means. Goes to show that you do not even allow yourself to process any information that doesn't say Yoruba are Hebrews.



You have earlier said 'knowledge is greater than imagination', I thought you are making a universal statement. But you are the last man with valid intellectual principles.

Now you have 'imagined' Green Sahara as food basket for races at either side of the divide, which will not warrant a search for Greener pasture and ultimately interbreeding. That's what you are cloaking guy.

Then how come you have afroasiatic languages comprising some indigenous Nigerian or West Africans? Hausa is at least West Africa, part of her tradition speaks of banza bokwoi, one of which is Yoruba.

Charity begins at home, tell your experts too to find a new name for afroasiatic languages that place Hausa and Hebrew as genetically connected languages.

You failed to see that your green Sahara is created as a great wall of China to keep either races apart in their 'era of splendid isolation'. Now you have that at your backyard to deal with. Your conclusions on it will be inimical to Prof. Akintoye on how Yoruba came to be I expect.



You are so obsessed with Hebrew people who you were indoctrinated into worshipping in church


You have this boogyman experience around the Hebrew. The Bible is a portable Homeland to the Hebrews and like an ancient compass, you can read it and rediscover your root if you have it's calibration in your culture.

We do in Yoruba. As a result of this, I can choose to enrich the tradition with sleeping records of old and make it my best contribution to the fringe of present knowledge. I've not acted against the law or the Constitution of the federal Republic.

It''s not wrong to be dedicated to just proving that point with my lifetime, remember I'm not using your lifetime? So you can find pretty much things to do with your lifetime if you have a reason to.



You also obviously don't know what Bantu means. And I have never said Yoruba are a Bantu admixture (you morons keep saying this I wonder where you got that from. Imagine 3/4 people misleading themselves over the same single point )



Every time you think people don't know a thing, assume you have the knowledge as artifact and no two people can have one thing at the same time to themselves alone. I don't know what Bantu means sir and I didn't want to know.

I asked you to make a stand on your 'electronic history' in your response to geosegun, you refused. Is there no interpretation on the genetic codes you cited from the source on your post?

I believe as a proxy intellectual, you don't know. But you are pain on this but love to imply the wrong meaning to others in their points and still blame them for not getting along with you.

How you cried around that I said Deborah is Ebora, did I take that against you that you are a slowpoke?

Meanwhile what I said back then was that Ebora means 'sacrifice vanished' and that it's metaphorical, and the concept is memorial for Abraham, whose sacrifice vanished in a trance.

You countered the point with Avram instead of Abram, and I said both words have rhymes in the two culture, Deborah rhymes with Ebora. I don't know how I mean rhymes as two separate words meaning the same thing.

I also said both Abram and Avram could be variant from the same source.

I draw your attention to Ebo and Avo, Yoruba and Egun for sacrifice, then to Abore and Avoseh, both meaning priests. I also said even Avoseh is Yoruba, afose, yet it's rooted in Egun.

My rejoinder to this now is that based on the new understanding on Abore as Avoseh, it means afose in Yoruba. And Afose is the horn that the Yoruba priests normally brandish as fetish.

The Hebrew connection is that the horn is useful to the priest in the yum Kippur, and the priest were prophets, 'awon ala fose': people who say things and it comes to pass. That's the analog.



4. Please I encourage discussion on yoruba history but don't talk trash, better you stay quiet if you can't handle being questioned or shown your mistake where you make one



You don't have to encourage anything, it boasting upon nothing. Your only identity is Yoruba, when we get there, we will call you. Won maa peyin kotii kanyin. 'Yoruba' has no Yoruba pedegree, and you have no pedegree to value this discussion.



5. You yourself have declared your Hebrew you are no longer Yoruba. Go back to your country in Israel
I am Yoruba, West African and proud



You have clarified that you don't have a sense of antiquity with your triffling. You think in Bloc when it comes to history, you handle with current affairs, when you are discussing antique topics, like Edom, you dropped 'Jordan'. Now, West Africa.

Yoruba is an appellation, not identity. West Africa is demographic nomenclature for a portion of the African continent to better understand geography and current affairs, not a validation of antiquity.

Proud is not a topic in history.

Your intelligence is at the lowest ebb of understanding, you have no innate clue to antiquities because of how you were probably trained. Look at the redbonesmith conclusions again.

Antiquity of the Yoruba is a carefully drawn origin from a linguistic family tree, rooted somewhere in the Niger, related to the list of places on that course southward.

Look properly at it, it's not an original idea but prose chart for Niger Congo chronological detail, not antiquity. It's indenignisation of a foreign concept.

History did not happen in science laboratory, it's science that seek to adapt itself to history. So, Niger Congo details of Yoruba history is mere "adoptive history". It's 'ex post facto' because Nok civilization could equally march northward, Westward, Eastward or whichever.

The Yoruba language and it's prototypes are family language of common origin. That's the originai linguistic claim. DNA cannot give it's root. Then the Prof looked covertly to archeology.

It's a cheap scholarship to hide under this cloak to build 'origin' for Yoruba by any veteran. It's slaving for foreign linguistic exercise at the expense of indeginous tradition.

So, this kind of education is what we deem as merit, hence our educational institutions churned out folks who have failed to solve our problems. Because our educational tradition is not home grown but accentuation of foreign education.

Another stupid rant of desperation
You are a Fraud and all this keeps exposing it

macof:


Another stupid rant of desperation
You are a Fraud and all this keeps exposing it

Well we can see through your input and my input and arrive at a valid inference. It's possible you want to make "Fraud" a way of escape, but the true meaning of the word points to you.

1. Meritocratic fraud

This played out when history of the Yoruba is reduced to the linguistic concept of "Niger Congo", a phrase that the people do not have in their lexicon, which was rather coined by Greenberg in the 1950s.

And then the "Stone Age", which derived from the work of John Hunter-Duvar, The Stone, Bronze and Iron Ages, published in 1892. Then the timeframe of the late Stone Age became the time of origin of the Yoruba.

Thus, the Yoruba history was reinvented from careful combination of the above, without any point of reference to her indigenous tradition of origin even such as adjudged prehistoric.

The Yoruba history is therefore submerged into the literary concepts of the above named authors, but with local place names as 'elements of stability' in the claim of Prof Akintoye.

That kind of history is a hoax at best. Hunter-Duvar said on page 205, "Were it not that folk-lore has almost died out, more than one domestic rite might be traced back to the stone age."

So how does the linguistic classification of Yoruba language became the phrase and place of her origin and antiquity? How does Greenberg handed us our folklore and Hunter-Duvar a year of origin?

2. Green Sahara Fraud

This is the imaginative claim that the Sahara was a barrier separating the Asian and Africa such that the two people never had anything in common in antiquity.

But linguistics placed Hausa and Hebrew as Afroasiatic. How manage that the Hausa and other indigenous Nigerian languages had common origin in Afroasia?

The insistence that the Sahara is impenetrable is casting a blindfold on the intelligence of the simple folks for ulterior motives. This is yet another silly fraud.

3. The Metascience fraud

We live in the era of artificial intelligence with machines that portends to be smarter than human being. Some folks were made intellectually incompetent by this.

For instance, the electronic gadgets can only serve as medium for human automated gradients and not a gradients of its own intelligence.

Therefore, if it's reading on it's sensors gives 2% difference from what earlier gadgets could have, it's impossible for the gadget to tell you what has not been programed into it.

It's left to human interpretation whatever to make of this, whether or not it is a contact with aliens or the ancestors some 43,000 years ago or 43,000 years into space.

We are wise to know where to look, but some rather warm up to "the history" that will spin from this in future time. Yet it's human input and output going through gadgets.

The implication of this is WYSIWYG.

You can predict the outcome.

absoluteSuccess:


Well we can see through your input and my input and arrive at a valid inference. It's possible you want to make "Fraud" a way of escape, but the true meaning of the word points to you.

1. Meritocratic fraud

This played out when history of the Yoruba is reduced to the linguistic concept of "Niger Congo", a phrase that the people do not have in their lexicon, which was rather coined by Greenberg in the 1950s.

And then the "Stone Age", which derived from the work of John Hunter-Duvar, The Stone, Bronze and Iron Ages, published in 1892. Then the timeframe of the late Stone Age became the time of origin of the Yoruba.

Thus, the Yoruba history was reinvented from careful combination of the above, without any point of reference to her indigenous tradition of origin even such as adjudged prehistoric.

The Yoruba history is therefore submerged into the literary concepts of the above named authors, but with local place names as 'elements of stability' in the claim of Prof Akintoye.

That kind of history is a hoax at best. Hunter-Duvar said on page 205, "Were it not that folk-lore has almost died out, more than one domestic rite might be traced back to the stone age."

So how does the linguistic classification of Yoruba language became the phrase and place of her origin and antiquity? How does Greenberg handed us our folklore and Hunter-Duvar a year of origin?

2. Green Sahara Fraud

This is the imaginative claim that the Sahara was a barrier separating the Asian and Africa such that the two people never had anything in common in antiquity.

But linguistics placed Hausa and Hebrew as Afroasiatic. How manage that the Hausa and other indigenous Nigerian languages had common origin in Afroasia?

The insistence that the Sahara is impenetrable is casting a blindfold on the intelligence of the simple folks for ulterior motives. This is yet another silly fraud.

3. The Metascience fraud

We live in the era of artificial intelligence with machines that portends to be smarter than human being. Some folks were made intellectually incompetent by this.

For instance, the electronic gadgets can only serve as medium for human automated gradients and not a gradients of its own intelligence.

Therefore, if it's reading on it's sensors gives 2% difference from what earlier gadgets could have, it's impossible for the gadget to tell you what has not been programed into it.

It's left to human interpretation whatever to make of this, whether or not it is a contact with aliens or the ancestors some 43,000 years ago or 43,000 years into space.

We are wise to know where to look, but some rather warm up to "the history" that will spin from this in future time. Yet it's human input and output going through gadgets.

The implication of this is WYSIWYG.

You can predict the outcome.

Dullard, I've told you that you understand neither what the idea of a green sahara means nor what it means for languages to belong in a single language family. You hardly understand anything you try to respond to no matter how clear and obvious the point is.
Calling Yoruba's place in the Niger-Congo group of languages a fraud while claiming Yoruba is Semitic.. Smh
You don't understand anything.. .just look at this mess of a post

When you provide substance of worth that can be followed up with historical methods that supercede what renowned historians, linguists and anthropologists are doing then I would take you seriously.
Imagine one jobless fellow trying to stage himself as an expert on a topic he knows nothing about. At best if you have any education at all it would have seen you drop out early and certainly not in any field relevant to this discussion.. I'm guessing mass comm. in some backwater polytechnic that didn't serve you well
Because it takes some real shiity life to say education is useless or experts are fraud but you some lowlife has been ordained master of yoruba origin

macof:


Dullard, I've told you that you understand neither what the idea of a green sahara means nor what it means for languages to belong in a single language family. Calling Yoruba's place in the Niger-Congo group of languages a fraud while claiming Yoruba is Semitic.. Smh
You don't understand anything.. .just look at this mess of a post

When you provide substance of worth that can be followed up with historical methods that supercede what renowned historians, linguists and anthropologists are doing then I would take you seriously.
Imagine one jobless fellow trying to stage himself as an expert on a topic he knows nothing about. At best if you have any education at all it would have seen you drop out early and certainly not in any field relevant to this discussion.. I'm guessing mass comm. in some backwater polytechnic that didn't serve you well
Because it takes some real shiity life to say education is useless or experts are fraud but you some lowlife has been ordained master of yoruba origin

Niger congo says who ..white master..You need to update man knowledge is not static..

Obalufon:
Niger congo says who ..white master..You need to update man knowledge is not static..

Whites may be your master, after all you follow their religion... Which is the only reason you want to be Hebrew by all means necessary. Not mine

However people of European descent do not have a monopoly on intelligence and capability for research and study. Research and study has shown Yoruba to be a Niger-Congo language, you go challenge that with superior argument

macof:
Whites may be your master, after all you follow their religion... Which is the only reason you want to be Hebrew by all means necessary. Not mine

However people of European descent do not have a monopoly on intelligence and capability for research and study. Research and study has shown Yoruba to be a Niger-Congo language, you go challenge that with superior argument

you are the Niger congo not me ...who conduct the research? y... we don't share the same religion with Niger Congo people ... Religion is the key to unlock the mystery.. bantu people share comon religion pattern and how they relate with their environment .

Obalufon:
you are the Niger congo not me ...who conduct the research? y... we don't share the same religion with Niger Congo people ... Religion is the key to unlock the mystery.. bantu people share comon religion pattern and how they relate with their environment .

slowpoke
O má ṣé o

So the Christianity/Islam religion you practice that is driving you insane you think it is local to yorubas? Or what exactly is this one saying because I know for a fact that you have no dealings or concern for Isese or Orisa traditions so that can't be what you refer to as your religion

macof:
slowpoke
O má ṣé o

So the Christianity/Islam religion you practice that is driving you insane you think it is local to yorubas? Or what exactly is this one saying because I know for a fact that you have no dealings or concern for Isese or Orisa traditions so that can't be what you refer to as your religion

Your generation na Congo. I dont give a Damn about Christianity or Hebrew religion but fact and truth will always prevail . I'm a direct lineage of Obalufon... I can believe anything else except Congo ..Our religion predate abrahamic religion more than 10,000yrs .If you know the importance of religion and social cultural system in tracing peoples Origin you will know better ...Don't merge yoruba with your Niger Congo or bantus ..You call yourself scholar you are still talking about Niger Congo 70yrs research that was done by racist whites folks that know nothing about us, they tag us savage because of some backward animals they merge us with .. Ibo boy macof your people are breed of monkey and human,,that's what yoruba believe you people are

Obalufon:
Your generation na Congo. I dont give a Damn about Christianity or Hebrew religion but fact and truth will always prevail . I'm a direct lineage of Obalufon... I can believe anything else except Congo ..Our religion predate abrahamic religion more than 10,000yrs .If you know the importance of religion and social cultural system in tracing peoples Origin you will know better ...Don't merge yoruba with your Niger Congo or bantus ..You call yourself scholar you are still talking about Niger Congo 70yrs research that was done by racist whites folks that know nothing about us, they tag us savage because of some backward animals they merge us with .. Ibo boy macof your people are breed of monkey and human,,that's what yoruba believe you people are

Confused nincompoop. You have no idea of anything in this world
So it is religion/spirituality that determines language classifications Not syntax, not vocabulary, not Semantics but religion
The religion/spirituality in question that is also very steeped in West Africa and similar to that of yoruba neighbours.
What a dumb fuvk, a disgrace to the Ọbàlùfọ̀n you claim to descend from
So in your mind Yoruba spirituality is not related to that of the Igbo or Fon or other West Africans but rather similar to Judaism/Yahwism of the Hebrews

Unfortunately for you, Yoruba is a Niger-Congo language

macof:


Another stupid rant of desperation
You are a Fraud and all this keeps exposing it

Kindly go to Politic section, where you will be heard because you are a pathological fraud claiming that someone else is a fraud. Zoom off this thread if nothing tangible to advance this course can not come out of your medulla Oblongata.

Olu317:
Kindly go to Politic section, where you will be heard because you are a pathological fraud claiming that someone else is a fraud. Zoom off this thread if nothing tangible to advance this course can not come out of your medulla Oblongata.

Something tangible to advance your cause of directing yorubas towards the Hebrews is what I've been asking for
We both know none you can provide a sound argument
Just look at the other nincompoop

absoluteSuccess:


Bro, our guest has exploded like a gunpowder. He's cunningly trying to direct us to a subterfuge, we asked him to use his own intelligence to interpret the antique poetry and this is what we have in return.

The outburst.

If I've followed his leading, would this have been his response? Guy is an 'electronic historian', no indeginous content in his history but scientific junks.

The Yoruba ancestors had lived in 4,000 years earlier, according to Prof, Akintoye, but today? New report put the age in 43,000 years ago. So, which is right?

Either the one based on archeology of the Nok civilization or the new readings from the forensic electronic device that has picked 2% that must be hyped for recognition that the device deserve.

The new date implies that a new digital gadget has been manufactured and it's much an improvement on the older analog version for genetic studies, the partners sponsor the BBC report.

Or do you have explanation why a man made machine will contradict man-made calculations? It's man-made calculation and calibrations going through improvements.

Figure don't lie, man-made machine will give man-made inputs and output. How much more when no archeological findings is connected to this. A gadget is to be blamed for the difference.

It's indicative of how unreliable electronic history can be for timing history. No carbon dating as you have on the archeological artifact. No questioning once it's Africa.

But you and I neither work for Sony, Erickson, Siemens, Sharp or whatever. We are human interpreters of human poetics and linguistic art, to the glory of God.

The machine historian is on his way here.



Courtesy redbonesmith, page 3.

As far as I am concern, the alien ancestors can't be within the whole Yoruba, which has always been my stance. Even the granite sculpture of a servant or priest in Ore groove and other sculptures showed differences.

Secondly, Yoruba calender posits date of beginning of time around 11,000± years ago.And the the professor Akintoye pegged dispersion of Yoruba people from other so called Niger Congo clans around 4000 years ago. Unfortunately, all these information has no conclusive fact on who were Yoruba and who weren't before fusion.

3. Thirdly, Iwo Eleru archeological finding of a skull found in 1965, dated to be 13000± years ago which has no link to Yoruba people.

4. Fourthly, Hausa language is considered as Afroasiatic yet Yoruba isn't ,when in reality Yoruba language has more direct translation with form of Arabic lexicon than Hausa, which loaned many words from Arabic Quranic doctrine.

5. Sixthly , Classic Hebrew language , alaphabet is basically the ancient Yoruba language ,which are spoken in the hinterland, which has nothing to do with falsified man made protolanguage because, the distance between Nigeria and Near East is more than three thousands miles. So, if yoruba people speak Semitic language, then it means, there are Coptic Christians, who were Hebrew origin with a prince king that established their identity in medieval land of Yoruba people in West Africa's Ileife. Opa Oranmiyan is a testimony to it.

6 Sixthly, machine being produced by man to calculate an alien ancestors of Yoruba that begun 43,000 years is faux because even in Northern Europe, there dna of Yoruba ancestors that has dna link with these people. So,such probability is based on assumption because using all kind of blood claiming Yoruba and alien. After all fossil human of alien supposedly claimed to be Yoruba or mende ancestors has not been found but on speculation. Despite the fact, the ancestors of Yoruba claims ancestors of mankind in Ifaodu as same as Habiri( Hebrew) doctrine but I say, Yoruba ancestors are ancestors of a peculiar mankind who brought different form of religion and civilization to the world .

Seventhly, the electronic historian isn't a big deal to me in his approach towards people here because he is weak and his self defense to churn out vulgar terminology. So, pay less attention to his uncultured claim as a Yoruba man who has no regard for paleographer. Yet, he has no knowledge of anything close to Yoruba's obelisks, which are found across Yoruba land.

macof:


Something tangible to advance your cause of directing yorubas towards the Hebrews is what I've been asking for
We both know none you can provide a sound argument
Just look at the other nincompoop

No! I don't need your help to support my research work because your blood is stained . Perhaps, you will help us link Yoruba Medieval Artifacts, pictographs and protolanguage within Hausa people, Ibo people or Bantu bloodline in Nigeria . מאכעף Olodo grandeur.  

Furthermore, you don't expect me to answer you, do you ? After all ,everything written on here to showcase my case is alien to your knowledge. Or do you haveknowledge of pictographs? Perhaps, if you pay me,then, I can teach you.And if not, I have no time to waste on your pathetic ignorance. Please, you're intellectually imbalance,so enjoy your ignorance at the peak.

Cant you folks discuss the topic without these personal attacks and jabs at each other.

This is very unYoruba.

Keep to your zone if you dont believe someone should share space with you.

Is that hard?

What's all this your blood is stained blah blah, that's demonic talk.

And is let it go not an option?

As per opa oranyan, is there no discussion of the trident engraved on it?

You people have been insulting yourselves for weeks if not months now.

I think that's enough.

Discussions about Yoruba history and culture didn't use to be like this, we had fun filled, interesting, respectful and educative interactions.

Not all these ones.

macof:


Confused nincompoop. You have no idea of anything in this world
So it is religion/spirituality that determines language classifications Not syntax, not vocabulary, not Semantics but religion
The religion/spirituality in question that is also very steeped in West Africa and similar to that of yoruba neighbours.
What a dumb fuvk, a disgrace to the Ọbàlùfọ̀n you claim to descend from
So in your mind Yoruba spirituality is not related to that of the Igbo or Fon or other West Africans but rather similar to Judaism/Yahwism of the Hebrews

Unfortunately for you, Yoruba is a Niger-Congo language

Get the congo out of your mind, you are so daft white man will classify your language for you You are deluded guy , you know nothing i said i don't give a hoot about judaism .. ibo are not human they are bunch of monkeys no sentiment in it monkey they are known naked vicious cannibals ...no way we are relate with ibos syntax or what ever you call it ethnologically we are millions of years apart Fon are related to yoruba ...Igala are related to us fusion of yoruba and jukun..ibo are equatorial bantu thery have cousins in Cameroon the koma people

ibo macof ..

Olu317:
As far as I am concern, the alien ancestors can't be within the whole Yoruba, which has always been my stance. Even the granite sculpture of a servant or priest in Ore groove and other sculptures showed differences.

Secondly, Yoruba calender posits date of beginning of time around 11,000± years ago.And the the professor Akintoye pegged dispersion of Yoruba people from other so called Niger Congo clans around 4000 years ago. Unfortunately, all these information has no conclusive fact on who were Yoruba and who weren't before fusion.

3. Thirdly, Iwo Eleru archeological finding of a skull found in 1965, dated to be 13000± years ago which has no link to Yoruba people.

4. Fourthly, Hausa language is considered as Afroasiatic yet Yoruba isn't ,when in reality Yoruba language has more direct translation with form of Arabic lexicon than Hausa, which loaned many words from Arabic Quranic doctrine.

5. Sixthly , Classic Hebrew language , alaphabet is basically the ancient Yoruba language ,which are spoken in the hinterland, which has nothing to do with falsified man made protolanguage because, the distance between Nigeria and Near East is more than three thousands miles. So, if yoruba people speak Semitic language, then it means, there are Coptic Christians, who were Hebrew origin with a prince king that established their identity in medieval land of Yoruba people in West Africa's Ileife. Opa Oranmiyan is a testimony to it.

6 Sixthly, machine being produced by man to calculate an alien ancestors of Yoruba that begun 43,000 years is faux because even in Northern Europe, there dna of Yoruba ancestors that has dna link with these people. So,such probability is based on assumption because using all kind of blood claiming Yoruba and alien. After all fossil human of alien supposedly claimed to be Yoruba or mende ancestors has not been found but on speculation. Despite the fact, the ancestors of Yoruba claims ancestors of mankind in Ifaodu as same as Habiri( Hebrew) doctrine but I say, Yoruba ancestors are ancestors of a peculiar mankind who brought different form of religion and civilization to the world .

Seventhly, the electronic historian isn't a big deal to me in his approach towards people here because he is weak and his self defense to churn out vulgar terminology. So, pay less attention to his uncultured claim as a Yoruba man who has no regard for paleographer. Yet, he has no knowledge of anything close to Yoruba's obelisks, which are found across Yoruba land.

Very candid observations. All that macof is here to do has come to the open, he wants to "debrief the Yoruba" on hold to her tradition, which makes her stand apart from what the linguists want us to belief, as Yoruba tradition is a mystery that could possibly upset the apple pie order that is coming over us as a people, where our oral tradition will no longer amount to anything in the telling of our history.

In this scheme of things, we are being reduced to spectators and meant to spend to obtain a degree in history (to be further confused and speak whats not as proper history) before we could ever open our mouth in the assembly of people to tell a history about our origin, its the taking over of "the university" in "modernized" history telling. Whatever does not respect tradition is a deviation.

This is the man weeping over my accuracy in interpreting whatever he meant by green sahara, and was sharing banter with co-bantu about the Yoruba Oriki tradition, he could mock the veracity of oriki as a valid testament of history but his word, a figment of his imagination must be robed in royal mystery because kato seju pe nisin, a gbe precision machine were kan jade again pe story oun lo accurate.

macof:


Dullard, I've told you that you understand neither what the idea of a green sahara means nor what it means for languages to belong in a single language family. You hardly understand anything you try to respond to no matter how clear and obvious the point is.
Calling Yoruba's place in the Niger-Congo group of languages a fraud while claiming Yoruba is Semitic.. Smh
You don't understand anything.. .just look at this mess of a post

I will keep hammering it in your head until you stop trying to keep us off the scent of your balooney. Put Yoruba in any language family you deem fit, it never replace Yoruba "antiquity", "oral tradition" and "oral records" nor Ifa tradition as an historical source capable of differentiation and self identification of Yoruba in an aggregate groupie.

And for an erudite historian to merge "Yoruba linguistic family" and "archeological chronology of civilizations" together (with professor akintoye piece as a case study) as Yoruba history or genesis of Yoruba race is a hoax. That's all I'm saying, I care less where you put Yoruba.

When you provide substance of worth that can be followed up with historical methods that supercede what renowned historians, linguists and anthropologists are doing then I would take you seriously.

Go back and digest what John Hunter-Duvar says "Were it not that folk-lore has almost died out, more than one domestic rite might be traced back to the stone age." Oriki is a solid example of a "domestic rite" dating back to late stone age, which the European of his primary interest may not have but which the Yoruba does. So he is not leading us to precision machine but to the folk lore of the people.

Whatever renowned historians, anthropologists, linguistics likes, let them do. I never asked them to stop working fella. They were divine and unquestionable to you and you. I am only working on the tradition of the Yoruba people, no more no less. Did they have any law stipulating that we should never talk about Yoruba traditions? Afterall, they were not useful in their methods of writing history.

Imagine one jobless fellow trying to stage himself as an expert on a topic he knows nothing about. At best if you have any education at all it would have seen you drop out early and certainly not in any field relevant to this discussion.. I'm guessing mass comm. in some backwater polytechnic that didn't serve you well

LOL, do you have to guess after I have my link to the facebook profile on my older thread where you are a contributor? Your style of lying is of ivy league university class. No wonder thrash started coming to my facebook timeline once I added you as friend, only God know the extent you wont go with your penchant for hatred.

And thank you for weeping for me, I've discovered my "place of primary assignment" in Yoruba oral tradition, and I am very committed to it. It serves me more than all the great jobs and degree in this world and I have burn all my certificates for the pearl that I have found in Yoruba tradition, keep the key to your harvard.

Because it takes some real shiity life to say education is useless or experts are fraud but you some lowlife has been ordained master of yoruba origin

Go back to my post and read very well I know how taking ones point out of context is important to you. I am only giving constructive critism on education and a caveat to taking 'false history' as gospel truth in Yoruba history.

nlPoster:
You people have been insulting yourselves for weeks if not months now.

I think that's enough.

Discussions about Yoruba history and culture didn't use to be like this, we had fun filled, interesting, respectful and educative interactions.

Not all these ones.

So sorry, sometimes it get messy.

@nlposter you might really enjoy this: I cant find the post where you and metaphysical were conversing on tribal mark. i think I came about a crucial understanding of an aspect of the tribal mark of the yoruba people. enjoy it.

The Origin Of Yoruba Tribal Mark

When the Yoruba folks sees a man or woman that has just been bereaved of either of his parents, they says "omo oloku, abaja lorun.' What on earth does that mean? We have to travel back in time through the Yoruba bloodline to connect the Yoruba ancestors because we wont get the root of this through the doors of the university.

If I'm correct, they would throw a band on the neck of the person so referred anytime he or she returns to the midst of friends. Let's take the band or yoke as symbolic. However, abaja is the "yoke", its the word for a yoke in a language known to the ancient Yoruba. Since the word is not accesible in Yoruba descriptive semantics, its proto Youba.

What does this tradition tries to symbolize? All we have to do is search through history to see where a yoke is on the neck of a man or beast of burden during burial. Well, its possible this symbolizes the burial procession of rich aristocrats in any nearby culture where beasts of burden serves as cart puller.

Well, thats the tradition in the ancient Egypt and the Levant. History told of how Herod almost killed himself when the cart carrying his mother to Nabatea tumbled and flung the poor woman to the ground. He's earlier buried his father in such progression.

However, cart does not exist in ancient Yoruba that settled in west Africa, as beast of burden never pull a cart in Yoruba tradition known to us.
It's impossible to device such in a tropical rain forest. Howeverr, this could have been a tradition of the Yoruba tracing back to stone age, which has lapsed before the Yoruba came to settle here in west Africa.

They may have brought horses through the sea, but it never survived. The Yoruba cavalry men, the onikoyi were renown horsemen right from inception. But the Eshinlokun, by name means, 'horse-marines', were probably the original horsemen drafted into the Yoruba marines of old.

This implies that the Yoruba were familiar with the horse long enough in their history before it later came through the sahel to foster the prosperity of the Oyo empire. Just the same way they're familiar with the cart but no longer have it.

The Tribal Mark

One of the tribal mark known to adorn the cheeks of the Yoruba is so called "abaja". Every of the different marks have their unique names, but gombo, keke and abaja looks similar. Indeed, tribal mark is known as Ila in Yoruba, and may have been invented by the Alabe.

Now this is the point: if abaja is a yoke, it follows that iko olokun eshin is a descriptive phrase from the same imagination.

iko is akin to ikola, iko means hook, olokun, having rope, eshin, horse. Abaja derived from the same source as the hook, rope or cart. I really do not know which, but Aja may be Yoruba for cart.

This is because they did not have the cart brought down to Yorubaland, but they used to know it. A good proof of this is the term "keke", it means cart. Yet, it is a variant of abaja. So keke is a "mercedes" while abaja is 'limousine'. Since Keke is a variation of abaja, both were an ancient craft.

We can now break the code. A particular type of the Yoruba tribal mark (such as you have in onila's dp) depicts the cart; the frame and the two lines that will form when the wheel is drawn on the ground. This is known as Keke.

The meaning of this on the cheek of the Yoruba is to tell the Yoruba beholder that the fellow bearing the mark hails from the aristocratic family of their people and should be accorded due respect due to such.

Aina

indeed, the cart is the private jet of its time. Aina was drawn in the same, as we've earlier encountered her personality. The purpose of the tribal mark was to "impress" cart on the consciousness of the Yoruba psyche when they no longer have it, so that the bearer can be accorded due respect as a princeling.

It does not intend to immortalize cart per se, but to depict opulence that "baba mi l'eshinle kan" sort of. That simply implies that the original tribal mark of the Yoruba was meant to depict cart, (or opulence) and gradually it began to depict what we may not also know for now.

There are intangible things that the ancient Yoruba have telling of their origin, one of them is the concept of the tribal mark and we may have just come to the root of it.

Next, we'll consider "abaja" as property of oku, and not of omo oloku.

That finds expression in what Olu often claim as Yoruba being Coptic Christians.

However I think it's an instance when Christ spoke the mind of the Yoruba.

Aja is Yoruba for a story building, in a situation where 'abaja lorun' is the property of oku, it simply means that the Yoruba alloted a mansion to the dead in heaven.

Like Christ had said, "in my father's house there were many mansions..."

The Yoruba thought system depicted here is in harmony with this thought. How that came to be should be interesting. Was this an happenstance?

Let's consider the third stretch of the entry in question: Ajalorun. That should be later, not now.

absoluteSuccess:


Very candid observations. All that macof is here to do has come to the open, he wants to "debrief the Yoruba" on hold to her tradition, which makes her stand apart from what the linguists want us to belief, as Yoruba tradition is a mystery that could possibly upset the apple pie order that is coming over us as a people, where our oral tradition will no longer amount to anything in the telling of our history.

In this scheme of things, we are being reduced to spectators and meant to spend to obtain a degree in history (to be further confused and speak whats not as proper history) before we could ever open our mouth in the assembly of people to tell a history about our origin, its the taking over of "the university" in "modernized" history telling. Whatever does not respect tradition is a deviation.

This is the man weeping over my accuracy in interpreting whatever he meant by green sahara, and was sharing banter with co-bantu about the Yoruba Oriki tradition, he could mock the veracity of oriki as a valid testament of history but his word, a figment of his imagination must be robed in royal mystery because kato seju pe nisin, a gbe precision machine were kan jade again pe story oun lo accurate.

Bloody clown
Linguistics and historians are wrong despite the evidence
But a Jobless frat like yourself who has been debunked time and time again is correct. You have failed to make a superior argument yet wish to be accorded superior respect

I have never mocked any oriki. I mocked your interpretation of it as an obsessed attempt to link Yoruba to Hebrews. Nothing in the Eletu Iwase oriki connects the family to Hebrews
What's more you try to apply the oriki of a single family to the origin of all Yoruba. How dumb is that
Even members of the Eletu Iwase and Eletu Odibo families in Lagos who have the "ọmọ odiyan" in their oriki have never claimed to be from Israel or Jordan or anywhere in the middle East but some frat wants to use their oriki to say something that isn't there